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Ninder
Helghan Imperial Armada Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2014.01.16 18:13:00 -
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I have bought about 2bn worth recently as an investment. Personally I can only see the value of these ships rising in the coming year. They can be flown by anyone, fastest way to travel long distances (who doesnt like insta warp?), but also being shuttles very prone to loss. Obviously being special edition means no new ones can be made.
I also can't see these ships being made obsolete anytime soon. Question is how high will they go 100m realistic? |

Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2014.01.16 19:40:00 -
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Ninder wrote:Obviously being special edition means no new ones can be made.
Are you sure about that? Loyd's Loot: Items for sale in Dodixie |

Ricard Chastot
Snake Eye Production
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Posted - 2014.01.16 19:45:00 -
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It's hard to say for sure, but if you look at previous ships that were given out to just about everyone, they have started off high in price and then fell rapidly for the first couple of months on the market.
Gnosis is a good example.
And then there's always the risk that CCP will just re-release it at some point in the future like they did with the Sarum Magnate, which can crash the price obviously.
Anyway, I still have the feeling that they'll drop some more in price. It wasn't possible to trade them in the market when they were first released, so people that wanted to sell had to use contracts (which isn't ideal) and it's quite possible that there's still plenty of people out there that don't even know that it's now possible to sell theirs on the market. And besides they were also showing up as being worth 0 isk in the in-game inventory screen for weeks. They've just recently started showing a value there (36M at the time of this writing), which should spur some additional selling from people who aren't that in the loop as soon as they notice it.
As for how much they are worth, I think 100M is really overshooting it. They're a little faster than an intercepter, but have less cargospace, no fighting capabilities, no tackling abilities, no warp-bubble escaping abilities, and can't fit warp core stabs. As far as their value, I'd guess they'll settle somewhere around 10-20M (assuming that CCP doesn't release more). Maybe you can add a little more for rarity eventually, but there are tons of these things in the game and that's going to take a long time.
Oh noes I'm doing it rong. |

Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
1773
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Posted - 2014.01.16 23:19:00 -
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I expect they will be re-issued sometime. They are like the Gnosis - a consumable with one niche. For the Gnosis it's the best AWOXing ship in the game for lowskilled characters - for the Leopard, it's niche is hub to hub travel when carrying nothing.
I still prefer a travel-fit Interceptor for that for some reason. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. EVE's golden rule: Never trust anyone in-game unless you are sleeping with them in real life. Even then, they may only be screwing you to screw you. |

Billy Hix
Team JK
73
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Posted - 2014.01.16 23:20:00 -
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I have no idea if they will increase in price or not. I did buy about 30 over two characters and scattered them around HighSec. They do make nipping from A - B much easier. |

Ninder
Helghan Imperial Armada Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2014.01.17 00:52:00 -
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Ricard Chastot wrote:It's hard to say for sure, but if you look at previous ships that were given out to just about everyone, they have started off high in price and then fell rapidly for the first couple of months on the market. Gnosis is a good example. And then there's always the risk that CCP will just re-release it at some point in the future like they did with the Sarum Magnate, which can crash the price obviously. Anyway, I still have the feeling that they'll drop some more in price. It wasn't possible to trade them in the market when they were first released, so people that wanted to sell had to use contracts (which isn't ideal) and it's quite possible that there's still plenty of people out there that don't even know that it's now possible to sell theirs on the market. And besides they were also showing up as being worth 0 isk in the in-game inventory screen for weeks. They've just recently started showing a value there (36M at the time of this writing), which should spur some additional selling from people who aren't that in the loop as soon as they notice it. As for how much they are worth, I think 100M is really overshooting it. They're a little faster than an intercepter, but have less cargospace, no fighting capabilities, no tackling abilities, no warp-bubble escaping abilities, and can't fit warp core stabs. As far as their value, I'd guess they'll settle somewhere around 10-20M (assuming that CCP doesn't release more). Maybe you can add a little more for rarity eventually, but there are tons of these things in the game and that's going to take a long time.
Point well made.
I do however think the leopard has more widespread appeal, I used to long for a ship that could do a Jita to amarr run in under 10 minutes while autopiloting. Time is money in EVE and this ship can save you a heck of a lot of time. As mentioned though i believe The biggest obstacle to its price rising will be if CCP chooses to give these away as a reward for re-subbing (how I got my gnosis). |

Aragorn Angelus
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.01.17 01:30:00 -
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You're f'd. |

Ninder
Helghan Imperial Armada Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2014.01.17 01:33:00 -
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Aragorn Angelus wrote:You're f'd. Eloquently put Sir |

Ricard Chastot
Snake Eye Production
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Posted - 2014.01.17 02:12:00 -
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Ninder wrote:Point well made.
I do however think the leopard has more widespread appeal, I used to long for a ship that could do a Jita to Amarr run in under 10 minutes while autopiloting. Time is money in EVE and this ship can save you a heck of a lot of time. As mentioned though I believe the biggest obstacle to its price rising will be if CCP chooses to give these away as a reward for re-subbing (how I got my gnosis).
Don't get me wrong, I really like the ship. I just think it's overpriced and a very risky investment at this time.
Oh noes I'm doing it rong. |

Secret Squirrell
Allied Press Intergalactic
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Posted - 2014.01.17 04:58:00 -
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The Apotheosis would be another interesting point of comparison. 15m 6 years after its only release.
Factors that may Influence Apotheosis value Unique Model Much larger then regular shuttles Identical in useful stats to regular shuttle; improved sensor strength on a shuttle is of little use, taking up more space when assembled isn't a selling point
Leopard Standard Model Really useful bonus to warp speed
Now the Leopard will get used more then the Apotheosis due to that warp speed bonus, that will inevitably result in more getting killed, causing rarity, which will increase the collector value. However, there are plenty of competative substitutes for the utility value of the warp speed, such as ceptors, and they already cost less. 100m isn't that unreasonable, but will probably take a few years to hit that. |

Salome Musashi
Infinite Point Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2014.01.17 05:27:00 -
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Ricard Chastot wrote:It's hard to say for sure, but if you look at previous ships that were given out to just about everyone, they have started off high in price and then fell rapidly for the first couple of months on the market.
This. And then they stabilize.
I used this same philosophy and thought I was going to make a killing on Quafe Zero and the Genolution implants. I came out about 10-20% up on the Quafe, but got nailed on the implants after CCP released a second batch. (supply doubles, demand stays the same, price halves. Oops)
In the end I sold the implants in 0.0, so it wasn't as bad as it could've been.
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Ninder
Helghan Imperial Armada Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2014.01.17 11:16:00 -
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Salome Musashi wrote:Ricard Chastot wrote:It's hard to say for sure, but if you look at previous ships that were given out to just about everyone, they have started off high in price and then fell rapidly for the first couple of months on the market.
This. And then they stabilize. I used this same philosophy and thought I was going to make a killing on Quafe Zero and the Genolution implants. I came out about 10-20% up on the Quafe, but got nailed on the implants after CCP released a second batch. (supply doubles, demand stays the same, price halves. Oops) In the end I sold the implants in 0.0, so it wasn't as bad as it could've been.
Given the advice here I have decided to revise expectations and look for a 20% return ;) |

Sola Mercury
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
58
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Posted - 2014.01.17 11:32:00 -
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Ninder wrote: I used to long for a ship that could do a Jita to Amarr run in under 10 minutes while autopiloting. Time is money in EVE and this ship can save you a heck of a lot of time. (how I got my gnosis).
Autopiloting in a Leo? yeah, good idea. 
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Ninder
Helghan Imperial Armada Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2014.01.17 11:36:00 -
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Sola Mercury wrote:Ninder wrote: I used to long for a ship that could do a Jita to Amarr run in under 10 minutes while autopiloting. Time is money in EVE and this ship can save you a heck of a lot of time. (how I got my gnosis). Autopiloting in a Leo? yeah, good idea. 
If they want to gank me in a shuttle in my +3 implant hi sec clone they're welcome to :) |

X ATM092
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
238
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Posted - 2014.01.17 17:19:00 -
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I can sell you another 70 at 35 each if you want. |

Ninder
Helghan Imperial Armada Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2014.01.18 13:04:00 -
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X ATM092 wrote:I can sell you another 70 at 35 each if you want.
No thanks i bought mine at 25, I'll sell you 80 at 30 if you like? |

X ATM092
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2014.01.18 17:13:00 -
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Ninder wrote:X ATM092 wrote:I can sell you another 70 at 35 each if you want. No thanks i bought mine at 25, I'll sell you 80 at 30 if you like? No dude, wait until they hit 100. |

Mr LaboratoryRat
Confederation of DuckTape Lovers
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Posted - 2014.01.18 23:36:00 -
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X ATM092 wrote:I can sell you another 70 at 35 each if you want. I will take them, set a contract |

X ATM092
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2014.01.19 04:15:00 -
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Mr LaboratoryRat wrote:X ATM092 wrote:I can sell you another 70 at 35 each if you want. I will take them, set a contract Made the contract then checked Jita prices and noticed a spike (buy orders are now at 35) so I deleted it. If you are interested in a higher offer though I do have 76 I'm looking to unload. |

Ninder
Helghan Imperial Armada Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2014.01.19 11:56:00 -
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X ATM092 wrote:Mr LaboratoryRat wrote:X ATM092 wrote:I can sell you another 70 at 35 each if you want. I will take them, set a contract Made the contract then checked Jita prices and noticed a spike (buy orders are now at 35) so I deleted it. If you are interested in a higher offer though I do have 76 I'm looking to unload.
Maybe not such a bad investment after all :) |

Mr LaboratoryRat
Confederation of DuckTape Lovers
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Posted - 2014.01.19 13:28:00 -
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X ATM092 wrote:Mr LaboratoryRat wrote:X ATM092 wrote:I can sell you another 70 at 35 each if you want. I will take them, set a contract Made the contract then checked Jita prices and noticed a spike (buy orders are now at 35) so I deleted it. If you are interested in a higher offer though I do have 76 I'm looking to unload.
Well, thing is, its just like they said and you sugested. They are now in the initail spike and will probaly drop down. I am willing to offer you 1 mil each above buyorders. The risk is on me than
(&btw most those buy orders are mine aswell ;)) |

X ATM092
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
240
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Posted - 2014.01.19 19:04:00 -
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Mr LaboratoryRat wrote:X ATM092 wrote:Mr LaboratoryRat wrote:X ATM092 wrote:I can sell you another 70 at 35 each if you want. I will take them, set a contract Made the contract then checked Jita prices and noticed a spike (buy orders are now at 35) so I deleted it. If you are interested in a higher offer though I do have 76 I'm looking to unload. Well, thing is, its just like they said and you sugested. They are now in the initail spike and will probaly drop down. I am willing to offer you 1 mil each above buyorders. The risk is on me than (&btw most those buy orders are mine aswell ;)) contract up at buys +1 |

Mistress Rose
Club Deadspace
40
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Posted - 2014.01.19 21:28:00 -
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I think its time to commission ST0NER SMURF and the Niarja ganking group to start popping these wholesale. The above moronic comment about AP'ing from Amarr to Jita simply reinforces this.
"If they wanna pop me in my HS +3 clone, go ahead"
Apparently he's been living under a rock the last year, I'm sure ST0NER et al would happily oblige.
/mr |

Wedgie Nelson
Dogs of Capitalism Stellar Trade Clearinghouse
4
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Posted - 2014.01.19 22:47:00 -
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Ninder wrote:I have bought about 2bn worth recently as an investment. Personally I can only see the value of these ships rising in the coming year. They can be flown by anyone, fastest way to travel long distances (who doesnt like insta warp?), but also being shuttles very prone to loss. Obviously being special edition means no new ones can be made.
I also can't see these ships being made obsolete anytime soon. Question is how high will they go 100m realistic?
Why are you trading that way? Why do so many people try that? Peculation? really? Your just a lazy trader wannabee who doesn't want to put in the real work to be successful All the time you wasted collecting them and the time your going to waste waiting to sell them, I can't tell you how much more ISK you could make putting that ISK to better use. |

Ambo
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2014.01.20 14:26:00 -
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Anything that is given to all pilots is just too common to gain any value in a sensible time frame. Especially if it's something that is rarely going to die like a shuttle.
Examples:
Apotheosis - 6 years old - 15 mil - just a (cool) shuttle Zephyr - 5 years old - 20 mil - of some use to wormholers though hardly indispensible Primae - 4 years old - 5 mil - almost totally useless Echelon - 3 years old - 8 mil - almost totally useless
(As far as I'm aware, none of these can be built by players though I may well be wrong)
So obviously it's a little more useful that the Echelon/Primae. I'd be very surprised if it's above 20 mil in 2 years time though. Good luck. |

Mr LaboratoryRat
Confederation of DuckTape Lovers
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Posted - 2014.01.20 22:25:00 -
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Ambo wrote:Anything that is given to all pilots is just too common to gain any value in a sensible time frame. Especially if it's something that is rarely going to die like a shuttle.
Examples:
Apotheosis - 6 years old - 15 mil - just a (cool) shuttle Zephyr - 5 years old - 20 mil - of some use to wormholers though hardly indispensible Primae - 4 years old - 5 mil - almost totally useless Echelon - 3 years old - 8 mil - almost totally useless
(As far as I'm aware, none of these can be built by players though I may well be wrong)
So obviously it's a little more useful that the Echelon/Primae. I'd be very surprised if it's above 20 mil in 2 years time though. Good luck.
You forget that 2 christmas's ago, ppl chould choose a gift. The zephyr is kinda good for looting.
Think about this: How often do people travel in empire? And is time worth isk or other psycological benefits?
In a year or two, i would pay 100 mil for a shuttle.....saves the T2 rigged cepter & ascendancy implant set costs. And even at 100mil i dont think i will sell any, just because they are soo amazingly fast with an ascendacy set :p. Ever done jita amarr in 6 minuts?  |

joyous the
Slippery Penguin
40
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Posted - 2014.01.21 18:22:00 -
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All the cool kids fly Interbus Shuttles. Just sayin' |

Ninder
Helghan Imperial Armada Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2014.01.22 00:05:00 -
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Ambo wrote:Anything that is given to all pilots is just too common to gain any value in a sensible time frame. Especially if it's something that is rarely going to die like a shuttle.
Examples:
Apotheosis - 6 years old - 15 mil - just a (cool) shuttle Zephyr - 5 years old - 20 mil - of some use to wormholers though hardly indispensible Primae - 4 years old - 5 mil - almost totally useless Echelon - 3 years old - 8 mil - almost totally useless
(As far as I'm aware, none of these can be built by players though I may well be wrong)
So obviously it's a little more useful that the Echelon/Primae. I'd be very surprised if it's above 20 mil in 2 years time though. Good luck.
I don't see your point. you're comparing useless ships with the fastest way to (cynoless) travel in eve. given that you can buy a shuttle at 20k isk and identical ships are retailing at 15-20m based solely on aesthetic originality. Don't you think a limited edition ship with a genuine "best-in-class" niche' use would perform considerably better in the market? |

Tzaki Boon
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.01.24 17:30:00 -
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Ninder wrote:X ATM092 wrote:I can sell you another 70 at 35 each if you want. No thanks i bought mine at 25, I'll sell you 80 at 30 if you like?
Price will hit 40m in jita this week. I can see them going for 50 by the summer. Smart investment I'd say. |

Huttan Funaila
Terminal Radioactivity
367
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Posted - 2014.01.24 18:42:00 -
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Zephyrs were also offered as part of an event last year.
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/a-new-live-event-for-july https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=254551 |
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