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Kunming Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.09.25 07:28:00 - [31] Originally by: LUKEC 2x 125mm t2, 2x std mwd II, 20km scram small rep, pdu, mapc, nano/cap relay Requires some skills to fly but can pwn lots of inties. However you can pwn even better with gistii missile crow. WIN! You can modify this setup abit by fitting another MAPC and 150mms, increases volley dmg and allows for better dog fighting (fly-bys).. Ares can take out both amarr ceptors, and be quite a challange for the crow, but minnie inties with arties will pwn the **** out of it..
jamesw Omniscient Order	Posted - 2006.09.25 07:29:00 - [32] Edited by: jamesw on 25/09/2006 07:30:18 Well i have crappy missile skills, so i run the following: 2 x light electron II, 2 x small nos t1 named mwd, 7.5km small rep II, EANM II, Damage Control, MAPC its not really an inty duelling machine, but makes a nice tackler and cruiser/AF killer. You gotta pick your fights a bit though - some AF's own it, others it owns. -- NEW Vid: Domi For the Win!
Rahvin Damodred The White Star Consortium	Posted - 2006.12.03 13:48:00 - [33] The WTF? Interceptor, poor man's choice Ahhh interceptors. the tacklers ship of choice. Lots of nice ships in this class, Malediction, Stiletto, Crow, Taranis etc.. and then ofcourse there is the Ares, the WTF? pilots ship of choice, because no one in his right mind pilots an Ares, right? Well that is partially correct. It's a Gallente Ship afterall, so when you specialise in gallente ships to lv5 to fly the Tech2 versions you most likely also focus Drones, Blasters and all that 'gallente' nifty stuff. And then you get offered an Ares, wtf? Of all the gallente ships this one is the most un-gallente, you wonder why it's even classified as gallente. I mean c'mon , a Caldari bonus to missile damage? not even a drone bay, even the Velator noobship has a dronebay? the speed of a Minmatar? the slot layout 4-2-4 of the Amarr? What were the designers smoking at the time and can i have some of that stuff? Well lets look at the strong points, if there are any. Bad and Ugly called in sick , so just the Good - Since most gallente pilots dont know what to make of this flying piece of junk and go for the cookiecutter drone/blaster Taranis, and since most missile pilots go for the cookiecutter Crow, this ship has one advantage over most others. Nobody buys one, you practilly have to give additional money away to the buyer to sell this ship. It is low down dirty cheap, so cheap that you can have 8 Ares ships for the price of 1 Crow. - It is fast. in terms of basic speed it's even faster the minmatar Stiletto, with the amarr style 4 lowslots you can add 4 overdrive injectors to it and travel at ludicrious speed. Together with the Claw the Ares is probably the only interceptor that can be made fast enough to catch and tackle a Vagabond. - It has a tracking bonus of 7.5% per frigate level wich means by the time you pilot this bird you start of with the max of 37,5% tracking bonus. So what does that mean? Well missiles are the inty pilots weapon of choice and for a good reason: no tracking. An interceptor with MWD goes so fast, it's often to fast for it's own tracking. An inty without the tracking bonus and turrets will have to resort to high tracking short range weapons to actually hit something, wich brings him right into the deadly NOS and Webber range. A ranged interceptor with Railguns cannot hit the broad side of a barn without the tracking bonus. A small railgun has even worse tracking then a medium blaster. - It has a damage bonus to Heat missiles. probably the best damage bonus in the game since overall (shield + armor) Heat is the weakest resist on most ships. (except on some AFs and HACs) So to sum it up , the Ares is cheap, it's fast, it's cheap, and can stay at range while still hit something, it's cheap, and do some damage, and it's cheap. Not such a bad ship afterall ey
Rahvin Damodred The White Star Consortium	Posted - 2006.12.03 13:53:00 - [34] Speed, Speed, and more Speed. Did i mention Speed yet? It's all about the speed when it comes to an interceptors defence. Web is deadly, NOS is deadly. so you have to pick your targets wisely. If you manage to evade the web and nos there are only 2 things that can damage the Ares. - Most ships, even other Interceptors lack the speed to catch it. - Long range turrets cannot track it. - Short range turrets lack the range to hit it. - Torpedoes and Cruise missiles dont go fast enough to hit it. - Heavy missiles don't have the Explosion Velocity to damage it. - Sentry drones dont have the tracking to hit it. - Heavy/Medium and most Light Scout Drones dont have the speed to catch it - Rockets dont have the range to hit it. Wich leaves 2 things, Light Missiles and Warrior II drones (wich fly at 5500m/s) that can actually make a dent in this ship. If you are using MWD and not get webbed all the rest can be evaded. Flying this ship your nemesis is a light missile throwing Harpy and a t2 drone using Ishkur (both with uber heat resists), a Heavy (20km) NOS from a battleship and some Force Recon ships with a range bonus to webbers. You will eat t1 frigates like Incursus and t1 Cruisers like Caracal for breakfast. The Fitting Mechanic's Advice You only need 1 module on this ship , a Microwarp Drive If you are going for a Blockade Runner add 4 Overdrive Injectors If you are going for tackling add a 20km named scrambler in the 2nd midlsot. If you are going to actually fight something you need to fit 2x Railgun and 2x Standard Missile Launcher in the highslots and Micro Auxiliary Power Core in a low slot for the powergrid. If you find it is no longer cap stable with MWD, Scrambler and Railguns running 24/7 start adding Capacitor Power Relays until it is. If you have a lowslot left over and dont know what to do with it, an Energized Reactive Plating against explosive damage is a good choice. For ammo, Flamburst missiles with Piranha and Bloodclaws in the cargo, Lead and Iridium ammo are decent to stay in 15-20km railgun range for 125mm's and 150mm's and have a bonus to cap use. When you're using 75mm gatling rails you may want to look to Iron ammo for the range, the DPS will be pitifull though but then again there is no wtfpwnmobile in the game that is good at everything now is there? Forget about tech II ammo , that is just not working for an Ares. T2 missiles give a serious speed penalty and T2 railgun ammo gives a serious tracking penalty. Forget about repairers, plates , shieldboosters and all that. if you are getting hit at all in this ship you are not doing something right and no amount of tank in the world is going to save you. Interceptors, like most frigates are crappy when it comes to CPU, PG and Cap so you have the find the right balance between T2 modules, Named modules and standard modules to make it all fit and work good with your skills. Don't go overboard on the T2 and best named modules, insurance doesn't cover it, and we want to keep this cheap and expendable. When an Ares pilot gets blown up he should go like: "So what? i have 10 more fitted and ready to fly in my hangar"
Ishquar Teh'Sainte Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.12.03 13:54:00 - [35] Originally by: Rahvin Damodred It is low down dirty cheap, so cheap that you can have 8 Ares ships for the price of 1 Crow. WTF?? now i want to know where are you buying your ares ___________________ EVE: Revelations - The Game for Carebears and Gankbears no more skill needed for PvP - only skillpoints for Large Bubble and CovOps n00b-alts
Rahvin Damodred The White Star Consortium	Posted - 2006.12.03 14:00:00 - [36] A friendly word from the Skill Guru There is a difference between flying a ship and flying a ship well , this holds true for every ship. The reason the Ares is not popular and thus cheap is the fact that 95% of the pilots with Gallente Frigate 5 have crappy missile skills but good drone and gunnery skills instead, and the fact that 95% of the pilots with good missile skills do not have Gallente Frigate 5 but caldari or minmatar frigate 5 instead. To fly the Ares well you need both good gunnery and missile skills wich is not a common match for pilots of gallente ships. gunnery skills that increase tracking and lowers cap use, missile skills that increase ROF and damage are mandatory and in addition to that the skill Propulsion Jamming 5 to lower the cap use on the scrambler. On top of that there are the skills you should always have before even flying a T2 combat ship. All the skills for powergrid, cpu, max cap, cap recharge, shield hitpoints, shield recharge, armor hitpoints, hull hitpoints, ship speed, ship agility, targetting speed, targetting range should all be lv4 and lv5 , if not all lv5. Conclusion The Ares is the poor man's choice. it's not so bad at all as others sometimes believe it to be. Its a gallente ship with missiles and no dronebay wich makes it such an oddball and probably not worthwhile in the longrun to skill up for it. But for pilots with a low budget and the right 'omfgbbqweareallgonnadiescreaminglikepigswhilehavingablastandlaughoursocksoff' attitude, it's the perfect ship out there.
Rahvin Damodred The White Star Consortium	Posted - 2006.12.03 14:09:00 - [37] Edited by: Rahvin Damodred on 03/12/2006 14:13:15 Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte WTF?? now i want to know where are you buying your ares I know prices fluctuate on supply and demand. When i went Inty shopping in Jita shivers 2 weeks ago i bought my Ares for 3,5 mil , while most Crows were in the 25-32 mil price range on the market there. And a caldari corpmate of mine , running lv4 missions shivers even more gets offered Ares ships occasionaly for some loyality points.
Velsharoon Gallente Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.12.03 14:27:00 - [38] Listen to Rahvin.
Zephirz Blood Inquisition Sani Khal'Vecna	Posted - 2006.12.03 15:52:00 - [39] highs: 2 x 125mm rails 2 x arby standard launcher meds: 1 x Catalyzed cold gas mwd/t2 mwd 1 x 20km disruptor lows: 1 x mapc(not sure if you need it.. maybe even named) 3 x nanofibers goes like 4km/s and decent range.. sortoff like a cheap crow i suppose. zephirz
Ishquar Teh'Sainte Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.12.03 18:54:00 - [40] Originally by: Rahvin Damodred I know prices fluctuate on supply and demand. When i went Inty shopping in Jita shivers 2 weeks ago i bought my Ares for 3,5 mil , while most Crows were in the 25-32 mil price range on the market there. 3.5mio ... ok .. i suck in market PvP ___________________ EVE: Revelations - The Game for Carebears and Gankbears no more skill needed for PvP - only skillpoints for Large Bubble and CovOps n00b-alts
Tal'dara Ivec Gallente Aurum Technologies Limited Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2006.12.13 19:00:00 - [41] Edited by: Tal''dara Ivec on 13/12/2006 19:01:15 Question - I noticed most setups use MWD. Does the huge max speed bonus you get from this prove more effective than fitting a T2 AB? The 500% sig radius penalty to MWD would put this ship's sig radius up around that of a cruiser I think. Also, I am going to be using mine strictly as a disposable, yet hopefully somewhat useful tackler for gate camps. Does the fact that you can't fit a webber plus a scram severely limit its tackling ability?
Zephirz Blood Inquisition Sani Khal'Vecna	Posted - 2007.01.10 20:54:00 - [42] Speed is your only defence in this ship. It doesnt have the pg to mount decent defensive and offensive weapons, so youll have to choose. And since its a combat ship... A t2 ab wont make you fast enough to outrun drones/missiles/other inties... In other words. ur dead. Mwd is neccesary and this ship could really use a small boost to cap recharge rate :\ zephirz
Isonkon Serikain Gallente Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.11 00:34:00 - [43] Have you seen the structure on that ship? If its grid wasn't so friggin weak, you could make a decent close range setup... Pity the fool
Andargor theWise Disbelievers of Fate The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2007.01.11 01:13:00 - [44] Edited by: Andargor theWise on 11/01/2007 01:10:21 I have an ares that has survived 19 shooting encounters, a record for me... I've grown to like this ship. I use t2 blasters/rockets, mwd+disruptor, small rep+DC+something else (mag stabs? can't recall). It's not a dueling setup, but a small gang or fleet tackler/scout. I just need to survive long enough for the rest to kill the target. The blasters+rockets give me the punch I need vs t2 light drones sent against me while I'm tackling. MWD is set to manual, I pulse them to target, then turn off. The small tank has saved this ship many times, and if I died, the target would have escaped. And yes, never fit AB on an inty... - Got grief? Revelations MySQL Database
Paull90 FACTA NON VERBA Kurai Komichi	Posted - 2007.01.14 16:22:00 - [45] I usually fly a Taranis as it is more suited to my Gallente skills however I have been considering using these as a cheap tackler. After read what everyone had to say and playing with this on Quickfit I have come to the conclusion that this would be the best setup. 2x 125mm Railgun II (using Lead ammo) 2x Arbalest Standard Missile Launcher (using Flameburst missiles) 1x Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters 1x Fleeting Warp Scrambler I 1x Energized Reactive Membrane II 1x Pseudoelectron Containment Field I 1x Local Hull Conversion Nanofiber Structure I 1x Micro Auxilary Power Core I This based on my current skills gives me ok damage at just under 20km. Decent speed and agility + 65%, 57%, 52% & 43% on my resistances. Finally the DC takes advantage of the good structure on the Ares which could be the difference in living or dying if you are taking hits. Its better to burn out than to fade away!!!!
Zephirz Blood Inquisition Sani Khal'Vecna	Posted - 2007.01.14 16:55:00 - [46] Edited by: Zephirz on 14/01/2007 16:51:49 What speeds do you get with that? I wonder if a gistii Ares can outperform a gistii crow. When chasing eachother missiles dont hit but rails can still hit... A gistii ares should be going as fast or even faster than a crow... Edit: Some rich bastard should try this really :P would love to see a dogfight between ares and crow at 20km/s+ XD zephirz
Reticenti Gallente Earned In Blood	Posted - 2007.01.23 05:50:00 - [47] Edited by: Reticenti on 23/01/2007 05:48:05 The ares is confusing, I can't even run just a MWD and the disruptor permanently i have 3 CPR and the two general cap skills to lv 4 have any suggestions? --------------------
Axitikus Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2007.01.23 06:08:00 - [48] propulsion jamming lvl V. ~When I can use Drones as Blaster ammo, then I'll be truly happy~
Minigin Caldari Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.01.27 06:13:00 - [49] ares is a fun little ship. i like to use it as a tackler for a small gang. 2 arb rocket launchers, 1 nos (fit 2 if you can - i cant) best mwd you can afford to lose, 20km scram heres where i have lots of opinions... you can go with som signal amps, cap power relays even try fit some sort of a tank if yo uwant... but i really like to use it just to hold ppl there till others get points then i warp out then back in to avoid death >_> lol
Uncle Samm	Posted - 2007.02.25 23:23:00 - [50] I can see two big problems with the Ares right from the start. First is the dual weapons type. Specialization is the key to getting good in eve. There simply isn't enough time to learn everything. I'm gallente and though missiles are nice i don't want to waste time training them since only a few gallente ships can use them. The second problem is the med slots. The ares is fast so it can dictate the range of engagement with most inty's right, wrong. One med slot is automatically fitted with ab or MWD. Now you are left with one slot, what do you do? If you equip a scram then the opponent inty has you webbed and he is now much faster. If you equip a web then your opponent can warp at will. The Ares wouldn't be so bad in a gang but I don't want to fly any frigate that can't fit the (AB or MWD)/Scram/Web combo.
Morrigu Storm	Posted - 2007.02.25 23:53:00 - [51] 2 75mm T2, 2 T2 standard Launchers. T2 1 MN MWD, named Disruptor (haven't tried a T2 yet not sure if it fits even) MAPU, 2 Cap relays, SAR T2. Can run the MWD and disruptor pretty much nonstop. The T2 might take too much cap or not even fit but I will use one if it is viable. With decent missile skills which I trained just to use this ship and the 75mm rails with spike I'm pretty happy to take most other inti's on. But it's a great tackler which is why I like it.
Car Wars adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.26 00:31:00 - [52] Originally by: Zephirz Edited by: Zephirz on 14/01/2007 16:51:49 What speeds do you get with that? I wonder if a gistii Ares can outperform a gistii crow. When chasing eachother missiles dont hit but rails can still hit... A gistii ares should be going as fast or even faster than a crow... Edit: Some rich bastard should try this really :P would love to see a dogfight between ares and crow at 20km/s+ XD my ares does, 2007.02.25 23:47:39 Notify Speed changed to 10690 m/s. still need to plug in a snake implant and a snake hardwire, got the other 4 low grades. Fitting: high: 2x arbalest standard missile launchers med: gistii mwd, warp disruptor II low: 3x local i-stab, 1 domination overdrive rigs: 2x propellant injection vent I Camp runner, scout, sniper BS catcher, not ment to keep a scramble for long nor do dps in this setup Will alter it to include 2x 125 II guns and use one low for a mapc when i get the last two snakes plugged in. For now its all about speed. disclaimer: this setup is stupidly expensive, i know, makes pvp that much fun when people dont have time to warp out at 200km
Athren Shade	Posted - 2007.03.17 20:44:00 - [53] You guys using the 125mm rails, what range do you orbit at/what are your tracking skills that you are able to hit? Im trying this fit and I cant hit the broad side of a barn.
Frozen Light Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.06.04 07:57:00 - [54] 2x 75mm T2, 2x Missile launcher T2 Catalyzed MWD, 24km scram 2x Overdrive T2, Nano T2, CPR T2 Sucky ceptor skills and "speed" skills, and still this is efective enough in its job :) Originally by: Pepperami Syndicate, Great Wildlands, Geminate.. We're actually working round the map so we can introduce our new slogan "Crap Region, we'll take it".
IamBen Caldari Twilight Void	Posted - 2007.06.04 09:54:00 - [55] ares is a great ship for the price. Its not as good as a crow or taranis but it can get the job done for alot less money. sometimes using 2x75 and 2standard t2 I think is the way to go on this ship because when orbiting super fast the tracking can be hard on 125's. Should be speed/cprs in the low slots and maybe a tracking enhancer to help your rails hit. However in reality, it should be your missles doing most of the damage.
Frozen Light Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.06.04 11:49:00 - [56] Tracking is not problem with 75mm. And ares is easy to make fast (4 low slots) aka "cheap". With rigs it can be extremely fast, but using only named t1 its fast enough for most of the peeps. Originally by: Pepperami Syndicate, Great Wildlands, Geminate.. We're actually working round the map so we can introduce our new slogan "Crap Region, we'll take it".
Winter Nuclear Exiled.	Posted - 2007.06.04 12:53:00 - [57] I feel more comfortable with fitting blasters + rockets on the ares, rather than the taranis. It has dencent speed, therefore no web. It has the lows to fit a damage mod for either guns or launchers and still have the standerd SAR + DCU kit. And it's considerably cheaper. ---
Ashaz Mindstar Technology United Confederation of Corporations	Posted - 2007.06.08 09:44:00 - [58] Originally by: Tal'dara Ivec Edited by: Tal''dara Ivec on 13/12/2006 19:01:15 Question - I noticed most setups use MWD. Does the huge max speed bonus you get from this prove more effective than fitting a T2 AB? The 500% sig radius penalty to MWD would put this ship's sig radius up around that of a cruiser I think. Also, I am going to be using mine strictly as a disposable, yet hopefully somewhat useful tackler for gate camps. Does the fact that you can't fit a webber plus a scram severely limit its tackling ability? This is not a ship for webbers. scram and mwd. I tried the AB setup. sure turrets won't hit you, but missiles and drones will eat you alive. Go mwd. even a simple t1 mwd will keep you alive alot better then even a gistii-A-type AB. speed speed and more speed. And as many CRPs as you need to keep the scram running. iDrone
Kua Immortal RSP Enterprises	Posted - 2007.06.09 11:16:00 - [59] Originally by: Velsharoon Listen to Rahvin. I have, I am and I will . Solid advice. But... the thing is, if you want to speed tank warrior IIs and light missiles, you need to pimp it. And you need to speed tank them because... well they will pop you :P.
Rogan Sarl M. Corp M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.08.13 09:48:00 - [60] I use mine for speed, goes +6k just with some random speed mods in low and t2 mwd and 20k range scram. +2 rails I see this role as a fast lockdown and then either die or live:) R

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