I have to agree with the others here. I don't see any basis for your skepticism of the Higgs field. I've done some research into your points and I think you are mistaken about what is being said by the scientists. What they are finding is solid and tangible experimental data with which they are answering questions in science. I see nothing unscientific in their processes.

Poke away. Go!

I have nothing to say about your armchair interpretations of what specialized scientists have dedicated their lives to understanding. I was merely pointing out that your plebeian criticism of what they are trying to achieve is banal and insulting to say the least.

It's akin to hearing gripes about the domestic and foreign policies of nations from people who have little or no understanding of the complexities associated with government functions and interactions, not to mention cultural drivers.

These scientists are attempting to build a broader understanding of how this universe functions one step at a time, and here you come, faceless internet spaceship man, to tell us all how little "foresight" they have.

I don't know enough about this science to answer that, but I see nothing strange in the particle not being as they presumed it to be. Many scientists were worried it would turn out to be exactly what was estimated, and would effectively make particle physics have an "end" to the understanding. I, like many others, believed it would almost certainly surprise us. In every major scientific discovery there has always been something unexpected. Not just most of them, ALL of them. These unexpected things help explain why we didn't previously have all the answers to our questions.

They are finding a particle which they have reasons to justify it being a Higgs particle. It also has traits that they previously thought a Higgs particle couldn't have or shouldn't have, and this raises more questions. This is science and it is normal.

So you bow out then... because in fact, you actually know nothing about it. We understand

I have to agree with the majority of the insults you are getting here. I won't say them myself because I don't think it is wrong for a person to be skeptical. I just think you are missing too much of the picture and assuming you know too much. But that's good. Skeptics are good. I will never tell you to stop being a skeptic. I am going to disagree with you on this one, though.

Which simply shows I have more sense than you.

Now please, continue dazzling these EVE players with your copy/pasted material from textbooks and your second-rate understanding of physics. You're doing God's work, sir.

pose a legitimate counter argument

I am not posting here for fame, recognition or hoping it will "end well". I am posting here for exactly what I am getting, a bunch of nay sayers, faith driven science folk and one or two very smart people.

Wouldn't you be better off posting on, say, one of the countless forums dedicated to scientific discoveries, discussions and results interpretations? Or is there some concern that you might get laughed off of those?

If you had ever posted on one, you would know that you get one reply every few days because they are not active by any stretch of the word.

Wouldn't you be better off posting on, say, one of the countless forums dedicated to scientific discoveries, discussions and results interpretations? Or is there some concern that you might get laughed off of those?

Besides, you don't know if I am posting on other forums right now do you? I usually am. This subject... not yet. But I will probably do so soon. ATM I have other concepts cooking and I like to do one at a time, per forum I choose to associate with.

Seriously. What crap for a gaming forum, even if it's OOPE.

This Link is an interesting one, which also confirms that CERN was in fact built in order to detect the higgs field (which another poster gave me crap about but there it is in black and white I think it was baltec1 if memory serves.) That entire site is actually pretty cool.

Finding the higgs particle is just one job of many that the particle accelerator was built for. CERN itself is much older and is the place where many discoveries were made including the birth of the internet.

As for your other statements, Gravity, evolution and the big bang are also theories.

Whether or not the particle has been found, science isn't complete. Instead of fighting over nuances, personal attacks, pseudosciences and 'faith' in who's right, challenge all conclusions, doubt all facts and never stop trying to understand everything just a bit better than you do now.

Hmmm.... if only I could prove gravity (drops pen)
Hmmm.... if only I had a model for how evolution can change a physical form (looks at my dog and googles dog breeds)
Hmmm... if only there was something in the universe suggesting the big gang (looks at expansion and redshift)



Well... I guess I have some evidence there. Now show me something suggesting a universal wide field of Higgs particles.

You simply lack imagination

It is not the nuances that brings me to conflict, it is the questionable methods.