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SlickReed
Dominion Tenebrarum Axiomatic Dominion
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Posted - 2014.01.12 18:38:00 -
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Does anyone know how much it will cost? |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
9133
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Posted - 2014.01.12 18:41:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:Counter example: Lear vs. Thunderbolt IIOne is obviously more aesthetically-refined, but I know which one *I* find more attractive.
A-10 all the way. I like a woman with some meat on her bones...and who could bust a tank. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8295
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Posted - 2014.01.12 18:46:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:SegaPhoenix wrote:Forget the looks, what about the function of the ship? Dem bonuses Those of you who think it looks bad (it looks beautiful, much more like something real than all the other ships in Eve) just need to learn to appreciate it. Those of you who can't see how to use it with those bonuses, well, your going to miss out. Me and a small gang will rule the skies with these things. I will take out great swathes of opposition, 2 vs 20 man battles and I will kill everything. Those bonuses are beautiful. Your not looking at the big picture. The short sightedness of everyone in here is incredible. Have fun hitting anything with your sentries without optimal/tracking bonuses and without many omnis (you'll need cap mods and tackle). The opposition could bring one Armageddon and you'll die in a fire. My EVE Videos |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
140
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Posted - 2014.01.12 21:05:00 -
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SlickReed wrote:Does anyone know how much it will cost?
The major component of building them is the 600K LP for the BPC in highsec where the majority of SOE ships are built.
I currently average around 3 ISK per LP on other SOE ships and products meaning it will cost around 2 Billion to build one in high sec.
The sell price will eventually settle somewhere above 2 Billion but they may initially sell for twice that in the initial flurry to get one. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
140
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Posted - 2014.01.12 21:13:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Arduemont wrote:SegaPhoenix wrote:Forget the looks, what about the function of the ship? Dem bonuses Those of you who think it looks bad (it looks beautiful, much more like something real than all the other ships in Eve) just need to learn to appreciate it. Those of you who can't see how to use it with those bonuses, well, your going to miss out. Me and a small gang will rule the skies with these things. I will take out great swathes of opposition, 2 vs 20 man battles and I will kill everything. Those bonuses are beautiful. Your not looking at the big picture. The short sightedness of everyone in here is incredible. Have fun hitting anything with your sentries without optimal/tracking bonuses and without many omnis (you'll need cap mods and tackle). The opposition could bring one Armageddon and you'll die in a fire.
Yep fit for pulse and try for close range drones you need omnis in the mids to track and hence have to armor tank but lose DDAs and not enough grid. Try and fit beams for range and you run out of grid for tach but assuming you get a beam fit to work, you do not have the targeting range which again will require sebos which again steal mids from your omnis or DDAs from your lows.
My personal preference is a touch more targeting range and power grid ... but every one seems to have their own ideas on how to "fix" this ship. |
Argus Greymoore
Something for Nothing
2
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Posted - 2014.01.12 22:35:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:silens vesica wrote:Counter example: Lear vs. Thunderbolt IIOne is obviously more aesthetically-refined, but I know which one *I* find more attractive. A-10 all the way. I like a woman with some meat on her bones...and who could bust a tank.
I always thought the A-10 was a sweet looking plane. I could never figure our why folks think it's ugly. Then again, maybe I just like ugly. |
Damsel in Distress
Brave Newbies Inc.
89
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Posted - 2014.01.13 01:53:00 -
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I don't care about the looks - the ship needs a cov ops cloak - all problems (including the looks) solved.
CCP act as if a BS with a cov ops cloak would be OP, but given the sorry state BS are in atm, I wouldn't even fly a nestor or a black ops if they had a cov ops cloak... |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4111
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Posted - 2014.01.13 06:32:00 -
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The worst part about the Nestor is finding a use for it that justifies the cost and it's status as instant truckload of green on a killboard.
It can't warp cloaked and cannot fit a covert cyno like its smaller cousins, and has no real special ability beyond having a lower mass for wormhole travel - which is a problem that wormholers have lived around for years now. I tried to wrap my mind around this one, but cannot. Projected price is going to be 700 million. There's a lot of other ships that'll do the job for less and not be hunted down strictly "for the kill" either. It's going to need some other special capability to justify the price and the risk of undocking it.
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Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
777
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Posted - 2014.01.13 09:12:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Projected price is going to be 700 million but maybe over a billion (factor in the LP "cost"). That is an extremely optimistic value.
Going further with the Excel magic and looking at BUY orders for items unique to the SOE store, I get an estimated sale price (excluding material costs) at 1.5 B ISK.
It is probably fair to speculate that at least half of the pirate battleships currently on the market has been produced by BPCs found in DED complexes, and as the Nestor is not planned to have that option, its price will be much higher than the rest.
Of course, this also hints that the SOE ship BPCs likely will be included in a drop table somewhere. Perhaps Ghost Sites... Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1952
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Posted - 2014.01.13 09:21:00 -
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Etria Issen wrote:Please, nothing can look uglier then Minmatar ships, at least!
I pretty much only fly Gallante ships (skill set) but Minmatar ships are some of the best looking in the game. This is not a signature. |
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Lipbite
Express Hauler
1723
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Posted - 2014.01.13 10:18:00 -
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SegaPhoenix wrote:Forget the looks, what about the function of the ship? Dem bonuses Functions don't matter when the company desperately need some placeholders to call a patch "an expansion". |
Nami Kumamato
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
99
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Posted - 2014.01.13 14:02:00 -
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SegaPhoenix wrote:Forget the looks, what about the function of the ship? Dem bonuses
100 Nestors rep-ing each other and on drone-assist. Wouldn't it be the nightmarish subcap equivalent of Archon/Aeons ?
I think... |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
570
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Posted - 2014.01.13 14:56:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Yep fit for pulse and try for close range drones you need omnis in the mids to track and hence have to armor tank but lose DDAs and not enough grid. Try and fit beams for range and you run out of grid for tach but assuming you get a beam fit to work, you do not have the targeting range which again will require sebos which again steal mids from your omnis or DDAs from your lows.
My personal preference is a touch more targeting range and power grid ... but every one seems to have their own ideas on how to "fix" this ship.
If you are planning on missioning in high sec then turrets and sentry makes sense. i suspect for WH sites and pvp no one will be putting turrets on but using high slots for RR, cap transfer and ???neuts???. (poss also combat scanners) This is what i was saying earlier. If you try and turn this ship into a swiss army knife in one fit you are just not going to make it work well. This will be a ship where you will see huge differences in fitting depending on the owners need. here is a list of all the fiat currencies that didn't end up at zero value.....and here is a list of the places where a currency pegged to a real commodity has successfully co-existed with compound interest....-á Here is a physics professor explaining why sustainable growth isn't a thing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Polarized.
1284
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Posted - 2014.01.13 16:55:00 -
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Nami Kumamato wrote:SegaPhoenix wrote:Forget the looks, what about the function of the ship? Dem bonuses 100 Nestors rep-ing each other and on drone-assist. Wouldn't it be the nightmarish subcap equivalent of Archon/Aeons ? I think...
Then why not use an carrier instead of a less tanky BS that costs about the same? Or do you see these 100 man Nestor fleets being used in high sec? +1 |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9817
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Posted - 2014.01.13 19:01:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:Nami Kumamato wrote:SegaPhoenix wrote:Forget the looks, what about the function of the ship? Dem bonuses 100 Nestors rep-ing each other and on drone-assist. Wouldn't it be the nightmarish subcap equivalent of Archon/Aeons ? I think... Then why not use an carrier instead of a less tanky BS that costs about the same? Or do you see these 100 man Nestor fleets being used in high sec?
Shh, don't tell them that most fleets of anything can alpha them away. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
456
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Posted - 2014.01.13 21:24:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:It takes an educated gentleman to appreciate the beauty of the Nestor. So you dont appreciate it then?....thanks for the heads up |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
965
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Posted - 2014.01.13 21:34:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Arduemont wrote:SegaPhoenix wrote:Forget the looks, what about the function of the ship? Dem bonuses Those of you who think it looks bad (it looks beautiful, much more like something real than all the other ships in Eve) just need to learn to appreciate it. Those of you who can't see how to use it with those bonuses, well, your going to miss out. Me and a small gang will rule the skies with these things. I will take out great swathes of opposition, 2 vs 20 man battles and I will kill everything. Those bonuses are beautiful. Your not looking at the big picture. The short sightedness of everyone in here is incredible. Have fun hitting anything with your sentries without optimal/tracking bonuses and without many omnis (you'll need cap mods and tackle). The opposition could bring one Armageddon and you'll die in a fire. Sentries were a favorite for PvE and some PvP drone use well before the ships using them had damage application bonuses, so how did the ships without them suddenly become unusable? |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
148
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Posted - 2014.01.13 21:54:00 -
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Jowen Datloran wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Projected price is going to be 700 million but maybe over a billion (factor in the LP "cost"). That is an extremely optimistic value. Going further with the Excel magic and looking at BUY orders for items unique to the SOE store, I get an estimated sale price (excluding material costs) at 1.5 B ISK. It is probably fair to speculate that at least half of the pirate battleships currently on the market has been produced by BPCs found in DED complexes, and as the Nestor is not planned to have that option, its price will be much higher than the rest. Of course, this also hints that the SOE ship BPCs likely will be included in a drop table somewhere. Perhaps Ghost Sites...
Actually the Astero still sells for 90-100 million ISK and 600 LP will get you 20 Astero BPC so 1.5 Billion is the minimal build cost for a high sec mission runner. 1 Billion minimum if you make them in sanctuary.
700 million is just wishful thinking.
BTW there is no rational lore reason to get Nestor BPC from ghost sites. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8316
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Posted - 2014.01.13 22:24:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Sentries were a favorite for PvE and some PvP drone use well before the ships using them had damage application bonuses, so how did the ships without them suddenly become unusable? Did any of these ships cost 2 billion isk? My EVE Videos |
Jill Chastot
Oath of the Forsaken Ragnarok.
161
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Posted - 2014.01.13 22:36:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Sentries were a favorite for PvE and some PvP drone use well before the ships using them had damage application bonuses, so how did the ships without them suddenly become unusable? Did any of these ships cost 2 billion isk?
With 2b isk ima just go get an archon.... https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=298596&find=unreadOATHS wants you. Come to the WH |
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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
2593
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Posted - 2014.01.13 23:15:00 -
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Does the Nestor remind anyone else of the 2001: A Space Odyssey ships? Sort of the same theme. Edit: Another 2001 ship. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
148
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Posted - 2014.01.13 23:27:00 -
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Jill Chastot wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Sentries were a favorite for PvE and some PvP drone use well before the ships using them had damage application bonuses, so how did the ships without them suddenly become unusable? Did any of these ships cost 2 billion isk? With 2b isk ima just go get an archon....
Though your not getting an Archon into hisec ... which is where a lot of these things will live. But point taken.
Thing is people will pay 2 Billion for a ship without a problem. If it was useful to the incursion community for example they would snap it up.
The price is a problem because the source of BPCs is currently limited to SOE stations and there is already a huge demand for stuff that needs SOE LP. Thus the price is fixed by the demand for other SOE stuff rather than anything directly related to the ship itself.
In the end though, the ship WILL sell well, and people will find uses for it :D
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
965
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Posted - 2014.01.13 23:42:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Sentries were a favorite for PvE and some PvP drone use well before the ships using them had damage application bonuses, so how did the ships without them suddenly become unusable? Did any of these ships cost 2 billion isk? They don't, but that's irrelevant for the case of your criticism in this instance. |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
877
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Posted - 2014.01.13 23:58:00 -
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As myself and others have stated in the F&I thread, this ship has no real purpose. At any given role, there are a plethora of ships that will do the job better. Add to that the fact that most of those ships will almost always be cheaper, and the nestor just plain confuses me.
Wasn't there just a big initiative (tiercide) to reduce the number of useless ships in eve? Why would CCP want to add a subpar BS?
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Lord Ryan
True Xero True Zombies
882
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Posted - 2014.01.14 14:22:00 -
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I like it!
Do not assume-áanything above this line-áwas typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
2092
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Posted - 2014.01.14 14:26:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:As myself and others have stated in the F&I thread, this ship has no real purpose. At any given role, there are a plethora of ships that will do the job better. Add to that the fact that most of those ships will almost always be cheaper, and the nestor just plain confuses me. Wasn't there just a big initiative (tiercide) to reduce the number of useless ships in eve? Why would CCP want to add a subpar BS?
Because a bunch of people screamed for it after the frigate and cruiser were announced.
That's about the only reason I can see. Otherwise, this ship will have to work pretty hard to make up it's pricetag. I can never see myself using it.
The only thing that justifies the pricetag of the other 2 is their ability to use cloaks. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Seven Koskanaiken
Sons Of Saints Circle-Of-Two
710
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Posted - 2014.01.14 14:54:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:[quote=SegaPhoenix] Those of you who think it looks bad (it looks beautiful, much more like something real than all the other ships in Eve) just need to learn to appreciate it.
I bet you are the type of person who fancies Sarah Jessica Parker.
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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
2598
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Posted - 2014.01.14 17:19:00 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Arduemont wrote:[quote=SegaPhoenix] Those of you who think it looks bad (it looks beautiful, much more like something real than all the other ships in Eve) just need to learn to appreciate it. I bet you are the type of person who fancies Sarah Jessica Parker. That made me larf |
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