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Mome
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Posted - 2006.03.21 02:34:00 -
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I logged onto EBay to try and find an original of the really cool poster I saw in the player-uploaded pics of All the ships available by race. OMG!! ISK for sale, Ships for sale, equipment for sale, even characters for sale. Is this legal? what is Eve's take? If it's legal it's obviously a HUGE resource...if not, then why is it still going on?
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Colonel O'Neill
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Posted - 2006.03.21 02:45:00 -
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It is against the EULA.
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Blind Man
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Posted - 2006.03.21 02:45:00 -
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It's not legal however CCP dosent have control of ebay stuff.
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Micia
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Posted - 2006.03.21 02:45:00 -
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Is this legal?
It's against the EULA, which could mean an account bannination if busted. 
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Santiago Cortes
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Posted - 2006.03.21 03:52:00 -
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Selling in game items for in game currency = legal
Selling in game items for out of game currency = illegal.
Accounts are subject to anything up to permanent bans if found out and I assure you our GMs and international trading websites are well acquainted.
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Andargor theWise
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Posted - 2006.03.21 04:17:00 -
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Originally by: Santiago Cortes
Selling in game items for in game currency = legal
Selling in game items for out of game currency = illegal.
Accounts are subject to anything up to permanent bans if found out and I assure you our GMs and international trading websites are well acquainted.
What about selling out-of-game items for in-game currency? (i.e. GTCs)
Andargor
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Mike Moss
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Posted - 2006.03.21 04:30:00 -
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This is a huge problem for all online games, including WoW, GW, etc. This is why there are so many macro farmers depleting asteroid belts in high sec areas. As a noob I notice many new players openly admitting they began by buying isk on eBay.
As the popularity of EVE grows, so will farming by macro operators and sweatshops. Ordinary players will be left holding the bag. A bag filled with increasingly little worthwhile.
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F'nog
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Posted - 2006.03.21 05:38:00 -
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No, it's not illegal, as no court in the world will convict you of anything. But it IS against the EULA and will get you banned. So don't do it.
Originally by: Bl4zer
But, cmon, this is the Eve forums, we don't let facts get in the way of pointless speculation.
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DirtyHarry
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Posted - 2006.03.21 05:44:00 -
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Originally by: F'nog
No, it's not illegal, as no court in the world will convict you of anything. But it IS against the EULA and will get you banned. So don't do it.
exactly what he said
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Myz Toyou
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Posted - 2006.03.21 09:05:00 -
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Edited by: Myz Toyou on 21/03/2006 09:05:26
Originally by: Santiago Cortes
Selling in game items for in game currency = legal
Selling in game items for out of game currency = illegal.
Accounts are subject to anything up to permanent bans if found out and I assure you our GMs and international trading websites are well acquainted.
So,her my 2 cents: You surely have an Ebay account, buy stuff from the ppl that offer in Ebay ships and ISK, wait for the ingame trade and you got the chinese farmers...
Seems not so difficult if CCP was willing to do that ???
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Steven Dynahir
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Posted - 2006.03.21 09:51:00 -
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Can you sell ships for ISK in Ebay? 
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Ashelth
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Posted - 2006.03.21 10:15:00 -
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Originally by: Steven Dynahir
Can you sell ships for ISK in Ebay?
That would be against the Ebay EULA :D
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Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.03.21 10:16:00 -
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what if i paid a hooker in isk?
no skills, just luck.
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.03.21 11:05:00 -
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I'll take a Raven please.
Hang on, waddaya mean it aint real?
pfft.
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Miss Overlord
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Posted - 2006.03.21 11:07:00 -
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GTCs CCP gets a cut
Ebaying etc CCP doesnt get a cut - its a pure busines decision hence all the ingame ISK farmers that are so *****y obvious and petitioned over and over and over and over are still in the game 6 months after original petitions go in (tbbh CCP have started to ignore macro miner and ISK farmer petitions u get an automated evemail sayng this issue has been passed on to someone and it automatically closes)
So i think we now have CCPs view on the amtter.
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Zeonog
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Posted - 2006.03.21 11:14:00 -
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I like making models for fun so I buy items for it because its more fun...I play eve for fun...anyone see a pattern?
I don't see what the fuss is about tbh
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Miss Overlord
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Posted - 2006.03.21 11:18:00 -
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yes well it unbalances the game. The game is for fun not a business. Hence keep ingame items buyable using ISK only. U work for it (u play i should say for fun)
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Kebabbinn
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Posted - 2006.03.21 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Overlord
GTCs CCP gets a cut
Ebaying etc CCP doesnt get a cut - its a pure busines decision hence all the ingame ISK farmers that are so *****y obvious and petitioned over and over and over and over are still in the game 6 months after original petitions go in (tbbh CCP have started to ignore macro miner and ISK farmer petitions u get an automated evemail sayng this issue has been passed on to someone and it automatically closes)
So i think we now have CCPs view on the amtter.
sed 
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.03.21 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: Zeonog
I like making models for fun so I buy items for it because its more fun...I play eve for fun...anyone see a pattern?
I don't see what the fuss is about tbh
The concept behind the game is to strive to better yourself and compete against others within the game mechanics.
Buying ISK of ebay is akin to buying a model and paying someone to build it for you. You are missing the point.
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Mome
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Posted - 2006.03.21 11:30:00 -
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The way I see it is some of us are in this game for fun...and the VAST MAJORITY are in it to make money and blow up as many of us as they can. So if they're going to go out and buy a billion ISK on ebay and buy every skill and all the equipment they need for an invinceable Armageddon just so they can run around and blow ME up, then why isnt CCP banning them? BECAUSE CCP WOULDN'T MAKE AS MUCH MONEY!!!
CCP is in this to make money off of all of us that want to play the game for fun...they couldn't care less about us. They DO care about the isk-sellers and macrominers that create hundreds of accounts...all paid for. That is the only logic that allows for macrominers and isk-sellers to be so proliferate. I challenge CCP to show me I'm wrong...Don't tell me, because you've already re-proven that "talk is cheap".
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Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.03.21 11:41:00 -
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you're loving this whole 'ships and isk on ebay' think at the moment, aren't you?
cross posting barely coherent ranting ftw.
no skills, just luck.
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Khatred
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Posted - 2006.03.21 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
Originally by: Zeonog
I like making models for fun so I buy items for it because its more fun...I play eve for fun...anyone see a pattern?
I don't see what the fuss is about tbh
The concept behind the game is to strive to better yourself and compete against others within the game mechanics.
Buying ISK of ebay is akin to buying a model and paying someone to build it for you. You are missing the point.
Stop deceiving yourself with big words.
How about those that can play 8 hours per day vs. those that can play only 1 hour per day?
How about those that can afford 5 accounts vs those that can afford only 1?
Yes, playing 8 hours per day and playing with 5 accounts it's within game mechanics but it's far from fair. But then again, how many things are fair in this world?
The biggest problem with not forbidding in game currency sales (and do I have to remind you that up to May 2004 you were allowed to sell your account for $$) is that it opens the gaming company to a lot of legal problems. If it would be allowed and you get scammed by the seller, you complain to CCP. If you buy something and loose it to an ingame glitch, you complain to CCP. If they ever decide to shut down the server they will actualy have to pay the players that invested $$ in a game and so on and so forth. The easiest way to prevent all this possible problems is to just forbid the sales.
MMORPG.com: LetÆs start off with a hot topic in the industry as of late. SOE recently announced their plan for a ôStation Exchangeö which would basically embrace the secondary market of buying and selling ingame currency and items for real world money. How do you feel about a company that over the years has been so adamantly against such actions now embracing it?
Nathan Richardsson: Everybody has their reasons for buying ôstuffö and we can certainly sympathize with SOEÆs argument that it causes considerable grief to current (and potential customers) when they are scammed. That is also the majority of cases we encounter in customer support. Not only that, these cases almost never end happily.
We certainly understand the more casual player wanting to get a head start and wanting to participate with the big boy¦s. People have different amounts of time on their hands with girlfriends, wifes, kids, work, more work and then some work, and of course the wife. In cases like that we can see the point in allowing a user to get some wind in their sails, and we believe that this is main driving force for a user to buy "stuff". ItÆs not to get the ôwin buttonö but just make life a bit more easier.
However, as with everything where real money is involved to get ahead in a game, it gets exploitable very fast. ItÆs simply not as black and white as one would want it to be.
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Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.03.21 11:50:00 -
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Stop deceiving yourself with big words.
err, what big words?
You seem to think that people who only play for an hour have a divine right to an equal amount of wealth as somebody who's worked for hours on end for it.
That is wrong.
no skills, just luck.
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Dave Day
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Posted - 2006.03.21 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Zeonog
I like making models for fun so I buy items for it because its more fun...I play eve for fun...anyone see a pattern?
I don't see what the fuss is about tbh
Models aren't games, your analogy is flawed.
Say there are a bunch of you playing Monopoly and one of you is putting Mayfair up for grabs. You offer ú2k of in game cash, the guy next to you offers a trade of 3 other properties. the guy next to him offers ú10 in real cash. the seller accepts the cash.
The buyer is happy, he was willing to part with real cash for the game item. The seller is happy. So what's the problem? Later, the guy has a hotel on Mayfair (he bought it for ú1.50 from the guy looking after the box of bits) and his mate lands on it. Damn, he doesn't have enough game cash to pay. No problem, he gives the guy back the tenner he paid for Mayfair earlier.
10 mins later another player lands on Mayfair. he's not using RL cash and doesn't have enough in game cash to pay. he's wiped out.
The fuss, my friend, is that when people buy in game items for RL cash, they **** up the game for everyone else.
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Zeonog
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Posted - 2006.03.21 11:55:00 -
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Edited by: Zeonog on 21/03/2006 11:55:58
Main thing I see is, you can buy GTC and sell for isk, so complaining about being able to buy isk from ebay is rather amusing.
Can anyone say hypocritical?
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Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.03.21 11:57:00 -
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it's CCP's game, not ours.
no skills, just luck.
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Abraxus
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Posted - 2006.03.21 12:03:00 -
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Edited by: Abraxus on 21/03/2006 12:04:36
Originally by: Usul Faust
it's CCP's game, not ours.
Its a brilliant game, I can't understand the stance on GTC's and at the same time the stance on Ebay
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Estoramus
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Posted - 2006.03.21 12:03:00 -
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so is it against the rules to buy the stuff or sell the stuff?
who gets banned?
i guess both would need to get banned otherwise whats the point?
the person that sells the account or items doesn't want it anyway but the person that is buying is the one that would really suffer.
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Miss Overlord
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Posted - 2006.03.21 12:05:00 -
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ok ill play devils advocate here - we allow players to purchase ingames items and ISK using $$$. CCP allow the market now by allowing the ISK farmers via the macro miners to generate the ISK that they sell. They dont get this because those same bots pay accounts each month so that would be a revenue stream loss to ban it
They get the cut with GTCs.
So we allow items to be sold for $$$. They will get blown up quickly anyway unless as current NPC corpers arent touchable they cant be contract bounty hunted either.
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Mome
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Posted - 2006.03.21 12:16:00 -
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It is a game now, but what is it becoming? Certainly not a game.
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