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KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.03.18 07:02:00 -
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Switch shield HP to Armor HP.............
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.03.18 10:08:00 -
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Edited by: KilROCK on 18/03/2006 10:09:41
Originally by: Dexter Rast tbh after the changes the phoon is going to be best without nos,
imagine a full ac/torp loadout with t2 heavy drones coming at you,
you have torps that will hit at all ranges, drones that are good up to 40km away and ac`s from 0-20km, plus a fast battleship that is able to dictate range.
all this about split weapon systems isnt a curse, its the minmatar way, forget about the raw dps etc.. this ship is about variation and adaptability,
rejoice for we are minmatar etc...
You won't kill alot of tanks by just spitting out damage on a large numbers of battleships without nos.
Nos helps your tanking and unless you fit a rcu, i doubt you'll be able to fit 4AC,4 siege/Cruise, Cap injector dual large rep. That's a good tank and you won't last if you don't 'fit' a cap injector with that kind of tank on a pvp typhoon.
As for drones, it's 45km with scout op 5. + 3km Per level of Electronic Warfare drones. so that's 60km max.
On a side note. As much as i hate this change since i have bassicly no missile skills to bother wasting 4 highslots on them rather than nos (yea the usual torp 4 and support skills 3-4 but that's not 'specced')... This change might force me to train torpedos 5 and therefor... make the naglfar worth using over the moros. (which im training for rather than naglfar).
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.03.18 11:02:00 -
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Edited by: KilROCK on 18/03/2006 11:02:55 I want:
10% damage to Cruise/torps explosive missiles, 5% to others per level.
Bring it, har har
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.03.18 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Severa Crest Edited by: Severa Crest on 18/03/2006 11:34:11 It still wont be worth fitting AC's, i say increase the proj rof bonus to 7.5%.
Actually, thats a darned GOOD idea. Megathron is getting 7.5% per level to tracking?
Hop hop, I want 37.5% on my tempest ROF!
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.03.18 11:48:00 -
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I wanted a falloff bonus -.- But what i want more is.. More armor than shield. A 5th turret would be nice but that would be overdoing it.
This bonus is nice. It gives caldari *****s a chance to use their uber missiles skills on typhoon with a bunch of nos! omg omg omg!
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.03.18 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak what a mess. We have only stuff in paper and everyone is saying "OMG SUX0R! SWITCH BONUS!"
Altho I agree that more grid + swaping shield hp for armour hp is also needed, why don't we all wait untill the damn test server is up to try out the new typhoon?
that said, TUX WE WANT THE DAMN TEST SERVER!
There's something we call math Grimpak, Try it sometimes. It lets you see the viable setups and their DPS and their ability to be useful.
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.03.18 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Pesadel0
Originally by: KilROCK
Originally by: Severa Crest Edited by: Severa Crest on 18/03/2006 11:34:11 It still wont be worth fitting AC's, i say increase the proj rof bonus to 7.5%.
Actually, thats a darned GOOD idea. Megathron is getting 7.5% per level to tracking?
Hop hop, I want 37.5% on my tempest ROF!
Mega is getting 7.5% ROF?.
But i agree with the OP i'am minmatar only and this bonus sucks ,yeah it could be good on a minmatar/caldari specialist ,but there are pipol that are committed 100% to their projectilles :).
As for notion that we need to train missiles to be efective?Hum that is simply not true i have 20M skills(6.5M in gunnary projectilles) and only 500K in missiles and i get along ok just fine .
No, All ships with 5% tracking hops to 7.5% per level, all with 7.5% hop to 10%. Read sticky.
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.03.18 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: dabster Split bonuses is RETARDED on a ship like Phoon.
Give it rof+dmg bonus to large projectiles, and 5 turrets, ya know, like a PROPER SHIP.
No bonus to damage, as it would make it a Mini tempest that can armor tank better, fields more drones, is faster and etc.
ROF + Another bonus designed for guns that isn't DAMAGE
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.03.18 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: dabster
Originally by: KilROCK
Originally by: dabster Split bonuses is RETARDED on a ship like Phoon.
Give it rof+dmg bonus to large projectiles, and 5 turrets, ya know, like a PROPER SHIP.
No bonus to damage, as it would make it a Mini tempest that can armor tank better, fields more drones, is faster and etc.
ROF + Another bonus designed for guns that isn't DAMAGE
I doubt it could tank better than a Tempest with its less pg/cpu/shields/armor/less med.
I said 'mini tempest' and by 'tank better', a lowslot is alot better for tanking than a midslot.
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.03.18 12:23:00 -
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Role - industrial ship popper
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.03.18 12:46:00 -
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drones bonus would make me wet somewhere.
Originally by: Ithildin Q: Will the Gallente ship have lots of missiles? I think it's time. A: Die. You are not worthy of life.
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.03.18 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: Aloysius Knight or how about we wait for sisi to come back ans try out the change before you lot start crying
You mean people actually TEST **** on that uh. I thought it was attacking my vagabond with nano nossing armageddons fitted with Quad Beam lasers. Sniping the living **** out of everything, seeing who sets up the most deadly pos or killing concord till you blow up and brag about it in local.
Seriously, no need to test it to see if it's good or bad. It's just 'meh'.
Originally by: Ithildin Q: Will the Gallente ship have lots of missiles? I think it's time. A: Die. You are not worthy of life.
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.03.18 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: Naughty Boy I so want a drone bonus...
Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy.
when they see your sad face, they'll give you one.. Minmatar with a drone ship, that's like asking for more gallente missile based ships
Originally by: Ithildin Q: Will the Gallente ship have lots of missiles? I think it's time. A: Die. You are not worthy of life.
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.03.18 13:30:00 -
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Yes. Amarr / Caldari Minmatar / Gallente
I guess for a change, we could have a RP change. Seems Tux humps caldari a bit too much with every ships in the game with missiles anyways.
Originally by: Ithildin Q: Will the Gallente ship have lots of missiles? I think it's time. A: Die. You are not worthy of life.
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.03.18 17:31:00 -
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Minmatar secondary being missiles. Oh yea, sure. I fit Nos in every 'secondary - non turret used slots'.
360k in missiles 4tw.
Originally by: Ithildin Q: Will the Gallente ship have lots of missiles? I think it's time. A: Die. You are not |
KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.03.19 12:40:00 -
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10% to Stasis webifier Range, sounds like fun..
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5% to Nosferatu drain ammount, sounds overpowered but i like it
All in all, the missile bonus only adds versatility to setups, i have no intentions of turning the typhoon into some more expensive version of a gankageddon, gankaphoon with Gyros and BCU II starts to cost a bit.
Originally by: Ithildin Q: Will the Gallente ship have lots of missiles? I think it's time. A: Die. You are not |
KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.03.19 15:34:00 -
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Edited by: KilROCK on 19/03/2006 15:36:23 Tracking disruptor is an amarr thing. And stop trying to make the typhoon a drone boat in your suggestions lol
Drone bonus maybe, but drone bay? pfft. No slot change for med/lows or I'll personally hunt you down in-game if your suggestion leads to such crappy changes.
Same goes for turning it into a missile bonus + drone crap.
Originally by: Ithildin Q: Will the Gallente ship have lots of missiles? I think it's time. A: Die. You are not |
KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.03.19 16:03:00 -
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Selim, you just try to much to change the whole typhoon. Keep it simple, suggest something that keeps it 'true' to minmatar ways.
They won't put a nos bonus i know. They also won't change the dronebay, and the slots arrangements of Meds/Lows.
If you think they'll turn the typhoon into a EW based ship with more meds, and a tracking disruptor bonus, well... ouch. Won't happen.
I'll just stop bothering and hope they make something good and just give it a bonus to use both splitted up weaponry or enhance the Turret side of the typhoon along with a shield/armor HP switch to improve armor tanking.
Originally by: Ithildin Q: Will the Gallente ship have lots of missiles? I think it's time. A: Die. You are not |
KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.03.20 14:40:00 -
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Edited by: KilROCK on 20/03/2006 14:41:08 Lame. Turn typhoon into a missile boat without any projectile bonuses left and you're one hell of a fool..
And to top it off, you use a typhoon for npcing, so no wonder you want to change it into a poor, raven.
Originally by: Ithildin Q: Will the Gallente ship have lots of missiles? I think it's time. A: Die. You are not |
KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.03.20 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Originally by: Wizie
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Originally by: KilROCK Edited by: KilROCK on 20/03/2006 14:41:08 Lame. Turn typhoon into a missile boat without any projectile bonuses left and you're one hell of a fool..
And to top it off, you use a typhoon for npcing, so no wonder you want to change it into a poor, raven.
excuse me? My Typhoon has seen more pvp then NPC in its lifetime. I've NPC'ed with it 2,3 times and just got lvl 4 missions last month... after 2 years of having it. I have sat in missions with other people for maybe 20 missions at most and they were with jide when lvl 4s were brand spanking new.
Stop trying to tell others their career history. You are not the definitive of minmatar fighting. You didn't give any numbers to back up your rebuttle. It was a personal attack. I NPC IN A PROPHECY!!! Anyone that knows me will raise their hand to that. I have done 2 lvl 4 missions of my own agent with my Typhoon.
Sir, don't label me. If I want to use projectiles, which 1/3 of my SP investment belong too... I will fly a tempest. If I want to fly a Raven... sir... I will fly a raven.
Moreover, I think missiles for NPC is a waste of isk. That is what lasers are for.
I remember your response on my thread regarding tech II ammo type.. it was a 1 liner that did nothing to rebutt the points I had made... "sir"... Pfft pot meet kettle.
I agree with KR.
You agree with him about me, or about the ship? Because if you agree with him about me... you are the fool as he is. You spend 1 week and a half doing missions in Gulfonodi trying to score a lvl 4 agent and you get labeled a mission runner... sir you don't know me nor do you know what accounts I run. Some posts come off funny, and over the top... you feel that way about something I post then laugh at it, do a 1 liner, get your knuckle punch in. But KR has been doing it over and over to me the last months because he saw a fellow forum wh@re in the system he was in in a ship that she don't fly often.
Both of you can kiss it.
Lol, Paranoid mumbling right there. It isn't all about you
Originally by: Ithildin Q: Will the Gallente ship have lots of missiles? I think it's time. A: Die. You are not |
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.03.21 16:06:00 -
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i'd like to have 5/4 (turret/missiles). Feels like a big cyclone slot wise like that.
Originally by: Ithildin Q: Will the Gallente ship have lots of missiles? I think it's time. A: Die. You are not |
KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.03.22 05:22:00 -
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Originally by: Kashre
If you people are only training gun skills than you're missing out on a LOT of the flexibility that minmatar ships have to offer.
Read my virtual lips: We. Do. Not. Need. Another. Gun Based. Battleship.
Read my Virtual lips: We. Do. Not. Need. A. Half. Assed. Minmatar. Version. Of. A. Raven. As. a. Tier. 3. Bs. in. Kali.
Minmatar have missile hardpoints, you choose to use them or you choose to use something else. The way the typhoon is getting changed. It doesn't mean you have to go all out in missile training for speccing and whatever for 1, i repeat. 1 Battleship we have that Might use more than 2 missile hardpoint on it.
Level 4 skills on missile skilltree are more than enough as minmatar ships are mostly at 80% turret oriented while using 1-2 launchers on most ships as optional damage. Most fit nos, and i won't stop doing it
Originally by: Ithildin Q: Will the Gallente ship have lots of missiles? I think it's time. A: Kill yourself, you don't deserve to live. |
KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.03.22 05:37:00 -
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Edited by: KilROCK on 22/03/2006 05:38:33
Quote: Its an armor tank. Its a fast ship. It has a huge drone bay. Its way rustier. It will have a much different kind of flexibility from the raven.
The ship only gets more flexibility. It's like people saying the dominix isn't best with nos. It's better with guns. Then you get the typhoon. It's better with missiles than nos, but does it matter if you can use them when you can break a tank with the nos faster?
And oh. Dual 425mm II + 4 Cruise launcher II, 20km, heavy cap injector, AB, web. (whatever mids tbh). 2 Large rep, 3 t2 Hardener,1600mm tungsten or Damage control or 20% energized adaptive nano, RCU II
Sure, It even fits with Siege launcher. It's a nice setup. I'd still use my nos setup over that.
Originally by: Ithildin Q: Will the Gallente ship have lots of missiles? I think it's time. A: Kill yourself, you don't deserve to live. |
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