EVE Search - Charisma effects Station Services..?

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Black Jade	Posted - 2003.09.11 10:29:00 - [1] I would like to know if Charisma effects Station Services? I've been told a high Charisma will reduce what a Refinery claims in Minerals itself, unlikely but it never hurts to ask
Black Jade	Posted - 2003.09.11 10:29:00 - [2] I would like to know if Charisma effects Station Services? I've been told a high Charisma will reduce what a Refinery claims in Minerals itself, unlikely but it never hurts to ask
Askari	Posted - 2003.09.11 11:20:00 - [3] I have also heard rumours that the Trade skill reduces the % stations take as well. No idea how true it is though. ---------------- ~= Askari =~ Urza's Factory http://www.mikeward.uk.com/urzas
Askari Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2003.09.11 11:20:00 - [4] I have also heard rumours that the Trade skill reduces the % stations take as well. No idea how true it is though. ========= ~= Askari =~ =========
Storme	Posted - 2003.09.11 11:57:00 - [5] As far as I am aware, neither of these things affect station services. For station refining, the refinery skill affects both wastage and station 'cut' I ran some tests some time ago for this between ref skill 2 and 4. If there is an interest I should be able to find them and publish them... "I like these calm little moments before the Storm..." - Gary Oldman, Leon
Storme Minmatar S.I.N. Corporation	Posted - 2003.09.11 11:57:00 - [6] As far as I am aware, neither of these things affect station services. For station refining, the refinery skill affects both wastage and station 'cut' I ran some tests some time ago for this between ref skill 2 and 4. If there is an interest I should be able to find them and publish them... "I like these calm little moments before the Storm..." - Gary Oldman, Leon
Bashier Tarr	Posted - 2003.09.11 13:20:00 - [7] I ran a few tests with a corpmate and here's what we came up with: One refine of Veldspar (333 Veldspar) has 1000 units of "refinable material" When a person with no refining or refining efficiency skill tries to refine Veld, here's what happens: 750 Veldspar go to the player + 250 Veldspar don't go to the player = 1000 units total Of the 250 units that don't go to the player, 6 go to the station and 244 are wasted. Now, a player with 5 refining and 5 refining efficiency: 990 Veldspar go to the player (750 * 1,32) + 10 units don't go to the player = 1000 units total Of the 10 units that don't go to the player, 0 are kept by the station and 10 are wasted. Conclusion: All 3 figures are dependant on refining skill, share taken by the station + waste is simply split from the remaining materials after the player has taken his own share of the refine. So no, charisma has no effect. However, this might change in the future. Gradient is hiring! Check our CoC here.
Bashier Tarr Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2003.09.11 13:20:00 - [8] I ran a few tests with a corpmate and here's what we came up with: One refine of Veldspar (333 Veldspar) has 1000 units of "refinable material" When a person with no refining or refining efficiency skill tries to refine Veld, here's what happens: 750 Veldspar go to the player + 250 Veldspar don't go to the player = 1000 units total Of the 250 units that don't go to the player, 6 go to the station and 244 are wasted. Now, a player with 5 refining and 5 refining efficiency: 990 Veldspar go to the player (750 * 1,32) + 10 units don't go to the player = 1000 units total Of the 10 units that don't go to the player, 0 are kept by the station and 10 are wasted. Conclusion: All 3 figures are dependant on refining skill, share taken by the station + waste is simply split from the remaining materials after the player has taken his own share of the refine. So no, charisma has no effect. However, this might change in the future. Gradient is hiring! Check our CoC here.
Askari	Posted - 2003.09.11 14:53:00 - [9] Edited by: Askari on 11/09/2003 14:54:39 the reason it says 0 to the station, is that all stations i have been to take a 0.5% cut of the proceeds. 1/2 percent of 10 is 0.5, EvE always rounds down, so zero. The refinery skills dont reduce station take at all, thus back to the original question... is there aything that does reduce it? ---------------- ~= Askari =~ Urza's Factory http://www.mikeward.uk.com/urzas
Askari Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2003.09.11 14:53:00 - [10] Edited by: Askari on 11/09/2003 14:54:39 the reason it says 0 to the station, is that all stations i have been to take a 0.5% cut of the proceeds. 1/2 percent of 10 is 0.5, EvE always rounds down, so zero. The refinery skills dont reduce station take at all, thus back to the original question... is there aything that does reduce it? ========= ~= Askari =~ =========
Bashier Tarr	Posted - 2003.09.11 16:14:00 - [11] Well, they do reduce station take - indirectly As to your question, I don't know, the trade skills are hardly implemented, and I haven't looked at them.... Gradient is hiring! Check our CoC here.
Bashier Tarr Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2003.09.11 16:14:00 - [12] Well, they do reduce station take - indirectly As to your question, I don't know, the trade skills are hardly implemented, and I haven't looked at them.... Gradient is hiring! Check our CoC here.
Ivid	Posted - 2003.09.11 19:10:00 - [13] I've heard that training Charisma up to 12 or more will reduce the station take to nearly zero. I haven't tried it.
Ivid Doomheim	Posted - 2003.09.11 19:10:00 - [14] I've heard that training Charisma up to 12 or more will reduce the station take to nearly zero. I haven't tried it.
Torgrim	Posted - 2003.09.11 19:48:00 - [15] Well the trade skill seems too work. If you sell minerals and compare Journel and the transaction in your wallet you see some changes. I hope this is the trade skill not somekind station fee becuse it can be over 30k profit sometimes depends how mutch you selling. "I have seen things that you only could dream about, i have been there"
Torgrim Gallente Royal Institute Of Technology	Posted - 2003.09.11 19:48:00 - [16] Well the trade skill seems too work. If you sell minerals and compare Journel and the transaction in your wallet you see some changes. I hope this is the trade skill not somekind station fee becuse it can be over 30k profit sometimes depends how mutch you selling. "I have seen things that you only could dream about, i have been there"
JONRA CALI	Posted - 2007.07.02 20:13:00 - [17] Edited by: JONRA CALI on 02/07/2007 20:18:25 Edited by: JONRA CALI on 02/07/2007 20:15:01 Originally by: Torgrim Well the trade skill seems too work. If you sell minerals and compare Journel and the transaction in your wallet you see some changes. I hope this is the trade skill not somekind station fee becuse it can be over 30k profit sometimes depends how mutch you selling. I have found that your standing with a faction (ie: caldari navy) is important. example say, i have a standing of 7 with the caldari navy, they take zero from my reprocessing.and this applies to all stations where there is a caldari navy faction. thanks.
Paddlefoot Aeon Neogen Industries Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.02 20:21:00 - [18] Refining yield is calculated by 2 things. First..... there is your standing towards the NPC corp. If you have a 6.7 standing towards the NPC corp, they do not take a cut of your yield. Second, there is your refining skill. Refining and Refinery Efficiency each to 5, plus one level of the ore-specific skill (veldspar processing, for example), will give you a perfect refine. If you have these 2 things (standing and ore-specific processing), you can get 100% refine in all empire refineries (they have a base yield of 50%). 0.0 outposts have a base yield of 35%, and you cannot get 100% refine there, regardless of skills. -----------------------------------------------
Marine HK4861 Caldari Seoltachd	Posted - 2007.07.02 21:00:00 - [19] Further to Paddlefoot Aeon's post about refining takes, transaction fees are modified by your standing, Broker Relations and Accounting skill. Faction standing has the greatest effect on brokerage fees, followed by corp standing, then Broker Relations. If your standing is high, then Broker Relations won't do much. If your standings are low, then it'll have more of an effect. Attributes do nothing except change how fast you train skills. Anybody that tells you otherwise is misinformed or trying to mislead you.
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.07.03 01:22:00 - [20] Cough post date cough /me readies chain saw. I used to get It. Then It changed. Now I don't even know what It is.
Kumu Honua	Posted - 2007.07.03 01:48:00 - [21] Chain saw? Don't you know? For zombies, you need a shotgun...
Baka Lakadaka Gallente	Posted - 2007.07.03 03:34:00 - [22] Edited by: Baka Lakadaka on 03/07/2007 03:33:44 The relationship is indirect. Charisma helps you train social and trade skills faster. Having good social and trade skills can do several things including: 1) increase your standings quicker 2) decrease your brokerage fees Having good standing with a corp will reduce your refining tax and increase your cut. Therefore Charisma will help - but only by allowing you to train skills quicker and therefore improve your skills at negotiatiing prices/relationships/etc. unless you train the social and trade skills charisma will have little effect on these things. Charisma is also useful for leadership skills. Cheers Baka ______________________ Have a Skill in training every second of every day and never buy a ship you can't afford to replace at least once.

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