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PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys 846	Posted - 2014.01.10 00:14:00 - [1] - Quote Priestess Lin wrote: Andski wrote: i like the passive-aggressive snipes from mouthbreathing NPC alts who think they're contributing to the discussion sorry, I don't have an enormous bandwagon corp to hide behind, nor the patience to deal with the kids who hop onto it that will undoubtedly use locator agents to avenge their butt-hurt. Truth hurts. That doesn't actually happen.
PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys 857	Posted - 2014.01.10 19:21:00 - [2] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Like I said to Grath, claiming that you have the right to deal out full dps without actually playing the game while doing so is indefensible, and trying to do so does not reflect well on you. It's literally the AFK mining of combat. You're on the wrong side of history if you're defending this. The problem here is that you're essentially using a drones = modules argument. But this isn't true. Lets say you're running an anom with 3 guys. You assign your drones to the guy with the best scan res, but you still have to activate your own guns. Likewise, a slowcat can't actually afk because it needs to use its remote reps. Yes, the drones can do their own thing, but they're drones. Drones are not modules. Drones are not guns. Drones can be killed independently of their Vessel of Origin. Guns and Modules cannot. Its kinda funny really. Ages ago, drone assist Domi's were a big thing, and no one complained about it then. The CFC didn't ** up GD with posts about drone assist during the fountain war either. But now that they've actually ran into a roadblock, it must be imbalanced, right? I mean if the CFC can't beat it now, it must need a nerf, right?**
PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys 858	Posted - 2014.01.10 19:45:00 - [3] - Quote baltec1 wrote: It also means that all of the other alliances stand no chance of ever gaining any victory over either of the two superpowers. But if we removed slowcats, a smaller group would definitely stand a better chance of holding its own against the cfc's typical N+1 strategy, yes?
PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys 858	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:13:00 - [4] - Quote baltec1 wrote: PotatoOverdose wrote: baltec1 wrote: It also means that all of the other alliances stand no chance of ever gaining any victory over either of the two superpowers. But if we removed slowcats, a smaller group would definitely stand a better chance of holding its own against the cfc's typical N+1 strategy, yes? Some chance is better than none. Hmm smaller (compared to CFC fleets anyway) groups of slowcats seem to be doing well enought against your offensive war atm. Why would anyone want to remove that?
PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys 858	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:17:00 - [5] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: baltec1 wrote: The big blob is not invincible. You can wipe out entire fleets in a single bombing run. This almost happened to our invincible waterboarding domis a few days ago. If they hadn't ****** up and launched too many bombs (against our highest resist no less) they would have succeeded. Speaking of bombers, have you tried actually killing the stationary sentries?
PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys 858	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:25:00 - [6] - Quote baltec1 wrote: PotatoOverdose wrote: Speaking of bombers, have you tried actually killing the stationary sentries? They simply recall them and the handfull that die are replaced from the bay containing thousands more. I thought all the slowcats were afk? How can someone that is afk possibly recall drones, let alone launch and assist additional flights of drones?
PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys 858	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:29:00 - [7] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: PotatoOverdose wrote: I thought all the slowcats were afk? How can someone that is afk possibly recall drones, let alone launch and assist additional flights of drones? So what if they aren't? That's hardly central to anyone's arguments. But then why do you guys keep repeating it, in every single thread and news article? Why the deception? Edit - Gold: knobber Jobbler wrote: Drone assist sentries is the best mechanic, log in, join fleet, deploy drones, **** off down the pub. By the time I get back its either downtime or the node collapsed. On the rare occasions where I can't go completey AFK I can have some quality world of tanks time, I'm hoping it doesn't get fixed so I can play clan wars and take sov. Its easier than orbiting and pressing F1. Perfect.
PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys 858	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:33:00 - [8] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: Because it's still a good point about the mechanic being stupid. You can fight without being there. What an awesome game. But you're obviously lying, as per your post 4 posts up. Why all the lies? James Amril-Kesh wrote: PotatoOverdose wrote: I thought all the slowcats were afk? How can someone that is afk possibly recall drones, let alone launch and assist additional flights of drones? So what if they aren't? That's hardly central to anyone's arguments.
PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys 860	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:41:00 - [9] - Quote This thread is getting good. So, the CFC can't bomb the sentries because the AFK archons would pull their drones while being totes afks. Great narrative, bro.
PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys 860	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:51:00 - [10] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Winning with subcaps is the only chance they have and you want to take that away from everyone including yourselves. Tell me, when was the last time someone took and held sov from the CFC using only subcaps. Oh....never......oh dear...... baltec1 wrote: The very fact that it is impossible for new alliances to build a capital fleet to challange either of our groups ever should be enough to show how broken the current situation is. You know, you may have a point here. Maybe cap construction should be opened up more, so that everyone would have a chance for a combined arms approach to fleets. Will the CFC pursue such a change with equal vigor?
PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys 860	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:56:00 - [11] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: PotatoOverdose wrote: You know, you may have a point here. Maybe cap construction should be opened up more, so that everyone would have a chance for a combined arms approach to fleets. Will the CFC pursue such a change with equal vigor? Anyone can build capital ships in lowsec. I wouldn't be surprised if there were still ways to buy a number of supers even for those who don't have sov or allies with sov. So you're saying that baltec was wrong when he said: baltec1 wrote: The very fact that it is impossible for new alliances to build a capital fleet to challange either of our groups ever should be enough to show how broken the current situation is. So in fact, since building a capital fleet is not a problem, the current situation isn't broken?
PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys 862	Posted - 2014.01.10 21:00:00 - [12] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: Read what he then said: baltec1 wrote: Wont make a difference. The old capitals are still there and for every one you build they are also building one. You simply cannot catch up as they are just not getting killed in enough numbers. I'm sorry, this thread started moving so fast after AFK archons started pulling their sentries, my connection must be experiencing tidi. So is the new narrative, "Grrrrrr Capitals, Grrrrrr?"
PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys 862	Posted - 2014.01.10 21:08:00 - [13] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Grath Telkin wrote: Oh and this litle gem here, 400+ carriers die in 60 days but according to Baltec here they're just not getting killed in enough numbers.... How many were supers or titans? So we now have AFK Archons pulling sentries and Drone Assisting Titans and Supers. This thread IS getting good.
PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys 862	Posted - 2014.01.10 21:14:00 - [14] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: so it's just an outlier that you're quoting? Wouldn't call ~2 months of war an outlier when discussing wars between the 2 major powerblocs.
PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys 863	Posted - 2014.01.10 21:23:00 - [15] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: PotatoOverdose wrote: Dave Stark wrote: so it's just an outlier that you're quoting? Wouldn't call ~2 months of war an outlier when discussing wars between the 2 major powerblocs. do you think 60 days of war, out of a game with 10 years of history, is a suitable frame to estimate the death rate of capital ships? Tbh I don't think the ten years of history are terribly relevant. First off, capitals haven't even existed for all of those years. When they were introduced, in the first few years the amount of caps in the game was tiny. Hell even through 2007-2009 caps weren't THAT common. IMO (and I could be wrong about this) it wasn't until the DRF wars that caps saw truly massive use. So at best, we're talking about 4 years or so of really relevant history. And well....60 days out of 4 years isn't really negligible, especially given that the conflict is ongoing.
PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys 863	Posted - 2014.01.10 21:25:00 - [16] - Quote Ka'Narlist wrote: baltec1 wrote: So no, its not cowardness its simple numbers. In a supercap war we will run out before they do which will leave us unable to defend our space. We will ciontinue to slowly catch up and overtake them in a few years. This issue has been getting on for a decade in the making but this is a matter for another time So the actual problem is that they are more (cap pilots) then you? Well this never was a problem for the CFC when its the other way around, and certainly no huge game inbalance Shhhhh, don't disrupt their narrative. Grrrr Capitals, Grrrrrr.
PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys 864	Posted - 2014.01.10 21:34:00 - [17] - Quote So just keeping track, the CFC would like the following things nerfed: Sentry Drones Drone Assist Capitals (particularly the evil archon that can pull drones while afk) Super Capitals Titans Alright CCP, you've got you're work cut out for you, chop chop.
PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys 865	Posted - 2014.01.10 21:37:00 - [18] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Well you could start by telling us all how a subcap fleet can beat the carrier fleets now being deployed. Tell the countless alliances how they can beat either of us when we hold all of the cards. Tell them why this time CCP should not nerf capitals that cannot be killed by subacaps. When's the last time another alliance took and held YOUR alliances' sov using only subcaps. Go on, I'll wait. You aren't looking for balance, you just want to nerf the other guy so you can win your current war.
PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys 865	Posted - 2014.01.10 21:41:00 - [19] - Quote For the Lazy, from CCP Greyscale: Quote: Dreadnaughts are primarily anti-structure tools, with anti-capital as a secondary role. The capital ships you're looking for to deal with battleships are carriers.
PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys 867	Posted - 2014.01.10 21:51:00 - [20] - Quote baltec1 wrote: PotatoOverdose wrote: baltec1 wrote: Well you could start by telling us all how a subcap fleet can beat the carrier fleets now being deployed. Tell the countless alliances how they can beat either of us when we hold all of the cards. Tell them why this time CCP should not nerf capitals that cannot be killed by subacaps. When's the last time another alliance took and held YOUR alliances' sov using only subcaps. Go on, I'll wait. You aren't looking for balance, you just want to nerf the other guy so you can win your current war. BL and 401k in the fountain campaign. There is a reason we started to pay BL to not attack us. So they took sov and held it? Where, and for how long? Also, as I recall, they had ~150 of your carriers **** caged. If carriers are so overpowered, pray tell how that happened?
PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys 867	Posted - 2014.01.10 21:59:00 - [21] - Quote baltec1 wrote: PotatoOverdose wrote: So they took sov and held it? Where, and for how long? Also, as I recall, they had ~150 of your carriers ** caged. If carriers are so overpowered, pray tell how that happened? It wasn't 150 carriers, I doubt it was even 70, at the time it was thought of as a sizeable fleet. They only stopped when we paid them. So.....you had to pay someone to let your overpowered carriers go? What were they, nidhoggurs? So is the new narrative: "Grrrrrr, Capitals are overpowered except when we use them, GRRRRRRRRRR?" My point still stands. When's the last time another alliance took and held YOUR alliances' sov using only subcaps. BL/401k certainly didn't take and hold** your sov for long, if at all.
PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys 867	Posted - 2014.01.10 22:01:00 - [22] - Quote Grrrrrr, risk aversion, grrrrrrr. CCP plz nerf other guy.
PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys 867	Posted - 2014.01.10 22:05:00 - [23] - Quote baltec1 wrote: PotatoOverdose wrote: My point still stands. When's the last time another alliance took and held YOUR alliances' sov using only subcaps. BL/401k certainly didn't take and hold your sov for long, if at all. BL turned on 401k and we got our space back without further conflict. Whether we paid them or not doesn't matter, they successfully attacked us. You asked for an example and I gave it. I asked for an example where someone took and held sov against you using subcaps. You have not provided it. People "attack" the CFC everyday. But when Harry Forever "attacks" you, no one gives a damn.