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hylleX
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Posted - 2006.03.19 15:35:00 -
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Well when amarr got shafted like we have been the latest 3 patches then its all good right? (pulse range nerf, then came the ammo nerf which basically made us do only EM damage and then the dmg mod nerf, which applies to other ships aswell but the geddon took the worst hit). And now u whine about tachs gettin 5% more dps, clueless is what ya all are. Especially Kaeten 
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Spokesperson
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Posted - 2006.03.19 15:43:00 -
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 Originally by: Crellion
Another post that is either biased or ignorant.
Unlike yours?
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Alpdruck
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Posted - 2006.03.19 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: Crellion
Another post that is either biased or ignorant. Compare cap of Apoc with cap of Mega and grid of Apoc with grid of Mega (AFTER taking into account fitting skills) and read your post agin. Does it still hold true??? 
Since when is answering to another post ignorant or biased?
You obviously have all the numbers ready, else you would not ask the question, so how about posting them for discussion instead of trying to discredit other posters? Calling me biased or ignorant does not further your point the least.
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Idara
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Posted - 2006.03.19 23:19:00 -
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ph34r the EM damage at max range with a sniper setup.
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Nyxus
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Posted - 2006.03.20 01:02:00 -
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Originally by: Crellion
Another post that is either biased or ignorant. Compare cap of Apoc with cap of Mega and grid of Apoc with grid of Mega (AFTER taking into account fitting skills) and read your post agin. Does it still hold true???
How about less ad hominum attacks? It just makes your arguements look weaker.
Since you have the numbers please post them for discussion. Please remember to post the dps of the tachypoc too.
It would be nice to get a chart of comparitive fittings with skills as well since that plays a HUGE part. If you are going to complain, please put all the numbers together when you post so it doesn't look like so much of a whine.
Nyxus
Macgyver can build an airplane out of gum and paper clips, but Chuck Norris can kill him and take it.
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Nebuli
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Posted - 2006.03.20 02:40:00 -
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Originally by: Idara
ph34r the EM damage at max range with a sniper setup.
Actualy if you are shooting another BS with Thermal, Explosive and Kinetic hardners which is pretty common EM is the lowest resist on shield and armour.
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Posted - 2006.03.20 03:06:00 -
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I have flown a Tach t2 Geddon and it does insane dmg, everyone who have done this can confirm it so I am not sure that it needs a boost.
And to those who say; "yeah, we do great dmg on shield but not on armor" need to think one step further.
How much dmg do you think a Mega does on shield? And when the Mega finally have penetrated the shield (which is usually hardent against Hybrid dmg)the Mega still have to struggle a bit beacuse most ships have resists against Kin/thermal on their armor aswell.
And the ones that say that pulses are short range weapons...pls! How many Geddons do you see out there whit a MWD, Cap injector and a webber?
the day that 250 dual L Rails (or 350 Rails even) are as good as L Pulse lasers is the day I kiss ccp right on the mouth.
Thacs do good dmg, its alfa strike is only betterd by 1400mm t2 and this is a fact....they dont need a boost.
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Theron Gyrow
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Posted - 2006.03.20 08:48:00 -
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Originally by: Alpdruck
Originally by: Crellion
Another post that is either biased or ignorant. Compare cap of Apoc with cap of Mega and grid of Apoc with grid of Mega (AFTER taking into account fitting skills) and read your post agin. Does it still hold true???
Since when is answering to another post ignorant or biased?
You obviously have all the numbers ready, else you would not ask the question, so how about posting them for discussion instead of trying to discredit other posters? Calling me biased or ignorant does not further your point the least.
Well, I am not the original poster, but:
Apocalypse cap at maxed skills: 7500
Megathron cap: 5625
They have the same cap recharge time.
Cap used by tachyons per second with maxed skills: 3.96 = 5.28/10000 of the full cap
Cap used by 425mms per second with maxed skills: 3.27 = 5.81/10000 of the full cap
8 tachs take 4.24/1000 of the Apoc's full cap.
7 425mms take 4.07/1000 of the Mega's full cap.
3.8% more relative cap use for 8.2% more damage, no ammo use and better tracking (even with Mega's new 37.5% tracking bonus). I'd call that at least a fair deal even if Apoc needs to use two low slots to fit them.
Upping that damage advantage to 14.5%... might be excessive.
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Naughty Boy
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Posted - 2006.03.20 09:06:00 -
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Originally by: Nyxus
Since you have the numbers please post them for discussion. Please remember to post the dps of the tachypoc too.
Figures... (current stats, and no, no 'geddon, only the apoc).
Alpha strike
30 seconds
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Cap usage
^^ wasn't properly tested so it's not certified 100% accurate.
Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy.
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BlueOrca
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Posted - 2006.03.20 09:58:00 -
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425s T2 will outdamage Tachs, but only on the new Tire3 Caldari BS, and only if the bonuses are 10% range and 5% to rails damage.
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.03.20 10:00:00 -
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Theyre doing it 'cos Tachyons arent different enough to Megabeams'.
And because they aren't different enough, they get a boost.*****eyed logic.
I don't suppose the thought of nerfing Megabeams instead entered anyone's mind...
There used to be a sig here, but I got bored of it.
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Alpdruck
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Posted - 2006.03.20 10:04:00 -
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Originally by: Theron Gyrow
3.8% more relative cap use for 8.2% more damage, no ammo use and better tracking (even with Mega's new 37.5% tracking bonus). I'd call that at least a fair deal even if Apoc needs to use two low slots to fit them.
Thanks. Well, the new stacking formula allows for more fitting mods, since you do not need to cram the lows full of damage mods, which makes fitting Tachs easier. What about range?
@Naughty Boy: This is probably with the old Tachyon damage mod, right? Could you run the proposed damage mod, too? And why the differences in fitting (3 TCs vs. 2 TCs and 1 TE?).
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Tassi
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Posted - 2006.03.20 10:17:00 -
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Originally by: Testy Mctest
Theyre doing it 'cos Tachyons arent different enough to Megabeams'.
And because they aren't different enough, they get a boost.*****eyed logic.
I don't suppose the thought of nerfing Megabeams instead entered anyone's mind...
I use lasers only and I dont want to see my megabeams getting nerfed just to make tachyons "viable", you dont need to nerf stuff to balance, to buff stuff is also an option.
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Ruah Piskonit
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Posted - 2006.03.20 11:10:00 -
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Who got it in their minds, the very idea that you would fit Tachs on a Geddon. . . its not only foolish, its expensive and foolish.
The Geddon is a nice ship, but where were you a year ago when the Gankaddon was the king of DPS but weak on tanking? I see nothing has changed. . . Get an AF to kill it for you.
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Emsigma
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Posted - 2006.03.20 11:17:00 -
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Compare apoc with 3x damage mods, 2x tracking comps, 2x reactor controls and 8x tach t2 vs a megat with 7x 425mm t2, 4x damage mods and 2x tracking comps. Both at maxed out skills.
Seems like the Tachyons allready outdamages the 425mm very much.
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Ras Blumin
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Posted - 2006.03.20 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Ruah Piskonit
Who got it in their minds, the very idea that you would fit Tachs on a Geddon. . .
Probably someone who wanted the most damaging (raw dpswise) sniper. What's so odd about that?
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