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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.10 16:50:00 -
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every other profession in eve has been nerfed in some way except miners.
AFK and CareBear Miners need to be "slowed down as well"
How.....
I think they should make it so some ships can't belts depending on the sys sec rating.
Ex. only frigates(no indies, Crusiers, Battleships or Titians) would be able to enter .9 and 1.0 belts. And Battleships would not be able to enter .5 and above belts.
Also only newbs should be able to mine in .9 and 1.0 space. They could do this by either skill or time(Char age) ingame.
It would be easy to RP these examples. I know many places where Trucks are not alowed in parts of the city or to drive on some roads.
This would force players to move and progress in the game. Making them go out into the rest of the Eve world and experience everything, so people can't say that eve is boring and all people do is mine.
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.09.10 16:52:00 -
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A little drastic IMHO. And restricting to the freedom of space.
One thing, make asteroids dangerous to mine... like they have explosive gas pockets...
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TekRa
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Posted - 2003.09.10 16:57:00 -
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why should corps/individuals be forced to mine in low sec space? its not really worth it if all you need is trit/plag/etc...
Risk vs. Reward, there is little reward, so why should there be much risk?
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Sylvius
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Posted - 2003.09.10 16:58:00 -
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How does AFK mining harm those who don't do it? Explain this to me.
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Carbon
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Posted - 2003.09.10 17:00:00 -
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The very use of the term "carebear" in this topic's title eliminates any semblance of maturity/quality/constructive thought, and thus forces me to not spend much energy replying.
Such changes would be against the philosphies of EVE - that is to be able to do what you want.
And to the first reply: Deep Core mining will be dangerous (fireballs and stuff).
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.10 17:00:00 -
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why should corps/individuals be forced to mine in low sec space? its not really worth it if all you need is trit/plag/etc...
Risk vs. Reward, there is little reward, so why should there be much risk?
HAVE YOU SEEN THE SIZE OF SOME OF THE VELD/PLAG/ECT....
This is because everyone AFK mines the easy minerals in high space and takes all the rare minerals in low space. And as you know they made it so when you mine a roid somewhere else another roid is growing and if nobody mine the common or out in the low sec which ones do you think are the roids growing???
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Keo Morigan
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Posted - 2003.09.10 17:00:00 -
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Edited by: Keo Morigan on 10/09/2003 17:01:26
yeah, gas pockets sounds like fun. Like bigger (stronger) gas bubbles in low sec space and so.. I would hate to get jumped by a couple of ascribers when mining and the gas bubble exploded, and I was in a pod (or destroyed due to the explosion) :D
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.10 17:04:00 -
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The very use of the term "carebear" in this topic's title eliminates any semblance of maturity/quality/constructive thought, and thus forces me to not spend much energy replying.
Such changes would be against the philosphies of EVE - that is to be able to do what you want.
And to the first reply: Deep Core mining will be dangerous (fireballs and stuff).
They have already made so many changes that go against there so call philsophies, because of the philsophy of ballance. ex. people with a neg rating are forced to live outside of empire space.
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TekRa
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Posted - 2003.09.10 17:11:00 -
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why should corps/individuals be forced to mine in low sec space? its not really worth it if all you need is trit/plag/etc...
Risk vs. Reward, there is little reward, so why should there be much risk?
HAVE YOU SEEN THE SIZE OF SOME OF THE VELD/PLAG/ECT....
This is because everyone AFK mines the easy minerals in high space and takes all the rare minerals in low space. And as you know they made it so when you mine a roid somewhere else another roid is growing and if nobody mine the common or out in the low sec which ones do you think are the roids growing???
Yeah, this isn't too great, but mayne the devs should have put a little more thought into this growing asteroid thing, and put a cap on the size of roids.
> With the lights out it's less dangerous. |
Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.10 17:20:00 -
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Better yet they should make jetting something what it really should be.
When you jet something is would be destroy, because you are throwing it away.
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.09.10 17:22:00 -
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yes, its well known that space instantly destroys anything released into it ... 
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TekRa
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Posted - 2003.09.10 17:23:00 -
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Better yet they should make jetting something what it really should be.
When you jet something is would be destroy, because you are throwing it away.
and then how exactly would you get hold of pirate loot, or loot from blowing up other ships? think again.
> With the lights out it's less dangerous. |
Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.10 17:29:00 -
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Better yet they should make jetting something what it really should be.
When you jet something is would be destroy, because you are throwing it away.
and then how exactly would you get hold of pirate loot, or loot from blowing up other ships? think again.
Bingo we have a winner. That is why we have them and why they are bottomless. Not to use for mining. But there is a diffence between a player dieing and a can being created and pressing the button to jet something.
If you were really out in space would you put your trash in a can everytime you threw it out?
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BSOD
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Posted - 2003.09.10 17:32:00 -
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How does AFK mining harm those who don't do it? Explain this to me.
Yeah. OMG one laser per ship is going to deplete every roid in the game!
HELP! NERF!
Oh, and it doesn't make sense... You ***** about AFK miners, and then you ***** that veld/scord roids (which are what AFKminers typically mine) are *TOO LARGE*??? Nice logic there.
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2003.09.10 17:35:00 -
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Uh huh.
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2003.09.10 17:35:00 -
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I don't think that you realize...
One full indy of plagioclase, lets say 6700m3, is worth about 290,000 ISK.
Let's say the average AFK miner has got Mining 4 and a Miner I.
137 plagio/minute, which would mean 78 minutes to fill an indy.
Now that's some badass money! 223k/hour isn't very bad... Or is it?
By the way, it's not like they are depleting the asteroids. Why do you even think about it?
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Shani
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Posted - 2003.09.10 17:35:00 -
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just check evebay to see how much isk the afkers are making a day.
ccp need to stop afk/macro mining...its a game killer
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.10 17:39:00 -
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I think some of you missed the point..
I'll requote myself.
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This would force players to move and progress in the game. Making them go out into the rest of the Eve world and experience everything, so people can't say that eve is boring and all people do is mine.
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.09.10 17:41:00 -
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People complain about boredom but are lazy at the same time, and cowardly...
for those people, go back to watching TV, no risk, no involvment, just entertainment.
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.09.10 17:43:00 -
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Oh, and to answer your post in the locked thread, cmon, man, that WAS idiotic.
If I offended you I meant no harm from it.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.10 17:43:00 -
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People complain about boredom but are lazy at the same time, and cowardly...
for those people, go back to watching TV, no risk, no involvment, just entertainment.
Aggreed.
In my opinion only newbs should mine in .9 and above space.
They already forced players with neg ratings out.
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BSOD
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Posted - 2003.09.10 17:47:00 -
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just check evebay to see how much isk the afkers are making a day.
ccp need to stop afk/macro mining...its a game killer
Um, please post proof that these are afkminers?
AFKmining maxes around 300k per hour in an indy with a Miner II and astro 4/mining 4. That's IF you have a buyer for trit at 1.5 and pyer at 4.5 lined up, and have an alt with refining efficiency 5.
Which is insignificant compared to the 15mill+ an hour a Thorax mining bistot can pull in at current megacyte prices (let alone a battleship chewing on bistot)
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.10 17:50:00 -
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Oh, and to answer your post in the locked thread, cmon, man, that WAS idiotic.
If I offended you I meant no harm from it.
I kinda agree but still point was well taken and if you notice the only threads locked were the opposite.
I think its a very good debate I kinda wish some people would thumb back a couple of pages and read past posts, but oh well. I really hope that that is how people took it.
I kinda don't like having to repeat my posts. BUT I have no problem with doing it, I don't want to be lazy, like afk miners, and people in battleships mining in 1.0 space.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.10 17:55:00 -
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Edited by: Kalhan on 10/09/2003 17:56:59
I think my Ideas help newbies and promote players expanding beyond empire space.
I don't believe AFK miners are "raking in the isk". It is kinda slow just mining those easy minerals to make money.
I think .8 and above arn't ment for experinces players.
Just as players with a neg rating aren't ment for .5 and up.
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Sylvius
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Posted - 2003.09.10 17:59:00 -
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Edited by: Sylvius on 10/09/2003 18:02:17
AFK miners can't earn nearly as much as active miners in low-sec systems; AFK mining is only a good idea in 1.0 space. Sure, I used to park my Indy in a belt and mine Plag for 90 minutes at a time, but whom does that harm? There's clearly a strong market for Mexallon - I can usually find a buyer at 16 isk.
I don't see why you're trying to influence the playstyle of others when they're not interfering with yours. Or newbies - nothing the AFK Miners are doing hurts the newbs.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.10 18:02:00 -
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AFK miners can't earn nearly as much as active miners in low-sec systems; AFK mining is only a good idea in 1.0 space. Sure, I used to park my Indy in a belt and mine Plag for 90 minutes at a time, but whom does that harm? There's clearly a strong market for Mexallon - I can usually find a buyer at 16 isk.
I don't see why you're trying to influence the playstyle of others when they're not interfering with yours.
Because this would also help the market. By making it more risky to get all the minerals not just the hard ones.
It doesn't at all interfer with the way I play. I am as we speak mining out in 0.0. It is just my opinion. I provided a problem I think I see and a solution. So it is not whining either.
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Sc0rpion
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Posted - 2003.09.10 18:06:00 -
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/emote giggles at the tritanium shortage that would ensue...
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Relic
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Posted - 2003.09.10 18:25:00 -
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Hey no problem for me. All I will do is move my ship production to a .8 system, pay the miners more for their ore or minerals due to the increased risk, and the resulting lost of mining drones.
As I'll be paying more or the ore and minerals I guess my ship prices will rise - as will the cost of any item needing basic minerals.
I can't say why you want to get back at the people who are happy to mine, but without them players who want to purchase equipment are going to find it costly!
Relic
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2003.09.10 18:28:00 -
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Hmm, if people are stupid enough to AFK-mine and whine about how much EVE sucks, then let them. I think most players know better than that.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.10 18:32:00 -
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Hey no problem for me. All I will do is move my ship production to a .8 system, pay the miners more for their ore or minerals due to the increased risk, and the resulting lost of mining drones.
As I'll be paying more or the ore and minerals I guess my ship prices will rise - as will the cost of any item needing basic minerals.
I can't say why you want to get back at the people who are happy to mine, but without them players who want to purchase equipment are going to find it costly!
Relic
Exactly...
Also if players move out towords .4 space and below. They can shoot ore theives and stop whinning about it.
While I don't think newbs should be able to get there ore stolen... if you are mining in a BS or Crusier in .5 and above especially 1.0. You put yourself at risk.
Keep ore thieves ingame. Maybe even have some chars that steal from the rich BSs mining in .8 and up and dump the ore in the poor newb's can. A sort of Robin hood char.
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