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twit brent
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Posted - 2006.03.17 12:39:00 -
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My friend and I like to snipe and camp him in his geddon and me in my megathron. We both have BS lvl V and tech II weapons. Our skill builds are fairly similiar. MY battleships cost 40 mill more than his and my weapons usually cost a few mill more each. Our battleships work realy well together expecially hitting cruisers and battlecruisers. We make sure he fires first so he strips the shields using his EM and thermal then my burst comes half a second l8r ripping into the armor with kinetic and thermal. Then his seconds burst will finish off any armor then hit the structure. Anyway despite my ship costing alot more his outdamages mine by a reasonable amount (something like 10%). When we want better burst damage his tachyons beat my 425's by further still. So why the boost? The geddon already does awesome damage at longish range and the dmg mod change will be boosting the burst damge till it starts competing with the tempest (which only has burst damage because of its ****e ROF)
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twit brent
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Posted - 2006.03.18 05:15:00 -
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Also his pulses own my blasters. With tech II ammo his pulses can hit very hard at 50km+
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Thomas Torquemada
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Posted - 2006.03.18 06:37:00 -
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Your doing different damage types hense the differences in damage, hasnt got anything to do with the guns themselves sucking or owning.
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Lunarfury
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Posted - 2006.03.18 06:51:00 -
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You two are snipping which means you didn't use your drones. Since you took out most of the armor and some shield, that means your friend in geddon don't have to deal with the armor much. That shows you the perfect co-operation between the ships. To compare damage, you two should fire at same time record the combat log then see who do more damage at the end.
Besides, railguns got better range, did you park further away from the target than geddon? If at same distance, I'm sure can use better ammo to increase your damage. Honestly, I don't see how snipping can proof a weapon is justify for it's fitting requirments. It is just too extreme. Try take that tachyon geddon into a lvl 4 mission see how well it does. I'm sure your friend will come back in a pod faster than than the railthron.
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twit brent
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Posted - 2006.03.18 07:51:00 -
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Most people harden against kinetic before they go for EM hardeners. Also I see more and more cruisers these days fitting large shield extenders. Lasers pwn shield and 425mm pwn armor. That is ofcourse if there are no hardeners on. Geddon will outdamage the megathron to arround 80km I think it is. Then it picks up again when the geddon user uses tech II long range crystals out to about 170-180ish I think it is.
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Ras Blumin
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Posted - 2006.03.18 08:22:00 -
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wtf
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Tiuwaz
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Posted - 2006.03.18 08:27:00 -
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 Originally by: Ras Blumin
wtf
 wtf
Originally by: Oveur
****! Lets nerf it!
To the nerfmobile!
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Xanta
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Posted - 2006.03.18 08:31:00 -
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Originally by: Ras Blumin
wtf
maybe tachs and megabeam being too alike should be a nerf to megabeam not a boost to tachs :/
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Dreez
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Posted - 2006.03.18 09:53:00 -
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According to those graphs, the tachgeddon does more dmg upclose
then the ACtempest with d650s. When at their optimal range, NO
guns should do more dmg then ACs or blasters...
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.03.18 10:04:00 -
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You didn't know that already or it's some kind of lame topic to get your 425mm II boosted? lol
Seriously, Amarr are getting kisses on the ass once again with a damage increase on tachyons. The gap between a armageddon VS megathron damage will be even bigger.
Truely amazing isn't it. 
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Cadadon
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Posted - 2006.03.18 10:55:00 -
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Geddon with T2 tach's ain't gonna be firing for long before it runs out of cap. There's your balance :)
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.03.18 11:05:00 -
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Originally by: Cadadon
Geddon with T2 tach's ain't gonna be firing for long before it runs out of cap. There's your balance :)
Who needs cap when the target will probably be dead before then? There's nothing that says you cannot have a carrier at a SS or on field with a capital energy transfer array. A support cruiser with energy transfer array or his Megathron buddy with a Large energy transfer array right next to him.
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twit brent
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Posted - 2006.03.18 11:43:00 -
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I think the cap lasts for arround 2 full minutes. Get out your calculator and see how much damage the geddon can put out in those 2 minutes.
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.03.18 11:52:00 -
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With Energy management 5
A tachyon II with Whatever***AmmoItUsesForLongRangeT2 + amarr bs 5 + Controlled burst 5... a Full volley uses 249 cap.
With the cap you got... it's 21 volley before you cap out, without taking in cap recharge.
Now, I'm way too lazy to check the ROF of the guns, But it's long enough
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Shirei
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Posted - 2006.03.18 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Cadadon
Geddon with T2 tach's ain't gonna be firing for long before it runs out of cap. There's your balance :)
Noone said he can't fit cap relays or rechargers..
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Junara
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Posted - 2006.03.18 12:13:00 -
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What are your exact builds?
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twit brent
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Posted - 2006.03.18 12:18:00 -
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Tachygeddon can be fitted like this
High
7 tachyon II's
Med
2/3 sensor booster II's
1 tracking computer
Low
3 heat sink II's
2 RCU II's
3 tracking enhancer II's or 2 and a med rep.
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Junara
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Posted - 2006.03.18 12:29:00 -
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So straight up gank, no tank at all.
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.03.18 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: Junara
So straight up gank, no tank at all.
Durrrrrr, Need i slap you with the hand of the OBVIOUS.
It's a sniping setup.
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Stephen HB
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Posted - 2006.03.18 12:39:00 -
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In raw DPS the TachGeddon is superior, but what about tracking? I thought tachs had issues with anything moving faster than about 3m/s.
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Slaveabuser
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Posted - 2006.03.18 12:41:00 -
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Edited by: Slaveabuser on 18/03/2006 12:41:27
Who in their right mind fits tachyons on a geddon, unless they know exactly who they are fighing/their numbers/they wont have any backup?
It doesnt matter if your damage output is high when you dont have any cap to do anythng else but fire x volleys.
I have never seen anyone but a few fit tachs on a geddon. And those who did were someone who got killed. The only time Ive seen it was during the FoE-Xetic war. Some Xetic guys had tach geddons and they died faster than anyone could say pie.
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.03.18 12:45:00 -
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Originally by: Stephen HB
In raw DPS the TachGeddon is superior, but what about tracking? I thought tachs had issues with anything moving faster than about 3m/s.
AHAHA right
Originally by: Ithildin
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MissileRus
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Posted - 2006.03.18 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Tiuwaz
Originally by: Ras Blumin
wtf
wtf
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.18 13:26:00 -
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Large beam lasers have crap falloff AND ridiculous grid requirements, combined with the worst damage types in the game.
They're certainly not overpowered.
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twit brent
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Posted - 2006.03.18 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: Slaveabuser
Edited by: Slaveabuser on 18/03/2006 12:41:27
Who in their right mind fits tachyons on a geddon, unless they know exactly who they are fighing/their numbers/they wont have any backup?
It doesnt matter if your damage output is high when you dont have any cap to do anythng else but fire x volleys.
I have never seen anyone but a few fit tachs on a geddon. And those who did were someone who got killed. The only time Ive seen it was during the FoE-Xetic war. Some Xetic guys had tach geddons and they died faster than anyone could say pie.
Well you dont PvP much dont you.
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Marskalkur
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Posted - 2006.03.18 13:46:00 -
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tachyons need a boost imo. maybe the problem is the Armageddon has a RoF bonus?
a damage bonus instead of the RoF bonus for the armageddon would lower the DPS, but would give the ship a bit more cap to work with. might be worth looking into?
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gron alt
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Posted - 2006.03.18 13:48:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Large beam lasers have crap falloff AND ridiculous grid requirements, combined with the worst damage types in the game.
They're certainly not overpowered.
imo EM + thermal is good dmg type.
its great VS caldari and galante hacs,
its great vs anyone that hardens armor with 1kin 1 therm 1 exp since em is then weakest point on both shields and armor
the only time EM sucks is when A BS fits 3x energized adaptive nanos which gives it about 80% EM resistance, but for one they are rare becase it costs about 10mil for 3x EAN2 and also a lot of people dont tank their BS at all, ie snipers
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Forsch
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Posted - 2006.03.18 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: gron alt
.. and also a lot of people dont tank their BS at all, ie snipers
Exactely. And then EM/Thermal are the worst dmg types.
This whole discussion is ridiculous. You are getting worked up about a very small boost to a weapon that is not used much at all. Huge fitting requirements and huge cap use (even with a ship bonus used on it) are enough of a drawback to justify this small boost.
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twit brent
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Posted - 2006.03.18 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Forsch
Originally by: gron alt
.. and also a lot of people dont tank their BS at all, ie snipers
Exactely. And then EM/Thermal are the worst dmg types.
This whole discussion is ridiculous. You are getting worked up about a very small boost to a weapon that is not used much at all. Huge fitting requirements and huge cap use (even with a ship bonus used on it) are enough of a drawback to justify this small boost.
If you find yourself shooting for more than a few minutes in a tachygeddon you are doing something wrong. Dont say that its balanced because of the damge types they do because when used in a team with my megathron we can do lots of damage very fast. (Im sure some huzzah or stain guys can vouch for this?).
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ElCoCo
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Posted - 2006.03.18 14:32:00 -
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I realy disagree that em/therm is the worst dmg type, at least in pvp.
On the subject, with their fitting requirements, yes I do believe that tachyons should be better dmg-wise than 425's.
However their tracking needs to go down a notch.
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bundy bear
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Posted - 2006.03.18 14:49:00 -
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Yeah but you cant justify a tier 1 BS outdamageing autocannons at close range and railthrons at long range because it does slightly less damage against armor.
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Rule2k
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Posted - 2006.03.18 14:53:00 -
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IMHO 425II's are only good in fleet battles....1v1 with geddon/raven = nono, could just be my **** skills tho 
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twit brent
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Posted - 2006.03.18 14:58:00 -
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Currently the tachy geddon out damage the 425mm rail thron by over 18% I think it is. I think this alone makes up for it doing less damage to armor.
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Forsch
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Posted - 2006.03.18 14:58:00 -
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Edited by: Forsch on 18/03/2006 15:00:45
Originally by: bundy bear
Yeah but you cant justify a tier 1 BS outdamageing autocannons at close range and railthrons at long range because it does slightly less damage against armor.
Hehe. This graph is with 0 velocity and 0 transversal. Ever compared tracking of autocannons with tachyons? If you place your ship infront of a tachyon geddon and don't move it's your own fault. 
Edit: Also, a tachyon fitted ship won't have much of a tank. While a tempest with autocannons does have quite a good one. Even without moving, the tempest would most likely win.
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Wilfan Ret'nub
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Posted - 2006.03.18 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: Forsch
Ever compared tracking of autocannons with tachyons?
Well, next thing you'll discover that pulse lasers track even better than ACs. What then - a petition to nerf megapulses (again)?
If it hasn't occured to you yet - don't bring short range weapons into a thread about sniping.
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Nyxus
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Posted - 2006.03.18 15:22:00 -
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If the absolute lack of any type of repper on the geddon and the inability to fire for more than 45sec doesn't count against the geddon........
.....overall DPS shouldn't matter either since it's all about volley damage.
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Forsch
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Posted - 2006.03.18 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Wilfan Ret'nub
If it hasn't occured to you yet - don't bring short range weapons into a thread about sniping.
That's what the graph did, not me.  Of course it's silly to compare Autocannons to Tachyons.
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Slaveabuser
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Posted - 2006.03.18 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: twit brent
Well you dont PvP much dont you.
These days only on rare occasions. I wish I was the ubar pvp like you though, because then my argument would be so much more valid.
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Slaveabuser
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Posted - 2006.03.18 15:53:00 -
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Edited by: Slaveabuser on 18/03/2006 15:53:52
Originally by: twit brent
because when used in a team with my megathron we can do lots of damage very fast. (Im sure some huzzah or stain guys can vouch for this?).
Rubbish. Insert ANY ship with a certian setup with your mega and and a given situasion and you can do lots of damage fast.
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Alzion
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Posted - 2006.03.18 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Slaveabuser
Edited by: Slaveabuser on 18/03/2006 15:53:52
Originally by: twit brent
because when used in a team with my megathron we can do lots of damage very fast. (Im sure some huzzah or stain guys can vouch for this?).
Rubbish. Insert ANY ship with a certian setup with your mega and and a given situasion and you can do lots of damage fast.
^ what he said, try using calculations w/ a Tach Apoc vs. a 425mm megathron.
Also keep in mind that 425mm has the best range out of all the large guns, this is a big tactical advantage for sniper fights.
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Wulfgard
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Posted - 2006.03.18 19:05:00 -
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Best ceptor = Taranis
Best T1 cruiser = Thorax
One of the best HAC = Deimos
Best Tier 1 BS = Dominix
This said, the Megathron isnt the best Tiers 2 BS, hmmm what could we do... Hmm maybe listen to you guys and nerf megapulse, nerf Geddon, nerf Tachyons, nerf AC , nerf Tempest so we have a clear winner
EMP, the best dmg type to have for pvp????
Most people who really pvp and armor tank will use 3 energ nano membranes T2, making EMP resists very high.
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Gary Goat
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Posted - 2006.03.18 20:07:00 -
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Quote:
One of the best HAC = Deimos
Deimos? One of the best HACs??!?!
It is arguably on of the WORST hacs around. Mabey you ment ishtar?
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Rule2k
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Posted - 2006.03.18 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: Wulfgard
Best ceptor = Taranis
Best T1 cruiser = Thorax
One of the best HAC = Deimos
Best Tier 1 BS = Dominix
Best ceptor = Crow
Best T1 cruiser = Thorax
Best HAC = ishtard or bagavond? (cerainly not a deimos)
Best Tier 1 BS = Dominix
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dazedandconfused
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Posted - 2006.03.18 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: Wulfgard
One of the best HAC = Deimos
Don't you mean the Sacrilege?
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.03.18 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Rule2k
Best T1 cruiser = Thorax
I'm afraid minmatar stole that one with the Mk2 project :)
and yeah, it's good to see 1400mms out-ranging everyone... lol
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Hamatitio
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Posted - 2006.03.18 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Alzion
Also keep in mind that 425mm has the best range out of all the large guns, this is a big tactical advantage for sniper fights.
Not really true tbh.
With t2 ammo and 2x tracking computers, my 425 II's give me 187km with 24km fall off.
With t2 ammo and 2x tracking computers, phonix's 1400 II's give him 186km with 43km fall off.
So a 1400 is actually better for long range fleet battles
Oh, and no need to bring tracking into this, as at 180km, tracking doesn't mean ****.
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Ras Blumin
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Posted - 2006.03.19 03:55:00 -
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Originally by: Wilfan Ret'nub
Well, next thing you'll discover that pulse lasers track even better than ACs. What then - a petition to nerf megapulses (again)?
Pulses actually track the worst of closerange guns. Even the Dual Heavy Pulse Laser track worse than the 800mm AC and the Neutron Blaster Cannon.
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nahtoh
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Posted - 2006.03.19 05:11:00 -
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Originally by: Ras Blumin
Originally by: Wilfan Ret'nub
Well, next thing you'll discover that pulse lasers track even better than ACs. What then - a petition to nerf megapulses (again)?
Pulses actually track the worst of closerange guns. Even the Dual Heavy Pulse Laser track worse than the 800mm AC and the Neutron Blaster Cannon.
pulses are med range weapon are they not?
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Posted - 2006.03.19 09:26:00 -
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Originally by: Dreez
According to those graphs, the tachgeddon does more dmg upclose
then the ACtempest with d650s. When at their optimal range, NO
guns should do more dmg then ACs or blasters...
qft
and yes, its not bs cause in most of the killmails i get its always a geddon/apoc at top 
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Slaveabuser
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Posted - 2006.03.19 11:08:00 -
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Edited by: Slaveabuser on 19/03/2006 11:10:46
Originally by: nahtoh
Originally by: Ras Blumin
Originally by: Wilfan Ret'nub
Well, next thing you'll discover that pulse lasers track even better than ACs. What then - a petition to nerf megapulses (again)?
Pulses actually track the worst of closerange guns. Even the Dual Heavy Pulse Laser track worse than the 800mm AC and the Neutron Blaster Cannon.
pulses are med range weapon are they not?
Yup. But they are the Amarr short range guns if you get my drift.
Maybe all the megathron whiners are right, lets not do anything to tachyons. But only if the devs adjust so gallente
and Minmatar has no long range weapons that is
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.03.19 11:16:00 -
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Edited by: Sarmaul on 19/03/2006 11:15:58
wrong thread
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God forbid
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Posted - 2006.03.19 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: Marskalkur
tachyons need a boost imo. maybe the problem is the Armageddon has a RoF bonus?
a damage bonus instead of the RoF bonus for the armageddon would lower the DPS, but would give the ship a bit more cap to work with. might be worth looking into?
Not a bad Idea, But Yes tachs need a boost, But it says.. "tech 1 from 4.25 to 4.5." Did they just boost t1 or what.. 
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twit brent
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Posted - 2006.03.19 11:41:00 -
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If you know how to snipe transversal and tracking mean very little.
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.03.19 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: God forbid
Originally by: Marskalkur
tachyons need a boost imo. maybe the problem is the Armageddon has a RoF bonus?
a damage bonus instead of the RoF bonus for the armageddon would lower the DPS, but would give the ship a bit more cap to work with. might be worth looking into?
Not a bad Idea, But Yes tachs need a boost, But it says.. "tech 1 from 4.25 to 4.5." Did they just boost t1 or what..
Well, i guess the change of the t1 will spread thru named, faction, t2..
Originally by: Ithildin
Q: Will the Gallente ship have lots of missiles? I think it's time.
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Exuscon
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Posted - 2006.03.19 11:54:00 -
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I thought Beam lasers are better for med-long range?
T2 Tachs?
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Corphus
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Posted - 2006.03.19 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: ElCoCo
I realy disagree that em/therm is the worst dmg type, at least in pvp.
On the subject, with their fitting requirements, yes I do believe that tachyons should be better dmg-wise than 425's.
However their tracking needs to go down a notch.
i dont think that the fitting requirements argument carries much weigth in this discussion since the geddon, the cheaper bs of the amarr has more power grid than the gallente megathron.
amarr ships have the best power grid in general, obviously because of their grid hungry weapon type. imo 425mm IIs are solid longrange weapons and should be compareable with tachyons since they are the strongest longrange gun gallente have to offer.
dispite the high cap use of tachyons this guns are a supreme weapon and can outdamage pretty everything. imo they are far from needing a boost.
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Alpdruck
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Posted - 2006.03.19 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: Corphus
i dont think that the fitting requirements argument carries much weigth in this discussion since the geddon, the cheaper bs of the amarr has more power grid than the gallente megathron.
Yes, because having 1000 more PG totally makes up for the fact that Tachyons use 1250 PG more than 425s... per gun.
And Tachyons use 30 cap more per shot than Megabeams. Even at Amarr BS 5 they use ~47, which is 17 more than 425s. It is very easy to shoot oneself dry with Tachyons, especially on an Armageddon.
Of course, since the stacking changes, it is not as bad as before to fit PG mods instead of damages mods. Still, Tachyons are quite hard to fit.
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StarLite
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Posted - 2006.03.19 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: Ras Blumin
wtf
wtf! a domi with guns and no drones
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Crellion
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Posted - 2006.03.19 14:43:00 -
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best this best that best my ***
If you really think tachyons need a boost ... I guess you only use ammar. There not one (1) other reason to support this.
(And Sarmaul is right -in the usual 1v1 sense- the order is indeed:
Crow/Claw, Rupture (Maller?), Zealot/Ishtar, Raven/Geddon/Domi. Thorax was hit hard with RMR. A bit extra powergrid does nothing for it. Its a shadow of the old Rax.)
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Crellion
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Posted - 2006.03.19 14:46:00 -
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Originally by: Alpdruck
Originally by: Corphus
i dont think that the fitting requirements argument carries much weigth in this discussion since the geddon, the cheaper bs of the amarr has more power grid than the gallente megathron.
Yes, because having 1000 more PG totally makes up for the fact that Tachyons use 1250 PG more than 425s... per gun.
And Tachyons use 30 cap more per shot than Megabeams. Even at Amarr BS 5 they use ~47, which is 17 more than 425s. It is very easy to shoot oneself dry with Tachyons, especially on an Armageddon.
Of course, since the stacking changes, it is not as bad as before to fit PG mods instead of damages mods. Still, Tachyons are quite hard to fit.
Another post that is either biased or ignorant. Compare cap of Apoc with cap of Mega and grid of Apoc with grid of Mega (AFTER taking into account fitting skills) and read your post agin. Does it still hold true???
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hylleX
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Posted - 2006.03.19 15:35:00 -
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Well when amarr got shafted like we have been the latest 3 patches then its all good right? (pulse range nerf, then came the ammo nerf which basically made us do only EM damage and then the dmg mod nerf, which applies to other ships aswell but the geddon took the worst hit). And now u whine about tachs gettin 5% more dps, clueless is what ya all are. Especially Kaeten
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Spokesperson
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Posted - 2006.03.19 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Crellion
Another post that is either biased or ignorant.
Unlike yours?
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Alpdruck
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Posted - 2006.03.19 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: Crellion
Another post that is either biased or ignorant. Compare cap of Apoc with cap of Mega and grid of Apoc with grid of Mega (AFTER taking into account fitting skills) and read your post agin. Does it still hold true???
Since when is answering to another post ignorant or biased?
You obviously have all the numbers ready, else you would not ask the question, so how about posting them for discussion instead of trying to discredit other posters? Calling me biased or ignorant does not further your point the least.
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Idara
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Posted - 2006.03.19 23:19:00 -
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ph34r the EM damage at max range with a sniper setup.
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Nyxus
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Posted - 2006.03.20 01:02:00 -
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Originally by: Crellion
Another post that is either biased or ignorant. Compare cap of Apoc with cap of Mega and grid of Apoc with grid of Mega (AFTER taking into account fitting skills) and read your post agin. Does it still hold true???
How about less ad hominum attacks? It just makes your arguements look weaker.
Since you have the numbers please post them for discussion. Please remember to post the dps of the tachypoc too.
It would be nice to get a chart of comparitive fittings with skills as well since that plays a HUGE part. If you are going to complain, please put all the numbers together when you post so it doesn't look like so much of a whine.
Nyxus
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Posted - 2006.03.20 02:40:00 -
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Originally by: Idara
ph34r the EM damage at max range with a sniper setup.
Actualy if you are shooting another BS with Thermal, Explosive and Kinetic hardners which is pretty common EM is the lowest resist on shield and armour.
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Posted - 2006.03.20 03:06:00 -
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I have flown a Tach t2 Geddon and it does insane dmg, everyone who have done this can confirm it so I am not sure that it needs a boost.
And to those who say; "yeah, we do great dmg on shield but not on armor" need to think one step further.
How much dmg do you think a Mega does on shield? And when the Mega finally have penetrated the shield (which is usually hardent against Hybrid dmg)the Mega still have to struggle a bit beacuse most ships have resists against Kin/thermal on their armor aswell.
And the ones that say that pulses are short range weapons...pls! How many Geddons do you see out there whit a MWD, Cap injector and a webber?
the day that 250 dual L Rails (or 350 Rails even) are as good as L Pulse lasers is the day I kiss ccp right on the mouth.
Thacs do good dmg, its alfa strike is only betterd by 1400mm t2 and this is a fact....they dont need a boost.
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Posted - 2006.03.20 08:48:00 -
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Originally by: Alpdruck
Originally by: Crellion
Another post that is either biased or ignorant. Compare cap of Apoc with cap of Mega and grid of Apoc with grid of Mega (AFTER taking into account fitting skills) and read your post agin. Does it still hold true???
Since when is answering to another post ignorant or biased?
You obviously have all the numbers ready, else you would not ask the question, so how about posting them for discussion instead of trying to discredit other posters? Calling me biased or ignorant does not further your point the least.
Well, I am not the original poster, but:
Apocalypse cap at maxed skills: 7500
Megathron cap: 5625
They have the same cap recharge time.
Cap used by tachyons per second with maxed skills: 3.96 = 5.28/10000 of the full cap
Cap used by 425mms per second with maxed skills: 3.27 = 5.81/10000 of the full cap
8 tachs take 4.24/1000 of the Apoc's full cap.
7 425mms take 4.07/1000 of the Mega's full cap.
3.8% more relative cap use for 8.2% more damage, no ammo use and better tracking (even with Mega's new 37.5% tracking bonus). I'd call that at least a fair deal even if Apoc needs to use two low slots to fit them.
Upping that damage advantage to 14.5%... might be excessive.
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Posted - 2006.03.20 09:06:00 -
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Originally by: Nyxus
Since you have the numbers please post them for discussion. Please remember to post the dps of the tachypoc too.
Figures... (current stats, and no, no 'geddon, only the apoc).
Alpha strike
30 seconds
infinite fight
Cap usage
^^ wasn't properly tested so it's not certified 100% accurate.
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Posted - 2006.03.20 09:58:00 -
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425s T2 will outdamage Tachs, but only on the new Tire3 Caldari BS, and only if the bonuses are 10% range and 5% to rails damage.
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Posted - 2006.03.20 10:00:00 -
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Theyre doing it 'cos Tachyons arent different enough to Megabeams'.
And because they aren't different enough, they get a boost.*****eyed logic.
I don't suppose the thought of nerfing Megabeams instead entered anyone's mind...
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Alpdruck
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Posted - 2006.03.20 10:04:00 -
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Originally by: Theron Gyrow
3.8% more relative cap use for 8.2% more damage, no ammo use and better tracking (even with Mega's new 37.5% tracking bonus). I'd call that at least a fair deal even if Apoc needs to use two low slots to fit them.
Thanks. Well, the new stacking formula allows for more fitting mods, since you do not need to cram the lows full of damage mods, which makes fitting Tachs easier. What about range?
@Naughty Boy: This is probably with the old Tachyon damage mod, right? Could you run the proposed damage mod, too? And why the differences in fitting (3 TCs vs. 2 TCs and 1 TE?).
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Posted - 2006.03.20 10:17:00 -
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Originally by: Testy Mctest
Theyre doing it 'cos Tachyons arent different enough to Megabeams'.
And because they aren't different enough, they get a boost.*****eyed logic.
I don't suppose the thought of nerfing Megabeams instead entered anyone's mind...
I use lasers only and I dont want to see my megabeams getting nerfed just to make tachyons "viable", you dont need to nerf stuff to balance, to buff stuff is also an option.
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Ruah Piskonit
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Posted - 2006.03.20 11:10:00 -
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Who got it in their minds, the very idea that you would fit Tachs on a Geddon. . . its not only foolish, its expensive and foolish.
The Geddon is a nice ship, but where were you a year ago when the Gankaddon was the king of DPS but weak on tanking? I see nothing has changed. . . Get an AF to kill it for you.
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Emsigma
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Posted - 2006.03.20 11:17:00 -
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Compare apoc with 3x damage mods, 2x tracking comps, 2x reactor controls and 8x tach t2 vs a megat with 7x 425mm t2, 4x damage mods and 2x tracking comps. Both at maxed out skills.
Seems like the Tachyons allready outdamages the 425mm very much.
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Ras Blumin
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Posted - 2006.03.20 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Ruah Piskonit
Who got it in their minds, the very idea that you would fit Tachs on a Geddon. . .
Probably someone who wanted the most damaging (raw dpswise) sniper. What's so odd about that?
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