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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
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Posted - 2014.01.02 23:13:00 -
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mynnna wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:On the player retention thing, I will point out that measuring "engagement" by measuring wether a player reached or don't an arbitrary milestone ingame is not exactly failproof. How engaged is someone who only runs missions, but has run in excess of 1,500 missions over 5 years? How engaged is someone who only mines rocks, but has done it for years upon years? Is it engagement enough to write in excess of 400 posts at the forums each month? Spend like 20 hours a week writing and reading about EVE? Of all the silly things CCP ever did to me, calling me "not engaged" because I never went to null or reached some other random milestone ingame may be of the silliest. If I was not engaged, Dr Whatsyourname, I would not have given in excess of 1,000 euros to your company.And now it turns I am not even deemed worthy of keeping as a customer because "I am not engaged enough" and my kind leaves too often.  That's pathetic. I have a suggestion. If most people will not cross the social wall, or will not enter the sandbox nor miss it... have a revolutionary idea, free of charge: deliver them exactly what they want with a EVE twist rather than shake your head and say "too bad, they weren't engaged enough" as they leave. You mention reading and posting on the forums a lot. I would guess that'd be one thing that sets you apart from other players with an otherwise similar in-game profile who flame out and leave due to lack of engagement.
Well, I am word-loomer and a story-teller at heart. Not reading and not writing about something that grabs my attention is not an option to me, and EVE is truly fascinating.... but improvable. 
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Jelani Akinyemi Affonso
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
60
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Posted - 2014.01.02 23:19:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:And ccp rise noted that pve is the main thing people do in eve... interesting
funny isn't it?
lol
but I guess that is why CCP seem reluctant when it comes to PVE. If they mess it up then that means a lot of **** off players.
Imagine a world where we have to live with more "Dinsdales"?
I'm a mostly PVE player myself, but sighh...
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mynnna
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2749
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Posted - 2014.01.02 23:20:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:mynnna wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:On the player retention thing, I will point out that measuring "engagement" by measuring wether a player reached or don't an arbitrary milestone ingame is not exactly failproof. How engaged is someone who only runs missions, but has run in excess of 1,500 missions over 5 years? How engaged is someone who only mines rocks, but has done it for years upon years? Is it engagement enough to write in excess of 400 posts at the forums each month? Spend like 20 hours a week writing and reading about EVE? Of all the silly things CCP ever did to me, calling me "not engaged" because I never went to null or reached some other random milestone ingame may be of the silliest. If I was not engaged, Dr Whatsyourname, I would not have given in excess of 1,000 euros to your company.And now it turns I am not even deemed worthy of keeping as a customer because "I am not engaged enough" and my kind leaves too often. That's pathetic. I have a suggestion. If most people will not cross the social wall, or will not enter the sandbox nor miss it... have a revolutionary idea, free of charge: deliver them exactly what they want with a EVE twist rather than shake your head and say "too bad, they weren't engaged enough" as they leave. You mention reading and posting on the forums a lot. I would guess that'd be one thing that sets you apart from other players with an otherwise similar in-game profile who flame out and leave due to lack of engagement. Well, I am word-loomer and a story-teller at heart. Not reading and not writing about something that grabs my attention is not an option to me, and EVE is truly fascinating.... but improvable.
Right, but that's still an additional thing similar looking players may not have going for them.
Am kinda curious what prompted you to jump to the "My kind isn't worth keeping" conclusion though, because don't remember anything even close to that being said and a skim of that session's minutes confirms. 
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Mike Azariah
DemSal Corporation
DemSal Unlimited
755
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Posted - 2014.01.02 23:24:00 -
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mynnna wrote:Right, but that's still an additional thing similar looking players may not have going for them. Am kinda curious what prompted you to jump to the "My kind isn't worth keeping" conclusion though, because don't remember anything even close to that being said and a skim of that session's minutes confirms.
/me nods. Anybody who thinks that CCP is trying to kill off PvE play or PvE players needs to reread the minutes. It just ain't so.
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Mike Azariah-á CSM8 |
MeBiatch
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1647
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Posted - 2014.01.02 23:31:00 -
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Jelani Akinyemi Affonso wrote:MeBiatch wrote:And ccp rise noted that pve is the main thing people do in eve... interesting funny isn't it? lol but I guess that is why CCP seem reluctant when it comes to PVE. If they mess it up then that means a lot of **** off players. Imagine a world where we have to live with more "Dinsdales"? I'm a mostly PVE player myself, but sighh...
but yet drone assist has been in game for 10 years and is used by pve alot but yet some people in 0.0 stated to use it against the goons and now it has to be nerfed?
interesting.
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people...
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Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
105
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Posted - 2014.01.02 23:34:00 -
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I hope the official CSM8 secretary Kesper North appreciates all the hard work the other members put into making the minutes 
Eve rule no.1: The players will make a better version of the game, then CCP initially plans.
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration
Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
3007
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Posted - 2014.01.02 23:34:00 -
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tl;dr; NDA
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EI Digin
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
1636
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Posted - 2014.01.02 23:38:00 -
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Thank you. |
Jelani Akinyemi Affonso
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
61
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Posted - 2014.01.02 23:45:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Jelani Akinyemi Affonso wrote:MeBiatch wrote:And ccp rise noted that pve is the main thing people do in eve... interesting funny isn't it? lol but I guess that is why CCP seem reluctant when it comes to PVE. If they mess it up then that means a lot of **** off players. Imagine a world where we have to live with more "Dinsdales"? I'm a mostly PVE player myself, but sighh... but yet drone assist has been in game for 10 years and is used by pve alot but yet some people in 0.0 stated to use it against the goons and now it has to be nerfed? interesting.
How did we jump from PVE to drone assist just now?
Anyway, I'm still relatively new but I'm sure there are countless examples of things that were in game for years but still have been iterated, changed or nerf. It's something that if you are an eve player that you should expect.
The most recent major item that was nerf was tech, and from what I heard it was in games for years.
But in my opinion, I like drone assist but I believe a compromise can be found. Ppl just need to relax and have a discussion about it and a solution can found.
Seems to be some pretty decent solution that have been put forth in the comment section of Jester's blog: http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2013/12/drone-assist-needs-to-die-redux.html |
Vivi Udan
Multiplex Gaming
Li3 Federation
4
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Posted - 2014.01.02 23:49:00 -
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Quote:Seagull continued with an overview of the future of the EVE/DUST link. This part of the
meeting was so NDA that all memory of it was surgically removed from the CSM before
they were allowed out of the room. -page 35 of the CSM 8 August 2013 Minutes
Assuming someone in the CSM finished training NDA Clearance L5 and managed to jumpclone before CCP initiated the surgery...
Was the CSM (either as a group or individually) happy with the next installment to the EVE/DUST link?
Was it something that could be looked at as 'ambitious' enough to encourage a vast amount more EVE players to actively or passively engage with DUST? or was it another stepping stone?
Were these additions/modifications to the EVE/DUST link going to happen soon or SoonGäó?
On a side note, personally I feel capitals need to be rebalanced sooner (no Gäó) rather than later.
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mynnna
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2749
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Posted - 2014.01.02 23:50:00 -
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Jelani Akinyemi Affonso wrote:Anyway, I'm still relatively new
It shows.
Jelani Akinyemi Affonso wrote:Ppl just need to relax and have a discussion
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MeBiatch
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1647
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Posted - 2014.01.02 23:54:00 -
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Jelani Akinyemi Affonso wrote:How did we jump from PVE to drone assist just now? Anyway, I'm still relatively new but I'm sure there are countless examples of things that were in game for years but still have been iterated, changed or nerf. It's something that if you are an eve player that you should expect. The most recent major item that was nerf was tech, and from what I heard it was in games for years. But in my opinion, I like drone assist but I believe a compromise can be found. Ppl just need to relax and have a discussion about it and a solution can found. Seems to be some pretty decent solution that have been put forth in the comment section of Jester's blog: http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2013/12/drone-assist-needs-to-die-redux.html
1. fix drone ui and programming first before you start to even think about nerfs. limiting assist to can only assign per squad is just a band aide solution we need real answers.
i jumped to that because its something thats been in the game since i started to play and was never a problem until some 0.0 started to use it because drones got a boost and then presto it is going to get hit with the nerf bat.
its a bad thing that ccp does, if the majority of players are not pvp and in pve its fine then why nerf something for the majority of players who have zero problem with it. drone assist aside its a bad president.
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people...
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Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
105
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Posted - 2014.01.03 00:03:00 -
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Since the CSM is the New Eden's society representation of between 50k to 60k voters,
will we capsuleers have any influence how the CSM summit minutes will be overhauled ?
Eve rule no.1: The players will make a better version of the game, then CCP initially plans.
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Mike Azariah
DemSal Corporation
DemSal Unlimited
758
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Posted - 2014.01.03 00:21:00 -
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Freelancer117 wrote:Since the CSM is the New Eden's society representation of between 50k to 60k voters,
will we capsuleers have any influence how the CSM summit minutes will be overhauled ?
I am curious. In what way would you change it (aside from the obvious 'make them come out faster')
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CCP Dolan
C C P
C C P Alliance
833
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Posted - 2014.01.03 00:25:00 -
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Freelancer117 wrote:Since the CSM is the New Eden's society representation of between 50k to 60k voters,
will we capsuleers have any influence how the CSM summit minutes will be overhauled ?
Yup, I'm gonna post a ~thing~ pretty soon. It will be amongst a lot of things I am gonna be posting in the coming days. Fear my reign of terror.
CCP Dolan | Community Representative
Twitter: @CCPDolan
Gooby pls |
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
13450
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Posted - 2014.01.03 00:33:00 -
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CCP Dolan wrote:Freelancer117 wrote:Since the CSM is the New Eden's society representation of between 50k to 60k voters,
will we capsuleers have any influence how the CSM summit minutes will be overhauled ?
Yup, I'm gonna post a ~thing~ pretty soon. It will be amongst a lot of things I am gonna be posting in the coming days. Fear my reign of terror.
Will it last more than a minute?
1 Kings 12:11
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SeenButNotHeard
Doing The Business
118
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Posted - 2014.01.03 00:35:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:CCP Dolan wrote:Freelancer117 wrote:Since the CSM is the New Eden's society representation of between 50k to 60k voters,
will we capsuleers have any influence how the CSM summit minutes will be overhauled ?
Yup, I'm gonna post a ~thing~ pretty soon. It will be amongst a lot of things I am gonna be posting in the coming days. Fear my reign of terror. Will it last more than a minute?
Probably take four months. |
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
1649
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Posted - 2014.01.03 00:35:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:CCP Dolan wrote:Freelancer117 wrote:Since the CSM is the New Eden's society representation of between 50k to 60k voters,
will we capsuleers have any influence how the CSM summit minutes will be overhauled ?
Yup, I'm gonna post a ~thing~ pretty soon. It will be amongst a lot of things I am gonna be posting in the coming days. Fear my reign of terror. Will it last more than a minute?
with dolan not much does
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people...
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TheSmokingHertog
TALIBAN EXPRESS
177
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Posted - 2014.01.03 00:38:00 -
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Nice read,
Hope the UI gets the attention it deserves. Also, hope to get a QEN replacement soon, without it, its really annoying to be uninformed about global trends. Something I really would like to be informed about. |
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
1649
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Posted - 2014.01.03 00:42:00 -
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Eigenvalue wrote:Disappointed there's only one mention of POS'es still being broken. The idea that they only impact a small number of players is absurd. They only impact a small number of players BECAUSE THEY ARE BROKEN.
see the part about new deployable structures...
they are going to eventually replace pos.
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people...
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Billy Hix
Team JK
56
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Posted - 2014.01.03 00:47:00 -
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Quote:CSM canconfirm that there is a roadmap and it is good. If all goes well, 2015 may well be the
most exciting year in EVE's history
This is by far the most important comment in the whole minutes.
Incarna was a disaster because there was no real plan. Lets make stations AWESOME and people can do 'stuff' in them, isn't a plan. There was a reason CCP refused to tell the CSM about the medium term plans, there weren't any.
If the CSM have been told how each expansion is being planned and how they will come together after 3 years and they are happy with it. THANK GOD!!!!!
Maybe this time it will be worth the wait |
Two step
Aperture Harmonics
No Holes Barred
4379
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Posted - 2014.01.03 01:35:00 -
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Only one tiny mention of CREST, and no more info on a possible release date or even what is currently holding up the release. Any news on this?
CSM 7 Secretary
CSM 6 Alternate Delegate
@two_step_eve on Twitter
My Blog
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
2524
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Posted - 2014.01.03 01:50:00 -
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Two step wrote:Only one tiny mention of CREST, and no more info on a possible release date or even what is currently holding up the release. Any news on this?
Two mentions. But very small ones. . And no mention of SSO by itself (which should be far simpler for all the extra stuff. No game design decisions)
Even just getting the SSO would be a huge step.
Steve Ronuken for CSM 9!
http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/
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Merida DunBrogh
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2014.01.03 02:16:00 -
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Just finished reading 80% of the minutes(Skipped some in the end) there are a few things I noticed:
1. I am glad I voted for Trebor(Don't leave D:)
2. Malcanis has the CSM tag, yet wasn't mentioned once in the minutes, why?
3. The suggested format in "Language Support and the CSM" is really confusing and cluttered to me, and I prefer the current way where it feels more like a good book I am reading than some boring history book.
Can't wait to see what the future brings, and great performance in the minutes by Trebor Daehdoow and Ripard Teg, and to a lesser extent mynnna, Mike Azariah and Ali Aras.
Good wishes to CCP Sunset and the baby! Lovely construction there Trebor! |
Lelira Cirim
EVE University
Ivy League
126
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Posted - 2014.01.03 02:17:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:
Please try and keep up - Ripard is the mindlessly obedient tool of the Goon nullsec cartel this week.
Sounds like there's good money to be made selling dartboard templates. 
Also is it bad that every time I read "CCP Dolan" my internal narrator says CCP Dotlan?
Do not actively tank my patience. |
mynnna
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2749
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Posted - 2014.01.03 02:55:00 -
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Merida DunBrogh wrote:Just finished reading 80% of the minutes(Skipped some in the end) there are a few things I noticed:
1. I am glad I voted for Trebor(Don't leave D:)
2. Malcanis has the CSM tag, yet wasn't mentioned once in the minutes, why?
3. The suggested format in "Language Support and the CSM" is really confusing and cluttered to me, and I prefer the current way where it feels more like a good book I am reading than some boring history book.
Can't wait to see what the future brings, and great performance in the minutes by Trebor Daehdoow and Ripard Teg, and to a lesser extent mynnna, Mike Azariah and Ali Aras.
Good wishes to CCP Sunset and the baby! Lovely construction there Trebor!
Malcanis wasn't present at this summit and was unable to attend remotely, thus the lack of mention.
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Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
3253
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Posted - 2014.01.03 02:55:00 -
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Merida DunBrogh wrote:1. I am glad I voted for Trebor(Don't leave D:)
There is a saying that "Showing up is 80% of success". As you get older, you realize that most of the remaining 20% is knowing when to leave. 
Like any honest politician, "My door is always open, and my hand is always out" |
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
1650
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Posted - 2014.01.03 03:08:00 -
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There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people...
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Lyron-Baktos
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
449
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Posted - 2014.01.03 03:26:00 -
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Thats all we get from the art team? No update on where they are with V3. Nothing mentioned on what they are working on next. No word on the ugly lighting/shaders that makes the Amarr ships look like turds in space
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Thead Enco
III Legion
37
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Posted - 2014.01.03 03:47:00 -
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Lyron-Baktos wrote:Thats all we get from the art team? No update on where they are with V3. Nothing mentioned on what they are working on next. No word on the ugly lighting/shaders that makes the Amarr ships look like turds in space
The CSM were "Hungover" that day so note taking was done at a minimal
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