secrete super cap nerf whine

If CCP had more growth because of catering to bears than by catering to gank...err...."hardcore PVP" crowds then it seems like the right thing to do.

Did you expect them to lose money for you?

It is a business. It is not a charity.

But the balaning happening this expansion is for the hardcore pvp crowd. It's the carebears that are whining over the coming "nerfs"

Eve has become to carebear friendly, and the changes coming make pvp more "hardcore"

your op is confusing me. : (

Honestly, eve is the only game in the market that provides a truly brutal, ruthless environment. Why is CCP willing to give this niche up, just to have access to the PvE kids who dont want any risk at all? Those kids will get bored and move on to one of the hundreds of games that cater to their style.

There is not a single game on the market that provides what eve does. This is why eve has had such a hardcore / cult following. It has catered to a specific play style that demanded absolute freedom and lawlessness. And now that is being taken away, bit by bit.

With all the nerfs to PvP'res lately, eve's hostile environment is rapidly turning into a friendly hugs-n-kisses type of game. It might not ever reach the point where it looks like WOW, but the current trend is absolute proof that CCP is siding with the PvE camp.

Insurance is gone for gankers. Cant wardec highsec corps anymore. Pirates can be booted from corp before they kill their target leaving them to deal with concord,
Even the expansions lately have almost entirely focused on the Carebears... Planetary Interaction, Incursions, Epic Arcs, etc. The only thing pvp'ers got was Sov changes, which was seriously in need of love anyways (and still is)

I think this is absolute evidence that CCP is siding with the carebears, and screwing the hardcore PvP crowd that allowed eve to progress as far as it has. Nearly every change has benefited the bears, and screwed the PvP people over. CCP thinks they can throw us a few battlecruisers to keep us quiet while they gimp eve down into WOW-In-Space.

I've seen videos of CCP employees talking about them never gimping eve down, but from all these patch changes, it seems they're saying what we want to hear as they walk away from us

You cant wardec people anymore

Honestly, eve is the only game in the market that provides a truly brutal, ruthless environment. Why is CCP willing to give this niche up, just to have access to the PvE kids who dont want any risk at all? Those kids will get bored and move on to one of the hundreds of games that cater to their style.

There is not a single game on the market that provides what eve does. This is why eve has had such a hardcore / cult following. It has catered to a specific play style that demanded absolute freedom and lawlessness. And now that is being taken away, bit by bit.

With all the nerfs to PvP'res lately, eve's hostile environment is rapidly turning into a friendly hugs-n-kisses type of game. It might not ever reach the point where it looks like WOW, but the current trend is absolute proof that CCP is siding with the PvE camp.

Insurance is gone for gankers. Cant wardec highsec corps anymore. Pirates can be booted from corp before they kill their target leaving them to deal with concord,
Even the expansions lately have almost entirely focused on the Carebears... Planetary Interaction, Incursions, Epic Arcs, etc. The only thing pvp'ers got was Sov changes, which was seriously in need of love anyways (and still is)

I think this is absolute evidence that CCP is siding with the carebears, and screwing the hardcore PvP crowd that allowed eve to progress as far as it has. Nearly every change has benefited the bears, and screwed the PvP people over. CCP thinks they can throw us a few battlecruisers to keep us quiet while they gimp eve down into WOW-In-Space.

I've seen videos of CCP employees talking about them never gimping eve down, but from all these patch changes, it seems they're saying what we want to hear as they walk away from us

Hardcore EVE people are better than any other type. Why does CCP continue to make EVE easier for the non hardcore?

It's like they've sucked the hardcore right out of the game when non hardcore people are catered for. EVE is only about hardcore people, everyone knows this. It's starting to move toward an EVE that just is not hardcore enough for hardcore people. I can't believe CCP are willing to give up on the only people that matter in EVE.

Wait, no more high sec wardecks?!

NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Evidence please?

...Source?

Would you rather 35,000 PVP players and thats it or would you like to see more people joining and adding diversity to a game that has existed for years and is consistently trying to change to help create a more stable enviornment.

I made some comments on this issue already during this post

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=30270


Now lets really approach this like mature adults instead of consistently debating what is fair and what isnt.. Now most of these postings are very true when it comes to the "adaption" one poster was dead on... "Adapt or die" this is the way with all games and life... if you dont like how something is changed than you bring it to CCP but dont shoot the people who are trying to enjoy this game without involvement in PVP. I mean if you take a look at my postings in the link above I provide both perspectives and I think i address them just fine, however some may disagree... Its human nature we wont all get along and its not a hug and kiss fest, sure back in 2006 things were ALOT different.... I'll admit I left EVE after finding the cruelty too much to bear around here but now that the changes have taken place to make EVE more PvE friendly... Its become a more enjoyable experience for me, and though I may not agree with being brutally agressive, I do know that you will have to learn to defend yourself in some fashion during the course of your existence here.

How are we really going to turn this concept into something with beneficial motiavtion that will help make the adjustments easier, I mean there are going to be alot of people who "hate" or "loathe" what I say and how I percieve New Eden but lets face it everything will change based on the "demands" nothing can change the course we are going in unless there is an influx of millions who beg for more PVP... Since there isnt that substancial number CCP is doing what they can to help bring more people into New Eden without having to have people consistently bang their heads on the desk wondering how they are going to survive or even deal with the trainings and concepts needed. The tutorials and everything has changed dramatically there used to not be tutorials on how to use things and EVE used to be a very "huge" learning curve... but now its become more digestable... and in doing so they are bringing fresh blood for you hardcore PVP players sure they are making it harder for you to play "cat and mouse" with your victims but honestly i think CCP sees the PVP community as being cyberbullies in a way and they are trying to protect the interests of all involved so that they dont get sued or provide content that is only based on a specific genre of player...

Would you rather 35,000 PVP players and thats it or would you like to see more people joining and adding diversity to a game that has existed for years and is consistently trying to change to help create a more stable enviornment. I refuse to believe that behind these monitors that people can be that heartless to say PVP is the be all end all of EVE... Its a game people not a religion this isnt scientology or atheism or anything inbetween the sooner you guys realize that this is a sandbox MMORPG that includes "everyone" and avoid those who you butt heads with and just do what you want to do and not care what others think then the better... these postings are getting old... If you dont like the changes... get in your ship and leave... go back to reality and then talk about pain.... Life is a struggle in itself we come here to enjoy ourselves however WE want it to be, and no one can tell us otherwise...

Sorry guys, but facts are facts... nothing will ever change that.