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Mr Scouty
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Posted - 2006.03.17 21:31:00 -
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Are force recon ships the ultimate pirate ships?
They're cruisers, with HAC like resistances that fly around cloaked. Im specifically thinking about the Pilgrim because im an Amarr pilot but im sure the others would work just fine.
Warp around the belts cloaked and find your target then creep up on him, once within range NOS his tank away. Scramble / Web and possibly jam?? Im sure you could happily take on almost everything you see in the belts. I was thinking about the following setup.
HIGHS
2 X Diminishing NOS
1 X 50W Neut
1 X CovOps Cloak
MIDS
2 X 20km Scrambler.
1 X 90% Webber
2 X Multispec II's (Or tracking Disruptor II's?)
LOWS
2 X 20% Across the board hardners.
1 X 800mm Plate
1 X 400mm Plate
1 X Small Armour Rep
This should give me around 4k armour and i'll be able to get away with the small rep because i'll be draining the enemy ship and its unlikley that i'll be taking too much fire. Amarr / Gallente ships need too much cap to sustain fire. Minmitar shoulddnt be a problem with the tracking disturptors / jammers.
Caldari pilots will be a little problem because i cant disrupt their missles which is why i was thinking more about jammers but 120 cap every 20 seconds? Hmhmhmmm...
Then again if a fight lasts more than 40 seconds whilst the other guy has no tank, then you probably made a mistake bye opening fire :P
Whats everyone elses thoughts?
(The above setup is with Recon ships lvl 4, and yes. It does all fit.)
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Rein Fallow
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Posted - 2006.03.17 21:37:00 -
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*Cough* I don't see any guns.
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Mr Scouty
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Posted - 2006.03.17 21:38:00 -
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The Pilgrim is a drone ship.
5 X Infiltrator II's.
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Rein Fallow
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Posted - 2006.03.17 21:39:00 -
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Coulda said that...And will 5 med drones do the job? Mebbe on cruisers/frigs, but on up?
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Malka Badi'a
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Posted - 2006.03.17 21:52:00 -
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And will 5 med drones do the job? Mebbe on cruisers/frigs, but on up?
I don't see Battlecruisers as a problem, as the point is to eliminate their tank through lack of capacitor. But asking why it wouldn't work on BSes is almost redundant. I don't expect my battlecruiser-killing assault frigate to eliminate titans.
Don't worry about him fitting for all situations. I think the parent post looks like an excellent idea.
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Keta Min
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Posted - 2006.03.17 22:16:00 -
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Edited by: Keta Min on 17/03/2006 22:18:00
for solo pirating you will usually need multiple warpscrams (most people have 2 stabs), also for taking on multiple ships (cruisers/BCs) a heavier tank might be better than EW.
edit: 3x nos, you dont need that neut.
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Malka Badi'a
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Posted - 2006.03.17 22:19:00 -
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edit: 3x nos, you dont need that neut.
I'd keep the neut on. The vamps are just to keep the setup running while the neuts help eliminate the capacitor of the enemy faster. The vamps will take to long to break a capacitor tank but the neut is going to give that edge.
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Rein Fallow
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Posted - 2006.03.17 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: Malka Badi'a
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And will 5 med drones do the job? Mebbe on cruisers/frigs, but on up?
I don't see Battlecruisers as a problem, as the point is to eliminate their tank through lack of capacitor. But asking why it wouldn't work on BSes is almost redundant. I don't expect my battlecruiser-killing assault frigate to eliminate titans.
Don't worry about him fitting for all situations. I think the parent post looks like an excellent idea.
Just saying, y'know. A Force Recon ship can get expensive, so while you might get lucky from time to time with nice loot carrying cruisers/BCs, you'll also get unlucky. But, then, with the multispecs, if they've got you scrambled, you can break the lock, hopefully. But, I DO think it's a good idea.
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Keta Min
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Posted - 2006.03.17 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Malka Badi'a
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edit: 3x nos, you dont need that neut.
I'd keep the neut on. The vamps are just to keep the setup running while the neuts help eliminate the capacitor of the enemy faster. The vamps will take to long to break a capacitor tank but the neut is going to give that edge.
3 med nos on a pilgrim are stronger than 3 heavy nos on a normal BS. ofcourse my setup is a bit different and i need that cap but BCs are usually cap-dead fast enough and they can't do much dmg anyway as that would be tanked or prevented by jamming.
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Gindar
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Posted - 2006.03.17 22:28:00 -
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how about this:
3x medium nos I
1x cloak
2x stasis web II
1x warp disruptor
1x afterburner II
1x sensor booster I
2x thermal hardener
1x kinetic hardener
1x em hardener
1x medium armor repairer II
3x garde sentry drones
uncloak for close range pwnage?
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Malka Badi'a
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Posted - 2006.03.17 22:31:00 -
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I worry about going close-range and using sentry drones. Isn't their tracking horrible for close-range engagements?
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Posted - 2006.03.17 22:40:00 -
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5 med t2 drones with pilgrims bonus will take out a BS when it cant rep just takes awhile.
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Beringe
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Posted - 2006.03.17 22:48:00 -
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Won't this (rather expensive) ship die a horrible death to drones or FoF's?
Seems kind of sketchy.
Although I guess if the goal is to kill people hunting in belts, the main concern is just getting to them and stopping them from leaving.
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Malka Badi'a
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Posted - 2006.03.17 22:50:00 -
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Won't this (rather expensive) ship die a horrible death to drones or FoF's?
Won't an art tempest die to a ship fitted with a MWD and close-range weaponry? Can't fit for all situations, but you can fit for most.
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Dexter Rast
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Posted - 2006.03.17 23:40:00 -
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the beuty with the force recon is that you pick your targets, only a daft pilot is going to attack anything it comes across,
its allowing you stealth, with decent setups available for the use of piracy, plus the added bonus if being able to move around low sec without insta`s which is a god send, also good for sitting out agression timers, im thinking force recons would make ideal pirate ships after intys and frigs
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Wee Dave
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Posted - 2006.03.17 23:43:00 -
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Erm yeah, remember it can warp while cloaked. Aside from log-on traps and VERY rapid responses from other systems, it is practically uncatchable.
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Jarek Naumen
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Posted - 2006.03.17 23:48:00 -
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Yeah Force/Combat Recon ships are very useful and quite deadly in the right hands.
Took on 2 Ravens with Brutix + Curse and it was pretty close fight but eventually both Ravens went pop  . Brutix had heavy tank (2x med t2 repper/ cap injector) and full rack of blasters while Curse had NOS/ECM.
Ofc they weren't very skilled Raven pilots but still  .
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Slink Grinsdikild
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Posted - 2006.03.18 00:04:00 -
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I've still not decided whether or not to train for them myself. Really the only ones worthwhile for piracy are the Pilgrim and Falcon, on paper at least.
While the Force Recons cloak, I think you'll be hard pressed to get the jump on anyone with a brain. Local + Scanner is a dead giveaway. To be honest you can make lightning strikes quicker in a HAC with more room for error (more: firepower, speed, tanking) incase the unexpected happens.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.03.18 00:22:00 -
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why put 2 20km scrams on a ship when you'll probably be within 7.5km 99% of the time?
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
I'm probably one of the biggest Bush fanboys in Eve...
This is like, Darth Vader, can't-reach-climax-without-killing-a-puppy evil.
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Beringe
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Posted - 2006.03.18 00:40:00 -
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Originally by: Malka Badi'a
Won't an art tempest die to a ship fitted with a MWD and close-range weaponry? Can't fit for all situations, but you can fit for most.
True enough.
I'll concede that this setup could handle a good range of targets, and since the pirate decide when to engage, there shouldn't be much danger.
I'd use a less expensive ship, myself, but then again I am terribly lazy when it comes to making isk.
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shakaZ XIV
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Posted - 2006.03.18 00:45:00 -
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Edited by: shakaZ XIV on 18/03/2006 00:47:13
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and its unlikley that i'll be taking too much fire.
maybe if you hunt cruisers and bc's in empire, i dont know. But if you are planning to kill battleships, you need to be able to tank heavy drones atleast (for a while, till you kill them with your own drones).
i sold my pilgrim, as i thought it was a jack of all trades, master of none type of ship :P but my setup was:
1x 20km scram (i used true sansha, but thats luxury, not necessary ;p)
1x 7,5 scram (domination, again, any 7,5k scram will do - the idea is having -3 points in total so stab wearing people dont get away as often)
1x caldari racial jammer II or fleeting web if you go to 0.0 and plan to catch people at gates... OR, a "balmer" tracking disruptor.
2x cap recharger II so you can keep your tank running even if the enemy's cap is dry.
2x medium rep II <-- tanks quite a lot, though dont expect to tank direct fire from a well fitted battleship.
n-type therm/kin hardeners
energized adaptive II
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missed the highslots ;p
3x nos, i think tech2 fits, if not --> diminishing or E50
1x covert cloak
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Destiny Defined
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Posted - 2006.03.18 01:01:00 -
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In my humble opinion. I say that it is not the ultimate pirate ship. As for me it defeats the point of pirating. Thats just creeping up and getting an easy kill. Takes the fun out of everything.
Pirating is all about fear. No fear is installed into the victim with a medium red box appearing 1km from them. With no hope of escape. For me, nothing will ever beat that big red box on overveiw.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.03.18 01:15:00 -
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They are good ships no doubt.
It's actually not that easy to sneak up on an awake pilot because you have the decloaking recalibration time.
I was in the fortunate (depending on your POV) position to be able to kill a vindicator with one with the help of a cerb and taranis. The TD bonus is invaluable and 5 mid-slots add huge versatility.
I'd only stay away from good raven pilots and domi / ishtar pilots since the resists are not really that good.
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Akat
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Posted - 2006.03.18 02:12:00 -
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Wouldn't call them the ultimate since the cloaking type doesn't have a lot of punch, but they are damn fun. I generally use the falcon myself and in a small group, flying as a "surprise" tackler is very effective. Although it can take a little bit of time, ramming the target usually solves the problem of targeting "recalibration."
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kessah
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Posted - 2006.03.18 04:35:00 -
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Edited by: kessah on 18/03/2006 04:38:11
*sigh* with respect no setup posted here about the pilgrim deserves looking at except the following.
3x med nos
1x co-cloak
2x warp scramblers *7.5km* -4
1x webber
2x Multispec ecm \ tracking disruptor, i find more safty with ecm myself..
2x med t2 reppers
2x low cpu req armour hardeners (not Active not t2)
1x CPU t2 (at level 4 you 'can' get away without)
now depending on your skill level you may want wcs instead of hardeners etc.
Reasons for this setup - You can warp cloaked? Right so range should never be a problem simply becus u have the first strike and surprise. This ship really is my bread and butter my two very favourite forms of combat.
Mainly for NPC'ers and miners, you 'can' play around on the gates but you should always have a scout.
You can even take on npc'in battleships in this ship, it can be done, just dont lose your drones!
btw 3x t2 Valk's 2x t2 Hammerheads 5x t2 light drones.
Its really how it should be setup imho, you can switch a scram with a 2nd web\ecm but i actually lost a ferox other day with -4 on him so it can be a mistake.
Also id like to add to the poster that feels its an easy kill with the pilgrim i say this:
You cant imagine the fun flying it and killing with it, creeping up on ships can be quite an art especially npc'ers.
I can only think that you havnt flow one as of yet? if so give it some more lub
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Foulis
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Posted - 2006.03.18 06:20:00 -
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Originally by: Malka Badi'a
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Won't this (rather expensive) ship die a horrible death to drones or FoF's?
Won't an art tempest die to a ship fitted with a MWD and close-range weaponry? Can't fit for all situations, but you can fit for most.
And in this case you get a good look at your oponent(even his combat abilites) before you even choose to engage. =D I like that feature very much.
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Jake Noble
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Posted - 2006.03.18 06:45:00 -
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Edited by: Jake Noble on 18/03/2006 06:50:56
I setup my pilgrim like this.
HIGHS
2 X Diminishing NOS
1 X 50W Neut
1 X Cloak
MIDS
1 X 90% webber
2 X 20km Scrambler
1 X ECM Burst
1 X Multispec
LOWS
2 X 400mm Plate
1 X 800mm Plate
1 X Thermic Hardner
1 X Med Rep II
5500 Armour makes a nice little tank for a cloaked cruiser. The dual med rep tank setup listed in many posts is pointless, you cannot sustain it. I realise that your nossing your target but 2 X Nos cant even sustain my neut, let alone a dual rep tank. And once your targets dry?
I tried it and diddnt like it.
The ECM Busrt comes in handy when your being attacked by drones, and it can even break the locks of tacklers that are orbiting too close.
**EDIT**
I use 20km scramblers instead of 7.5k's for one simple reason? Ever tried closing in on a moving ship when your max speed is 220 M/S?
That last 13.5km is a loooooong way. 20km's makes things much much easier.
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HUGO DRAX
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Posted - 2006.03.18 07:18:00 -
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Edited by: HUGO DRAX on 18/03/2006 07:19:42
I just dont see the point of all that fancy hardware to camp lowsec and pop a few T1 ships.
Just get a Tempest or Mega, cheaper and just as effective.
Let me add, if folks see a flasher in a shiny T2 ship of that nature, every PvPer in town is gonna want to break your toy.
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Lightof God
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Posted - 2006.03.18 07:29:00 -
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To continue to rain on your parade what if you run against a ferox or caldari pilot who passive tanks? you know those can regenerate as much as a normal booster setup and are not reliant on cap and because we use missiles we wont stop firing or tanking.
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Herko Kerghans
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Posted - 2006.03.18 07:41:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Scouty
Are force recon ships the ultimate pirate ships?
Hum... I dunno: the idea of creeping up a target is nice, but for the investment needed (isk and skillpoints), not sure if it is the best ship around.
While your setup looks good on paper, I find that the "render your target defenseless and kill him slowly" approach is countered, more often than not, by ye good ole 'cry for the cavalry' trick.
Basically, the advantage of any covop is that it allows you to get into your optimal range unnoticed; you don't need to worry (that much) about landing at 30 km of your target and him warping away before you approach and scramble him.
Now, paying all that money and training for that advantage, and then now having enough firepower to kill your target quickly, I dunno... on paper at least, doesn't look that hot.
That being said, and as a Buzzard junkie, flying around unseen is waaaaaaay fun, I agree! 
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