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Jack Rippster	Posted - 2006.03.17 08:23:00 - [31] Originally by: HUGO DRAX With all the new influx of WoW players, and EQ players who are used to risk free gaming they will eventually outnumber the folks who enjoyed EvE for its realistic PvP risks. These folks will have the power to make EvE into an NPC hunt game where PvP is only available in 0.0 with restrictions. I have noticed more folks whining regarding things being "Unfair" etc.. than ever. What do you think, will the carebears win and the gamecontent change to make them happy as they begin to outnumber the folks initially attracted to EvE? Ans you think these folks are carebears such as your self? haha keep dreaming pal
Sirilonwe	Posted - 2006.03.17 08:36:00 - [32] CCP will never remove PVP from EVE. If they'd wanted a game for the masses they would have do so in the beginning. Not now, that they have a solid basis of players which feeds them. Remember, they do this game because it was a dream, not to make a shyt load of money. If they really wanted to do only money, they would have done "World of Everquest" or something like this. ____________________________________ Free ISP users, read this if you have connections problems [b]I'm on Eris side!
Sir Juri	Posted - 2006.03.17 08:38:00 - [33] hehhe phantasy star online perhaps? Im a noob, bear with me :P
Hohenheim OfLight	Posted - 2006.03.17 08:55:00 - [34] just one thing to all the people who say that cpp wount get $$ in their eye's and change, we are talking about the company here who are going to back up their homes and move to another country to pay less tax. If their willing to leave their home land and friends to pay less tax their willing to do any thing for $$. ----------------------------------------------
Sir Juri	Posted - 2006.03.17 08:59:00 - [35] Edited by: Sir Juri on 17/03/2006 08:59:51 Originally by: Hohenheim OfLight just one thing to all the people who say that cpp wount get $$ in their eye's and change, we are talking about the company here who are going to back up their homes and move to another country to pay less tax. If their willing to leave their home land and friends to pay less tax their willing to do any thing for $$. wow your askin for a flame you prolly couldnt be more wrong and comparin' the 2 and saying "leave there homeland" ouch your comments hurt me and other ppl on so many lvl's, its the 21st century m8 get updated announcementflying aircrafts exists they will allow you to fly from iceland to england and everywhere in a matter of 1-2hours Im a noob, bear with me :P
Sharcy	Posted - 2006.03.17 09:00:00 - [36] Originally by: HUGO DRAX I have noticed more folks whining regarding things being "Unfair" etc.. than ever. That's funny, I find that the most whining comes from PvP-ers... -- Sonnema is recruiting!
Kryss Darkdust	Posted - 2006.03.17 09:00:00 - [37] Originally by: HUGO DRAX With all the new influx of WoW players, and EQ players who are used to risk free gaming they will eventually outnumber the folks who enjoyed EvE for its realistic PvP risks. These folks will have the power to make EvE into an NPC hunt game where PvP is only available in 0.0 with restrictions. I have noticed more folks whining regarding things being "Unfair" etc.. than ever. What do you think, will the carebears win and the gamecontent change to make them happy as they begin to outnumber the folks initially attracted to EvE? I can assure you with 100% certainty that not only will this never happen its more likely that pirating and PvP will get even greater support and being a carebear is going to get tougher and tougher. The Devs and Designers are all a bunch of drunk icelanders that designed this game so they themselves could gank carebears.
franny	Posted - 2006.03.17 09:33:00 - [38] Originally by: HUGO DRAX and EQ players who are used to risk free gaming I resent that comment Rallos Zek(the lootable PVP server there) for about 5yrs as a chanter my choices were die, run away screaming, or die(not quite, but close) (I actually had a DAOC player try to get me to switch a long time ago because it had realm PVP, when I asked why drop to realm he asked me which server I played, I responded Rallos, he said nevermind) I might be to nice to be a pirate but without pvp I get bored quick I just wish I found EVE about 2 yrs earlier ----------- /wtb Eris in a cage Sorry, she's not for sale. You can get Imaran for free though - Wrangler can I at least get someone decent? Sure, I'll let you know when I find one - Wrangler
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.03.17 09:41:00 - [39] Originally by: Luigi Thirty Without carebears, who would manufacture your T2 railguns? :) Me. And I'm no carebear
LWMaverick	Posted - 2006.03.17 09:47:00 - [40] Its unbelieveable how many people who call "balancing threads" for whinning... Its simply pathetic.. all you do is saying "OMGGETOVERITROFLLAMERS!!111", how about you spend some time telling the "OmgIWantaPVEServerOnly!111"-people to shut up, instead of telling the people who are discussing balancing issues to shut up. Non of youre usual crap is at any use and are not constructive at all. And no, EvE will not change because of the massive amount of mmorpg players from WoW are comming to EvE.. Im 101% sure of that.. No Dev would want that. /Mav

Sir Juri	Posted - 2006.03.17 09:48:00 - [41] Edited by: Sir Juri on 17/03/2006 09:49:23 well for defence on that is ppl crying "balance, balance!" most of em dont realise that it is allready balanced atleast on what they claim is unbalanced! Im a noob, bear with me :P
Hans Otto	Posted - 2006.03.17 09:50:00 - [42] Why do people think CCP would make more money if they would change what has made EVE so popular in the first place? There is absolutely no guarantee they would be successful if they decided to drastically change EVE. Just because there are very successful "care bear" MMOs out there doesn't mean EVE would be one of them if CCP decided to take that route. It could very well backfire and lead to ruin for them. They have got something great going here. They are making a game the way they want it to be and it is steadily growing and is more popular than ever. Why would they change what they are doing? I could see them changing the direction of EVE if they had been losing subscribers, but now? It would make no sense.
Sir Juri	Posted - 2006.03.17 09:54:00 - [43] Edited by: Sir Juri on 17/03/2006 09:54:50 Originally by: Hans Otto Why do people think CCP would make more money if they would change what has made EVE so popular in the first place? There is absolutely no guarantee they would be successful if they decided to drastically change EVE. Just because there are very successful "care bear" MMOs out there doesn't mean EVE would be one of them if CCP decided to take that route. It could very well backfire and lead to ruin for them. They have got something great going here. They are making a game the way they want it to be and it is steadily growing and is more popular than ever. Why would they change what they are doing? I could see them changing the direction of EVE if they had been losing subscribers, but now? It would make no sense. look at SOE when they changed Star Wars Galaxies to what all forum crying nerf wanting anti pvp ppl wanted! everyone left all those anti pvp ppl never stayed nooone liked the game. Conclusion ppl get ganked come here cry (if game changes to what they want) they realise it sux and they have nothing to get excited about and all leave... thats what happens when you let new ppl and ppl thgat sux cry about balancing/nerfing and let ppl that dont even have the game comment on what would make em buy it! Im a noob, bear with me :P
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2006.03.17 09:57:00 - [44] HUGO, can you try being less of a nub sometimes Population pressure won't change CCP's ideas much. It'll make them wonder why they're attracting all the wrong people to their game. Power to the players !
Sir Juri	Posted - 2006.03.17 09:59:00 - [45] yeah ppl just dont read the cover before buying the game I read all forums watched video's read faq's guides and features on this site etc. Now that I got the game I love it I know what I got into, I knew what I paid for ppl need to "read the cover" Im a noob, bear with me :P
Hohenheim OfLight	Posted - 2006.03.17 10:08:00 - [46] Originally by: Sir Juri Edited by: Sir Juri on 17/03/2006 snip I know their are plains but to claim tax befits they seek where every they move to depending on the country, some of them will requir them to live there for 8 months of the year, if not longer. Your argoument that they will be poping home every day is not a vald one. ----------------------------------------------
Sir Juri	Posted - 2006.03.17 10:12:00 - [47] Originally by: Hohenheim OfLight Originally by: Sir Juri Edited by: Sir Juri on 17/03/2006 snip I know their are plains but to claim tax befits they seek where every they move to depending on the country, some of them will requir them to live there for 8 months of the year, if not longer. Your argoument that they will be poping home every day is not a vald one. rofl what? first of you need to learn the laws/regulations for "traveling" lol in EU! and eurupoe if your not from here this is not USA to Mexico m8! so valid or not WHAT!? jesus if they do it or not who knows but saying theyll leave abondon there family/friends and homeland is WAY WRONG! thats an attack on the dev's character and doesnt belong on the forums in the first place and I bet the statement is WRONG!!! and that you argue this makes no sense whatsoever m8 AT ALL! Im a noob, bear with me :P
Lifewire	Posted - 2006.03.17 10:13:00 - [48] As long guns/missiles/smartbombs/drones do hurt another players ship there will be PVP in EVE. The question is only: will it be a good PVP-game? I want to add my opinion: PVP players are faithfull players. They might stay in EVE for years. A standard industrial player that is only interested in PVE will love EVE when he starts gaming. Then after he "worked" for months or maybe even years he will fe fed with the PVE content. He¦ll have tons of stuff, is extremly rich ingame and now will get boredoomed. The only way to get faithfull players in a MMOG is PVP. Hate for example makes people stay very long. So does friendship. PVPers develop strong friendships in this game when they fight hard battles together - comparable to the spirit of soldiers. Challange is the strongest reason to stay in EVE - the challange of real human enemys that think and trick you. If CCP wants my advice to this: dont care about all the PVE folks. They suscribe, play a while and then byebye. You can make it easy for them or hard, they¦ll leave anyway. CCPs PVPers are the persons that feed CCP for years and they are the people that write the real EVE story. They create real events like the Yulai incident or alliance wars. They create perfect marketing for CCP when they release their player made fraps videos. They keep EVE alive. Forum:http://www.tundragon.com/forum/ Movies:http://www.tundragon.com/pub/eveclips Killboard:http://www.tundragon.com/
Stig Caldar	Posted - 2006.03.17 10:22:00 - [49] More players = more targets
Drazys	Posted - 2006.03.17 11:15:00 - [50] Feh, cut the hypocritical "PvPers/Carebears"- dualism already. Some of the worst whining about CCP to change things "for sake of balance" and some of the worst PvP-risk-avoiding comes from ganker-types themselves. Eve is a PvP game and I wouldn't keep playing if it was something else, yet PvP at Eve comes in many more forms than just the blatant frag-fest that some people seem to think is the only form of PvP. Ganking X defenseless targets while avoiding anything that could be even remotely dangerous at PvP does not make one a "cool scary elite pirate" but just another form of "carebear" and nothing else. Same standards apply to all pilots equally, avoiding risks is avoiding risks no matter who the pilot is or what he/she has done.

O Thief	Posted - 2006.03.17 11:31:00 - [51] I'm very confident that the Devs will stay true to their beliefs in terms of keeping this game raw and PvP focused (not just in combat terms, but all aspects of player driven competition). However, when CCP has grown and the prospect of a stock floatation causes the $$ signs to flash in their eyes... well thats a different matter altogether. The lure of $$$$$ can corrupt even the most noble of intentions.
Roshan longshot	Posted - 2006.03.17 11:44:00 - [52] Originally by: HUGO DRAX With all the new influx of WoW players, and EQ players who are used to risk free gaming they will eventually outnumber the folks who enjoyed EvE for its realistic PvP risks. These folks will have the power to make EvE into an NPC hunt game where PvP is only available in 0.0 with restrictions. I have noticed more folks whining regarding things being "Unfair" etc.. than ever. What do you think, will the carebears win and the gamecontent change to make them happy as they begin to outnumber the folks initially attracted to EvE? Hugo, where have you been? You PvP players have been outnumbered from the get go. Where are all the players at? Thousands are in "safe" space not wanting to... A. Engage in combative PVP B. Get ganked by a gate camp C. Are really watching t.v. while their ships are busy minning away. PVE players already outnumber PVP players 10-1. Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter *pirate* or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box. We are not ebil forum police, for one thing I don't have a hat :( - Cortes
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2006.03.17 11:46:00 - [53] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 17/03/2006 11:46:06 Originally by: Roshan longshot PVE players already outnumber PVP players 10-1. No no. Non-cambat preferring pvp players outnumber combat-preferring pvp players 10:1 maybe. True pve players are alot rarer, and tbh it's discutable that there are any at all. Power to the players !
Ilmonstre	Posted - 2006.03.17 11:51:00 - [54] Originally by: Da Death RUSH is what we need PvP gives us RUSH. RUSH won't die! RUSH 4tw! so you are a big supporter of this corp and are saying hte russians will always be here
Bhaal	Posted - 2006.03.17 11:51:00 - [55] There has always been more carebears than PvP'ers in EVE... Nothing will ever change that... Either these new players will find a place in the game, or move on. In the process EVE may change many of these players to accept the harshness in PVP and they will be better gamers for it. The ones who leave will always find MMO's out there to suit their needs as pure PVE or consentual PVP players... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero
Usul Faust	Posted - 2006.03.17 11:57:00 - [56] Edited by: Usul Faust on 17/03/2006 11:57:06 Originally by: Jaddor There is a reason people are leaving games like WoW for EvE and its not the missions. Nerfing PvP in eve would destroy its one true nitch. Actually, Its because you eventually run out of stuff to do in WoW. After 7 months of playing WoW (6 of those at 60) i'd done everything it was possible to do in the game - except get Warlord pvp rank, but i just dodn't have enough time to go pro. When there's nothing left to do, you find somethign else to do. In Eve there's no mission structure or anything (agent missions just don't count, frankly) so you can keep finding new stuff to do forever. that's the difference. EDIT: and the pvp in WoW is great. have you even played it? no skills, just luck.
Argyll MacLeod	Posted - 2006.03.17 12:04:00 - [57] OMG!!! I won't be able to gate-camp frigates on my BC!!! Cry me a river!!!! Most of you "hardcores" only PVP when the chips are stacked in your favor. Even though the game mechanics are not gonna change, you whine even worse than carebears.
Arduinne	Posted - 2006.03.17 12:11:00 - [58] Edited by: Arduinne on 17/03/2006 12:16:46 Maybe a PVP free region, but i doubt it Good way to root out the macro miners
Sir Juri	Posted - 2006.03.17 12:15:00 - [59] .... /yawns* *give's up on nubblets! Im a noob, bear with me :P
Niccolado Starwalker	Posted - 2006.03.17 12:17:00 - [60] Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 17/03/2006 12:19:10 Originally by: Gonada carebearss is whats wrong with the world today. kill em all. Gonada, in some ways you can call me a Carebear since I prefer PvE. But that does not mean I will scream about having EVE nerfed! TBH. I really really love EVE and the way it works. And maybe, one day, I will learn to love PvP too. When it comes to the game. I doubt that EVE Dev Team will be so stupid to hit on the "oh nerf the game" wagon, from the new players. Theres many reasons for it, and the most weighty one is this: This game have exsisted for 3 years now, and the game still grews in size every day, while the other games, who have listened to thsese people, Like SOE, Now looses more and more players! If someone dont like this game, which I do respect ofcource, then they should find a game you like, instead of wasting their energy crying for nerfs.



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