Hello,

I am curios about how the EVE comunity land on the Cpt Phillips movie. EVE is know about having very intelligent people doing all level of pvp activities. Also, we.. love pirates. Just because they are intelligent and beware of all of the game mechanics.

I know that the majority of the EVE community is based in USA, people who hate the somalian pirates and also the somalian people (see black hawk down). I DO NOT wanna take conclusion over what is bad or wrong, I'm just really curios about how people feel about the movie, what's the general feeling about the somalians whom live in USA, etc.

Thank You.

I know that the majority of the EVE community is based in USA, people who hate the somalian pirates and also the somalian people (see black hawk down)

You wanna know what I think about the movie?

I think the movie has nothing to do with EvE online.

In the case I was blurred: is about piracy. Piracy vs civilized world which means taxes, politicians, taxes and ..taxes.

Also Ridley Scott is not very good.

I saw Black Hawk Down. It didn't make me hate somali's, just Ridley Scott for wasting 2 hours of my life I will never get back. A stupid shouty "Oh look at us we are America f*ck yeah" movie that made no sense.

Also, yes, agree with Ramona, this needs to be moved or locked, what a stupid thread, and I know about Stupid, trust me.

He made Alien. And Bladerunner. That's good enough for me.

Hello,

I am curios about how the EVE comunity land on the Cpt Phillips movie. EVE is know about having very intelligent people doing all level of pvp activities. Also, we.. love pirates. Just because they are intelligent and beware of all of the game mechanics.

I know that the majority of the EVE community is based in USA, people who hate the somalian pirates and also the somalian people (see black hawk down). I DO NOT wanna take conclusion over what is bad or wrong, I'm just really curios about how people feel about the movie, what's the general feeling about the somalians whom live in USA, etc.

Thank You.

Wow way to make an EXTREMELY sweeping and judgemental statement.

Im certain that it will win you many friends and your influence will grow as a result.

Also Ridley Scott is not very good.

Unlike Ramona I'm not so upset by 'EXTREMELY sweeping and judgemental statement[s]'.

I have a hunch that your average American couldn't point to Somalia on a map. I know where it is, I know what it's like from second hand sources, I know about the events in Mogadishu. I simply don't care about Somalia. I think that's the strongest feeling you'd find from the average American towards Somalia, too. That is, if Ramona could pardon my 'EXTREMELY sweeping judgemental statement' to say so.

As far as that's concerned, it's a stretch to relate real life piracy to EVE.

fyi It's spelled, 'judgmental.' Don't get your panties in a bunch.

This is interesting. I have friends who are Somalis, and frankly they are my only real interaction with the Somali people. From what they tell me, most people in their country are like them, its only the smallest minority are complete asshats and ruin the image for everyone. They also let me know that the rest of the world thinks America is full of John Wayne Douchebaggery, but from what they've seen they cant figure out why. I don't judge an entire culture based off the actions of a few pirates.

But hey, what do I know..right? I should judge everyone by what Hollywood shows me too. Im going to go paint my face and tuck some brush in my hat and wait in the yard for my Russian mailman. WOLVERINES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is interesting. I have friends who are Somalis, and frankly they are my only real interaction with the Somali people. From what they tell me, most people in their country are like them, its only the smallest minority are complete asshats and ruin the image for everyone. They also let me know that the rest of the world thinks America is full of John Wayne Douchebaggery, but from what they've seen they cant figure out why. I don't judge an entire culture based off the actions of a few pirates.

But hey, what do I know..right? I should judge everyone by what Hollywood shows me too. Im going to go paint my face and tuck some brush in my hat and wait in the yard for my Russian mailman. WOLVERINES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hello,

I am curios about how the EVE comunity land on the Cpt Phillips movie. EVE is know about having very intelligent people doing all level of pvp activities. Also, we.. love pirates. Just because they are intelligent and beware of all of the game mechanics.

I know that the majority of the EVE community is based in USA, people who hate the somalian pirates and also the somalian people (see black hawk down). I DO NOT wanna take conclusion over what is bad or wrong, I'm just really curios about how people feel about the movie, what's the general feeling about the somalians whom live in USA, etc.

Thank You.

fyi It's spelled, 'judgmental.' Don't get your panties in a bunch.

Not in British English it isn't.
But let's not end a tradition of US bastardising the English language.

As for the OP... Eve is a game, Captain Philips is a film, you would be wise not to attribute characteristics of either of them to a nationality of people who exist in the real world.

The notions that various governments have about Somalia and the notions that Eve players have about nullsec are comparable.

Somalia is said to be "living under anarchy" as if to imply that it's a constant free for all of violence and mayhem when in fact, outside of Mog, the tribes get along most of the time and their cattle production has had positive GDP at times. Most of the land is owned by the tribes and that being private property is well cared for.

But the comparison is such, we in the west are supposed to go "ooooh! Anarchy! They eat babies!" and then hug our own tyrannical governments so much more.


The "governments" of Eve perpetuate the myth that nullsec is the zone of instant gank and failure - unless you join their alliance of course.

So if you want a comparison, the ONLY thing that compares is the propaganda and the perception of people who believe only what they are told by other people with an agenda.

The rest... meh.

And those Somali "Pirates", uh..... once again it's part of the narrative. Yeah "Somalia has anarchy and therefore... PIRRRAAATESSS!". Yeah, in America, the Coast Guard boards you saying they are looking for drugs and weapons and then asks you about your personal life trying to get anything you say so they can use it against you.

These "pirates" in Somalia are called thus by.. governments... and what were some of these governments doing off the coast of Somalia before these "pirates"?

They were dumping toxic waste. Somali fishermen, having their livelihood destroyed, and no real navy to speak of, had to take matters into their own hands.


So, less than an hour of searching the internet will reveal the truth about Somalia (but hey, that's Africa and they are black and have no oil so screw it, right? It's not trendy enough - hey look over there, someone said something politically incorrect! CHARGE!!!) and less than a week of searching New Eden will reveal the truth about the game too.

Ow you almost hurt my feeling with that one

You seem quite bothered by the fact other people might have an opinion on ill-informed and quite frankly ridiculously reactionary statements.

But if you don't think saying "All Americans must think this way.." is an extremely sweeping statement, you should probably check the meaning of the phrase out.

That said, you seem to think most Americans are stupid, so I suppose you do understand it, even if you can't actually put it into a recognisable or coherent thought.

And yes, you pointed out my spelling mistake twice. Good for you.

Here's a little gold star for you *pin*

Now you can be a cowboy.

[quote=Kali Kaline]Somalia is possible to be the best stuff

]Somalia! Is possible to be the best of Africa

I know that the majority of the EVE community is based in USA, people who hate the somalian pirates and also the somalian people (see black hawk down).

Hello,

I am curios about how the EVE comunity land on the Cpt Phillips movie. EVE is know about having very intelligent people doing all level of pvp activities. Also, we.. love pirates. Just because they are intelligent and beware of all of the game mechanics.

I know that the majority of the EVE community is based in USA, people who hate the somalian pirates and also the somalian people (see black hawk down). I DO NOT wanna take conclusion over what is bad or wrong, I'm just really curios about how people feel about the movie, what's the general feeling about the somalians whom live in USA, etc.

Thank You.

Just a note. I don't think most americans "hate" the somalian people, I think we're ignorant about them. The US government's policies (for better or worse) are focused strongly on international trade, and somali pirates being in the news doesn't exactly get them good press.

The present objective is to declare that "terrists" are in control of Somalia and use that as an excuse to expand military involvement there in the long term.

You see there is oil under Somalia, but the oil companies don't want to confront the land owners (the tribes) that own it.

We can't have Somalis benefiting from their own oil. It's bad enough that the Norwegians and Venezuelans got to profit from their own oil and we can't have this happen you see. Oil execs need to keep those huge incomes up because the American government is not bought out cheaply.

So the long term goal is to further extremism in Africa (I was told about Libya and Egypt by an "insider" 2 years before it happened) and then in the chaos, install governments more friendly to oil companies so all that great oil rich land can be robbed from the owners.

The owners will probably be equated with "plantation owners of the American South" or something or be called "landlords" or some other word that has a negative connotation so Boobus Americanus, only partially paying attention (those semi-AFK people) will automatically side with the narrative of the state.

Not in British English it isn't.
But let's not end a tradition of US bastardising the English language.

As for the OP... Eve is a game, Captain Philips is a film, you would be wise not to attribute characteristics of either of them to a nationality of people who exist in the real world.

Why would Americans hate Somalis? We don't hate Iraqis, Afghanis, Bosnians or Serbians, Panamanians, Yugoslavs, Colombians, Dominicans, Vietnamese, Koreans, Russians, Italians, Japanese, or Germans, so why would Somalis be special?

There's no sense in hating your wartime enemies. You accomplish the goals of the war (or not), and then you're done. Hating them just makes it harder to be done with the war after it's over. It's especially counterproductive to decide you hate the civilians of your enemy countries.

Just to stay in line with the sweeping statement control, I know for a fact that there are US citizens that do in fact hate all the above mentioned sub populations of the planet earth

The most tacit and passive-aggressive form of hatred of "outlanders" you will find in America is grounded in a thing called American Exceptionalism

(it's also destroying America as people think they are free just for being Americans, while technically and logically, they are not)

Just to stay in line with the sweeping statement control, I know for a fact that there are US citizens that do in fact hate all the above mentioned sub populations of the planet earth

Sure, but that's not an American thing, that's just a matter of there being bigots everywhere.

Just a note. I don't think most americans "hate" the somalian people, I think we're ignorant about them. The US government's policies (for better or worse) are focused strongly on international trade, and somali pirates being in the news doesn't exactly get them good press.

Oh look, another troll thread about US aggression by the people who colonized and blew half the world to hell twice.

Here, have a holiday.

I'm a Merchant Seaman

Here is a short list of american aggression since WW2 https://wikispooks.com/wiki/US_Bombing_campaigns_since_1945

You take that list seriously when even Wikipedia has to announce "Wikipedia bias

Substantial bias can be seen in many parts of the Wikipedia articles (e.g. no mention of the successful World Court action by Nicaragua against the US). Partly this is simply concealment of the overall picture in the mass of detail. Note that the article is rated as of 'low importance'. Other clues such as the talk page confirm the difficulty faced by editors attempting to restore objectivity to the page in the face of a bevy of editors beholden to the Official Narrative. " on the bottom of the page? Even Wiki is saying this is bullshit.

This may get as shock to you, but Cpt P is not a movie.

English was a bastard language before we got our hands on it you. Get off your Queen's English High Horse. I love British comedy, but let me tell you what; British English has extremely sloppy versions itself....and trust me, I am pretty sure I have heard mounds more of dirty English variants than you have

please tell me the ones that are incorrect.
are you denying american involvement in backing insurgents in Nicaragua? In terrorist outrages against Cuban hotels and civilian airliners? In bombing cambodia and loas? invading grenada or panama?
the rights and wrongs of these actions can be discussed i suppose but to deny they took place (apart from 1 or 2) seems a bit surreal

please tell me the ones that are incorrect.
are you denying american involvement in backing insurgents in Nicaragua? In terrorist outrages against Cuban hotels and civilian airliners? In bombing cambodia and loas? invading grenada or panama?
the rights and wrongs of these actions can be discussed i suppose but to deny they took place (apart from 1 or 2) seems a bit surreal

Hey now we didn't start those scraps but we sure as hell manned up and took the brunt of the punches and won.

The whole list is taking an anthill of truth and turning it into a mountain of bullshit. More then half that list is unfounded and blown out of proportion, and some of it is outright lies.
Backing insurgents in Nicaragua? Terrorist outrages against Cuba? Bombing cambodia and loas? Invading grenada or panama? an anthill of truth and you turn it into a mountain of bullshit.

If you don't know the facts that the US Goverment agencies (say the CIA) has been involved in several overthrows of democratically elected governments, then well... I suppose the current government doesn't bother you that much either.

These are one of those topics that I don't want to get involved with. Just in case things really go bad and my chat logs get me a visit in the middle of the night and taken to a room with a guy with a rubber hose and some electric car batteries.

I suffer no illusion that I do not live in nation that respects democracies and human rights.

But like people who live in fascist nations throughout history, I will survive and even sing "Long live our glorious leaders!" if needed.

Hello,

I am curios about how the EVE comunity land on the Cpt Phillips movie. EVE is know about having very intelligent people doing all level of pvp activities. Also, we.. love pirates. Just because they are intelligent and beware of all of the game mechanics.

I know that the majority of the EVE community is based in USA, people who hate the somalian pirates and also the somalian people (see black hawk down). I DO NOT wanna take conclusion over what is bad or wrong, I'm just really curios about how people feel about the movie, what's the general feeling about the somalians whom live in USA, etc.

Thank You.

You mean we got involved after everyone else did and only lost hundreds of thousands while a particular ally of ours engaged 75% of the enemey forces and lost tens of millions in the process.

You mean we got involved after everyone else did and only lost hundreds of thousands while a particular ally of ours engaged 75% of the enemey forces and lost tens of millions in the process.

The whole list is taking an anthill of truth and turning it into a mountain of bullshit. More then half that list is unfounded and blown out of proportion, and some of it is outright lies.
Backing insurgents in Nicaragua? Terrorist outrages against Cuba? Bombing cambodia and loas? Invading grenada or panama? an anthill of truth and you turn it into a mountain of bullshit.