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Yuzier OA
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Posted - 2006.03.23 13:55:00 -
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 Originally by: Buster Gonads
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Please...dont make a fool of yourself, give us some evidence of what your speaking....5 is run by GM's
As far as I know, there is at least one Events Coordinator high up in Five - I won't reveal his name, but let us say he also holds a Cap Recharger II BPO. 
If you have the evidence, please contact CCP...so we can avoid any future accusations on this topic. Its in both parties interest that this does not occur...so please inform CCP.I am confident they will lokk very stern on this.
But I really dont think you have any evidence at all...its all heresay, conspiracy theories...and hot air talk.
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Raid
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Posted - 2006.03.23 14:01:00 -
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NO
There is enough to do in 0.0 we dont need events and stuff to have fun out here. If events start to cause bad blood like they did with the D7 thing, its best not to do them in 0.0 at all. Stick to empire theres planty of industrialists in there that would love some interesting events.
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K Agg
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Posted - 2006.03.23 14:03:00 -
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0.0 space control has alays been about player determination and organisation.
CCP should only intervine to fix problems caused from bugs or something like that. They have done so in many cases and it is acceptable.
However, to have a certain part of CCP (the events team is not doing things by itself I think) intervine in a player conflict, helping one part or the other is unacceptable.
I hope CCP calls it a foul, and make F-E replay the POS destruction. After all they don't need the gurista's help to do it.....do they?
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Fi T'Zeh
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Posted - 2006.03.23 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Buster Gonads
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Please...dont make a fool of yourself, give us some evidence of what your speaking....5 is run by GM's
As far as I know, there is at least one Events Coordinator high up in Five - I won't reveal his name, but let us say he also holds a Cap Recharger II BPO.
WTS : Tinfoil hat.
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Shyalud
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Posted - 2006.03.23 14:20:00 -
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Originally by: K Agg
0.0 space control has alays been about player determination and organisation.
CCP should only intervine to fix problems caused from bugs or something like that. They have done so in many cases and it is acceptable.
However, to have a certain part of CCP (the events team is not doing things by itself I think) intervine in a player conflict, helping one part or the other is unacceptable.
I hope CCP calls it a foul, and make F-E replay the POS destruction. After all they don't need the gurista's help to do it.....do they?
Read the news, what's the point of Lucash coming out of hiding if he's not going to do anything?
FE has decided to Ally with the Guristas. Nuff Said
Shyalud, CHSN High Council
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Walking Issue
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Posted - 2006.03.23 14:21:00 -
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Edited by: Walking Issue on 23/03/2006 14:21:59
Edited by: Walking Issue on 23/03/2006 14:21:40
I remember back in daoc GM account became compromised and certain person performed something similiar to the so-called "event" - populated emain macha with all kind of high level mobs. As result of this event said person became banned, passwords of all accounts forcibly changed etc. Wonder how same actions can be bannable offense in one game and in other "dont whine its roleplay" ....
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K Agg
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Posted - 2006.03.23 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Shyalud
Read the news, what's the point of Lucash coming out of hiding if he's not going to do anything?
FE has decided to Ally with the Guristas. Nuff Said
So D7 is in Venal now? That is bull....
And he was planing to help the alliance that would allied with him to get rid of invaiders? That is even more bull....
Or you are saying that FE and guristas were planing it for all these days?
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Yuzier OA
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Posted - 2006.03.23 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Walking Issue
Edited by: Walking Issue on 23/03/2006 14:21:59
Edited by: Walking Issue on 23/03/2006 14:21:40
I remember back in daoc GM account became compromised and certain person performed something similiar to the so-called "event" - populated emain macha with all kind of high level mobs. As result of this event said person became banned, passwords of all accounts forcibly changed etc. Wonder how same actions can be bannable offense in one game and in other "dont whine its roleplay" ....
Please bring forth evidence...or else dont say anything, it will just make your look stupid
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Mather Maelstrom
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Posted - 2006.03.23 14:52:00 -
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Edited by: Mather Maelstrom on 23/03/2006 14:53:05
As I posted somewhere else (tough more as a joke) if alliances get help from let say the serpentis or guristas it shouldn't be without consequences.
As it is now it seems people only get benefits from their aid. A certain alliance gets extra fire power, without the concern that you might loose something.
If you fight along the serpentis/ guristas as an alliance you could in example take a standing hit with respect to the gallente federation or caldari state. This might eventually lead to the point where navy forces (not uber pwn concord) of said empires shoot on the alliance members when entering empire space.
Or perhaps the Caldari State would aid for example G. Think this would be a bit overpowered tough =D
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2006.03.23 15:06:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 23/03/2006 15:11:18
So much moaning, Aurora/CCP should keep the events in empire space, seems the empire space population can go more then 24 hours without starting up a carebear moanage bonanza.
Originally by: Mather Maelstrom
Or perhaps the Caldari State would aid for example G. Think this would be a bit overpowered tough =D
The state isnt allowed to enter 0.0 though
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Wizie
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Posted - 2006.03.23 15:08:00 -
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Shouldn't happen, but then it would make events very boring... only way to get all parties involved is to have events and bring in 2 factions to help both sides... Ofcourse 3rd wheels like (PA an example) would get left out.. and could do some uber loot collection :p
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.03.23 15:09:00 -
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"do we want CCP getting themselves involved in our business in 0.0?"
Yes; having active NPC factions (that emulate mechanics players have to put up with i.e. travel limitations, possibility of losing sovereignty of systems and such) in addition to player-run politics in 0.0 makes life more varied and thus more interesting.
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Mark A
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Posted - 2006.03.23 15:12:00 -
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I think it's fine, adds a bit of extra intrigue. One way or another this event has generated a lot of heat, which isn't a bad thing IMHO.
People seem to forget that the Guristas event could have gone either way - if G/IRON had ganked the dreads (which are after all very vulnerable to even a medium sized BS fleet) they could have turned the Guristas faction against F-E, not to mention getting a load of sweet loot.
Yes it needs to be consistent and even-handed, but given this is a fairly new phenomenon it's too early to comment on that yet.
So to the people saying "OMG I'm quitting the game" all I can say is don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. EVE is all about change and progression, so keep up or ship out, your choice.
Originally by: Wizzkidy "Whiner of the Week"
CHEAT! is all I have to say! I don't care what anyone else says .5. and F-E are CHEATING!
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.03.23 15:17:00 -
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"If you fight along the serpentis/ guristas as an alliance you could in example take a standing hit with respect to the gallente federation or caldari state. This might eventually lead to the point where navy forces (not uber pwn concord) of said empires shoot on the alliance members when entering empire space.
Or perhaps the Caldari State would aid for example G. Think this would be a bit overpowered tough =D"
As long as fighting happens in 0.0 and vs factions which the Empires aren't allied with / don't care about ... the fact someone is fighting together with Serpentis or Guristas is of no consequence for the Empires.
Caldari State has no interest in helping G/Iron, seeing how there's not even official contact of any sort between these two factions, let alone positive standings. In fact, it's probably in best interest of the State to let G/Iron and Guristas (along with their allies) to duke it out on their own -- both factions are occupying space the State could put to good use, the more they weaken each other the easier target they will be when/if State eventually decides to extend its borders...
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Valoryn
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Posted - 2006.03.23 15:34:00 -
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Edited by: Valoryn on 23/03/2006 15:34:24
Originally by: Tiuwaz
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
Imo yes but their involvement, wheter in news reporting or agressive actions, shud be agreed with the parties involved beforehand.
setting aside the issue if they should be involved or not, i think you are wrong in that aspect
if they are involved, then they should do it along their backstory and their goals, without asking anyone if they are oke with that
I think they should be involved and agree with Tiuwaz
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Doragee
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Posted - 2006.03.23 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Shyalud
Originally by: K Agg
0.0 space control has alays been about player determination and organisation.
CCP should only intervine to fix problems caused from bugs or something like that. They have done so in many cases and it is acceptable.
However, to have a certain part of CCP (the events team is not doing things by itself I think) intervine in a player conflict, helping one part or the other is unacceptable.
I hope CCP calls it a foul, and make F-E replay the POS destruction. After all they don't need the gurista's help to do it.....do they?
Read the news, what's the point of Lucash coming out of hiding if he's not going to do anything?
FE has decided to Ally with the Guristas. Nuff Said
So...FE decided also to stop hunting the npc-farms as well immedeatly??
In my eyes this would be the only way to "ally" with an npc-faction and since this will not happen, it's sort of BS, sorry...
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Walking Issue
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Posted - 2006.03.23 16:00:00 -
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Edited by: Walking Issue on 23/03/2006 16:04:30
Originally by: Yuzier OA
Originally by: Walking Issue
Edited by: Walking Issue on 23/03/2006 14:21:59
Edited by: Walking Issue on 23/03/2006 14:21:40
I remember back in daoc GM account became compromised and certain person performed something similiar to the so-called "event" - populated emain macha with all kind of high level mobs. As result of this event said person became banned, passwords of all accounts forcibly changed etc. Wonder how same actions can be bannable offense in one game and in other "dont whine its roleplay" ....
Please bring forth evidence...or else dont say anything, it will just make your look stupid
what kind of evidence you require ?
apk camped with a bunch of dragons - google is your friend.
some pos attacked by 'event team' - well there's a bunch of topics here.
point is such 'roleplay' normally should result in bans/disciplinary actions.
so please follow read/comprehend/post procedure.
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Raid
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Posted - 2006.03.23 16:12:00 -
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This is kind of a big issue here....
If you start allowing factions to help one person defend their space they you better start helping EVERYONE. There is going to be some serious bad blood going around if in some instances help comes and in other no help comes. If you cant help everyone then you shouldnt be helping anyone plain and simple. RP it all you want but this is 0.0 space and this is driven by the players, everyone pays the same monthly fee.
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Wizzkidy
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Posted - 2006.03.23 16:18:00 -
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Edited by: Wizzkidy on 23/03/2006 16:18:42
Originally by: Raid
This is kind of a big issue here....
If you start allowing factions to help one person defend their space they you better start helping EVERYONE. There is going to be some serious bad blood going around if in some instances help comes and in other no help comes. If you cant help everyone then you shouldnt be helping anyone plain and simple. RP it all you want but this is 0.0 space and this is driven by the players, everyone pays the same monthly fee.
QFT - I for one will NOT carry on playing this game if "certain" alliences get help from NPC factions and others do not. I will take my 4 char's and cancel my subscriptions.
As far as I'm concered it is cheating
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csebal
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Posted - 2006.03.23 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Mather Maelstrom
Edited by: Mather Maelstrom on 23/03/2006 14:53:05
As I posted somewhere else (tough more as a joke) if alliances get help from let say the serpentis or guristas it shouldn't be without consequences.
As it is now it seems people only get benefits from their aid. A certain alliance gets extra fire power, without the concern that you might loose something.
If you fight along the serpentis/ guristas as an alliance you could in example take a standing hit with respect to the gallente federation or caldari state. This might eventually lead to the point where navy forces (not uber pwn concord) of said empires shoot on the alliance members when entering empire space.
Or perhaps the Caldari State would aid for example G. Think this would be a bit overpowered tough =D
Why would it be more overpowered, than the Guristas helping FE?
If AURORA help means that we get reinforced nodes and lots of action, then im all up for it.
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Darken Two
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Posted - 2006.03.23 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Wizzkidy
Edited by: Wizzkidy on 23/03/2006 16:18:42
Originally by: Raid
This is kind of a big issue here....
If you start allowing factions to help one person defend their space they you better start helping EVERYONE. There is going to be some serious bad blood going around if in some instances help comes and in other no help comes. If you cant help everyone then you shouldnt be helping anyone plain and simple. RP it all you want but this is 0.0 space and this is driven by the players, everyone pays the same monthly fee.
QFT - I for one will NOT carry on playing this game if "certain" alliences get help from NPC factions and others do not. I will take my 4 char's and cancel my subscriptions.
As far as I'm concered it is cheating
And there we have it Ladies and gentlemen, the first official "I'M GOING TO QUITZORS AND TAKE MY BAJILLION ACCOUNTS WITH ME AND CCP IS GOING TO GO BANRUPT" whine post in this thread.
Excellent. These whine threads have made my day a lot more enjoyable.
Originally by: Blind Fear
Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
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BlackDog Rackh'am
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Posted - 2006.03.23 16:27:00 -
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I can understand the gripes of the G/Iron/Rzr group. Factors that can not come under direct player influence have got in the way of a carefully planned operation. However, the wording used by some of their members leaves a lot to be desired. I don't think i have seen such a massive shedding of tears on public display ever since the [5] were crying about that Xetic POS in JV in Tenerifis 
As for the [5]/FE camp...some of them go to great lengths to deny the obvious under the pretext of "more content is good". The obvious being that even 8 NPC dreads in a fleet of 300 that can field 10 player dreads of their own, are still 8 free dreads and a welcome advantage to their side, mobilised withouh risk to them, without logistics or fuel and with maxed skills to boot. Every second you gain against that POS is a second less under hostile fire for you and reduces financial risks for your side. To put it simply as the Iron guys said, you would have won either way but you would have taken more losses. In the grand scheme of things 5 BS less or more might not be much, but for alliance warfare on a big scale everything counts and logistics are king, no use kidding about it.
To sum up, i agree that some people could do with less complaining, but i also think that some others could do with actually being a little honest in what they post for a change
Fortunately, there are members of both sides that have posted interesting comments, most of which i agree with. I think it would be ok for aurora to meddle in 0.0 politics and conflicts, as long as they adhere to a strict set of conditions.
First of all, consistency in their actions and a real agenda.
Second, a sense of balance. NPC faction A are hostile to NPC faction B. Alliance X is hostile to alliance Y. IF A naps X, B should nap Y. If pilots of Y are trigger happy and attack B before the talks, give them another chance, get talking to their leaders and make that nap happen. No use creating events that result in gangbangs.
Last but not least...maybe it's just me but isn't it silly for any NPC faction to ally with those that massacre their ships for bounty money on a daily basis?
It would make more sense to send an Angel Cartel expeditionary force to help FE than a guristas local fleet showing up on their side.
It's all a can of worms in the end. For example, if a northern entity would want to keep on good terms with guristas they should be forced to stop killing them in the belts (ofc the NPC's should obey standings as well). So, how will the occupants of 0.0 make money? Maybe they should start doing missions for Guristas and killing Concord ships...and then we have standing loss,maybe even sec status loss and the gradual creation of an "evil" empire equivalent if you ever want to live in peace with an NPC faction in the same region (like Venal or Stain, NPC regions).
The above model is much more realistic than what we have today, but will be a real pain once you need to go to empire and pick up that fancy new skillbook...
On the other hand, without a realistic interaction model and the usual "train of consequences" approach that makes this game so intriguing, NPC factions meddling in 0.0 affairs can be nothing but arbiters on a whim, randomly tipping the scales of battle to the frustration of players.
Originally by: Black Lotus
I vote u for KIA spokesperson.
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Wizzkidy
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Posted - 2006.03.23 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Darken Two
Originally by: Wizzkidy
Edited by: Wizzkidy on 23/03/2006 16:18:42
Originally by: Raid
This is kind of a big issue here....
If you start allowing factions to help one person defend their space they you better start helping EVERYONE. There is going to be some serious bad blood going around if in some instances help comes and in other no help comes. If you cant help everyone then you shouldnt be helping anyone plain and simple. RP it all you want but this is 0.0 space and this is driven by the players, everyone pays the same monthly fee.
QFT - I for one will NOT carry on playing this game if "certain" alliences get help from NPC factions and others do not. I will take my 4 char's and cancel my subscriptions.
As far as I'm concered it is cheating
And there we have it Ladies and gentlemen, the first official "I'M GOING TO QUITZORS AND TAKE MY BAJILLION ACCOUNTS WITH ME AND CCP IS GOING TO GO BANRUPT" whine post in this thread.
Excellent. These whine threads have made my day a lot more enjoyable.
LOL, Indeed well what do you expect? Yes its a whine and I fully admit it, if you where on the other end i'm sure you would be wining too. It's ok though I'm not expecting CCP to go backrupt, just means I save myself a bit of money 
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Heptameron
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Posted - 2006.03.23 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
Just to make things clear for people who werent in d7 yesterday.
We had a 340 people gang, with many dreads. A few extra dreads from gurista sure was nice, and it was a fun op. But it did not in any way affect the outcome.
About this issue: yes, I would like to see the local NPC powers get involved in 0.0 issues. But only as defenders, never as agressors. In other words, they could, from time to time, help the 0.0 alliances defend their space, but never help in attacking other regions.
I think everyone elses point being that you may not have had such a large gang without the NPC input that had been planned. The last few nights including a whole weekend and no such fleet was put together. The chance to get involved in a huge fleet with the additional resources which you neither had to pay for, replace if they got shot etc made it that more attractive. Without them you would have had to risk you're own ships. FE have proven on numerous occassions and unwillingness to risk huge amounts unless sure of victory.
CCP interaction within the game has to be measured and planned properly. At the end of the day it should be PLAYER interactions that change the Eve landscape and not GM/Event management. I doubt if there would have been a 300+ fleet without the presence of the event team, (dont give me crap about not knowing they were coming as several have said in other threads, the storyline has been laid out by your own). And as such the outcome 'could' have been completely different.
Nevetheles...kudos to both of your alliances for last nights efforts. Nice suprise and nicely executed. But as I said in the other thread, this war is far from over and I certainly can't hear the fat chick exercising her tonsils just yet 
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Edheler
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Posted - 2006.03.23 16:38:00 -
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I believe there is a serious point which the people defending the Event actions in 0.0 are missing:
The actors themselves have agendas. What CCP needs to do is make transparent and accountable that by participating in ISD the actors are not giving their main characters alliances, or even those they are allied with material support.
I personally do not believe that CCP should interfere with 0.0 politics. Nothing good from CCP's standpoint can come of it. All they can achieve is ****ing off one group or another because they were involved. ****ing off any portion of your customer base is a really stupid business decision.
Edheler
Quintessential CEO
Xelas Alliance Executive Committee
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Agent Kenshin
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Posted - 2006.03.23 16:45:00 -
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Edited by: Agent Kenshin on 23/03/2006 16:46:16
Whats the big problem here? Is everyone afraid that eventually the 0.0 empires are going to kick you out of their stations? Cause you know thats gonna happen. Curse, stain, venal, fountain, delve, all the areas with npc stations are going to be alive once kali hits. Yes its gonna happen either your gonna side with those factions or against those factions. If you side against you run the risk of losing your place in those regions.
As the MC has quite a lot of interaction with the events from the titan theft all the way up to now. The 0.0 empires have an agenda. As some who have already interacted with them know. Before us pod pilots showed up 0.0 space was their domain everywhere you find npcs was their sphere of influence before the 0.0 alliances showed up. So everyones gonna complain now that these factions want to kick you out of their space they had before you showed up?
If you think this is gonna be bad you have no idea what kali is gonna bring. I would be scared too if i lived in an npc controlled region too. You are after all living in THEIR space. That little sovereignty flag in the top of your screen shows that. But of course you can always try and take it from them..
Originally by: MAXSuicide
only carebears call pvpers 'greifers'
ehehehh....
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Garreck
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Posted - 2006.03.23 16:46:00 -
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I'm not sure whether to be bemused or vaguely insulted at the insinuations here that events are for "newbs" and "industrialists."
Eve is not a static world. The empires and factions are ever developing, ever plotting, ever scheming, ever looking after their own interests. 0.0 space is no less "off limits" for NPCs as it is for PCs.
As such, CCP is well within reason to run events in 0.0.
The events should be well planned, should be balanced in terms of force and involvement, and should certainly fit within the continuity of the overall Eve fiction (not to mention game mechanics)...but, yeah, events in 0.0 are perfectly okay.
The [insert faction here] really couldn't care less that you got your feelings hurt because of their actions. They're looking after the interests of [faction.] That's all part of having a dynamic environment where NPC and PC interaction blends smoothly, improving immersion and gameplay experience.
Does the system need work? Sure. But the short answer to the OP's question is "yes."
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Abdalion
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Posted - 2006.03.23 16:47:00 -
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Redundant.
Click.
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2006.03.23 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Wizzkidy
As far as I am concered the whole "event" was a sham, we all know why this happened and that being that D7 was on the way to be IRON/G's as ATUK with there GM wisdom people decided that might not just be a good idea to lose so lets start an event down in D7 to rid of IRON/G
Oh and lets also make a new guritas station in M-O that sells dread stuff to F-E for cheap ass ISK. CHEATS!
BS! and if this continues I will leave this game because I don't like CHEATS!
What twaddle. Your saying that CCP colluded with FE to win ??. Wake up.
It was an event events are good the make for more a deeper game. So glad the NPC factions which where just background story are now becoming an active part and making the game alot more interesting.
And bye and can I have your stuff.
Tal
What goes around comes around
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Abdalion
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Posted - 2006.03.23 16:52:00 -
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Use this thread for now to discuss this issue:
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