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j0sephine	Posted - 2006.03.19 20:52:00 - [151] Edited by: j0sephine on 19/03/2006 20:53:04 "This just proves the point that Tachyons are perfectly balanced. You need to sacrifice 1/3 medslots of your geddon just to "sustain" them shooting!" Nah, this just proves the point it is possible to reasonably setup a ship able to run tachyons for long time, as long as one gets over the kneejerk "cap booster on amarr ship, lol" reaction. Playing with measurement of ship slots in percentages as some kind of balance proof is silly at best -- because it makes the same weapon "cost" completely different amounts on different ships. In fact, if you want to play this game then it's very easy to prove railguns are actually more expensive cap-wise to run, and it costs equal 'part' of mid slots to counter that. Which could make it sound, if one was ill-willed, that it's not the tachyons that deserve a relative boost but the railguns, instead...
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.03.19 20:58:00 - [152] Originally by: Spokesperson Ever heard of a dictionary or better yet..........ONLINE SPELL CHECKER!!!!!! you sir, are a ******* retard. stop mocking people just because english isn't their first language. try arguing the points being raised and not how someome puts them across.
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.03.19 21:01:00 - [153] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Spokesperson Ever heard of a dictionary or better yet..........ONLINE SPELL CHECKER!!!!!! you sir, are a ***** retard. stop mocking people just because english isn't their first language. try arguing the points being raised and not how someome puts them across. Sarmaul 4tw! ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!**
Spokesperson	Posted - 2006.03.19 21:10:00 - [154] Edited by: Spokesperson on 19/03/2006 21:10:00 Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Spokesperson Ever heard of a dictionary or better yet..........ONLINE SPELL CHECKER!!!!!! you sir, are a ******* retard. stop mocking people just because english isn't their first language. try arguing the points being raised and not how someome puts them across. English is not MY first language either. Oh noes, I rendered your argument useless! Can you hear that, thats the sound of a one hand applause for your brave try of defending gron alt.
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.03.19 21:11:00 - [155] Originally by: Spokesperson Edited by: Spokesperson on 19/03/2006 21:10:00 Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Spokesperson Ever heard of a dictionary or better yet..........ONLINE SPELL CHECKER!!!!!! you sir, are a ******* retard. stop mocking people just because english isn't their first language. try arguing the points being raised and not how someome puts them across. English is not MY first language either. Oh noes, I rendered your argument useless! Can you hear that, thats the sound of a one hand applause for your brave try of defending gron alt. congratulations, you can type better than gron. btw, gron alt = Gronsak = old corpmate, not a trolling alt
Spokesperson	Posted - 2006.03.19 21:12:00 - [156] Originally by: j0sephine "Apart from the fact that that geddon will last 1 minute if being targeted while the other ships can hold a fairly decent tank while still doing almost as much damage?" WTB: a tank that will last even 1 minute when made primary in your typical fleet battle... (tanking in these sniping fests are waste of slots) WTS : EVE ONLINE. A massive multiplayer roleplaying game where you can chose your own career path. Not everything in EVE is all about ganking
j0sephine	Posted - 2006.03.19 21:17:00 - [157] "WTS : EVE ONLINE. A massive multiplayer roleplaying game where you can chose your own career path. Not everything in EVE is all about ganking" "I recognize i was wrong and my argument held no weight" would be both faster to type, and more relevant to the subject at hand...
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.03.19 21:19:00 - [158] * gets popcorn this should be fun
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.03.19 21:22:00 - [159] Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 19/03/2006 21:21:41 /me gives Sarmaul nachos. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.03.19 21:28:00 - [160] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire /me gives Sarmaul nachos. got any dip?
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.03.19 21:29:00 - [161] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Jenny Spitfire /me gives Sarmaul nachos. got any dip? Salsa? please
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.03.19 21:29:00 - [162] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Jenny Spitfire /me gives Sarmaul nachos. got any dip? Salsa? ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.03.19 21:30:00 - [163] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Jenny Spitfire /me gives Sarmaul nachos. got any dip? Salsa? please There you go. /me gives Sarmaul a salsa dip. Hola! ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.03.19 21:33:00 - [164] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Jenny Spitfire /me gives Sarmaul nachos. got any dip? Salsa? please There you go. /me gives Sarmaul a salsa dip. Hola! Hola! * gets out his guitar and oversized novelty hat
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.03.19 21:40:00 - [165] Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 19/03/2006 21:40:30 Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Jenny Spitfire /me gives Sarmaul nachos. got any dip? Salsa? please There you go. /me gives Sarmaul a salsa dip. Hola! Hola! * gets out his guitar and oversized novelty hat * heart beats faster. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.03.19 21:43:00 - [166] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 19/03/2006 21:40:30 Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Jenny Spitfire /me gives Sarmaul nachos. got any dip? Salsa? please There you go. /me gives Sarmaul a salsa dip. Hola! Hola! * gets out his guitar and oversized novelty hat * heart beats faster. dance for me my sexy senorita
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.03.19 21:44:00 - [167] and on that note I'm going to stop as I've annoyed the mods enough as it is :)
Crellion	Posted - 2006.03.20 08:19:00 - [168] Mods please clean this thread... I ll "clean" Jenny when next I log on in 1v-
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2006.03.20 08:38:00 - [169] Originally by: Foomanshoe Tachyons might have high base damage. But once skills get factored in, both rails and artillery severly overpower them. More people should get more of a clue before posting rubbish like this. Altho, it's what I used to think too, since nothing else makes sense really seeing how both tachs and megabeams have the best of everything else don't they ? But, I checked. A tachyon user in an apoc at Amarr BS level 1 will outdamage my megathron with Gallente BS 5. His guns will outtrack mine, have nearly the same range, no reloading, no ammo switching delays, no cargo needed for ammo, and a relatively lower cap use per shot then mine. The one and only drawback: em and thermal damage. Ok, so convince me, quantify the effect of the em&thermal of a fully fitted apoc with fleet/gank setup using tachs respectively megabeams compared to the kinetic&thermal damage of my similarly fitted megathron. Let's see what happens shall we ? Power to the players !
Zarks	Posted - 2006.03.20 09:20:00 - [170] Problem is people posting here only use these guns for long range warfare and with many ships involved. They don¦t care about tanking only most total dmg with highest range/tracking. Everything else is not an issue for them. What about the people who fight alot in 2-3ppl gangs or even alone then? Fitting tachyons is a pain on an armageddon and even an apoc and you need those low slots for other modules. Think about this also. ___________________________________________________ Looking for Chelm/Draclira mega beam lasers. Also looking for cruise launcher II BPO, isk available.
Apollo Balthar	Posted - 2006.03.20 09:24:00 - [171] Originally by: Spokesperson Originally by: j0sephine "Apart from the fact that that geddon will last 1 minute if being targeted while the other ships can hold a fairly decent tank while still doing almost as much damage?" WTB: a tank that will last even 1 minute when made primary in your typical fleet battle... (tanking in these sniping fests are waste of slots) WTS : EVE ONLINE. A massive multiplayer roleplaying game where you can chose your own career path. Not everything in EVE is all about ganking WTB: antitrollpotion willing to pay 1000 gold Live by the sword, die by my guns...!
Spokesperson	Posted - 2006.03.20 09:58:00 - [172] Originally by: Rod Blaine A tachyon user in an apoc at Amarr BS level 1 will outdamage my megathron with Gallente BS 5. Hey there. Im sorry are you taking the ****? I have to ask because you suggest that tachs outdamage the mega that has ship damage bonus
Nafri	Posted - 2006.03.20 10:04:00 - [173] Originally by: Spokesperson Originally by: Rod Blaine A tachyon user in an apoc at Amarr BS level 1 will outdamage my megathron with Gallente BS 5. Hey there. Im sorry are you taking the ****? I have to ask because you suggest that tachs outdamage the mega that has ship damage bonus Yeah, cause lasers have built in damage mods. Their raw DPS is much higher than hybdrids or projectiles, so people fitted them a lot on scorps, Ravens and other ships 2003. Lasers without any ship bonus outdamage most other guns with single or double damage bonus on their ship. Basicly a typhoon with pulse lasers will do more damage than a typhoon with autocannons. Tempest does only 30 DPS less when fitting lasers (it is one of the rare Matari ships with double damage bonus). Thats also the reason why people say that lasers are easy to train for. Most ships have no damage bonus and so it doesnt matter if its lvl1 or lvl5, just the duration of your weapons will suffer from low skills, not the damage (execpt for ships like omen and geddon, which are the amarr double damage bonus ships basicly). Sincerly Nafri
gron alt	Posted - 2006.03.20 10:08:00 - [174] Originally by: Spokesperson Originally by: Rod Blaine A tachyon user in an apoc at Amarr BS level 1 will outdamage my megathron with Gallente BS 5. Hey there. Im sorry are you taking the ****? I have to ask because you suggest that tachs outdamage the mega that has ship damage bonus at the moment with galante bs 5 and amarr bs 2 the apoc out damages the megathron by 8% when you add the new improved tac t2 it will b over 10% and you got better tracking and burst dmg
Theron Gyrow	Posted - 2006.03.20 10:50:00 - [175] Originally by: Spokesperson Originally by: Rod Blaine A tachyon user in an apoc at Amarr BS level 1 will outdamage my megathron with Gallente BS 5. Hey there. Im sorry are you taking the **? I have to ask because you suggest that tachs outdamage the mega that has ship damage bonus And this, people, is WHY YOU SHOULD CHECK YOUR FACTS BEFORE POSTING!** That is indeed the case. -- Gradient's forum
Spokesperson	Posted - 2006.03.20 11:21:00 - [176] Originally by: Theron Gyrow Originally by: Spokesperson Originally by: Rod Blaine A tachyon user in an apoc at Amarr BS level 1 will outdamage my megathron with Gallente BS 5. Hey there. Im sorry are you taking the **? I have to ask because you suggest that tachs outdamage the mega that has ship damage bonus And this, people, is WHY YOU SHOULD CHECK YOUR FACTS BEFORE POSTING! That is indeed the case. WOW SWEET THANKS FOR LETTING US ALL KNOW!!11111111111-1**
Spokesperson	Posted - 2006.03.20 11:22:00 - [177] Originally by: gron alt Originally by: Spokesperson Originally by: Rod Blaine A tachyon user in an apoc at Amarr BS level 1 will outdamage my megathron with Gallente BS 5. Hey there. Im sorry are you taking the ****? I have to ask because you suggest that tachs outdamage the mega that has ship damage bonus at the moment with galante bs 5 and amarr bs 2 the apoc out damages the megathron by 8% when you add the new improved tac t2 it will b over 10% and you got better tracking and burst dmg I might be in denial but Im really having a hard time accepting this.
Exuscon	Posted - 2006.03.20 11:46:00 - [178] Edited by: Exuscon on 20/03/2006 11:48:16 I killed a BS other day that attacked me leaving a .4 station dock. I guess he thought I had long range lasers on. I had 6 T2 Blasters on my Amarr cruiser. I use that weaps for rats. I just orbited him and beat the hell out of him. I repaired all his drone damage done to me.
Theron Gyrow	Posted - 2006.03.20 11:50:00 - [179] Edited by: Theron Gyrow on 20/03/2006 11:52:02 Originally by: Spokesperson Originally by: gron alt Originally by: Spokesperson Originally by: Rod Blaine A tachyon user in an apoc at Amarr BS level 1 will outdamage my megathron with Gallente BS 5. Hey there. Im sorry are you taking the ****? I have to ask because you suggest that tachs outdamage the mega that has ship damage bonus at the moment with galante bs 5 and amarr bs 2 the apoc out damages the megathron by 8% when you add the new improved tac t2 it will b over 10% and you got better tracking and burst dmg I might be in denial but Im really having a hard time accepting this. Understandable. Numbers: Tachyon I damage mod (possible new values): 4.25 (4.5) Tachyon RoF: 12.5 secs Dam mod/RoF = 0.34/sec (0.36/sec) 8 guns, total mod 2.72/sec (2.88/sec) 425mm I damage mod: 2.75 425mm RoF: 9.5625 Dam mod/RoF = 0.2876/sec With 25% ship bonus = 0.3595/sec 7 guns, total mod 2.5163/sec 2.72/2.5163 = 1.081, currently Apoc does 8% more damage than a Mega. 2.88/2.5163 = 1.145, after the tachyon change Apoc would outdamage the Mega by 15% or so. Tech 2 is just 20% more damage to both, other skills improve the damage equally for both, hybrid ammo and laser crystals have the same raw damage values. Tracking of tachyons: 0.0139205 Tracking of 425mms: 0.009625 Tracking of 425mms on Mega with 37.5% tracking bonus: 0.013234375 Apoc tracks 5.2% better than Mega with the improved tracking bonus. With Amarr Battleship skill at level 2, three damage mods, maxed cap skills, no cap modules and Aurora ammo (optimal 186k), a sniperpoc runs out of cap after firing for 118 seconds - any sniping fight should be over by that time. If there is an error in my numbers, I'm sure someone will let me know. If not, I hope you are convinced. -- Gradient's forum
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.03.20 12:37:00 - [180] Edited by: Testy Mctest on 20/03/2006 12:38:04 Everytime we get one of these threads, I start wondering why I'm still training Minmatar. When training T2 large lasers would only take me a month, and a month more for Amarr BS 5 :S We struggle to get our broken weapons and ships looked at, we get barely there fixes (Typhoon), and Amarr get random buffs where no problem exists. There used to be a sig here, but I got bored of it.

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