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Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
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Posted - 2014.01.15 04:32:00 -
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If you could wardec anyone in EVE even if they are in a NPC corp, how much would you be willing to pay per week? Corpmates not affected, week-long duel timer.
I would say 2 bil.
"I do want to point out one "abuse" thing I did see however. *snipped*
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Erufen Rito
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
62
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Posted - 2014.01.15 04:34:00 -
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It'd be cheaper to gank. |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
628
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Posted - 2014.01.15 05:00:00 -
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Erufen Rito wrote:It'd be cheaper to gank.
Does 2 to 70 mil if ganking solo, 250 to 500 mil if ganking pimped mission runners and 500 to 700 mil if ganking freighters sound about right?
I'll take your answer as max ~700 mil.
"I do want to point out one "abuse" thing I did see however. *snipped*
Please do not post details of possible exploits on the forums. - CCP Eterne"
... Because of Falcon. |
Erufen Rito
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
63
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Posted - 2014.01.15 05:13:00 -
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Thor Kerrigan wrote:Erufen Rito wrote:It'd be cheaper to gank. Does 2 to 70 mil if ganking solo, 250 to 500 mil if ganking pimped mission runners and 500 to 700 mil if ganking freighters sound about right? I'll take your answer as max ~700 mil.
Or take my answer as "it's cheaper to gank" Since you know, that is my answer. |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
626
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Posted - 2014.01.15 05:44:00 -
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Thor Kerrigan wrote:If you could wardec anyone in EVE even if they are in a NPC corp, how much would you be willing to pay per week? Corpmates not affected, week-long duel timer.
I would say 2 bil.
Players will just create more alts to evade this.
Remove insurance. |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
629
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Posted - 2014.01.15 05:54:00 -
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Erufen Rito wrote:
Or take my answer as "it's cheaper to gank" Since you know, that is my answer.
Mara Pahrdi wrote:
Players will just create more alts to evade this.
Both your answers would be wrong if the cost was be 0.01 ISK.
I suggest actually answering the question if you bother typing a reply.
"I do want to point out one "abuse" thing I did see however. *snipped*
Please do not post details of possible exploits on the forums. - CCP Eterne"
... Because of Falcon. |
Erufen Rito
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
63
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Posted - 2014.01.15 06:08:00 -
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Maybe ask a question worth answering.
This is as nice as I get. |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
626
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Posted - 2014.01.15 06:15:00 -
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Thor Kerrigan wrote:Erufen Rito wrote:
Or take my answer as "it's cheaper to gank" Since you know, that is my answer.
Mara Pahrdi wrote:
Players will just create more alts to evade this.
Both your answers would be wrong if the cost was be 0.01 ISK. I suggest actually answering the question if you bother typing a reply.
Ok. I'd pay 0 isk.
Say you wardec one of my freighter toons (most of them would be in npc corps), I'd find ways to evade you by just transferring the cargo to another toon and sit in station for a week. I'd know how to do it so you cannot track it. Or contract my stuff to Red Frog, switch into a cheap clone and ship and fly around leisurely doing whatever seems the thing of the moment. Why bother losing stuff.
So if you wardec a toon in a npc corp, the player will just switch to another unaffected toon and evade your wardec.
You wasted the 2b you proposed in you op and he laughs at you.
Remove insurance. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
1088
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Posted - 2014.01.15 06:27:00 -
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Nothing, because it wouldn't be a war dec.
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Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
1168
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Posted - 2014.01.15 06:30:00 -
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Wars are between corporations. Constantly targeting a specific individual is griefing and I suspect would come down on the wrong side of a GM ruling. |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
629
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Posted - 2014.01.15 06:41:00 -
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Mara Pahrdi wrote:
Ok. I'd pay 0 isk.
Say you wardec one of my freighter toons (most of them would be in npc corps), I'd find ways to evade you by just transferring the cargo to another toon and sit in station for a week. I'd know how to do it so you cannot track it. Or contract my stuff to Red Frog, switch into a cheap clone and ship and fly around leisurely doing whatever seems the thing of the moment. Why bother losing stuff.
So if you wardec a toon in a npc corp, the player will just switch to another unaffected toon and evade your wardec.
Not everyone can just summon an exact duplicate of their wardecced character. Naturally, the cheaper it would be, the more careless you could get with that mechanic if it existed.
Mara Pahrdi wrote:
You wasted the 2b you proposed in you op and he laughs at you.
2 bil would be the absolute max I personally would pay, not what I think the cost should be (assuming I was extremely confident 1 week was enough to catch said player and inflict more than 2 bil of damage).
"I do want to point out one "abuse" thing I did see however. *snipped*
Please do not post details of possible exploits on the forums. - CCP Eterne"
... Because of Falcon. |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
629
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Posted - 2014.01.15 06:45:00 -
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Sentient Blade wrote:Wars are between corporations. Constantly targeting a specific individual is griefing and I suspect would come down on the wrong side of a GM ruling.
But I can constantly suicide gank a target at my expense... what would be the difference besides actually giving the player a heads up?
"I do want to point out one "abuse" thing I did see however. *snipped*
Please do not post details of possible exploits on the forums. - CCP Eterne"
... Because of Falcon. |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
629
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Posted - 2014.01.15 06:49:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Nothing, because it wouldn't be a war dec.
You're right; I would only care about the ISK leaving my wallet, not what it's called.
"I do want to point out one "abuse" thing I did see however. *snipped*
Please do not post details of possible exploits on the forums. - CCP Eterne"
... Because of Falcon. |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
629
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Posted - 2014.01.15 06:59:00 -
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Erufen Rito wrote:Maybe ask a question worth answering.
I did and you answered.
"I do want to point out one "abuse" thing I did see however. *snipped*
Please do not post details of possible exploits on the forums. - CCP Eterne"
... Because of Falcon. |
Omar Alharazaad
ZomCom
161
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Posted - 2014.01.15 07:02:00 -
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While it's a neat idea to have a "Vendetta" style mechanic implemented, and something I would like to see, I don't think it would be without it's downside. Instituting such a thing would remove the safe haven aspect of npc corps and as such could drive away portions of the playerbase who rely on them.
Pricing might have an impact of how widespread the usage of such a mechanic is employed, but that's also a sticky subject... make it too high and the spacerich will be able to target the plebs that annoy them with impunity, make it too low and the cost becomes meaningless. Perhaps adding in the qualifier that you need to have a pre-existing killright on an individual before you can use this to extend it might help balance things...
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Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
1168
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Posted - 2014.01.15 07:19:00 -
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Thor Kerrigan wrote:But I can constantly suicide gank a target at my expense... what would be the difference besides actually giving the player a heads up?
I believe there's many references on these forums to how GMs state that if a person takes action to evade, moving to an NPC corp, moving to a different part of space, then (eventually) if you're constantly hunting them, it will be considered harassment.
I believe it was in reference to miner bumping / ganking. |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
626
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Posted - 2014.01.15 07:19:00 -
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Thor Kerrigan wrote:Mara Pahrdi wrote:
Ok. I'd pay 0 isk.
Say you wardec one of my freighter toons (most of them would be in npc corps), I'd find ways to evade you by just transferring the cargo to another toon and sit in station for a week. I'd know how to do it so you cannot track it. Or contract my stuff to Red Frog, switch into a cheap clone and ship and fly around leisurely doing whatever seems the thing of the moment. Why bother losing stuff.
So if you wardec a toon in a npc corp, the player will just switch to another unaffected toon and evade your wardec.
Not everyone can just summon an exact duplicate of their wardecced character.
Hence my first comment. Such a mechanic would only further the creation of more alts in order to enable players to easier evade this kind of wardecs.
Not that CCP would complain about it. 
Remove insurance. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
9217
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Posted - 2014.01.15 07:30:00 -
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If you wardec a player, chances are they will just blueball you because they see it coming.
If you simply gank a player...they NEVER see it coming  .
Do you know how many catalysts 2 bil would buy....
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
10867
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Posted - 2014.01.15 07:57:00 -
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Anti-grief feature is that the wardec cost will be paid to the victim... wonder how many will use the feature then...
/c
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Julius Rigel
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Posted - 2014.01.15 08:21:00 -
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I wouldn't pay for that. It makes no sense, undermines the entire mechanism of corporations, and like current systems already in the game would be both a) very easy to evade, by simply staying docked or playing a different character, and b) not particularly useful, since if you only want to shoot at one particular target, you just do it, GCC be damned.
On the other hand, if you could wardec so-called "NPC" corps, that would be something worth paying a large sum of money for. In fact, this would very much improve and strengthen "corporations" as a mechanism, and could possibly go one step in the direction of solving the "too many chieftains" problem that exists in the game today.
But... you know... FAID is that way. ->
Do YOU like to undock? |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction
The Pursuit of Happiness
1075
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Posted - 2014.01.15 09:31:00 -
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Erufen Rito wrote:Thor Kerrigan wrote:Erufen Rito wrote:It'd be cheaper to gank. Does 2 to 70 mil if ganking solo, 250 to 500 mil if ganking pimped mission runners and 500 to 700 mil if ganking freighters sound about right? I'll take your answer as max ~700 mil. Or take my answer as "it's cheaper to gank" Since you know, that is my answer.
And that is a problem in eve. Is much cheaper to gank than to wage war. Wardec costs must be halved.. at LEAST...
"If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Artemis Ellery Sazas
Shock and Awe Inc.
19
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Posted - 2014.01.15 11:15:00 -
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Send me the 2 bil and I'll see what I can do  |
Iudicium Vastus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
227
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Posted - 2014.01.15 11:20:00 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:While it's a neat idea to have a "Vendetta" style mechanic implemented, and something I would like to see, I don't think it would be without it's downside. Instituting such a thing would remove the safe haven aspect of npc corps and as such could drive away portions of the playerbase who rely on them.
Pricing might have an impact of how widespread the usage of such a mechanic is employed, but that's also a sticky subject... make it too high and the spacerich will be able to target the plebs that annoy them with impunity, make it too low and the cost becomes meaningless. Perhaps adding in the qualifier that you need to have a pre-existing killright on an individual before you can use this to extend it might help balance things...
Yeah, only thing I could imagine being viable is something based off an already held killright. Paying to turn the whole killright (30days) into a private limited engagement for a week or less.
Nerf stabs/cloaks in FW? No, just..
-Fit more points
-Fit faction points
-Bring a friend or two with points (an alt is fine too) |
Captain Ravanor Eistiras
Planet Crackers Inc
2
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Posted - 2014.01.15 11:21:00 -
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how much would i pay?
how much would i want my enemies to get butthurt?
how commited would i want the mercs to be?
how well funded would i want them to be without dipping into there own funds and so they make a proft?
theres many points to this i'd consider in the end i would pay around 2 billion isk and i'd smile as my enemies weep |
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
1057
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Posted - 2014.01.15 11:47:00 -
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Chribba wrote:Anti-grief feature is that the wardec cost will be paid to the victim... wonder how many will use the feature then...
/c
Sounds like the old bounty system.
I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
8423
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Posted - 2014.01.15 11:49:00 -
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Chribba wrote:Anti-grief feature is that the wardec cost will be paid to the victim... wonder how many will use the feature then...
/c
I'm sure there's no way this would ever be abused.
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stationmonkey
Synthetic Arbitration
Shadow of the Hegemon
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Posted - 2014.01.15 12:07:00 -
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Awww did Spaceship Barbie touch you in a bad place?
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Ramona McCandless
Epic Boo Bees
2298
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Posted - 2014.01.15 12:21:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:
And that is a problem in eve. Is much cheaper to gank than to wage war. Wardec costs must be halved.. at LEAST...
If 50m is too much for you, then you cannot afford to wage a war.
If you are Deccing someone large enough to cost more, then you DEFINATELY cant afford a war with them.
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Thebriwan
LUX Uls Xystus
170
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Posted - 2014.01.15 12:40:00 -
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Nothing.
Just because it should not possible.
If one does not want to fight one shouldn't be forced to. |
Ramona McCandless
Epic Boo Bees
2299
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Posted - 2014.01.15 12:43:00 -
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Thebriwan wrote:
If one does not want to fight one shouldn't be forced to.
Oh dear.
*places a rose on this spot*
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