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Tanthos Lumen et Umbra Heimatar Alliance Treaty Organization 73	Posted - 2014.01.13 19:51:00 - [1] - Quote Is anyone else put off from fleet pvp by Teamspeak? Its an immersion killer, and I hate it. But all corps seem to require it.
Jill Chastot Oath of the Forsaken Ragnarok. 161	Posted - 2014.01.13 19:54:00 - [2] - Quote Good communication is an advantage in fights, i like that https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=298596&find=unreadOATHS wants you. Come to the WH
Leigh Akiga Laissez-faire Economics 488	Posted - 2014.01.13 19:58:00 - [3] - Quote Tanthos wrote: Is anyone else put off from fleet pvp by Teamspeak? Its an immersion killer, and I hate it. But all corps seem to require it. Imagine you are a fleet commander and you warp your fleet from a station undock to a titan pos so you can bridge your fleet to your destination. Suddenly a hictor decloaks 20km off your titan pos and lights a cyno. An Archon comes through and lights another cyno. 12 Machariels come through the second cyno and begin to bump your titan pilot out of the pos, a hostile Dominix fleet comes through last and begins to kill your fleet which is now bubbled on the edge of a pos they cant get into because the titan pilot had to change the pos password to avoid being bumped out. You begin typing: guys guys guys- hang on while I type out these instructions... Meanwhile your fleet is dead and you are still furiously typing and backspacing changing instructions with the shifting battlefield. (This actually happened- and no, no one is ever gonna command a fleet with text only thats idiotic)
Silvetica Dian Manson Family Advent of Fate 572	Posted - 2014.01.13 20:00:00 - [4] - Quote Tanthos wrote: Is anyone else put off from fleet pvp by Teamspeak? Its an immersion killer, and I hate it. But all corps seem to require it. In the days of flying spaceships between solar systems voice to voice communication is an immersion killer? why not join a RP corp and pretend to be space people together. surely fleet communication via text is a bigger immersion breaker considering the tech we have access to? here is a list of all the fiat currencies that didn't end up at zero value.....and here is a list of the places where a currency pegged to a real commodity has successfully co-existed with compound interest....-á Here is a physics professor explaining why sustainable growth isn't a thing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY
Logical 101 Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 302	Posted - 2014.01.13 20:03:00 - [5] - Quote Tanthos wrote: Is anyone else put off from fleet pvp by Teamspeak? Its an immersion killer, and I hate it. But all corps seem to require it. Immersion killer? Look man, if you're playing this game for ArrPees, that's one thing, but all effective PvP and PvE forces use voice. Furthermore, why on earth would you be averse to making real friends with people? That's what this game has always been about for me. The politics, daily doctrines and operations of all good EVE corporation require solid communications. End of story.
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 9158	Posted - 2014.01.13 20:05:00 - [6] - Quote Use Eve voice for a month. Don't worry, teamspeak will be there for you when you come crawling back. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Alduin666 Shikkoken Unholy Knights of Cthulhu Test Alliance Please Ignore 367	Posted - 2014.01.13 20:12:00 - [7] - Quote Tanthos wrote: Is anyone else put off from fleet pvp by Teamspeak? Its an immersion killer, and I hate it. But all corps seem to require it. You must be new here. Honor is a fools prize. Glory is of no use to the dead. Be a man! Post with your main! ~Vas'Avi Community Manager
Batelle Komm susser Tod 1216	Posted - 2014.01.13 20:16:00 - [8] - Quote Tanthos wrote: Is anyone else put off from fleet pvp by Teamspeak? Its an immersion killer, and I hate it. But all corps seem to require it. lol whut. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!" Never forget.
Thead Enco Killing is Business Get Off My Lawn 46	Posted - 2014.01.13 20:17:00 - [9] - Quote Tanthos wrote: Is anyone else put off from fleet pvp by Teamspeak? Its an immersion killer, and I hate it. But all corps seem to require it. Who "yelled" at you on comms for auto-piloting your jump freighter thru the amarr pipe? *"Any man who must say 'I am the king' is no true king."*
Logical 101 Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 302	Posted - 2014.01.13 20:20:00 - [10] - Quote Thead Enco wrote: Who "yelled" at you on comms for auto-piloting your jump freighter thru the amarr pipe?
Ptraci 3 R Corporation Boarderline Cartel 1683	Posted - 2014.01.13 20:24:00 - [11] - Quote Tanthos wrote: Is anyone else put off from fleet pvp by Teamspeak? Its an immersion killer, and I hate it. But all corps seem to require it. Because typing in a chat window is 100% immersive.
Skywalker MAFIA Pirate Coalition 69	Posted - 2014.01.13 20:37:00 - [12] - Quote Before teamspeak was common, people actually typed ingame, and it's still doable, but ofc not as good. I guess it depends abit on how well oiled the gang is and if they know what to do. I saw some alliance recruiting a while ago, they where non-teamspeak, can't recall the name.
Mr. Orange Band of Freelancers 438	Posted - 2014.01.13 20:38:00 - [13] - Quote OP is afraid to speak with other people and fears that they may hear his voice. aka Phone Phobia.
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 9159	Posted - 2014.01.13 20:45:00 - [14] - Quote Im trying to infiltrate an alliance, and im roleplaying a 42 year old war veteran, and im afraid if they get me on teamspeak, my voice will crack and they'll learn I am 12. So far, ive been able to fool them with my 'Supr xlent tots amaze txt spek' and my complete inability to use the correct version of you're, your, they're, their and there..but I think my cover is wearing thin... I may need to resort to desperate measures.... *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Icarus Able Revenant Tactical 317	Posted - 2014.01.13 20:49:00 - [15] - Quote The problem here isnt corps. Its you. Your idea that it kills immersion is ridiculous. Are you saying in spaceships we dont have a bloody radio system?
Batelle Komm susser Tod 1216	Posted - 2014.01.13 20:52:00 - [16] - Quote Skywalker wrote: Before teamspeak was common, people actually typed ingame, and it's still doable, but ofc not as good. I guess it depends abit on how well oiled the gang is and if they know what to do. I saw some alliance recruiting a while ago, they where non-teamspeak, can't recall the name. "Before teamspeak was common" refers to a period of time before TQ went live for the first time. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!" Never forget.
Noxisia Arkana Deadspace Knights 48	Posted - 2014.01.13 21:03:00 - [17] - Quote Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Im trying to infiltrate an alliance, and im roleplaying a 42 year old war veteran, and im afraid if they get me on teamspeak, my voice will crack and they'll learn I am 12. So far, ive been able to fool them with my 'Supr xlent tots amaze txt spek' and my complete inability to use the correct version of you're, your, they're, their and there..but I think my cover is wearing thin... I may need to resort to desperate measures.... I laughed, I cried, I urinated a little.
Rin Valador Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 67	Posted - 2014.01.13 21:15:00 - [18] - Quote You can still have immersion and teamspeak. This comes from my own personal experience. "There will be neither compassion nor mercy; Nor peace, nor solace For those who bear witness to these Signs And still do not believe." - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 25:10
E-2C Hawkeye State War Academy Caldari State 456	Posted - 2014.01.13 21:18:00 - [19] - Quote Tanthos wrote: Is anyone else put off from fleet pvp by Teamspeak? Its an immersion killer, and I hate it. But all corps seem to require it. Just like real naval fleets communicate in real time. Why would you not have the same for space craft. if anything it should make you feel more immersed.
Summer Isle Autumn Industrial Enterprises 13	Posted - 2014.01.13 21:22:00 - [20] - Quote Tanthos wrote: Is anyone else put off from fleet pvp by Teamspeak? Its an immersion killer, and I hate it. But all corps seem to require it. I hate Teamspeak, too. Voice chats in general. Makes it really hard to continue pretending I'm actually a girl to dupe desperate kids out of their ISK and other goodies. A little flirtatious text and a ~<3 or =^_^= in a text chat are much easier to work with. At least EvE Voice makes it easier, and it isn't difficult to convince someone who wants to voice chat that you don't want to give out your TS account to a random person.
Dyvim Slorm Coven of the Morrigan 227	Posted - 2014.01.13 21:58:00 - [21] - Quote Batelle wrote: "Before teamspeak was common" refers to a period of time before TQ went live for the first time. It wasn't common in 2003 early game, but by 2004 it had become popular (and essential) for the Alliances and larger corps
Eurydia Vespasian Storm Hunters 4901	Posted - 2014.01.13 22:25:00 - [22] - Quote Summer Isle wrote: Tanthos wrote: Is anyone else put off from fleet pvp by Teamspeak? Its an immersion killer, and I hate it. But all corps seem to require it. I hate Teamspeak, too. Voice chats in general. Makes it really hard to continue pretending I'm actually a girl to dupe desperate kids out of their ISK and other goodies. A little flirtatious text and a ~<3 or =^_^= in a text chat are much easier to work with. At least EvE Voice makes it easier, and it isn't difficult to convince someone who wants to voice chat that you don't want to give out your TS account to a random person. take it from me, once they find out you are a real girl things can get awkward with the weird silences, then the tentative flirts, the offers of phallus, marriage proposals and e-stalking. it's almost not even worth the isk donations almost. trust me, you fakers have it easier than you know.
Carmen Electra The Scope Gallente Federation 207	Posted - 2014.01.13 22:55:00 - [23] - Quote Yeah, voice comms does a number on the RP factor. Admittedly, many of us aren't so big into that to begin with. I've discovered that the people who refuse to jump on voice have a higher tendency towards troll behavior and can't be trusted as much. I think voice comms are a very good thing. EVE players have a way of forgetting that they're interacting with real people, and voice comms reminds us of that.
Carmen Electra The Scope Gallente Federation 207	Posted - 2014.01.13 22:59:00 - [24] - Quote Eurydia Vespasian wrote: Summer Isle wrote: Tanthos wrote: Is anyone else put off from fleet pvp by Teamspeak? Its an immersion killer, and I hate it. But all corps seem to require it. I hate Teamspeak, too. Voice chats in general. Makes it really hard to continue pretending I'm actually a girl to dupe desperate kids out of their ISK and other goodies. A little flirtatious text and a ~<3 or =^_^= in a text chat are much easier to work with. At least EvE Voice makes it easier, and it isn't difficult to convince someone who wants to voice chat that you don't want to give out your TS account to a random person. take it from me, once they find out you are a real girl things can get awkward with the weird silences, then the tentative flirts, the offers of phallus, marriage proposals and e-stalking. it's almost not even worth the isk donations almost. trust me, you fakers have it easier than you know. I've often wished that more women played EVE. Then I see how they are treated on comms, and the male:female ratio suddenly makes sense.
Muestereate Minions LLC 121	Posted - 2014.01.13 23:22:00 - [25] - Quote Talkin... who needs it.
SmilingVagrant GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2254	Posted - 2014.01.13 23:34:00 - [26] - Quote Tanthos wrote: Is anyone else put off from fleet pvp by Teamspeak? Its an immersion killer, and I hate it. But all corps seem to require it. This is a pretty valid point, after all we all remember when neil aldrin jumped off of the moon lander, opened up IRC on his laptop and typed "one small step for man something something who cares" and i hear that the iraq war is being co-ordinated entirely thru txt messages makes u think
Teinyhr A Club for Reputable Gentlemen 357	Posted - 2014.01.13 23:39:00 - [27] - Quote Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Use Eve voice for a month. Don't worry, teamspeak will be there for you when you come crawling back. Having used Eve Voice extensively for small gangs (mainly in FW) I do not understand the hate. Sure it doesn't cut the mustard for fcukhueg alliances that need 24/7 communication even when the nodes crash, but it really isn't as bad as people make it out to be for relatively small corporations/fleets. Relatively small here meaning around at least 50 people. I remember the in-game voice chat working adequately even though the reinforced(!) node was creaking under a fairly unusual 600 or so people in the system, of which around 120 of was in our fleet (This happened in 2009, Kamela, a lowsec system if you're wondering why 600 people was unusually high number).
Little Dragon Khamez Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition 915	Posted - 2014.01.13 23:42:00 - [28] - Quote Summer Isle wrote: Tanthos wrote: Is anyone else put off from fleet pvp by Teamspeak? Its an immersion killer, and I hate it. But all corps seem to require it. I hate Teamspeak, too. Voice chats in general. Makes it really hard to continue pretending I'm actually a girl to dupe desperate kids out of their ISK and other goodies. A little flirtatious text and a ~<3 or =^_^= in a text chat are much easier to work with. At least EvE Voice makes it easier, and it isn't difficult to convince someone who wants to voice chat that you don't want to give out your TS account to a random person. Eve voice comes with very convincing voice fonts that will greatly assist you with your scamming. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Little Dragon Khamez Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition 915	Posted - 2014.01.13 23:52:00 - [29] - Quote Carmen Electra wrote: Yeah, voice comms does a number on the RP factor. Admittedly, many of us aren't so big into that to begin with. I've discovered that the people who refuse to jump on voice have a higher tendency towards troll behavior and can't be trusted as much. I think voice comms are a very good thing. EVE players have a way of forgetting that they're interacting with real people, and voice comms reminds us of that. I like voice chat too, whether that's ts or eve voice. I don't see it as immersion breaking either as I am speaking to people that I fly with who identify themselves on ts with the same name as their eve character. I fly with an international crowd, lots of different accents, makes for good characterisations. It feels like new eden to me. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Carmen Electra The Scope Gallente Federation 207	Posted - 2014.01.13 23:53:00 - [30] - Quote Little Dragon Khamez wrote: Carmen Electra wrote: Yeah, voice comms does a number on the RP factor. Admittedly, many of us aren't so big into that to begin with. I've discovered that the people who refuse to jump on voice have a higher tendency towards troll behavior and can't be trusted as much. I think voice comms are a very good thing. EVE players have a way of forgetting that they're interacting with real people, and voice comms reminds us of that. I like voice chat too, whether that's ts or eve voice. I don't see it as immersion breaking either as I am speaking to people that I fly with who identify themselves on ts with the same name as their eve character. I fly with an international crowd, lots of different accents, makes for good characterisations. It feels like new eden to me. Yeah, I go by "Carmen" on voice. Doesn't bother me.

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