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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.10 16:50:00 -
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every other profession in eve has been nerfed in some way except miners.
AFK and CareBear Miners need to be "slowed down as well"
How.....
I think they should make it so some ships can't belts depending on the sys sec rating.
Ex. only frigates(no indies, Crusiers, Battleships or Titians) would be able to enter .9 and 1.0 belts. And Battleships would not be able to enter .5 and above belts.
Also only newbs should be able to mine in .9 and 1.0 space. They could do this by either skill or time(Char age) ingame.
It would be easy to RP these examples. I know many places where Trucks are not alowed in parts of the city or to drive on some roads.
This would force players to move and progress in the game. Making them go out into the rest of the Eve world and experience everything, so people can't say that eve is boring and all people do is mine.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.10 17:00:00 -
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why should corps/individuals be forced to mine in low sec space? its not really worth it if all you need is trit/plag/etc...
Risk vs. Reward, there is little reward, so why should there be much risk?
HAVE YOU SEEN THE SIZE OF SOME OF THE VELD/PLAG/ECT....
This is because everyone AFK mines the easy minerals in high space and takes all the rare minerals in low space. And as you know they made it so when you mine a roid somewhere else another roid is growing and if nobody mine the common or out in the low sec which ones do you think are the roids growing???
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.10 17:04:00 -
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The very use of the term "carebear" in this topic's title eliminates any semblance of maturity/quality/constructive thought, and thus forces me to not spend much energy replying.
Such changes would be against the philosphies of EVE - that is to be able to do what you want.
And to the first reply: Deep Core mining will be dangerous (fireballs and stuff).
They have already made so many changes that go against there so call philsophies, because of the philsophy of ballance. ex. people with a neg rating are forced to live outside of empire space.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.10 17:20:00 -
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Better yet they should make jetting something what it really should be.
When you jet something is would be destroy, because you are throwing it away.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.10 17:29:00 -
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Better yet they should make jetting something what it really should be.
When you jet something is would be destroy, because you are throwing it away.
and then how exactly would you get hold of pirate loot, or loot from blowing up other ships? think again.
Bingo we have a winner. That is why we have them and why they are bottomless. Not to use for mining. But there is a diffence between a player dieing and a can being created and pressing the button to jet something.
If you were really out in space would you put your trash in a can everytime you threw it out?
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.10 17:39:00 -
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I think some of you missed the point..
I'll requote myself.
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This would force players to move and progress in the game. Making them go out into the rest of the Eve world and experience everything, so people can't say that eve is boring and all people do is mine.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.10 17:43:00 -
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People complain about boredom but are lazy at the same time, and cowardly...
for those people, go back to watching TV, no risk, no involvment, just entertainment.
Aggreed.
In my opinion only newbs should mine in .9 and above space.
They already forced players with neg ratings out.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.10 17:50:00 -
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Oh, and to answer your post in the locked thread, cmon, man, that WAS idiotic.
If I offended you I meant no harm from it.
I kinda agree but still point was well taken and if you notice the only threads locked were the opposite.
I think its a very good debate I kinda wish some people would thumb back a couple of pages and read past posts, but oh well. I really hope that that is how people took it.
I kinda don't like having to repeat my posts. BUT I have no problem with doing it, I don't want to be lazy, like afk miners, and people in battleships mining in 1.0 space.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.10 17:55:00 -
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Edited by: Kalhan on 10/09/2003 17:56:59
I think my Ideas help newbies and promote players expanding beyond empire space.
I don't believe AFK miners are "raking in the isk". It is kinda slow just mining those easy minerals to make money.
I think .8 and above arn't ment for experinces players.
Just as players with a neg rating aren't ment for .5 and up.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.10 18:02:00 -
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AFK miners can't earn nearly as much as active miners in low-sec systems; AFK mining is only a good idea in 1.0 space. Sure, I used to park my Indy in a belt and mine Plag for 90 minutes at a time, but whom does that harm? There's clearly a strong market for Mexallon - I can usually find a buyer at 16 isk.
I don't see why you're trying to influence the playstyle of others when they're not interfering with yours.
Because this would also help the market. By making it more risky to get all the minerals not just the hard ones.
It doesn't at all interfer with the way I play. I am as we speak mining out in 0.0. It is just my opinion. I provided a problem I think I see and a solution. So it is not whining either.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.10 18:32:00 -
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Hey no problem for me. All I will do is move my ship production to a .8 system, pay the miners more for their ore or minerals due to the increased risk, and the resulting lost of mining drones.
As I'll be paying more or the ore and minerals I guess my ship prices will rise - as will the cost of any item needing basic minerals.
I can't say why you want to get back at the people who are happy to mine, but without them players who want to purchase equipment are going to find it costly!
Relic
Exactly...
Also if players move out towords .4 space and below. They can shoot ore theives and stop whinning about it.
While I don't think newbs should be able to get there ore stolen... if you are mining in a BS or Crusier in .5 and above especially 1.0. You put yourself at risk.
Keep ore thieves ingame. Maybe even have some chars that steal from the rich BSs mining in .8 and up and dump the ore in the poor newb's can. A sort of Robin hood char.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.10 18:41:00 -
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I don't think forcing players out of high-sec space for mining is a good idea. Some players are content with mining in 1.0, and in fact prefer it for the very reason it has the 1.0 rating. It's secure! That should be the benefit of keeping your nose clean (and your sec-rating high).
The rewards of mining rare minerals in low-sec space surpass the meager profit in mining in 1.0. If the roid fields in 1.0 started to dry up, and newbs couldn't mine, then I would worry. But as it stands, I think there are bigger issues than afk miners...
hmmm... true.. I see your point as long as you mine in secure or non-secure contains(the ones you buy) and leave ore thieves in the game. Even some rewards have risks. If they make it even harder for Thieves(which is a allow profesion in eve) then there is no-risk at all.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.10 19:25:00 -
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Edited by: Kalhan on 10/09/2003 19:31:31
And here is where the ones who can't read post.
Plz read entire thread before posting plz.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.11 16:54:00 -
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"This would force players to move and progress in the game. Making them go out into the rest of the Eve world and experience everything, so people can't say that eve is boring and all people do is mine."
Why don't you say what you really want?, large numbers of non-combat orientated pilots in ships not equipped for combat to have to travel past you every hour so you can have your own rifle range and you can justify your existence by mass murder.
Well, if all you want are easy kills there are plenty of npcs provided for the purpose.
If that isn't enough then it just proves that the only reason you want to kill is because you know that it will annoy your victim.
Just because there are quite a lot of players who prefer to make slow but steady progress towards their own goals, without causing any other player any grief, is not a reason to change the game.
I don't even think he even read the posts or got anywhere close to what I was trying to say.
I havn't fired on anyone except BoP and we were at war. so I don't know where in the world he get Mass murder from.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.11 17:26:00 -
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Edited by: Kalhan on 11/09/2003 17:28:42
Sorry galk - I did make anouther post though taking out the word "Carebear" and "nerf" but not becuase you suggested it. The first time I posted it I couldn't quite come up with a word that described them. I wasn't tring to insult anyone.
As many times as I have read over that perticular post I don't even think it makes sense.
And most of the posters in the other threads arn't backing my ideas they have there own.
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