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Zeonog	Posted - 2006.03.21 12:18:00 - [31] I believe in the future, buying/selling game items for cash will be allowed for all mmorpg's. Its just a matter of time.
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.03.21 12:31:00 - [32] Originally by: Zeonog Edited by: Zeonog on 21/03/2006 11:55:58 Main thing I see is, you can buy GTC and sell for isk, so complaining about being able to buy isk from ebay is rather amusing. Can anyone say hypocritical? This is extremely limiting cause no isk seller has a limetless need for GTCs. And it allows people with excess isk and a lack of reallife cash to play the game. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Astik Stfgar	Posted - 2006.03.21 12:39:00 - [33] I don't see why after 15Ç/month for each account you have, you still want to spend more and more money on items... Hell i can make 10 mils a day and i am not that uber skilled! And i'm not talking 26h/day of playing eighter. Why do yiu people always want easy ways of getting to the destination? A game is a problem to solve to get ahead of the obstacle, plain definition. Chess game, haunting game, tennis game. You always have to be good, smarter then your adversary. Don't you get the point? Don't you get that. using your RL money for advancing in a game, you're spolinig the game itself? For dynamics to work they need not to be invaded by external agents. That's what you're doing. And btw i get my satisfaction from gaining things, not from buying things... And this not to speak about the fact that you are utterly wasting money this way... but then this gets too philosophical... A blimp nearing on your radar...
Usul Faust	Posted - 2006.03.21 12:39:00 - [34] Originally by: Mome It is a game now, but what is it becoming? Certainly not a game. nope, it'll still a game tomorrow. then again, i still maintain that Second Life is a game. albeit a **** one. no skills, just luck.
Mome	Posted - 2006.03.21 12:50:00 - [35] Edited by: Mome on 21/03/2006 12:54:16 Thanks Astik...you're much more eloquent at making a point than I. Using RL money to further yourself in Eve is like manufacturing your own money to me.
Nev Clavain	Posted - 2006.03.21 13:04:00 - [36] Originally by: Miss Overlord yes well it unbalances the game. The game is for fun not a business. Hence keep ingame items buyable using ISK only. U work for it (u play i should say for fun) Just to use a familiar argument: Hey, I worked hard for my financial advantage in real life. There are plenty of ubergamers out there who have worked hard at eve, and consequently have not much in real life - not my problem. If they ain't got what it takes they fall behind. Why shouldn't i buy isk and ships? Just cos people are too lazy to get a job and play eve all day instead, then whine that other people have a 'financial advantage.' I just choose to earn my isk outside of EVE. I work just as hard as some ubergamer who spends 8 hours per day on eve. Best of all, my world doesnt fall apart in 3 years when the game is finished, cos my cash is transferrable. LOL not that I actually do buy isk, but the argument stands. All the people whining about isk buying are people who probably spend too much time in eve and not enough time earning real cash. Get used to it its called real life - where rich people use their hard-earned money to crap on the not-so-rich. No EULA will change anything - everything has its price, and there will always be people selling and people buying isk, ships, whatever is valuable in EVE. CCP could employ 100s of people to track it down and it wouldnt change the essential problem. If people like the game, some of them will pay money to get what they want. It s like: "I don't have time to setup a 0.0 mining op because I work all day, and actually interact with my family during evenings, so I'll use the proceeds of that to tryout new things in the game" Doesn't really bother me I have to say EULA or no EULA. Especially if you are allowed to do the same thing as long as CCP get their slice - I'd rather give my money to a Macroer to be honest. God if you have to robotically play computer games all day for a living they probably need the cash more than ccp. No-one is gonna take seriously an EULA written by people selling isk themselves, whatever subtle differences are there to try and justify it.
Dave Day	Posted - 2006.03.21 13:08:00 - [37] Originally by: Zeonog I believe in the future, buying/selling game items for cash will be allowed for all mmorpg's. Its just a matter of time. But why bother?? If I had enough money, I could pay every team at this year's World Cup to throw their matches in favour of England. Then I could run round in circles screaming that we won but knowing that really I just bought the result and the victory is hollow and meaningless. I just happened to have the most cash and into the bargain I ruined everyone else's enjoyment of the game. What's the point?
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.03.21 13:08:00 - [38] There's a point to be made for isk selling based on the "I'm too busy, and someone else has too much freetime, let's trade" argument. The arrogant sob attitude I work hard for my reallife money and cause I lucked out in real life people that are better at the game should bend over not only in real life but in game too is such bull. and GTC for isk is not the same as isk for cash by a long shot. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Lisa Run	Posted - 2006.03.21 13:12:00 - [39] Originally by: Gariuys Originally by: Zeonog Edited by: Zeonog on 21/03/2006 11:55:58 Main thing I see is, you can buy GTC and sell for isk, so complaining about being able to buy isk from ebay is rather amusing. Can anyone say hypocritical? This is extremely limiting cause no isk seller has a limetless need for GTCs. And it allows people with excess isk and a lack of reallife cash to play the game. True, if you look at the situation on ebay (my search lead to 13 pages), then GTC for isk auctions don't matter that much. I don't know what CCP can do. Maybe try to get the top sellers or put up fake sales on ebay and ban the people, who try to buy. This might spread some fear. ___________________________ ! Post under construction !
Nev Clavain	Posted - 2006.03.21 13:12:00 - [40] Originally by: Gariuys Originally by: Zeonog Edited by: Zeonog on 21/03/2006 11:55:58 Main thing I see is, you can buy GTC and sell for isk, so complaining about being able to buy isk from ebay is rather amusing. Can anyone say hypocritical? This is extremely limiting cause no isk seller has a limetless need for GTCs. And it allows people with excess isk and a lack of reallife cash to play the game. It also smacks of hypocrisy. If you are saying don't sell isk it upsets the game dynamic - then don't sell it yourself. However if CCP came out and said the truth that would be fine: "we are selling isk because we cannot stop it legally (because it is not illegal), we aren't prepared to throw money at tracking down and banning the main culprits, and we want a slice of the financial action as well." If they cared about the game dynamic people keep harping on about, they simply wouldnt sell isk and add to the problem.
Usul Faust	Posted - 2006.03.21 13:15:00 - [41] Originally by: Gariuys The arrogant sob attitude I work hard for my reallife money and cause I lucked out in real life people that are better at the game should bend over not only in real life but in game too is such bull. I'm pretty sure that sentance doesn't make sense. no skills, just luck.
Nev Clavain	Posted - 2006.03.21 13:17:00 - [42] Edited by: Nev Clavain on 21/03/2006 13:17:41 Originally by: Dave Day Originally by: Zeonog I believe in the future, buying/selling game items for cash will be allowed for all mmorpg's. Its just a matter of time. But why bother?? If I had enough money, I could pay every team at this year's World Cup to throw their matches in favour of England. Then I could run round in circles screaming that we won but knowing that really I just bought the result and the victory is hollow and meaningless. I just happened to have the most cash and into the bargain I ruined everyone else's enjoyment of the game. What's the point? People behave like that 'in-game' all the time: they fight battles they cant lose, setup massive blobs next to newbie areas, strangle the market for their own profit, and thats all fair play. As soon as people who have achieved something 'real' with their life come in and start upsetting the balance with 'real currency' all of a sudden this kind of behaviour is 'pointless'. The patterns of behaviour are the same, the method is different. If one is pointless so is the other, but the bottom line people like to win, and they will use the assets at their disposal to achieve this. Your analogy is somewhat limited also, as buying isk and ships doesn't necessarily equal 'win', you could lose all that money and ships easily. You must know how to use them to be effective, and that is still participating in the game - the fun part ppl might say.
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.03.21 13:18:00 - [43] Originally by: Nev Clavain Originally by: Gariuys Originally by: Zeonog Edited by: Zeonog on 21/03/2006 11:55:58 Main thing I see is, you can buy GTC and sell for isk, so complaining about being able to buy isk from ebay is rather amusing. Can anyone say hypocritical? This is extremely limiting cause no isk seller has a limetless need for GTCs. And it allows people with excess isk and a lack of reallife cash to play the game. It also smacks of hypocrisy. If you are saying don't sell isk it upsets the game dynamic - then don't sell it yourself. However if CCP came out and said the truth that would be fine: "we are selling isk because we cannot stop it legally (because it is not illegal), we aren't prepared to throw money at tracking down and banning the main culprits, and we want a slice of the financial action as well." If they cared about the game dynamic people keep harping on about, they simply wouldnt sell isk and add to the problem. But that's not true, so you want CCP to lie to you. Cause you refuse to accept that they're doing what they can. And the sales of GTCs is a really minor issue which in their mind has more benefits for the players/game then drawbacks. Which isn't the case for large scale isk sales. And you keep going on selling isk for GTCs. It's allowed cause its buying GTCs with isk. You might not notice the difference but it is there and the deciding factor. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.03.21 13:21:00 - [44] Originally by: Usul Faust Originally by: Gariuys The arrogant sob attitude I work hard for my reallife money and cause I lucked out in real life people that are better at the game should bend over not only in real life but in game too is such bull. I'm pretty sure that sentance doesn't make sense. I explain it better then. I really dislike the attitude that people that are rich work harder for their money then those that are poor. I work hard for my money ( when not forum whoring ) too. Made some unlucky choices so I really don't have the cash others have ( not that I'm poor mind you, not by a long shot ) But cause your choices turned out luckier, or whatever other reasons that allow you to make more real life cash. You deserve to be better at EVE as well. Being good at EVE should be based on actually being good at eve not on real life wallet size. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Nev Clavain	Posted - 2006.03.21 13:22:00 - [45] Originally by: Gariuys Originally by: Nev Clavain Originally by: Gariuys Originally by: Zeonog Edited by: Zeonog on 21/03/2006 11:55:58 Main thing I see is, you can buy GTC and sell for isk, so complaining about being able to buy isk from ebay is rather amusing. Can anyone say hypocritical? This is extremely limiting cause no isk seller has a limetless need for GTCs. And it allows people with excess isk and a lack of reallife cash to play the game. It also smacks of hypocrisy. If you are saying don't sell isk it upsets the game dynamic - then don't sell it yourself. However if CCP came out and said the truth that would be fine: "we are selling isk because we cannot stop it legally (because it is not illegal), we aren't prepared to throw money at tracking down and banning the main culprits, and we want a slice of the financial action as well." If they cared about the game dynamic people keep harping on about, they simply wouldnt sell isk and add to the problem. But that's not true, so you want CCP to lie to you. Cause you refuse to accept that they're doing what they can. And the sales of GTCs is a really minor issue which in their mind has more benefits for the players/game then drawbacks. Which isn't the case for large scale isk sales. And you keep going on selling isk for GTCs. It's allowed cause its buying GTCs with isk. You might not notice the difference but it is there and the deciding factor. I accept there is a difference in method, however the net market effect is the same. the transaction cash ----> isk is not allowed in EVE however if you exchange your cash, for something else equally external to the game ( a time card) then you can swap that for isk. Ultimately what occurs is cash ----> gtc -----> isk Can you see how the same course is being followed, just CCP get a slice. If there are problems with the transaction cash ---> isk effecting the game mechanic, then without any argument it is a problem that CCP themselves contributes to. In that scenario I don't respect anything they have to say about isk sales.
Nev Clavain	Posted - 2006.03.21 13:24:00 - [46] Originally by: Gariuys Originally by: Usul Faust Originally by: Gariuys The arrogant sob attitude I work hard for my reallife money and cause I lucked out in real life people that are better at the game should bend over not only in real life but in game too is such bull. I'm pretty sure that sentance doesn't make sense. I explain it better then. I really dislike the attitude that people that are rich work harder for their money then those that are poor. I work hard for my money ( when not forum whoring ) too. Made some unlucky choices so I really don't have the cash others have ( not that I'm poor mind you, not by a long shot ) But cause your choices turned out luckier, or whatever other reasons that allow you to make more real life cash. You deserve to be better at EVE as well. Being good at EVE should be based on actually being good at eve not on real life wallet size.

Zhuge Liang	Posted - 2006.03.21 13:27:00 - [47] No sticky, and stop spamming the same topic. forum rules \| [email protected]


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