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CYVOK
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Posted - 2006.03.19 07:10:00 -
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ASCN Official Announcement & ISD Rebuttal
18 March 2006
Recently the community of EvE has had a News article to read concerning changes taking place in the Impass and Feythabolis Regions. Before I get to the heart of the matter I wish to address the manner in which the ISD sponsored Article was written.
I have always had the highest respect for ISD and those that choose to devote their time to this all volunteer program. One of the things that makes EvE so attractive to me is how much CCP allows its player base to truly get involved in the game. Even better is how many in the EvE community choose to get involved. To that end I cannot stress how much I truly appreciate the volunteer community, thank you for everything you guys add to EvE.
That being said, sometimes, I disagree with the decisions that are made. I will not argue about bias or prejudice as I hold none personally. However, from my perspective the Article, which the entire EvE community has had the pleasure of viewing for the last week is inaccurate to the true spirit of the matter.
Although the basic substance of the issue is, in fact true, the way in which that issue was brought to public eye is more then slightly upsetting to those involved.
I am all for a good investigative report citing ôsourcesö and conjecture, but it is my belief that such an article should be written in a neutral and objective manner. The Article which we see on log in screen is barely that. The article as written alludes to several conclusion which cast the parties involved in a negative and foreboding light, especially in the venue of the community and our enemies.
I would also like to point out that Steel Rat is not an ASCN Director, he is in fact my equal in Leadership.
I would caution ISD in the future about writing such articles that include ôsourcesö. In the case of ASCN ôsourcesö could be just about anyone. Everyone is entitled to their personal opinion, but an opinion is not fact, decision or policy. There are only 2 people that set official policy in ASCN, our members have chosen to follow us because they trust our opinions more then those of someone else. In that regard the opinions of ôun-named sourcesö have no place in an article that also tries to portray policy. Part of this article is 100% legit and would sit well with a reputable News Source, the other is conjecture that belongs in something like a tabloid. The 2 views do not go together.
In reality a simple transcript of the interview ISD had with Steel Rat would have served the purpose much better.
On to the heart of the matter.
ASCN is indeed reorganizing our leadership and the way we manage our 2 core regions.
Feythabolis will remain under the control of ASCN with myself as Leader. Impass will remain under control of DDC with Steel Rat as leader. This is not a huge change, the regions have always been managed in this manner. The difference will be Impass will have one flag and Feyth another.
At its heart this change will allow both Steel Rat and myself more freedom to lead those that choose to follow us utilizing those skills which suit us best. Anyone that thinks this change is going to immediately destroy the cooperation between Steel Rat and myself is mistaken.
We can never truly know what the future in EvE holds for any of us. What is fact today can turn to dust tomorrow. But for this moment, regardless of the flag we fly or the name we are known by, the dream that we have for both Regions is still shared by all the Corporations of Impass and Feythabolis.
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Daniel Cartman
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Posted - 2006.03.19 07:19:00 -
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Good Luck.
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Notleh
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Posted - 2006.03.19 07:34:00 -
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Regardless of your alliance or standing on this particular article, I think most people have experienced the "reporting" of ISD.
The fact that they are an official CCP sponsored organization and display on the splash screen of every person who logs into Eve gives them instant creditability.
I remember the story about the G/Iron vs Bob war and know there were many mis-representations of the facts. This distortion of reality has been in other stories as well.
If they want to entertain they should rename themselves as the CCP Inquirer or something, not as an official news source.
They should be ashamed of the webs they weave. Not just in this article, but in all the articles we have seen.
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Eleese
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Posted - 2006.03.19 07:45:00 -
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Was just like those alts who copy stuff of peoples forums. Trying to get the story out before it meant to be public knowledge and in the rush to release it forgets the facts or makes em up a little. |
Randay
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Posted - 2006.03.19 08:16:00 -
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well everyone always has thier own side to the story and so i suspect its impossible for _anyone_ to ever report a story in a way that would make everyone happy. a news story is just glorified way of spreading gossip.
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Lucian Alucard
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Posted - 2006.03.19 08:31:00 -
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I rarely say this but hats off to you guys. Most alliances that have two leaders with different visions as to how to run things usually fall into bloody civil wars. You took a very wise step and in my opinion it puts you aboth a notch above 90% of the "Leaders" in eve.
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Every journey must come to an end
All hail to the Gunslinger
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KSUDruid
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Posted - 2006.03.19 08:33:00 -
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DDC 4TW
CLS 4TW
ISD 4TL
Good Luck Guys, took ya long enough 
-Druid
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Mr Stargate
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Posted - 2006.03.19 08:36:00 -
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 Originally by: KSUDruid
DDC 4TW
CLS 4TW
ISD 4TL
Good Luck Guys, took ya long enough
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Cacia Source
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Posted - 2006.03.19 08:37:00 -
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I hope you keep in mind The Source INC in the future! I am working to bring a fair and balanced news community to Eve. We're small, but growing. With that said, The Source INC. wishes you great luck with your future plans!
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Cacia Source
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Saul Dhampir
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Posted - 2006.03.19 08:42:00 -
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Though I can understnd your concerns and unhappyness if the fact have been mis-represented, or a particular spin has been added that may not accuratly reflect the truth, is not just what happens with real newspapers and news services whomes word is largly taken as gospel by watchers and readers, but who are still subject to the same human errors?
I personaly view the ISD news in the same 'needs to be taken with a pinch of salt' light.
Saul
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.03.19 09:40:00 -
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Well said Cyvok.
The ISD style of reporting "news" leaves something to be desired.
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zykerx
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Posted - 2006.03.19 09:47:00 -
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news reporters should show the parties involved the final version so they can give comments if somethingh is wrong before posting them (wich is almost always the case, alot errors in newsarticles)
all news article's with sa involved for example are all incorect and not stating the facts needed
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Elenia Kheynes
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Posted - 2006.03.19 10:04:00 -
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Originally by: CYVOK
We can never truly know what the future in EvE holds for any of us. What is fact today can turn to dust tomorrow. But for this moment, regardless of the flag we fly or the name we are known by, the dream that we have for both Regions is still shared by all the Corporations of Impass and Feythabolis.
Well spoken.
Concerning ISD, I found the article pretty good without any real bias.
First they give the point of view of people thinking it would weaken ASCN, but that point is followed by your own view on the matter.
No, really, the ISD article was a nice surprise, it was the first time I would actually learn something from reading ISD news ISD definitly got my support in this case, an objective unbiaised support. 
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2006.03.19 10:10:00 -
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ISD are reporters, so let them report. This also happens in real life, the repporter does'nt always report in the favour of the "story holder".
Instead of complaining about it, then make up something better, make your own News Site with "unbiased" and fair stories and you see how easy it is. You will find out it its not THAT easy. They are using their spare time and I am sure they are doing their best.
"We brake for nobody"
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Fi T'Zeh
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Posted - 2006.03.19 10:32:00 -
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oi, Icey, I thanks EXACTLY what he just did innit ?
Y'know, in that 6 paragraph post just above yours ?
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Cacia Source
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Posted - 2006.03.19 11:15:00 -
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That is exactly what I have done and continue to do. And let me tell you it is difficult because 1) it does nothing for profit gain, so your taking times away from isk making operations. 2) Its hard to bring in new reporters since your not offering them anything...
It is worthwhile though!
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Cacia Source
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Hoshi
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Posted - 2006.03.19 11:20:00 -
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IMHO I think it's good ISD do not just quote assigned alliance officials, because if they do they are nothing more than a propaganda tool. A good reporter will do his own digging and get reports from multiple sources. Just quoting the interview with steelrat would have been MUCH worse journalism than the current article.
So you dislike them anounching it before you did, well next time don't be so slow with your own annoncement then. You have only yourself to blame for this. But face it, ISD is not there to relay your words, they are there to give the whole picture.
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ArcticFox
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Posted - 2006.03.19 11:31:00 -
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Edited by: ArcticFox on 19/03/2006 11:31:05
Fair and balanced, Elenia? Are you serious? I'll admit the bulk of the first half is just stating facts, fine and dandy. Then you get to the quotes. First, the negative quotes are put first, which gives them more emphasis, and there are two of them. Steel Rat's single quote is tucked way in there at the end, and doesn't even contain the gist of the 'postitive' side's position, namely this:
Quote:
This is not a huge change, the regions have always been managed in this manner. The difference will be Impass will have one flag and Feyth another. Anyone that thinks this change is going to immediately destroy the cooperation between Steel Rat and myself is mistaken
Maybe some of you saw that in there, to me it looked more like the report was placing a lot of emphasis on the two sides going seperate ways.
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2006.03.19 11:34:00 -
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You're asking for "fair, balanced and NEUTRAL" news reporting?
Such a thing doesn't exist, CYVOK, more bias is the way forward, polarised news reporting and hatred of reporters = win.
Originally by: Thomas Jefferson
A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither
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Maria Cournacovia
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Posted - 2006.03.19 12:12:00 -
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cyvok, just admit it. your a *****
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.03.19 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: Maria Cournacovia
cyvok, just admit it. your a *****
...please......
anyways flaming/troll baiting aside, one thing that I've learned, reporters never report the news 100% accurately.
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Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
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Pehova Mindtriq
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Posted - 2006.03.19 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
You're asking for "fair, balanced and NEUTRAL" news reporting?
Such a thing doesn't exist, CYVOK, more bias is the way forward, polarised news reporting and hatred of reporters = win.
I think something between those ways would be the best. A neutral and unbiased report with no twists or opionions aren't that interesting. That doesn't mean a reporters hatred that is reflected in his writing is a good thing but i haven't seen that so far.
Honestly I don't see what the big deal is when comparing this announcment and the report posted by ISD. I guess some people got to much sand in their vaginas 
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Grim Savage
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Posted - 2006.03.19 13:15:00 -
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The only true reporter that gave unbiased facts about the the ASCN alliance and theire space, where Minmatar Vengance.
She brought out the term HOBBITS and the SHIRE. That is pretty much all that needs to be said about ASCN.
Omeega!! Where are Minmatar Vengance? I want the truth about the Shire again!
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Roxanne
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Posted - 2006.03.19 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
anyways flaming/troll baiting aside, one thing that I've learned, reporters never report the news 100% accurately.
No, they don't. Still censorship is bad (like having people read over articles and correct them, great idea, really...  ). What is needed though are different news outlets which allow the readers to see an issue from different angles and find their own point of view.
Now ASCN has given its POV, ISD has provided one and everyone can hold hands and sing...
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Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2006.03.19 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Roxanne
Now ASCN has given its POV, ISD has provided one and everyone can hold hands and sing...
yah, except ascn pov is on the forums and isd one is on login screen for 100k users in the same layout used to warn about patches and extended dt's
- Gob
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Elenia Kheynes
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Posted - 2006.03.19 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
Originally by: Roxanne
Now ASCN has given its POV, ISD has provided one and everyone can hold hands and sing...
yah, except ascn pov is on the forums and isd one is on login screen for 100k users in the same layout used to warn about patches and extended dt's
I doubt 100k users are gonna try to declare war upon ASCN after that news article o,-
The reporter formulated the opinions of different people, the different views on that split.
After reading that article I didn't feel like it was a big change for ASCN ^^
and tbh, it's not like if ASCN wasn't used to splits =) (ok that one was way too easy  )
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Zardock
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Posted - 2006.03.19 14:59:00 -
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Nice.
Now let's see how many months people will need to understand that it's not CLS and DDC parting ways 
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Mr Breakfast
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Posted - 2006.03.20 02:00:00 -
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When I read the article, knowing nothing about ASCN, I got the impression that the alliance was breaking apart completely and possibly on the verge of civil war. That may be a weakness of the article or of my understanding, but the article's message seemed far more negative than Cyv's version of the story.
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Dungar Loghoth
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Posted - 2006.03.20 03:44:00 -
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I'll admit to knowing little about ASCN, but as soon as I read that ISD was actually quoting "sources", I stopped reading and disregarded everything.
People should not be learning about an alliance from someone who goes unnamed. It stuns me the mods lock topics here made by alts but ISD has no problem quoting people who won't be named.
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Ashis
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Posted - 2006.03.20 05:01:00 -
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Edited by: Ashis on 20/03/2006 05:02:51
I'm going to repeat what seems to be the general consensus -
ISD should not have a news reporting service that is above the law, above reproach, and acknowledged to be any more official then any other news reporting agency inside of EvE.
CCP Has created a political game - Bravo - but then we have one of the most powerful political weapons, the Media, still working without ingame accountability. Frankly, and much like every other facet of Eve - if a reporter reports something irresponsibly, as was clearly done here, then there should be ingame consequences. Corporations specializing in news reporting (and even individuals) could easily be created that allowed users to subscribe to mailing lists where news was reported - and then it would be up to the players to sort through the biases and agendas of the seperate news agencys, but there are many options.
Hell - if someone out there wrote a weekly "this week in Eve Politics" I would subscribe - that'd be fantastic - I can't keep up.
This above the law, untouchable, and CCP endorsed news agency has to go. Give the power to the players to write their own news about the universe that they have created - that seems to be more inline with the vision and direction CCP has taken the game in other areas.
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Twirrim Notme
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Posted - 2006.03.20 09:41:00 -
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Originally by: Zardock
Nice.
Now let's see how many months people will need to understand that it's not CLS and DDC parting ways
I'm betting on at least 11 months , but to be honest I really couldn't give a brass monkeys. If someone chooses to think that we've weakened ourselves and are now an easy target, they know where we are, and we'll quite happily educate them otherwise.
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Lacero Callrisian
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Posted - 2006.03.20 09:44:00 -
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Edited by: Lacero Callrisian on 20/03/2006 09:44:21
Originally by: Elenia Kheynes
I doubt 100k users are gonna try to declare war upon ASCN after that news article o,-
The issue is recruitment, if all the newbies in eve have read a CCP sanctioned story about how ASCN is splitting they'll be less likely to join us. Anyone who isn't a newbie has more sense than to believe anything ISD say :)
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BlackPlague
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Posted - 2006.03.20 10:50:00 -
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There are 3 sides to every story.
2 versions belonging to parties involved and the Truth.
1 of which you will never hear can you guess which?
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Elenia Kheynes
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Posted - 2006.03.20 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Lacero Callrisian
Edited by: Lacero Callrisian on 20/03/2006 09:44:21
Originally by: Elenia Kheynes
I doubt 100k users are gonna try to declare war upon ASCN after that news article o,-
The issue is recruitment, if all the newbies in eve have read a CCP sanctioned story about how ASCN is splitting they'll be less likely to join us. Anyone who isn't a newbie has more sense than to believe anything ISD say :)
I don't know your recruitment policy. However... ASCN is a 0.0 alliance supposed to have most of its membership living in 0.0 (it's not me who's saying that, it was the MC).
I believe ASCN always had a great pride in having most of its membership living there as well...
Sooo what are you calling a "newbie" exactly ? Because I doubt ASCN corps are really recruiting what I call newbies (players with less than a good month of gaming experience). I humbly doubt I'll ever see much people mining in their first frigate or cruiser if I ever go to ASCN space o,-
I don't think there is any real issue here. But that's just my personnal feelings.
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Havelcek
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Posted - 2006.03.20 18:37:00 -
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I was also pretty surprised to login and see a story about ASCN's internal political situation which I had yet to read about on the boards. Frankly, since there is no such thing as libel, or slander, or First Amendment or anything like that in-the-game, it can be hugely destructive to quote anonymous sources on such a large stage. ASCN and its directors are helpless to defend themselves and cannot take any punative action to discover who the leak was, or seek compensation if damages are incurred.
I understand that ISD is trying to add out-of-game flavor by reporting on in-game content but this really falls woefully short in terms of honesty and integrity. If I was part of ASCN I'd really be fuming. To a third-party it is distasteful at the very least.
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Lacero Callrisian
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Posted - 2006.03.20 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Elenia Kheynes
Sooo what are you calling a "newbie" exactly ? Because I doubt ASCN corps are really recruiting what I call newbies (players with less than a good month of gaming experience). I humbly doubt I'll ever see much people mining in their first frigate or cruiser if I ever go to ASCN space
Anyone who doesn't read this forum would count as a newbie in this case, there are lots of experienced empire dwellers who know nothing about alliances.
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Beringe
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Posted - 2006.03.20 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: Spider Jerusalem
"I don't have to put up with this shabby crap! I'm a journalist!"
But seriously, lighten the **** up. You can't expect ISD volunteers to be the perfect news agency, and news should always be taken with a grain of salt anyway.
I certainly don't believe everything I read in the papers. And neither should anyone else.
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F'nog
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Posted - 2006.03.20 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: Beringe
Originally by: Spider Jerusalem
"I don't have to put up with this shabby crap! I'm a journalist!"
But seriously, lighten the **** up. You can't expect ISD volunteers to be the perfect news agency, and news should always be taken with a grain of salt anyway.
I certainly don't believe everything I read in the papers. And neither should anyone else.
But the problem is that many people will think that since it comes directly from CCP then it's the complete truth. This is why there's such a ruckus. The only way for someone to get their side out is to post on the boards, which not everyone reads. So a very inaccurate or biased view can rbe read by everyone, but only those who care enough to read the boards can get both sides of the story.
If ASCN, or any subject of these "news" articles could post their rebuttal on the login, then I don't think many would have a problem. But as it is, there's little that can be done.
It's like living in a country with only a state-run news service. You get the party line without any dissenting opinions.
In RL, when there's a free press, you can read different papers to get differing views and opinions, but none of them are inherently more correct than the other. But here we have the state-run version that everyone reads, and the underground versions (the boards0 that only some people know.
So how about if CCP, besides making its "reporters" learn how to report, i.e. checking facts and getting information from all sides, not just one, allow the people who are featured in these stories to provide a rebuttal or clarification that can be uploaded as well.
Originally by: Bl4zer
But, cmon, this is the Eve forums, we don't let facts get in the way of pointless speculation.
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Milkminer
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Posted - 2006.03.20 21:15:00 -
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Well, the way I see it is that if you dont agree with the news articals which are reported exactly the same way irl tbh.
You should either:
1.) have more faith in the players ability to make their own opinions
2.) prove the artical wrong and be a better than you currently are as 2 alliances.
Complaining about an artical on the forum will just instill the "ASCN are weak" ideal in their minds as it looks rather suspect.
Move on, enjoy the game, and ur ASCN, last I knew u didnt give a dam what people thought of u, and if ur as strong as u beleive, then y should u?
Move on.
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Haldane IV
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Posted - 2006.03.20 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: zykerx
news reporters should show the parties involved the final version so they can give comments if somethingh is wrong before posting them (wich is almost always the case, alot errors in newsarticles)
all news article's with sa involved for example are all incorect and not stating the facts needed
I agree, in the past I have seen a record of one of two interviews that were taken on events involving my Alliance, and was able to contrast it with the report that appeared.
With restricted time and resources available to them I think it is inevitable that a reporter of an event in EVE is going to be very largely reliant upon information gleaned from a couple of interviews with the main participants, so (whilst reserving all proper editorial rights to the news service)I think this suggested procedure would be consistent with that methodology and further the aim of accurate reporting.
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Dyvim Slorm
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Posted - 2006.03.20 23:53:00 -
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"Never let the truth get in the way of a good story", a somewhat cynical but sadly true saying.
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.03.21 00:58:00 -
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Originally by: Dyvim Slorm
"Never let the truth get in the way of a good story", a somewhat cynical but sadly true saying.
indeed it's true...
*looks at TV, and gets disgusted*
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Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
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FerTec
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Posted - 2006.03.21 07:06:00 -
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I took a objective POV to this thread.
At first, I agreed that they gave their POV and ISD gave theirs. However, ISD has the "in" and the "tv switch" at their hands. ISD is the "state" sponsored news, on the front screen.
I don't think ASCN would have a problem if they could report "their" side. Or if ISD treated the article as an "Editorial" rather then a "News" article.
I agree. ISD should be dismantled. CCP should create a "news" market or a tab, inside the game, and allow corporations who wish to make news make news. And you can "subscribe" to their mailings or updated news.
I figure have a database where they can input different fields and file stories. In the "News" tab on the left hand side, it would call up whatever database the pilot paid to have it subscribed too.
It wouldn't be too hard to implement. Believe me, I will be the first to say CCP is doing the greatest job in giving the players the freedom, and this is really a small issue, but ISD is definitely not "CCP" I believe. (ISD news that is).
Their is my objective two cents. :)
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Cummilla
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Posted - 2006.03.21 08:39:00 -
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In all seriousness, who really cares?
ISD biased? So what. All of us carry with us a bias of sorts. It's up to each of us to decide whether that bias is good or bad.
ISD should be the least of your concerns Cyvok.
The fact is your alliance is coming apart at the seams because of an insidious infestation known as DDC. Their antisocial impulses and impact on your alliance is profound. Their leadership has no place in this MMO or any other for that matter. Yet they continue and adversely impact the gaming experiences of so many in your alliance.
But don't believe me. Certainly some idiotic reference to my being an alt will be made by Murphy or Steel Rat will give us his punch drunk rendition of "playing with crayons" to tell you why what I say isn't so.
Start looking around critically and make decisions based on what is "Right" instead of what you "can make right just because you can" and you'll see what I and others see.
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Im Lonely
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Posted - 2006.03.21 09:17:00 -
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Originally by: Cummilla
The fact is your alliance is coming apart at the seams because of an insidious infestation known as DDC. Their antisocial impulses and impact on your alliance is profound.
In all seriousness, who really cares? Are you one of those got butt hurt after being rejected to join em?
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.03.21 09:56:00 -
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Originally by: Cummilla
The fact is your alliance is coming apart at the seams because of an insidious infestation known as DDC. Their antisocial impulses and impact on your alliance is profound. Their leadership has no place in this MMO or any other for that matter. Yet they continue and adversely impact the gaming experiences of so many in your alliance.
Well I belive the opposite. DDC leadership style is agressive, and it suits them. If you don't like it... well, there's an old saying in my country: "Don't like it, don't use it"
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Originally by: Abdalion
Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
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Illuvator Brightstar
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Posted - 2006.03.21 10:03:00 -
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Originally by: Cummilla
In all seriousness, who really cares?
ISD biased? So what. All of us carry with us a bias of sorts. It's up to each of us to decide whether that bias is good or bad.
ISD should be the least of your concerns Cyvok.
The fact is your alliance is coming apart at the seams because of an insidious infestation known as DDC. Their antisocial impulses and impact on your alliance is profound. Their leadership has no place in this MMO or any other for that matter. Yet they continue and adversely impact the gaming experiences of so many in your alliance.
But don't believe me. Certainly some idiotic reference to my being an alt will be made by Murphy or Steel Rat will give us his punch drunk rendition of "playing with crayons" to tell you why what I say isn't so.
Start looking around critically and make decisions based on what is "Right" instead of what you "can make right just because you can" and you'll see what I and others see.
First off, this trolling flame has no place in this thread. This thread is for discussion on the ISD issue, if you wish to flame DDC, please pick one of the others.
Secondly, forgive me for being the one who has to state the obvious, but did you miss the part about DDC forming their own alliance in Impass?
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Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2006.03.21 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: Cummilla
rant
DDC has done much for the alliance, despite any problems you might have with their attitude, you stating they are "some insidious infestation" only shows how bitter you are at something that must have happened to you, most likely because of something dumb you did yourself.
- Gob
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Zhuge Liang
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Posted - 2006.03.21 13:52:00 -
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Lets not bash ISD.
If you have an issue with specific player news articles then contact [email protected].
Cyvok, apologies in advance for the lock but you may create another thread with the latter information of your original post excluding the ISD rebuttal as I have given you the correct contact information to persue your issue.
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