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Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.01.02 17:26:00 -
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Most of it is still Sparsed over many Pod Pilots Ownerships but it can be transferred before transaction.
What I am now trying to find is information on the available opportunities out there.
I am willing to pay to get the info and to take the time to review it and come up with an offer.
Can you please give me a link or a post, or EVE mail me any contact info?
I also accept other references from which I could communicate with you...
Thank you for your time. |

Ave Kathrina
My Ass Is On Fire
142
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Posted - 2014.01.03 02:18:00 -
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No need to thank us until you put a bit more effort into explaining what it actually is you're looking for ?
I've done some really stupid **** in this game. |

Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.01.03 15:41:00 -
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Ave Kathrina wrote:No need to thank us until you put a bit more effort into explaining what it actually is you're looking for ?
... Offered as Collateral or Trade. .. for :
1. Trade (with the usual or specific percentage, or delivery clauses and terms).
or
2. Loan (as I already know others are offering ingame items assets as collateral for loans).
Excuse me for the redundancy in the definition of the Thread title but since it is expandable on... Here are more security in relation to the thread title, the subject matter, and their related clauses.
I can add more as appropriate, required, or if the opportunity arise and exists.
Please keep in mind that I also like and appreciate to have or calculate the "rate of return on my investment" as well. |

Anders Madeveda
Sturmgrenadier Inc
5
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Posted - 2014.01.05 17:46:00 -
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Oiras Isimazu wrote:Ave Kathrina wrote:No need to thank us until you put a bit more effort into explaining what it actually is you're looking for ?
... Offered as Collateral or Trade. .. for : 1. Trade (with the usual or specific percentage, or delivery clauses and terms). or 2. Loan (as I already know others are offering ingame items assets as collateral for loans). Excuse me for the redundancy in the definition of the Thread title but since it is expandable on... Here are more security in relation to the thread title, the subject matter, and their related clauses. I can add more as appropriate, required, or if the opportunity arise and exists. Please keep in mind that I also like and appreciate to have or calculate the "rate of return on my investment" as well. I, of course, have APIs available and offer other procedures to achieve this goal or objectives. I also plan to start accomplishing the practical aspect of the terms completion in around February 2014 or after.
I am still unclear as to what you are wanting, I'm sure its a language translation issue but are you asking for a loan and offering items as collateral? Or are you looking to trade your items for other items? If you are looking for a loan please respond with how much, the purpose and terms you are offering. If looking to trade please list what you have and what you want.
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Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.01.05 18:03:00 -
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Anders Madeveda wrote: I am still unclear as to what you are wanting, I'm sure its a language translation issue but are you asking for a loan and offering items as collateral? Or are you looking to trade your items for other items? If you are looking for a loan please respond with how much, the purpose and terms you are offering. If looking to trade please list what you have and what you want.
A language issue says who?
If you are unclear, I rather deal with parties that are more clear.
When in doubt, don't.
1. It is clear that I offered items as Collateral for a Loan the amount of which loan has to be of lesser value. The purpose is to get ingame ISK and terms are that the lenders keeps the collateral if repayment terms defaults. We'd have to make arrangement on the terms of repayment, whether 1 month or more and interests schedules. (I would prefer to deal with this privately than to list what I have and what I want in this channel.) I can also offer transport depending on my transports costs.
2. As for Trade, I would prefer to deal with this privately than to list what I have and what I want in this channel. I offered API to be able to verify that. I can also offer transport depending on my transports costs. |

Wafflehead
Hurricane Research
66
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Posted - 2014.01.05 18:53:00 -
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Oiras Isimazu wrote:Anders Madeveda wrote: I am still unclear as to what you are wanting, I'm sure its a language translation issue but are you asking for a loan and offering items as collateral? Or are you looking to trade your items for other items? If you are looking for a loan please respond with how much, the purpose and terms you are offering. If looking to trade please list what you have and what you want.
A language issue says who? If you are unclear, I rather deal with parties that are more clear. When in doubt, don't. 1. It is clear that I offered items as Collateral for a Loan the amount of which loan has to be of lesser value. The purpose is to get ingame ISK and terms are that the lenders keeps the collateral if repayment terms defaults. We'd have to make arrangement on the terms of repayment, whether 1 month or more and interests schedules. (I would prefer to deal with this privately than to list what I have and what I want in this channel.) I can also offer transport depending on my transports costs. 2. As for Trade, I would prefer to deal with this privately than to list what I have and what I want in this channel. I offered API to be able to verify that. I can also offer transport depending on my transports costs.
Your original post is unclear.
If its a loan.. It is unclear the exact value/size of the loan It is unclear the exact terms of the loan (Duration, % Interest, Terms). It is unclear the exact details of the collateral (Amount, Items? Ships?). You are suppose to list the details of the loan so that potential investors can choose if they wish to invest.
If its a trade.. Then it belongs in Sell Orders and not Market Discussions. |

Ficti0n
Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition
1
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Posted - 2014.01.05 23:31:00 -
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This doesn't make sense. I have no idea what you're after/saying. |

Ty Frisco
Manson Family Advent of Fate
4
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Posted - 2014.01.06 02:42:00 -
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I think he's asking how collateral is done. Does the borrower trade items for isk, to the lender, or is the "loan" from the contract system used. I don't think he's asking specifics.
Sorry, I don't have an answer for your question Oiras. |

Anders Madeveda
Sturmgrenadier Inc
7
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Posted - 2014.01.06 05:05:00 -
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Oiras Isimazu wrote:Anders Madeveda wrote: I am still unclear as to what you are wanting, I'm sure its a language translation issue but are you asking for a loan and offering items as collateral? Or are you looking to trade your items for other items? If you are looking for a loan please respond with how much, the purpose and terms you are offering. If looking to trade please list what you have and what you want.
A language issue says who? If you are unclear, I rather deal with parties that are more clear. When in doubt, don't. 1. It is clear that I offered items as Collateral for a Loan the amount of which loan has to be of lesser value. The purpose is to get ingame ISK and terms are that the lenders keeps the collateral if repayment terms defaults. We'd have to make arrangement on the terms of repayment, whether 1 month or more and interests schedules. (I would prefer to deal with this privately than to list what I have and what I want in this channel.) I can also offer transport depending on my transports costs. 2. As for Trade, I would prefer to deal with this privately than to list what I have and what I want in this channel. I offered API to be able to verify that. I can also offer transport depending on my transports costs.
Apparently you find it offensive that not a single person on this post understands what your wanting so I will give an example of the typical loan request....
Loan Requester (You): "I am seeking a secured loan for X,XXX,XXX,XXXisk, I have collateral valued at Y,YYY,YYY,YYY (typically 110% of the Jita Buy price of the items), I will need the loan for "Z" Months and I am willing to pay X% Interest., the collateral I am providing is _____________________________."
Regarding your request to deal with the exact nature of the collateral privately will just slow up your process, no lender wants to have to talk to you to find out you are offering BPC's or some other intangibly worthless item. Post here what you are willing to offer as collateral so the prospective lenders can see if you even pass the sniff test of viability. Other examples abound just read the vast majority of other loan request posts and you will see the way it is done.
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Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.01.06 15:56:00 -
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Also, keep in mind that it is possible for my negotiation costs and efforts to negotiate to raise.
That it will be less worthwhile for me to seek transaction if those costs are above my margin of profit.
That it will be more efficient to either avoid negotiating, transacting, or even getting referrals for that.
I didn't have the time to read everything yet. It is however obvious to me that I already have overdone the offer due to time. It is also obvious that no-one who replied is interested except in getting more details they want.
I might have a better offer in 3 to 6 months, then if not, 6 to 12 months. |

flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans
1961
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Posted - 2014.01.06 16:22:00 -
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Oiras Isimazu wrote:Also, keep in mind that it is possible for my negotiation costs and efforts to negotiate to raise.
That it will be less worthwhile for me to seek transaction if those costs are above my margin of profit.
That it will be more efficient to either avoid negotiating, transacting, or even getting referrals for that.
I didn't have the time to read everything yet. It is however obvious to me that I already have overdone the offer due to time. It is also obvious that no-one who replied is interested except in getting more details they want.
I might have a better offer in 3 to 6 months, then if not, 6 to 12 months.
It is also Obvious that YOUR OFFERING IS TOTALLY UNCLEAR . Change the Original Post as many have suggested and you might get Lucky .
In some verry freaky odd way the more you type to ''clear things up'' the bigger of a mess it turns in to.
Smoke less read more is the tip of the day.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.01.06 16:31:00 -
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flakeys wrote:Oiras Isimazu wrote:Also, keep in mind that it is possible for my negotiation costs and efforts to negotiate to raise.
That it will be less worthwhile for me to seek transaction if those costs are above my margin of profit.
That it will be more efficient to either avoid negotiating, transacting, or even getting referrals for that.
I didn't have the time to read everything yet. It is however obvious to me that I already have overdone the offer due to time. It is also obvious that no-one who replied is interested except in getting more details they want.
I might have a better offer in 3 to 6 months, then if not, 6 to 12 months. It is also Obvious that YOUR OFFERING IS TOTALLY UNCLEAR . Change the Original Post as many have suggested and you might get Lucky . In some verry freaky odd way the more you type to ''clear things up'' the bigger of a mess it turns in to. Smoke less read more is the tip of the day. I really don't smoke, neither does my character.
btw, you can verify your post time with the edit times above, and I was including your reference. |

Godfrey Izaaks
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.01.06 17:17:00 -
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I will take you up on your offer. Contract me your collateral and I will send the isk for your loan. |

Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.01.06 17:19:00 -
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Godfrey Izaaks wrote:I will take you up on your offer. Contract me your collateral and I will send the isk for your loan. I should be ingame shortly... |

Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
143
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Posted - 2014.01.06 21:34:00 -
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Oiras Isimazu wrote:Godfrey Izaaks wrote:I will take you up on your offer. Contract me your collateral and I will send the isk for your loan. I should be ingame shortly...
Make sure you're not giving your stuff away, ask for ISK in the contract . .
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Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.01.06 22:12:00 -
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Elizabeth Norn wrote:Oiras Isimazu wrote:Godfrey Izaaks wrote:I will take you up on your offer. Contract me your collateral and I will send the isk for your loan. I should be ingame shortly... Make sure you're not giving your stuff away, ask for ISK in the contract  . Sorry , but I won't and I won't contract it. I was just overcharged $45 from a bank for absolutely nothing. |

Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
143
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Posted - 2014.01.06 23:14:00 -
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Oiras Isimazu wrote:Elizabeth Norn wrote:Oiras Isimazu wrote:Godfrey Izaaks wrote:I will take you up on your offer. Contract me your collateral and I will send the isk for your loan. I should be ingame shortly... Make sure you're not giving your stuff away, ask for ISK in the contract  . Sorry , but I won't and I won't contract it. I was just overcharged $45 from a bank for absolutely nothing.
This deserves an extra helping of   . .
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Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.01.06 23:30:00 -
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Elizabeth Norn wrote:This deserves an extra helping of    . I don't know but if it's worth more for me not to do transactions that way then I won't. Simple as that.
I'm glad I asked and that it helped me to detect the fraud. |

Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.01.07 23:48:00 -
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Oiras Isimazu wrote:Sorry , but I won't and I won't contract it. I was just overcharged $45 from a bank for absolutely nothing.
Elizabeth Norn wrote:This deserves an extra helping of    . Luckily enough , not due to my exceptional skills +/- $43 , the charges were reversed (or so it says). Which means that I might be able to contract the loan and not require the previous 1.8 b profit. |

flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans
1962
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Posted - 2014.01.08 13:32:00 -
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Ooooowk ..... 
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
545
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Posted - 2014.01.08 15:16:00 -
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flakeys wrote:Oiras Isimazu wrote:Also, keep in mind that it is possible for my negotiation costs and efforts to negotiate to raise.
That it will be less worthwhile for me to seek transaction if those costs are above my margin of profit.
That it will be more efficient to either avoid negotiating, transacting, or even getting referrals for that.
I didn't have the time to read everything yet. It is however obvious to me that I already have overdone the offer due to time. It is also obvious that no-one who replied is interested except in getting more details they want.
I might have a better offer in 3 to 6 months, then if not, 6 to 12 months. It is also Obvious that YOUR OFFERING IS TOTALLY UNCLEAR . Change the Original Post as many have suggested and you might get Lucky . In some verry freaky odd way the more you type to ''clear things up'' the bigger of a mess it turns in to. Smoke less read more is the tip of the day.
so lesson of the day is MD is the place to troll as people are unprepared for it. here is a list of all the fiat currencies that didn't end up at zero value.....and here is a list of the places where a currency pegged to a real commodity has successfully co-existed with compound interest....-á Here is a physics professor explaining why sustainable growth isn't a thing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY |

Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.01.08 15:50:00 -
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Silvetica Dian wrote:so lesson of the day is MD is the place to troll as people are unprepared for it. FORUM RULES
5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote. |

flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans
1963
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Posted - 2014.01.08 16:14:00 -
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Silvetica Dian wrote:flakeys wrote:Oiras Isimazu wrote:Also, keep in mind that it is possible for my negotiation costs and efforts to negotiate to raise.
That it will be less worthwhile for me to seek transaction if those costs are above my margin of profit.
That it will be more efficient to either avoid negotiating, transacting, or even getting referrals for that.
I didn't have the time to read everything yet. It is however obvious to me that I already have overdone the offer due to time. It is also obvious that no-one who replied is interested except in getting more details they want.
I might have a better offer in 3 to 6 months, then if not, 6 to 12 months. It is also Obvious that YOUR OFFERING IS TOTALLY UNCLEAR . Change the Original Post as many have suggested and you might get Lucky . In some verry freaky odd way the more you type to ''clear things up'' the bigger of a mess it turns in to. Smoke less read more is the tip of the day. so lesson of the day is MD is the place to troll as people are unprepared for it.
Indeed i was unprepared for it ...
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Kendra Coldera
Ripoff Industries
6
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Posted - 2014.01.08 17:18:00 -
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Out of interest? How does one come up with so much gibberish language?
Translate it back and forth via google translator was my first idea but it still looks too senseful (yeah I know, thats a hard thing to say about those texts). |

Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
545
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Posted - 2014.01.08 17:57:00 -
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Kendra Coldera wrote:Out of interest? How does one come up with so much gibberish language?
Translate it back and forth via google translator was my first idea but it still looks too senseful (yeah I know, thats a hard thing to say about those texts).
Most specialised professions as well as netspeak and games like eve generate new jargon based language that increases information carrying capacity amongst the insider group while shielding meaning from outsiders (see medicine /economics /law). if you mix jargon from economics and eve jargon and then miss out all the contextual information you get the OP and subsequent posts. The two explanations are troll or an idiot who thinks he is clever and hasn't any idea how far that is from the truth. As OP found the MD forum i assumed the former. If anyone has any more differentials i would be glad to hear them. here is a list of all the fiat currencies that didn't end up at zero value.....and here is a list of the places where a currency pegged to a real commodity has successfully co-existed with compound interest....-á Here is a physics professor explaining why sustainable growth isn't a thing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY |

Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.01.08 21:00:00 -
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Either way, in a EVE Trader perspective, I offered to accept quotes on 2b worth of assets as Collateral (or trade). And yes it was with intentions to contract a loan which could be worthwhile to both parties.
If you are only interested in the kind of healthy competition in which only one party gains, move along. I am definitely looking for the kind of healthy competition in which both party gains.
It is not intended to be dealing with conflicts of law, medical competition relative to health speculation.
There was and is no rush on this, and most likely is either for March 2014 or after as intended time-period.
There will be and that should be plenty of time not to jump to too early conclusion.
If that amount is too low to be of a pertinent value to the forum channel give me the proof. I will then try to fix the matter the best I can.
If it is based on speculation without factual information to prove the judgement, it would be made up. |

flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans
1963
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Posted - 2014.01.08 21:06:00 -
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Silvetica Dian wrote:Kendra Coldera wrote:Out of interest? How does one come up with so much gibberish language?
Translate it back and forth via google translator was my first idea but it still looks too senseful (yeah I know, thats a hard thing to say about those texts). Most specialised professions as well as netspeak and games like eve generate new jargon based language that increases information carrying capacity amongst the insider group while shielding meaning from outsiders (see medicine /economics /law). if you mix jargon from economics and eve jargon and then miss out all the contextual information you get the OP and subsequent posts. The two explanations are troll or an idiot who thinks he is clever and hasn't any idea how far that is from the truth. As OP found the MD forum i assumed the former. If anyone has any more differentials i would be glad to hear them.
'Wichever of the 2 it is , it's killing me from the inside when reading his posts .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Brock Nelson
631
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Posted - 2014.01.09 03:53:00 -
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I'm so ******* high Signature removed, CCP Phantom |

Bi-Mi Lansatha
RillaCorp The Kadeshi
280
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Posted - 2014.01.09 10:10:00 -
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Oiras Isimazu wrote:...It is also obvious that no-one who replied is interested except in getting more details they want.... Every legitimate lender is going to want more details.
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Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.01.09 16:32:00 -
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Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:Oiras Isimazu wrote:...It is also obvious that no-one who replied is interested except in getting more details they want.... Every legitimate lender is going to want more details. Quote: "1. What I am now trying to find is information on the available opportunities out there.
2. I am willing to pay to get the info and to take the time to review it and come up with an offer.
3. Can you please give me a link or a post, or EVE mail me any contact info?
4. I also accept other references from which I could communicate with you..."
Related to the physical assets themselves being Sparsed over many Pod Pilots, I suggested to transfer them of pilot before.
Related to 1. above: I will list some opportunities I found in this channel, since no one linked any here. See below...
Related to 2. above: If no one is willing to get paid to give me any relevant or pertinent info, I could waive that payment offer. If no one is willing to get paid to take the time to review related info or offers, I could waive that payment offer. (It could also save me precious time.)
Related to 3. above: See the "Related to 1. above:" note above. I do get your contact info if you post in the channel, although, if it is not relevant...
Related to 4. above: I meant to refer to alternate negotiation channels.
Opportunities List from 1 Above.: Grendell Loans/Funding [GISK] GÖÑ Unlimited isk Available GÖÑ Deposits Open again! * Minimum loan amount is 10b isk, and there is no maximum * I am open to unique situations, so don't be shy and just ask me
Vaerah Vahrokha MRVAHFTCH019 Terms of Collateral Holding Rev. 1.00.00 ARTICLE II GÇô COLLATERAL ATTRIBUTES
1. Collateral may be given one or more of the following attributes:
(i) Undepreciable. Example: Blue Print Originals. (ii) Susceptible to variations in worth. Example: ships, high traded volume modules. (iii) Highly susceptible to variations in worth, speculative. Example: Robotics. (a) Quick to liquidate. Example: Blue Print Originals, Tritanium. (b) Slow to liquidate. Example: Several COSMOS items. (1) Easy to liquidate. Example: Unresearched BPO at Jita IV GÇô Moon 4. (2) Hard to liquidate. Example: Rigged missioning ship in 0.0 security space.
ARTICLE IV GÇô GENERAL COLLATERAL EVALUATION CRITERIA ... 6. Collateral kinds that are not covered by the paragraphs above shall not be accepted.
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According to those 2 values reference above, I would be better off to simply transfer, haul and sell my own items. The first one until I get 10 billion worth of assets to compensate for a loan risk. The second one until I get the mentioned items as collateral rather than more generic value items. |
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