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CYVOK
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Posted - 2006.03.19 07:10:00 -
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ASCN Official Announcement & ISD Rebuttal
18 March 2006
Recently the community of EvE has had a News article to read concerning changes taking place in the Impass and Feythabolis Regions. Before I get to the heart of the matter I wish to address the manner in which the ISD sponsored Article was written.
I have always had the highest respect for ISD and those that choose to devote their time to this all volunteer program. One of the things that makes EvE so attractive to me is how much CCP allows its player base to truly get involved in the game. Even better is how many in the EvE community choose to get involved. To that end I cannot stress how much I truly appreciate the volunteer community, thank you for everything you guys add to EvE.
That being said, sometimes, I disagree with the decisions that are made. I will not argue about bias or prejudice as I hold none personally. However, from my perspective the Article, which the entire EvE community has had the pleasure of viewing for the last week is inaccurate to the true spirit of the matter.
Although the basic substance of the issue is, in fact true, the way in which that issue was brought to public eye is more then slightly upsetting to those involved.
I am all for a good investigative report citing ôsourcesö and conjecture, but it is my belief that such an article should be written in a neutral and objective manner. The Article which we see on log in screen is barely that. The article as written alludes to several conclusion which cast the parties involved in a negative and foreboding light, especially in the venue of the community and our enemies.
I would also like to point out that Steel Rat is not an ASCN Director, he is in fact my equal in Leadership.
I would caution ISD in the future about writing such articles that include ôsourcesö. In the case of ASCN ôsourcesö could be just about anyone. Everyone is entitled to their personal opinion, but an opinion is not fact, decision or policy. There are only 2 people that set official policy in ASCN, our members have chosen to follow us because they trust our opinions more then those of someone else. In that regard the opinions of ôun-named sourcesö have no place in an article that also tries to portray policy. Part of this article is 100% legit and would sit well with a reputable News Source, the other is conjecture that belongs in something like a tabloid. The 2 views do not go together.
In reality a simple transcript of the interview ISD had with Steel Rat would have served the purpose much better.
On to the heart of the matter.
ASCN is indeed reorganizing our leadership and the way we manage our 2 core regions.
Feythabolis will remain under the control of ASCN with myself as Leader. Impass will remain under control of DDC with Steel Rat as leader. This is not a huge change, the regions have always been managed in this manner. The difference will be Impass will have one flag and Feyth another.
At its heart this change will allow both Steel Rat and myself more freedom to lead those that choose to follow us utilizing those skills which suit us best. Anyone that thinks this change is going to immediately destroy the cooperation between Steel Rat and myself is mistaken.
We can never truly know what the future in EvE holds for any of us. What is fact today can turn to dust tomorrow. But for this moment, regardless of the flag we fly or the name we are known by, the dream that we have for both Regions is still shared by all the Corporations of Impass and Feythabolis.
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Daniel Cartman
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Posted - 2006.03.19 07:19:00 -
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Good Luck.
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Notleh
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Posted - 2006.03.19 07:34:00 -
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Regardless of your alliance or standing on this particular article, I think most people have experienced the "reporting" of ISD.
The fact that they are an official CCP sponsored organization and display on the splash screen of every person who logs into Eve gives them instant creditability.
I remember the story about the G/Iron vs Bob war and know there were many mis-representations of the facts. This distortion of reality has been in other stories as well.
If they want to entertain they should rename themselves as the CCP Inquirer or something, not as an official news source.
They should be ashamed of the webs they weave. Not just in this article, but in all the articles we have seen.
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Eleese
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Posted - 2006.03.19 07:45:00 -
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Was just like those alts who copy stuff of peoples forums. Trying to get the story out before it meant to be public knowledge and in the rush to release it forgets the facts or makes em up a little. |
Randay
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Posted - 2006.03.19 08:16:00 -
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well everyone always has thier own side to the story and so i suspect its impossible for _anyone_ to ever report a story in a way that would make everyone happy. a news story is just glorified way of spreading gossip.
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Lucian Alucard
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Posted - 2006.03.19 08:31:00 -
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I rarely say this but hats off to you guys. Most alliances that have two leaders with different visions as to how to run things usually fall into bloody civil wars. You took a very wise step and in my opinion it puts you aboth a notch above 90% of the "Leaders" in eve.
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KSUDruid
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Posted - 2006.03.19 08:33:00 -
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DDC 4TW
CLS 4TW
ISD 4TL
Good Luck Guys, took ya long enough 
-Druid
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Mr Stargate
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Posted - 2006.03.19 08:36:00 -
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 Originally by: KSUDruid
DDC 4TW
CLS 4TW
ISD 4TL
Good Luck Guys, took ya long enough
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Cacia Source
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Posted - 2006.03.19 08:37:00 -
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I hope you keep in mind The Source INC in the future! I am working to bring a fair and balanced news community to Eve. We're small, but growing. With that said, The Source INC. wishes you great luck with your future plans!
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Saul Dhampir
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Posted - 2006.03.19 08:42:00 -
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Though I can understnd your concerns and unhappyness if the fact have been mis-represented, or a particular spin has been added that may not accuratly reflect the truth, is not just what happens with real newspapers and news services whomes word is largly taken as gospel by watchers and readers, but who are still subject to the same human errors?
I personaly view the ISD news in the same 'needs to be taken with a pinch of salt' light.
Saul
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.03.19 09:40:00 -
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Well said Cyvok.
The ISD style of reporting "news" leaves something to be desired.
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zykerx
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Posted - 2006.03.19 09:47:00 -
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news reporters should show the parties involved the final version so they can give comments if somethingh is wrong before posting them (wich is almost always the case, alot errors in newsarticles)
all news article's with sa involved for example are all incorect and not stating the facts needed
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Elenia Kheynes
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Posted - 2006.03.19 10:04:00 -
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Originally by: CYVOK
We can never truly know what the future in EvE holds for any of us. What is fact today can turn to dust tomorrow. But for this moment, regardless of the flag we fly or the name we are known by, the dream that we have for both Regions is still shared by all the Corporations of Impass and Feythabolis.
Well spoken.
Concerning ISD, I found the article pretty good without any real bias.
First they give the point of view of people thinking it would weaken ASCN, but that point is followed by your own view on the matter.
No, really, the ISD article was a nice surprise, it was the first time I would actually learn something from reading ISD news ISD definitly got my support in this case, an objective unbiaised support. 
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2006.03.19 10:10:00 -
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ISD are reporters, so let them report. This also happens in real life, the repporter does'nt always report in the favour of the "story holder".
Instead of complaining about it, then make up something better, make your own News Site with "unbiased" and fair stories and you see how easy it is. You will find out it its not THAT easy. They are using their spare time and I am sure they are doing their best.
"We brake for nobody"
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Fi T'Zeh
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Posted - 2006.03.19 10:32:00 -
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oi, Icey, I thanks EXACTLY what he just did innit ?
Y'know, in that 6 paragraph post just above yours ?
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Cacia Source
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Posted - 2006.03.19 11:15:00 -
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That is exactly what I have done and continue to do. And let me tell you it is difficult because 1) it does nothing for profit gain, so your taking times away from isk making operations. 2) Its hard to bring in new reporters since your not offering them anything...
It is worthwhile though!
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Cacia Source
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Hoshi
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Posted - 2006.03.19 11:20:00 -
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IMHO I think it's good ISD do not just quote assigned alliance officials, because if they do they are nothing more than a propaganda tool. A good reporter will do his own digging and get reports from multiple sources. Just quoting the interview with steelrat would have been MUCH worse journalism than the current article.
So you dislike them anounching it before you did, well next time don't be so slow with your own annoncement then. You have only yourself to blame for this. But face it, ISD is not there to relay your words, they are there to give the whole picture.
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ArcticFox
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Posted - 2006.03.19 11:31:00 -
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Edited by: ArcticFox on 19/03/2006 11:31:05
Fair and balanced, Elenia? Are you serious? I'll admit the bulk of the first half is just stating facts, fine and dandy. Then you get to the quotes. First, the negative quotes are put first, which gives them more emphasis, and there are two of them. Steel Rat's single quote is tucked way in there at the end, and doesn't even contain the gist of the 'postitive' side's position, namely this:
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This is not a huge change, the regions have always been managed in this manner. The difference will be Impass will have one flag and Feyth another. Anyone that thinks this change is going to immediately destroy the cooperation between Steel Rat and myself is mistaken
Maybe some of you saw that in there, to me it looked more like the report was placing a lot of emphasis on the two sides going seperate ways.
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2006.03.19 11:34:00 -
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You're asking for "fair, balanced and NEUTRAL" news reporting?
Such a thing doesn't exist, CYVOK, more bias is the way forward, polarised news reporting and hatred of reporters = win.
Originally by: Thomas Jefferson
A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither
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Maria Cournacovia
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Posted - 2006.03.19 12:12:00 -
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cyvok, just admit it. your a *****
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.03.19 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: Maria Cournacovia
cyvok, just admit it. your a *****
...please......
anyways flaming/troll baiting aside, one thing that I've learned, reporters never report the news 100% accurately.
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Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
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Pehova Mindtriq
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Posted - 2006.03.19 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
You're asking for "fair, balanced and NEUTRAL" news reporting?
Such a thing doesn't exist, CYVOK, more bias is the way forward, polarised news reporting and hatred of reporters = win.
I think something between those ways would be the best. A neutral and unbiased report with no twists or opionions aren't that interesting. That doesn't mean a reporters hatred that is reflected in his writing is a good thing but i haven't seen that so far.
Honestly I don't see what the big deal is when comparing this announcment and the report posted by ISD. I guess some people got to much sand in their vaginas 
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Grim Savage
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Posted - 2006.03.19 13:15:00 -
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The only true reporter that gave unbiased facts about the the ASCN alliance and theire space, where Minmatar Vengance.
She brought out the term HOBBITS and the SHIRE. That is pretty much all that needs to be said about ASCN.
Omeega!! Where are Minmatar Vengance? I want the truth about the Shire again!
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Roxanne
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Posted - 2006.03.19 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
anyways flaming/troll baiting aside, one thing that I've learned, reporters never report the news 100% accurately.
No, they don't. Still censorship is bad (like having people read over articles and correct them, great idea, really...  ). What is needed though are different news outlets which allow the readers to see an issue from different angles and find their own point of view.
Now ASCN has given its POV, ISD has provided one and everyone can hold hands and sing...
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Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2006.03.19 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Roxanne
Now ASCN has given its POV, ISD has provided one and everyone can hold hands and sing...
yah, except ascn pov is on the forums and isd one is on login screen for 100k users in the same layout used to warn about patches and extended dt's
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Elenia Kheynes
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Posted - 2006.03.19 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
Originally by: Roxanne
Now ASCN has given its POV, ISD has provided one and everyone can hold hands and sing...
yah, except ascn pov is on the forums and isd one is on login screen for 100k users in the same layout used to warn about patches and extended dt's
I doubt 100k users are gonna try to declare war upon ASCN after that news article o,-
The reporter formulated the opinions of different people, the different views on that split.
After reading that article I didn't feel like it was a big change for ASCN ^^
and tbh, it's not like if ASCN wasn't used to splits =) (ok that one was way too easy  )
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Zardock
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Posted - 2006.03.19 14:59:00 -
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Nice.
Now let's see how many months people will need to understand that it's not CLS and DDC parting ways 
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Mr Breakfast
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Posted - 2006.03.20 02:00:00 -
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When I read the article, knowing nothing about ASCN, I got the impression that the alliance was breaking apart completely and possibly on the verge of civil war. That may be a weakness of the article or of my understanding, but the article's message seemed far more negative than Cyv's version of the story.
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Dungar Loghoth
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Posted - 2006.03.20 03:44:00 -
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I'll admit to knowing little about ASCN, but as soon as I read that ISD was actually quoting "sources", I stopped reading and disregarded everything.
People should not be learning about an alliance from someone who goes unnamed. It stuns me the mods lock topics here made by alts but ISD has no problem quoting people who won't be named.
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Ashis
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Posted - 2006.03.20 05:01:00 -
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Edited by: Ashis on 20/03/2006 05:02:51
I'm going to repeat what seems to be the general consensus -
ISD should not have a news reporting service that is above the law, above reproach, and acknowledged to be any more official then any other news reporting agency inside of EvE.
CCP Has created a political game - Bravo - but then we have one of the most powerful political weapons, the Media, still working without ingame accountability. Frankly, and much like every other facet of Eve - if a reporter reports something irresponsibly, as was clearly done here, then there should be ingame consequences. Corporations specializing in news reporting (and even individuals) could easily be created that allowed users to subscribe to mailing lists where news was reported - and then it would be up to the players to sort through the biases and agendas of the seperate news agencys, but there are many options.
Hell - if someone out there wrote a weekly "this week in Eve Politics" I would subscribe - that'd be fantastic - I can't keep up.
This above the law, untouchable, and CCP endorsed news agency has to go. Give the power to the players to write their own news about the universe that they have created - that seems to be more inline with the vision and direction CCP has taken the game in other areas.
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