range is 53km optimal and 62.6km falloff (scorch)


can u please explain why this is a bad fit?

Ive used it in several level 4 missions and its turned out just fine.

The optimal range as such isn't so bad, but the ship is... below par as it lacks any sort of serious dps. On top of that it's mission tracking computers which, when switched to tracking scripts, massively help applied dps. It's also low on tank.


You're just wasting too many slots on cap issues, slots that help your dps, your tracking and your tank. And the result of all that is that you take a whole lot longer to complete a mission resulting in less income. I works, sure, but that doesn't mean it couldn't be better. You're wasting a lot of time (and subsequently money) you could have spent better on stuff you enjoy doing.

A decently fit Abaddon would easily do 200+ dps more with scorch (using non faction heat sinks), while having more overall range and, if need be, more tracking as well... while tanking more. Cap stable fits suck for efficiency, cap stable laser ships even more so.

I would really appreciate a decent t2 navy apoc fit

Check this thread for fits, explanations and graphs. A (N)apoc fit will effectively be a mirror or that Abaddon fit (of course changed a bit to suit the ship).

Yes you lose some isk by having to use cap boosters but it's not like you need a ton of them, even if you'd use 10 per mission (which you won't) it costs a total of 50k, EASILY made up for by the vastly increased performance. Not fitting CCC rigs means you can fit nano pumps and THAT means you have more tank resulting in fitting more heat sinks. Not wasting mid slots on cap rechargers means you can fit tracking comps which means you can use shorter range crystals at longer range and you when you have to shoot orbiting targets you track better, your applied dps will be SO much better.

If you apply less dps you waste more time meaning you have to tank more and make less money. On top of that Cap stable fits require pilots to have good cap related skills otherwise they don't work, a cap boosted fit still works fine and you just burn a few more cap boosters so it's actually BETTER for low SP pilots.

Cap boosted fit >>> recharge stable fit :)


The only reason to use recharge fits is if you have a dodgy internet connection or you have to go AFK often and unannounced, otherwise it's just silly tbh.

For PVE purposes I would never train Amarr BS.
For Drones, Dominix outperform the Armageddon.
Apoc and Abad are only good against Sansha and Blood so are kinda limited.

I suggest you go for any other race.

Considering the paladin is by FAR the most efficient marauder.. your advice fails.

Considering the paladin is by FAR the most efficient marauder.. your advice fails.

As a relatively younger toon I am just starting for my first long train. I have been looking at NaPoc as my first battleship and was wondering if it was the best amarr battleship for pve for a lower sp player. If so, I would love to see a good t2 fit. Additionally, I have heard a lot about the tengu. What are the pros and cons of choosing between something like a tengu or an amarr battleship (also, does the legion suck as bad as others say?)? Finally, what about insurance on the ships?

Try enjoying your most efficient marauder against Angel, Gurristas or even Serpentis.
I bet a T2 Dominix/Raven/Maelstrom will do much better.

Try enjoying your most efficient marauder against Angel, Gurristas or even Serpentis.
I bet a T2 Dominix/Raven/Maelstrom will do much better.

How does this look for a NaPoc fit?
8x mega Pulse 2 with scorch
2x tracking computer 2 optimal range
Cap Recharger 2
100mn afterburner 2
4x heat sink 2
Large armor repair 2
2x armor em hardener 2
Armor thermic hardener 2

Large discharge elutriation 2
Large algid energy administration 2
Large ancillary current router 2

The reason the paladin is so damn good is all due to scorch and the bastion module. It allows you to fit a short range high dps weapon system and do high dps at extreme ranges while being able to instantly switch out to face melting dps at close range. The bastion module just emphasizes its range and makes even conflag into a medium range weapon because of how unbalanced the range bonus is on the bastion (same amount of optimal and falloff bonus as opposed to every single other module ever that gives half of the falloff in optimal.)

Regardless the projection and high dps of scorch puts the paladin at least on par with the other marauders with regards to applied dps on everything except blood/sansha where it beats everything else into the ground.

It's a good missionboat and amarr is a good race to train into for pvp.

Very often in L4 missions you need to use micro jump drive.

Scorch is mostly EM which sucks balls against Serp and Guristas. That's the reason Beam Pallies make sense, because they can use shorter range crystals which have a higher thermal damage component but it still sucks.





What is it with people talking so much bullshit? MJD is easily the most over rated, over used, nonsense module. The amount if times it's actually useful is VERY limited.

on MARAUDERS which are based on short range weapons (or in case of the vargur falloff) yes, they're great, and if you see a fit like that of mine it'll have MJD. A 425 Kronos does not need MJD.

But 9 times out of 10 People fit them because they're "scared" of getting shorter range where they have to tank and thus they choose.... CHOOSE to run away 100km where they're forced to use low dps ammo or have massive flight time on their missiles meaning they lose a lot of time switching targets, resulting in terrible performance.