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bundy bear
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Posted - 2006.03.18 14:49:00 -
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Yeah but you cant justify a tier 1 BS outdamageing autocannons at close range and railthrons at long range because it does slightly less damage against armor.
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Rule2k
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Posted - 2006.03.18 14:53:00 -
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IMHO 425II's are only good in fleet battles....1v1 with geddon/raven = nono, could just be my **** skills tho 
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twit brent
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Posted - 2006.03.18 14:58:00 -
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Currently the tachy geddon out damage the 425mm rail thron by over 18% I think it is. I think this alone makes up for it doing less damage to armor.
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Forsch
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Posted - 2006.03.18 14:58:00 -
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Edited by: Forsch on 18/03/2006 15:00:45
 Originally by: bundy bear
Yeah but you cant justify a tier 1 BS outdamageing autocannons at close range and railthrons at long range because it does slightly less damage against armor.
Hehe. This graph is with 0 velocity and 0 transversal. Ever compared tracking of autocannons with tachyons? If you place your ship infront of a tachyon geddon and don't move it's your own fault. 
Edit: Also, a tachyon fitted ship won't have much of a tank. While a tempest with autocannons does have quite a good one. Even without moving, the tempest would most likely win.
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Wilfan Ret'nub
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Posted - 2006.03.18 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: Forsch
Ever compared tracking of autocannons with tachyons?
Well, next thing you'll discover that pulse lasers track even better than ACs. What then - a petition to nerf megapulses (again)?
If it hasn't occured to you yet - don't bring short range weapons into a thread about sniping.
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Nyxus
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Posted - 2006.03.18 15:22:00 -
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If the absolute lack of any type of repper on the geddon and the inability to fire for more than 45sec doesn't count against the geddon........
.....overall DPS shouldn't matter either since it's all about volley damage.
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Forsch
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Posted - 2006.03.18 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Wilfan Ret'nub
If it hasn't occured to you yet - don't bring short range weapons into a thread about sniping.
That's what the graph did, not me.  Of course it's silly to compare Autocannons to Tachyons.
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Slaveabuser
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Posted - 2006.03.18 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: twit brent
Well you dont PvP much dont you.
These days only on rare occasions. I wish I was the ubar pvp like you though, because then my argument would be so much more valid.
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Slaveabuser
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Posted - 2006.03.18 15:53:00 -
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Edited by: Slaveabuser on 18/03/2006 15:53:52
Originally by: twit brent
because when used in a team with my megathron we can do lots of damage very fast. (Im sure some huzzah or stain guys can vouch for this?).
Rubbish. Insert ANY ship with a certian setup with your mega and and a given situasion and you can do lots of damage fast.
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Alzion
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Posted - 2006.03.18 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Slaveabuser
Edited by: Slaveabuser on 18/03/2006 15:53:52
Originally by: twit brent
because when used in a team with my megathron we can do lots of damage very fast. (Im sure some huzzah or stain guys can vouch for this?).
Rubbish. Insert ANY ship with a certian setup with your mega and and a given situasion and you can do lots of damage fast.
^ what he said, try using calculations w/ a Tach Apoc vs. a 425mm megathron.
Also keep in mind that 425mm has the best range out of all the large guns, this is a big tactical advantage for sniper fights.
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Wulfgard
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Posted - 2006.03.18 19:05:00 -
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Best ceptor = Taranis
Best T1 cruiser = Thorax
One of the best HAC = Deimos
Best Tier 1 BS = Dominix
This said, the Megathron isnt the best Tiers 2 BS, hmmm what could we do... Hmm maybe listen to you guys and nerf megapulse, nerf Geddon, nerf Tachyons, nerf AC , nerf Tempest so we have a clear winner
EMP, the best dmg type to have for pvp????
Most people who really pvp and armor tank will use 3 energ nano membranes T2, making EMP resists very high.
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Gary Goat
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Posted - 2006.03.18 20:07:00 -
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One of the best HAC = Deimos
Deimos? One of the best HACs??!?!
It is arguably on of the WORST hacs around. Mabey you ment ishtar?
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Rule2k
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Posted - 2006.03.18 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: Wulfgard
Best ceptor = Taranis
Best T1 cruiser = Thorax
One of the best HAC = Deimos
Best Tier 1 BS = Dominix
Best ceptor = Crow
Best T1 cruiser = Thorax
Best HAC = ishtard or bagavond? (cerainly not a deimos)
Best Tier 1 BS = Dominix
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dazedandconfused
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Posted - 2006.03.18 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: Wulfgard
One of the best HAC = Deimos
Don't you mean the Sacrilege?
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.03.18 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Rule2k
Best T1 cruiser = Thorax
I'm afraid minmatar stole that one with the Mk2 project :)
and yeah, it's good to see 1400mms out-ranging everyone... lol
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Hamatitio
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Posted - 2006.03.18 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Alzion
Also keep in mind that 425mm has the best range out of all the large guns, this is a big tactical advantage for sniper fights.
Not really true tbh.
With t2 ammo and 2x tracking computers, my 425 II's give me 187km with 24km fall off.
With t2 ammo and 2x tracking computers, phonix's 1400 II's give him 186km with 43km fall off.
So a 1400 is actually better for long range fleet battles
Oh, and no need to bring tracking into this, as at 180km, tracking doesn't mean ****.
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Ras Blumin
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Posted - 2006.03.19 03:55:00 -
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Originally by: Wilfan Ret'nub
Well, next thing you'll discover that pulse lasers track even better than ACs. What then - a petition to nerf megapulses (again)?
Pulses actually track the worst of closerange guns. Even the Dual Heavy Pulse Laser track worse than the 800mm AC and the Neutron Blaster Cannon.
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nahtoh
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Posted - 2006.03.19 05:11:00 -
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Originally by: Ras Blumin
Originally by: Wilfan Ret'nub
Well, next thing you'll discover that pulse lasers track even better than ACs. What then - a petition to nerf megapulses (again)?
Pulses actually track the worst of closerange guns. Even the Dual Heavy Pulse Laser track worse than the 800mm AC and the Neutron Blaster Cannon.
pulses are med range weapon are they not?
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Posted - 2006.03.19 09:26:00 -
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Originally by: Dreez
According to those graphs, the tachgeddon does more dmg upclose
then the ACtempest with d650s. When at their optimal range, NO
guns should do more dmg then ACs or blasters...
qft
and yes, its not bs cause in most of the killmails i get its always a geddon/apoc at top 
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Slaveabuser
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Posted - 2006.03.19 11:08:00 -
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Edited by: Slaveabuser on 19/03/2006 11:10:46
Originally by: nahtoh
Originally by: Ras Blumin
Originally by: Wilfan Ret'nub
Well, next thing you'll discover that pulse lasers track even better than ACs. What then - a petition to nerf megapulses (again)?
Pulses actually track the worst of closerange guns. Even the Dual Heavy Pulse Laser track worse than the 800mm AC and the Neutron Blaster Cannon.
pulses are med range weapon are they not?
Yup. But they are the Amarr short range guns if you get my drift.
Maybe all the megathron whiners are right, lets not do anything to tachyons. But only if the devs adjust so gallente
and Minmatar has no long range weapons that is
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.03.19 11:16:00 -
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Edited by: Sarmaul on 19/03/2006 11:15:58
wrong thread
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God forbid
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Posted - 2006.03.19 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: Marskalkur
tachyons need a boost imo. maybe the problem is the Armageddon has a RoF bonus?
a damage bonus instead of the RoF bonus for the armageddon would lower the DPS, but would give the ship a bit more cap to work with. might be worth looking into?
Not a bad Idea, But Yes tachs need a boost, But it says.. "tech 1 from 4.25 to 4.5." Did they just boost t1 or what.. 
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twit brent
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Posted - 2006.03.19 11:41:00 -
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If you know how to snipe transversal and tracking mean very little.
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.03.19 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: God forbid
Originally by: Marskalkur
tachyons need a boost imo. maybe the problem is the Armageddon has a RoF bonus?
a damage bonus instead of the RoF bonus for the armageddon would lower the DPS, but would give the ship a bit more cap to work with. might be worth looking into?
Not a bad Idea, But Yes tachs need a boost, But it says.. "tech 1 from 4.25 to 4.5." Did they just boost t1 or what..
Well, i guess the change of the t1 will spread thru named, faction, t2..
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Exuscon
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Posted - 2006.03.19 11:54:00 -
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I thought Beam lasers are better for med-long range?
T2 Tachs?
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Corphus
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Posted - 2006.03.19 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: ElCoCo
I realy disagree that em/therm is the worst dmg type, at least in pvp.
On the subject, with their fitting requirements, yes I do believe that tachyons should be better dmg-wise than 425's.
However their tracking needs to go down a notch.
i dont think that the fitting requirements argument carries much weigth in this discussion since the geddon, the cheaper bs of the amarr has more power grid than the gallente megathron.
amarr ships have the best power grid in general, obviously because of their grid hungry weapon type. imo 425mm IIs are solid longrange weapons and should be compareable with tachyons since they are the strongest longrange gun gallente have to offer.
dispite the high cap use of tachyons this guns are a supreme weapon and can outdamage pretty everything. imo they are far from needing a boost.
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Alpdruck
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Posted - 2006.03.19 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: Corphus
i dont think that the fitting requirements argument carries much weigth in this discussion since the geddon, the cheaper bs of the amarr has more power grid than the gallente megathron.
Yes, because having 1000 more PG totally makes up for the fact that Tachyons use 1250 PG more than 425s... per gun.
And Tachyons use 30 cap more per shot than Megabeams. Even at Amarr BS 5 they use ~47, which is 17 more than 425s. It is very easy to shoot oneself dry with Tachyons, especially on an Armageddon.
Of course, since the stacking changes, it is not as bad as before to fit PG mods instead of damages mods. Still, Tachyons are quite hard to fit.
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StarLite
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Posted - 2006.03.19 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: Ras Blumin
wtf
wtf! a domi with guns and no drones 
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Crellion
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Posted - 2006.03.19 14:43:00 -
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best this best that best my ***
If you really think tachyons need a boost ... I guess you only use ammar. There not one (1) other reason to support this.
(And Sarmaul is right -in the usual 1v1 sense- the order is indeed:
Crow/Claw, Rupture (Maller?), Zealot/Ishtar, Raven/Geddon/Domi. Thorax was hit hard with RMR. A bit extra powergrid does nothing for it. Its a shadow of the old Rax.)
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Crellion
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Posted - 2006.03.19 14:46:00 -
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Originally by: Alpdruck
Originally by: Corphus
i dont think that the fitting requirements argument carries much weigth in this discussion since the geddon, the cheaper bs of the amarr has more power grid than the gallente megathron.
Yes, because having 1000 more PG totally makes up for the fact that Tachyons use 1250 PG more than 425s... per gun.
And Tachyons use 30 cap more per shot than Megabeams. Even at Amarr BS 5 they use ~47, which is 17 more than 425s. It is very easy to shoot oneself dry with Tachyons, especially on an Armageddon.
Of course, since the stacking changes, it is not as bad as before to fit PG mods instead of damages mods. Still, Tachyons are quite hard to fit.
Another post that is either biased or ignorant. Compare cap of Apoc with cap of Mega and grid of Apoc with grid of Mega (AFTER taking into account fitting skills) and read your post agin. Does it still hold true???
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