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Squirrrel
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Posted - 2003.09.09 17:39:00 -
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Edited by: Squirrrel on 09/09/2003 17:39:47
that you won't be held to ransom by their actions.
Don't use secure containers that hold a minimal amount of ore and slow you down, don't play by THEIR rules.
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Scavenger, Outright Ore Thief, Whatever. |
Squirrrel
Gallente
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Posted - 2003.09.09 17:39:00 -
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Edited by: Squirrrel on 09/09/2003 17:39:47
that you won't be held to ransom by their actions.
Don't use secure containers that hold a minimal amount of ore and slow you down, don't play by THEIR rules.
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Skillz
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Posted - 2003.09.09 18:49:00 -
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Risk / Reward
or
Cost / Benefit
Do the math, get real carebear whiners.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Skillz
Amarr
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Posted - 2003.09.09 18:49:00 -
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Risk / Reward
or
Cost / Benefit
Do the math, get real carebear whiners.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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SwitchBl4d3
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Posted - 2003.09.09 19:00:00 -
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whats the ***** just mine a quiet system that no one uses..
toggle in map you'll find one real easy
"Teh lord of Nonni"
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SwitchBl4d3
Interstellar eXodus
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2003.09.09 19:00:00 -
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whats the ***** just mine a quiet system that no one uses..
toggle in map you'll find one real easy
 Originally by: Stavros
BUNGLE IN JUNGLE? J tHX OMG YEAH CHICKEN WINGS K? LOLLER SKATESWIHT LUBE K?
MIUOINKEYT!!!
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Visionary
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Posted - 2003.09.09 19:57:00 -
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Quote:
This is CCPs position. I doubt it will change.
"The regular containers were designed to jettison unwanted items into space or to hold loot from blown up ships. They were designed so that any player could take from them because that was essential for them to function as they were intended. Players later invented the "container mining" method after noticing that the containers could hold way more than any cargohold. This use for the containers was never intended and it has the obvious flaw that any player with a reduced sense of right and wrong can come by and take everything from the container and no one can do anything about it.
This risk should be known to all players and there will be no reimbursement for ore lost this way. Also, ore "theft" is not considered harrassment so no punishment will be dealt out to those who choose to "steal". Players who are thinking of taking up a career as ore thiefs should note that they will face a lifetime of unpopularity and unhappiness as a result.
CCP has decided to meet players halfway by implementing secure containers that can be bought on the market and have the advantage of being equipped with a password lock. These containers cost money and do not hold the vast amount of ore that the regular containers do. However, with good organization and frequent ore pickups using Industrial ships, they can be very useful for large scale mining operations.
The bottom line is: If you use regular containers to store your ore you assume all the risk. Having your valuables floating in space in an unsecure container is equivelant to throwing money on the street. Should you lurk nearby and wait for someone to take the money and then attack him, the police would deal with you, not him. The same goes in Eve. If you attack a player who just took "your" ore from a regular container in a system with a security level of 0.5 or higher. You will be destroyed by Concord."
GM... PLZ STOP THIS STUPID DISCUSSIONS AND CLOSE ALL ORE THIEF THREADS !
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Visionary
Gallente
Cataclysm Enterprises
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Posted - 2003.09.09 19:57:00 -
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Quote:
This is CCPs position. I doubt it will change.
"The regular containers were designed to jettison unwanted items into space or to hold loot from blown up ships. They were designed so that any player could take from them because that was essential for them to function as they were intended. Players later invented the "container mining" method after noticing that the containers could hold way more than any cargohold. This use for the containers was never intended and it has the obvious flaw that any player with a reduced sense of right and wrong can come by and take everything from the container and no one can do anything about it.
This risk should be known to all players and there will be no reimbursement for ore lost this way. Also, ore "theft" is not considered harrassment so no punishment will be dealt out to those who choose to "steal". Players who are thinking of taking up a career as ore thiefs should note that they will face a lifetime of unpopularity and unhappiness as a result.
CCP has decided to meet players halfway by implementing secure containers that can be bought on the market and have the advantage of being equipped with a password lock. These containers cost money and do not hold the vast amount of ore that the regular containers do. However, with good organization and frequent ore pickups using Industrial ships, they can be very useful for large scale mining operations.
The bottom line is: If you use regular containers to store your ore you assume all the risk. Having your valuables floating in space in an unsecure container is equivelant to throwing money on the street. Should you lurk nearby and wait for someone to take the money and then attack him, the police would deal with you, not him. The same goes in Eve. If you attack a player who just took "your" ore from a regular container in a system with a security level of 0.5 or higher. You will be destroyed by Concord."
GM... PLZ STOP THIS STUPID DISCUSSIONS AND CLOSE ALL ORE THIEF THREADS !
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Squirrrel
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Posted - 2003.09.09 20:14:00 -
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GM... PLZ STOP THIS STUPID DISCUSSIONS AND CLOSE ALL ORE THIEF THREADS !
This is a thread with a difference though... I'm trying to drum up some work. ;)
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Squirrrel
Gallente
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Posted - 2003.09.09 20:14:00 -
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Quote:
GM... PLZ STOP THIS STUPID DISCUSSIONS AND CLOSE ALL ORE THIEF THREADS !
This is a thread with a difference though... I'm trying to drum up some work. ;)
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Dala Grey
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Posted - 2003.09.09 22:39:00 -
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just because you are ALLOWED to do something, dosen't mean you SHOULD.....
this is why some of us have a moral code.
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Dala Grey
Caldari
Avite Aurora
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Posted - 2003.09.09 22:39:00 -
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just because you are ALLOWED to do something, dosen't mean you SHOULD.....
this is why some of us have a moral code.
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Squirrrel
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Posted - 2003.09.09 23:19:00 -
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Edited by: Squirrrel on 09/09/2003 23:20:05
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just because you are ALLOWED to do something, dosen't mean you SHOULD.....
this is why some of us have a moral code.
Ah the old moral high ground.
Yes I am obviously a thief in real life too, a bum and a scumbag.
Pirates are obviously serial killers, whilst the rest are obviously down the pits mining or work in labs and factories.
Gotta go, I hear police sirens close by my home.
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Scavenger, Outright Ore Thief, Whatever. |
Squirrrel
Gallente
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Posted - 2003.09.09 23:19:00 -
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Edited by: Squirrrel on 09/09/2003 23:20:05
Quote:
just because you are ALLOWED to do something, dosen't mean you SHOULD.....
this is why some of us have a moral code.
Ah the old moral high ground.
Yes I am obviously a thief in real life too, a bum and a scumbag.
Pirates are obviously serial killers, whilst the rest are obviously down the pits mining or work in labs and factories.
Gotta go, I hear police sirens close by my home.
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Dala Grey
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Posted - 2003.09.10 00:14:00 -
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You missed the point, this is a role play game after all.
My real life morals have little or no bearings on those I choose my charecter to have.
I play for the role play aspect, therefore all of my comments are directed at your RP persona, if you so choose to have one. if not, then they don't apply to you.
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Dala Grey
Caldari
Avite Aurora
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Posted - 2003.09.10 00:14:00 -
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You missed the point, this is a role play game after all.
My real life morals have little or no bearings on those I choose my charecter to have.
I play for the role play aspect, therefore all of my comments are directed at your RP persona, if you so choose to have one. if not, then they don't apply to you.
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Eltigre
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Posted - 2003.09.10 01:39:00 -
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Here's another method that stops ore thieves...
Use the smallest ship necessary to kill the ore thieves even in 1.0 systems... Frigates cost < 200000 isk and I have NO PROBLEM with throwing a Frigate away just to kill some IDIOT ore thief whwnever doing so becomes necessary. Lately ore thieves have been using small ships such as noob ships or Frigates - some people use noob alts to steal ore... I keep at least 1 or 2 fully loaded and armed Frigates on hot stand-by near where I mine just so I can sit 80 km from the soon-to-be-dead noob and then I launch 4 heavy missiles and then wait for the Concord to destroy by throw-away Frigate. Agents know how to help me remove the drop in Security Status that results for me but I take the noob's ship away and possibly force the noob to go and get enough money to buy another ship. Try this sometime ! - lol
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Eltigre
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Posted - 2003.09.10 01:39:00 -
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Here's another method that stops ore thieves...
Use the smallest ship necessary to kill the ore thieves even in 1.0 systems... Frigates cost < 200000 isk and I have NO PROBLEM with throwing a Frigate away just to kill some IDIOT ore thief whwnever doing so becomes necessary. Lately ore thieves have been using small ships such as noob ships or Frigates - some people use noob alts to steal ore... I keep at least 1 or 2 fully loaded and armed Frigates on hot stand-by near where I mine just so I can sit 80 km from the soon-to-be-dead noob and then I launch 4 heavy missiles and then wait for the Concord to destroy by throw-away Frigate. Agents know how to help me remove the drop in Security Status that results for me but I take the noob's ship away and possibly force the noob to go and get enough money to buy another ship. Try this sometime ! - lol
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PropanElgen
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Posted - 2003.09.10 06:04:00 -
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Quote:
Here's another method that stops ore thieves...
Use the smallest ship necessary to kill the ore thieves even in 1.0 systems... Frigates cost < 200000 isk and I have NO PROBLEM with throwing a Frigate away just to kill some IDIOT ore thief whwnever doing so becomes necessary. Lately ore thieves have been using small ships such as noob ships or Frigates - some people use noob alts to steal ore... I keep at least 1 or 2 fully loaded and armed Frigates on hot stand-by near where I mine just so I can sit 80 km from the soon-to-be-dead noob and then I launch 4 heavy missiles and then wait for the Concord to destroy by throw-away Frigate. Agents know how to help me remove the drop in Security Status that results for me but I take the noob's ship away and possibly force the noob to go and get enough money to buy another ship. Try this sometime ! - lol
Yeah like the ore remover wouldn't warp away from your prescious missiles..
All the angels and the puny men of god looked away...
Frightened to death by the evil that was born on that day!
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PropanElgen
Caldari
CRICE Corporation
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Posted - 2003.09.10 06:04:00 -
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Quote:
Here's another method that stops ore thieves...
Use the smallest ship necessary to kill the ore thieves even in 1.0 systems... Frigates cost < 200000 isk and I have NO PROBLEM with throwing a Frigate away just to kill some IDIOT ore thief whwnever doing so becomes necessary. Lately ore thieves have been using small ships such as noob ships or Frigates - some people use noob alts to steal ore... I keep at least 1 or 2 fully loaded and armed Frigates on hot stand-by near where I mine just so I can sit 80 km from the soon-to-be-dead noob and then I launch 4 heavy missiles and then wait for the Concord to destroy by throw-away Frigate. Agents know how to help me remove the drop in Security Status that results for me but I take the noob's ship away and possibly force the noob to go and get enough money to buy another ship. Try this sometime ! - lol
Yeah like the ore remover wouldn't warp away from your prescious missiles..
All the angels and the puny men of god looked away...
Frightened to death by the evil that was born on that day!
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Nitalya
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Posted - 2003.09.10 06:20:00 -
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BLAH BLAH BLAH i left my ore in space and someone stole it BLAH BLAH BLAH... now i dont condone ore stealing but im also smart enough to not leave my ore in space...
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Nitalya
Amarr
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2003.09.10 06:20:00 -
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BLAH BLAH BLAH i left my ore in space and someone stole it BLAH BLAH BLAH... now i dont condone ore stealing but im also smart enough to not leave my ore in space...
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Squirrrel
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Posted - 2003.09.10 14:50:00 -
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Quote:
Here's another method that stops ore thieves...
Use the smallest ship necessary to kill the ore thieves even in 1.0 systems... Frigates cost < 200000 isk and I have NO PROBLEM with throwing a Frigate away just to kill some IDIOT ore thief whwnever doing so becomes necessary. Lately ore thieves have been using small ships such as noob ships or Frigates - some people use noob alts to steal ore... I keep at least 1 or 2 fully loaded and armed Frigates on hot stand-by near where I mine just so I can sit 80 km from the soon-to-be-dead noob and then I launch 4 heavy missiles and then wait for the Concord to destroy by throw-away Frigate. Agents know how to help me remove the drop in Security Status that results for me but I take the noob's ship away and possibly force the noob to go and get enough money to buy another ship. Try this sometime ! - lol
newb ships are free to replace, and frigates very cheap, so in this case you're probably just losing yourself a bit of time from the event.
Each to their own though.
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Scavenger, Outright Ore Thief, Whatever. |
Squirrrel
Gallente
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Posted - 2003.09.10 14:50:00 -
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Quote:
Here's another method that stops ore thieves...
Use the smallest ship necessary to kill the ore thieves even in 1.0 systems... Frigates cost < 200000 isk and I have NO PROBLEM with throwing a Frigate away just to kill some IDIOT ore thief whwnever doing so becomes necessary. Lately ore thieves have been using small ships such as noob ships or Frigates - some people use noob alts to steal ore... I keep at least 1 or 2 fully loaded and armed Frigates on hot stand-by near where I mine just so I can sit 80 km from the soon-to-be-dead noob and then I launch 4 heavy missiles and then wait for the Concord to destroy by throw-away Frigate. Agents know how to help me remove the drop in Security Status that results for me but I take the noob's ship away and possibly force the noob to go and get enough money to buy another ship. Try this sometime ! - lol
newb ships are free to replace, and frigates very cheap, so in this case you're probably just losing yourself a bit of time from the event.
Each to their own though.
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TekRa
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Posted - 2003.09.10 15:00:00 -
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if osmeone in a newb ship stole my ore doubt I'd be too bothered, the cargo hold is what? <300? buy the time they have grabbed 1 load, I'm back at base, in my mammoth and got the lot safe again. 
sure it sucks to be stolen from, but hey, like every1 says, risk vs reward. (not that there is much risk).
once giant cans are secure, i doubt I'll have anymore problems anyway. 
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TekRa
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2003.09.10 15:00:00 -
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if osmeone in a newb ship stole my ore doubt I'd be too bothered, the cargo hold is what? <300? buy the time they have grabbed 1 load, I'm back at base, in my mammoth and got the lot safe again.
sure it sucks to be stolen from, but hey, like every1 says, risk vs reward. (not that there is much risk).
once giant cans are secure, i doubt I'll have anymore problems anyway.
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Sourus
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Posted - 2003.09.10 15:46:00 -
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Contraband flagging... very interesting. Hats off to CCP. I love you guys :)
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Sourus
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Posted - 2003.09.10 15:46:00 -
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Contraband flagging... very interesting. Hats off to CCP. I love you guys :)
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Skillz
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Posted - 2003.09.10 15:53:00 -
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I want more powercap and medslots for EW in industrials.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Skillz
Amarr
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Posted - 2003.09.10 15:53:00 -
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I want more powercap and medslots for EW in industrials.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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