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HUGO DRAX
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Posted - 2006.03.17 03:33:00 -
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With all the new influx of WoW players, and EQ players who are used to risk free gaming they will eventually outnumber the folks who enjoyed EvE for its realistic PvP risks. These folks will have the power to make EvE into an NPC hunt game where PvP is only available in 0.0 with restrictions. I have noticed more folks whining regarding things being "Unfair" etc.. than ever. What do you think, will the carebears win and the gamecontent change to make them happy as they begin to outnumber the folks initially attracted to EvE? Dont just complain, do something. Channel macrointel meet with likeminded folks, spottings,intel |
Saeris Tal'Urduar
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Posted - 2006.03.17 03:35:00 -
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Not a chance, as quoted from more than one Dev.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.03.17 03:36:00 -
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Enough with the "OMG TEH SKY IS FALLING!!1!elevendy!11!" threads.
They can ***** and cry all they want, CCP isn't going to change their game just to keep big numbers, or they'd have dumbed it down to be more appealing to the retard gamers.
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu I'm probably one of the biggest Bush fanboys in Eve... This is like, Darth Vader, can't-reach-climax-without-killing-a-puppy evil.
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Gonada
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Posted - 2006.03.17 03:37:00 -
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carebearss is whats wrong with the world today. kill em all.
-I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.-
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Luigi Thirty
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Posted - 2006.03.17 03:38:00 -
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Without carebears, who would manufacture your T2 railguns? :)
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Mikkal Inx
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Posted - 2006.03.17 03:38:00 -
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Wining is just whining. Tune it out. Eve will never stoop to other "lesser" standards of gaming. Period.
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Dust Angel
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Posted - 2006.03.17 03:41:00 -
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Originally by: Luigi Thirty Without carebears, who would manufacture your T2 railguns? :)
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Nimie
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Posted - 2006.03.17 03:43:00 -
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many players don't acutally want risk free gaming. they just want it in empire at best. the fight is more or less like pvpers wanting both empire and 0.0 space as warzones and carebears wanting just 0.0 as warzones. is 0.0 so tough or unsatifying in some way that you guys have to take it against weak haulers in empire or somethng?
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.03.17 03:45:00 -
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Originally by: HUGO DRAX With all the new influx of WoW players, and EQ players who are used to risk free gaming they will eventually outnumber the folks who enjoyed EvE for its realistic PvP risks. These folks will have the power to make EvE into an NPC hunt game where PvP is only available in 0.0 with restrictions. I have noticed more folks whining regarding things being "Unfair" etc.. than ever. What do you think, will the carebears win and the gamecontent change to make them happy as they begin to outnumber the folks initially attracted to EvE?
After listening to the dev discussion this afternoon I wouldn't worry about that too much... --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson |
HUGO DRAX
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Posted - 2006.03.17 03:49:00 -
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MY definition of a carebear is someone who wants riskfree gaming it does not include folks who are industrialists etc..
I know plenty of folks who are in small corps and never had problems with being wardeced in empire and if you are that afraid of a wardec dont join a corp. There are plenty of folks in NPC corps. Dont just complain, do something. Channel macrointel meet with likeminded folks, spottings,intel |
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Vertical Aim
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Posted - 2006.03.17 03:53:00 -
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Originally by: HUGO DRAX With all the new influx of WoW players, and EQ players who are used to risk free gaming they will eventually outnumber the folks who enjoyed EvE for its realistic PvP risks. These folks will have the power to make EvE into an NPC hunt game where PvP is only available in 0.0 with restrictions. I have noticed more folks whining regarding things being "Unfair" etc.. than ever. What do you think, will the carebears win and the gamecontent change to make them happy as they begin to outnumber the folks initially attracted to EvE?
There are some statements in this post that make no sense to me.
1.) Current system any corp (guild) can declare war on any other no matter size of corps, ok fine but why is a corp with BILLIONS in its pocket paying the same as one with 20 million in its pocket? THIS IS RISK FREE GAMING at its best.
2.) It seems to me that new players are welcomed by CCP as this is the only way they will continue to make a profit, So do you really expect the game to stay EXACTLY the same as when it had 1,000 subscribers and now its pushing 101k?
3.) Wars in empire space is fine but it should depend on each sovereignty to allow you to come into their space with 100 ships and start blowing @#%@! up. Otherwise get rid of sovereignties altogether as they are only set up for cute little fictional storylines.
4.) I've never played EQ I have played wow for like 2 seconds, and I was a long time lineage2 player, NOW that game has RISK as the moment you step out of any town you are free game, its numbers have totally dropped because total anarchy doesnt work in the real or gaming world. To many idiots that will destroy the game for pve and pvpers alike.
5.) I venture to say that most of the new subscribers ccp is ALWAYS boosting about are looking for a good mix of pvp and pve, you need to stop this "carebear" crap because if everyone from WoW and EQ that are carebears starting playing this game the "carebears" would outnumber you 100:1, and beleive it or not money talks much louder than any whiney anticarebear post you or anyone else want to put up.
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Silver Night
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Posted - 2006.03.17 04:08:00 -
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Well, Anyone who doesn't like eve can leave. I've been playing since near the begining as a 'carebear' and everything is fine for me. If you can't deal with the chance of a war dec, stay in the noob corp. This game is at its very basis about PvP. It's not about making it fair so you don't feel threatened, its about people being able to hire a merc corp to put you out of business if youa re thier competiton, ar a pirate corp being able to try and extort money from a fat mining corp in empire with a war.
On the whole 100 man PvP corp declaring on innocent industrialists in empire, or on small corps, its unusual. Why bother? Msot have better things to do. Plus a war between a large corpa nd a small corp almost invariably gives the advantage to the small corp if they don't ahve thier heads in their collective ass. It is actually almost always a small corp declaring on a larger in my experience. I've had 15 man corps dclare on ICT (120-170 members) repeatedly trying to extort money. And thats a facet of the game I value, thier ability ot try, even if we crush them(or at least resist paying them off) for trying it.
As far as I'm concerned, there is nothing wrong with the current mechanics of the corp/war dec/etc system. Feel free and raise points as to whats wrong though, always interested to hear what others might ahve to say. -------------- Director. Caldari Patriot. Murderer of (his own) Frigates. |
Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2006.03.17 04:10:00 -
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I think eve is doing fine, its walking the middle path.
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Vertical Aim
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Posted - 2006.03.17 04:13:00 -
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Originally by: Silver Night Well, Anyone who doesn't like eve can leave. I've been playing since near the begining as a 'carebear' and everything is fine for me. If you can't deal with the chance of a war dec, stay in the noob corp. This game is at its very basis about PvP. It's not about making it fair so you don't feel threatened, its about people being able to hire a merc corp to put you out of business if youa re thier competiton, ar a pirate corp being able to try and extort money from a fat mining corp in empire with a war.
On the whole 100 man PvP corp declaring on innocent industrialists in empire, or on small corps, its unusual. Why bother? Msot have better things to do. Plus a war between a large corpa nd a small corp almost invariably gives the advantage to the small corp if they don't ahve thier heads in their collective ass. It is actually almost always a small corp declaring on a larger in my experience. I've had 15 man corps dclare on ICT (120-170 members) repeatedly trying to extort money. And thats a facet of the game I value, thier ability ot try, even if we crush them(or at least resist paying them off) for trying it.
As far as I'm concerned, there is nothing wrong with the current mechanics of the corp/war dec/etc system. Feel free and raise points as to whats wrong though, always interested to hear what others might ahve to say.
Easy for you to say "just leave" your not the one that will be losing money, CCP will. And eventually it will get so costly that things will be looked at the investors will be sure of that
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2006.03.17 04:14:00 -
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Originally by: Dust Angel
Originally by: Luigi Thirty Without carebears, who would manufacture your T2 railguns? :)
NAGA
NAGA is there to cater to the carebear PvPer.
Remind me about The Maze.
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Silver Night
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Posted - 2006.03.17 04:20:00 -
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Edited by: Silver Night on 17/03/2006 04:25:16 Edited by: Silver Night on 17/03/2006 04:24:12 Edited by: Silver Night on 17/03/2006 04:22:56 They ahve paid off thier investors already. And are a privately held company. Also they already have surpassed thier projected profits etc. And like I said (Though in my edit, im afraid) you can carebear if you want. PvP doesn't need changing. If youa re afraid of war decs, call ina merc corp. You know, I don't actually see all that many people leaving eh? Its a niche sort of game. Like I said, I'm not a PvPer. I've only shot at a few players in my entire tenure in game. But i manage jsut fine. Its not WOW, its not EQ, and its not L2. Its Eve, and the system you attack is the basis of what it is. Its what the game is about. So yes, if you dont' like it, leave.
And anothe Edit: If they wanted to cater to the "Elf n the woods crying abotu how everyone's sword is bigger than thiers" crowd. They would have. Eve is different. The Dev's actually care about the game. And there are plenty of games for that crowd already, they don't need another one. On the other hand, those of us who enjoy Eve don't ahve any other options. Cause, you know, if there was enough extra awesome int eh world for another Eve-like game, the planet might well explode.
Edit2: and that would be a drag. Edit3: Cause I wouldn't be abel to play Eve anymore. And yes, I know my typing is horrible. Yet another hardship you ahve to endure in connection wiht this game. I weep for you. Really. -------------- Director. Caldari Patriot. Murderer of (his own) Frigates. |
Telemicus Thrace
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Posted - 2006.03.17 05:21:00 -
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Originally by: Vertical Aim
Originally by: Silver Night Well, Anyone who doesn't like eve can leave. I've been playing since near the begining as a 'carebear' and everything is fine for me. If you can't deal with the chance of a war dec, stay in the noob corp. This game is at its very basis about PvP. It's not about making it fair so you don't feel threatened, its about people being able to hire a merc corp to put you out of business if youa re thier competiton, ar a pirate corp being able to try and extort money from a fat mining corp in empire with a war.
On the whole 100 man PvP corp declaring on innocent industrialists in empire, or on small corps, its unusual. Why bother? Msot have better things to do. Plus a war between a large corpa nd a small corp almost invariably gives the advantage to the small corp if they don't ahve thier heads in their collective ass. It is actually almost always a small corp declaring on a larger in my experience. I've had 15 man corps dclare on ICT (120-170 members) repeatedly trying to extort money. And thats a facet of the game I value, thier ability ot try, even if we crush them(or at least resist paying them off) for trying it.
As far as I'm concerned, there is nothing wrong with the current mechanics of the corp/war dec/etc system. Feel free and raise points as to whats wrong though, always interested to hear what others might ahve to say.
Easy for you to say "just leave" your not the one that will be losing money, CCP will. And eventually it will get so costly that things will be looked at the investors will be sure of that
I know plenty of guys in Eve who never set foot in low sec and have never been war decced. They are quite happy doing what they are doing and accept there are things like Dreads they will never get to fly unless they move to low sec. They have adapted to Eve and accepted it for what it is.
There are also a few who refused to adapt and they have left Eve, despite this Eve grows and continues to break records.
Adapt or leave, Eve will not stop being PvP centric just because you don't like it no matter how much you whine. Read up on some dev responses in other threads.
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Herko Kerghans
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Posted - 2006.03.17 05:31:00 -
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Originally by: Vertical Aim 1.) Current system any corp (guild) can declare war on any other no matter size of corps, ok fine but why is a corp with BILLIONS in its pocket paying the same as one with 20 million in its pocket?
Aye.
This situation is completely ridiculous. I mean, imagine for example that at McDonalds they charged me exactly the same amount for a Big Mac as they would charge, say, Bill Gates; that would be totally....
eh... wait, never mind...
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Mnengli Noiliffe
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Posted - 2006.03.17 05:38:00 -
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hey it's pvpers who keep whining all the time .. remove instas, boost pirates, nerf freighters, whaa whaa whaa
carebers are just counter-whining here :)
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.03.17 05:48:00 -
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Originally by: HUGO DRAX These folks will have the power to make EvE into an NPC hunt game where PvP is only available in 0.0 with restrictions.
This. I challenge this initial assumption. Although it's true of some MMOs, Eve does not bend to the will of the players or lean power, in the name of balance, in the favour of the people who complain the most.
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Precusor
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Posted - 2006.03.17 05:57:00 -
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Originally by: Vertical Aim
Originally by: Silver Night Well, Anyone who doesn't like eve can leave. I've been playing since near the begining as a 'carebear' and everything is fine for me. If you can't deal with the chance of a war dec, stay in the noob corp. This game is at its very basis about PvP. It's not about making it fair so you don't feel threatened, its about people being able to hire a merc corp to put you out of business if youa re thier competiton, ar a pirate corp being able to try and extort money from a fat mining corp in empire with a war.
On the whole 100 man PvP corp declaring on innocent industrialists in empire, or on small corps, its unusual. Why bother? Msot have better things to do. Plus a war between a large corpa nd a small corp almost invariably gives the advantage to the small corp if they don't ahve thier heads in their collective ass. It is actually almost always a small corp declaring on a larger in my experience. I've had 15 man corps dclare on ICT (120-170 members) repeatedly trying to extort money. And thats a facet of the game I value, thier ability ot try, even if we crush them(or at least resist paying them off) for trying it.
As far as I'm concerned, there is nothing wrong with the current mechanics of the corp/war dec/etc system. Feel free and raise points as to whats wrong though, always interested to hear what others might ahve to say.
Easy for you to say "just leave" your not the one that will be losing money, CCP will. And eventually it will get so costly that things will be looked at the investors will be sure of that
Doubt that would be the case.. seeing as CCP has allready paid there investors off.. plus
CCP has a very strong and loyal fan base
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Nimie
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Posted - 2006.03.17 06:24:00 -
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Edited by: Nimie on 17/03/2006 06:25:36
Originally by: Herko Kerghans
Originally by: Vertical Aim 1.) Current system any corp (guild) can declare war on any other no matter size of corps, ok fine but why is a corp with BILLIONS in its pocket paying the same as one with 20 million in its pocket?
Aye.
This situation is completely ridiculous. I mean, imagine for example that at McDonalds they charged me exactly the same amount for a Big Mac as they would charge, say, Bill Gates; that would be totally....
eh... wait, never mind...
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a little off. mcdonalds sells big macs for money. npcs war fees are suppose to be an entry barrier to war since they have no need for money. that barrier mostly dissapears as corps gets bigger.
anyhows, i think ccps choice, should those things happens, is a happier(?) playerbase or shiny expensive cars. i wonder what they'll do.
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Topodo
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Posted - 2006.03.17 06:25:00 -
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If previous experience holds true, the only way we have to worry about EVE getting ruined by player majority is if some bigwig publishing company comes in, takes ownership of EVE, walks into a board meeting, rubs their hands together and says, "Ok, let's figure out how to make this game REALLY successful..."
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Hesed
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Posted - 2006.03.17 06:29:00 -
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The can nerf us all they wish.
We will still find a way to make you cry.
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Da Death
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Posted - 2006.03.17 06:31:00 -
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RUSH is what we need PvP gives us RUSH. RUSH won't die! RUSH 4tw!
Selling: Absolution - Curse - Gleam S - BPC's - check my bio
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Jaddor
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Posted - 2006.03.17 06:35:00 -
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There is a reason people are leaving games like WoW for EvE and its not the missions.
Nerfing PvP in eve would destroy its one true nitch.
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Nimie
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Posted - 2006.03.17 07:00:00 -
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i belive eve's charm point is that it let's you do almost everything. pvp isn't all there is to this game and i belive it will truly be ruined when it forces everyone to pvp.
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Emmerich Steiner
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Posted - 2006.03.17 07:53:00 -
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Originally by: Vertical Aim
Easy for you to say "just leave" your not the one that will be losing money, CCP will. And eventually it will get so costly that things will be looked at the investors will be sure of that
You are free to leave if you don't like the game.. Just make sure you tell me first and give me another excuse to pick up another account... Wee need to make sure Ovuer is well supplied with Booze and Blow up dolls :D
Eve-Online hold a niche market, the people who play this game like the way it is "in a general sense". And from the beat of the drum from the dev's it's going to keep this pace. They are not going to dumb it down into space-WOW so they can make extra revenue.
And I severaly doubt carebears will ever outnumber us "non-carebears"... As most people feel the need to use force to solve problems at some point in time. Real carebears are the whiney people who complain about how the game doesn't protect them from risk... and if you look at it there are not too many (they are just extremely vocal).
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Emmerich Steiner
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Posted - 2006.03.17 08:04:00 -
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Originally by: Murukan you ever stop to realize that many of the WoW players (well atleast for me) came here cause we didn't want such a linear game and considering pvp in WoW might be one of the most retarded systems every (considering it is just another form of farming)
Yeah, I stopped playing eve for a bit (kept triang skills though :D) for wow... And as soon as I realized that the rush from PvP in WOW was almost non-existant I dumped it and came back.
When there is no RISK, there is no POINT!
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.03.17 08:05:00 -
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Originally by: HUGO DRAX With all the new influx of WoW players, and EQ players who are used to risk free gaming they will eventually outnumber the folks who enjoyed EvE for its realistic PvP risks. These folks will have the power to make EvE into an NPC hunt game where PvP is only available in 0.0 with restrictions. I have noticed more folks whining regarding things being "Unfair" etc.. than ever. What do you think, will the carebears win and the gamecontent change to make them happy as they begin to outnumber the folks initially attracted to EvE?
I and many came from SWG lovin eve's pvp heck if this game wasnt this pvp driven I wouldnt be here. Also know of ppl from EQ2 etc that came to this game for the pvp and "risky" gameplay. Bottomline if they cant take it they would have left ppl still staying in the game and hating it (general game mechanics) are few and a bunch of nubs...
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