This is unacceptable, if we could fight back it would be OK and I wouldn't mind it so much..... but this is ridiculous.

That is just how it works in hisec, your only means of fighting back is concord. If concord don't get the job done before you blow up, there is literally nothing you can do. Suicide ganking is a griefing mechanic, the fun and enjoyment is 100% on the gankers side. He gets to pick the time and place, and there is very little you can do to stop him.

This is just how it is, it was designed that way, and i don't think you should expect things to change anytime soon.

I think I will cancel sub soon... im really depressed now :(

CCP reduce the reaction time of Concord in all High sec systems by half, this will cause the gankers to spend more ISK to get the job done (if they still want to do it), and allow Missioners and Industrials some more protection without ruining anyone else's game-play.

I don't really think there is a problem with response time, the lower the sec status the higher the response time, risk vs. reward.

They could increase the sec penalty when suicide ganking, making it cost more to try.

I don't really think there is a problem with response time, the lower the sec status the higher the response time, risk vs. reward.

They could increase the sec penalty when suicide ganking, making it cost more to try.

your only means of fighting back is concord

As I said before, this is the result of Soundwave & Co's master plan.

Anyway, +1 to the OP for the sentiment.

As for the Suicide Gankers, there needs to be more penalty incurred for multiple offenders, something like a 3 strike rule.

DMC

Don't want to end up a snack? Don't run through a pack of wolves with a steak tied to your belt.

You want to go out and run missions in a busy mission hub, in a shiny/pimped ship, when you know the sharks are circling? And you're surprised when you when they come in for an easy meal?

Don't want to be ganked? Run missions in a nice quiet system, in a ship that's appropriate for the task. It's really that easy.

If there wouldn't be a mechanic which discourages group-play..

Or if there would be missions worth running with multiple people..



Anyway. Gankers should face consequences again. It shouldn't be possible to live in highsec with -10 (trololol be on the move and you're fine) and it shouldn't be so easy to get the sec-status back.

As I said in F&I : Currently, a mission runner faces more consequences than a ganker, which is ridiculous.. Yes, ruined standings is actually more of a penalty as what gankers are currently having, and this needs to be changed. EvE is supposed to be a game with consequences, but one group of people don't have to worry about them any longer.

If there wouldn't be a mechanic which discourages group-play..

Or if there would be missions worth running with multiple people..



Anyway. Gankers should face consequences again. It shouldn't be possible to live in highsec with -10 (trololol be on the move and you're fine) and it shouldn't be so easy to get the sec-status back.

As I said in F&I : Currently, a mission runner faces more consequences than a ganker, which is ridiculous.. Yes, ruined standings is actually more of a penalty as what gankers are currently having, and this needs to be changed. EvE is supposed to be a game with consequences, but one group of people don't have to worry about them any longer.

Then tell CCP to provide more SOE level 4 agents and choke points wouldnt exist.

I think of it like this....1.0-8.0 very nice neighborhoods, expensive homes etc. Response time should be lowered a bit here i think. These are secs where $ lives. $ gets more police protection...fact of rl. 0.7-0.5 middle class so not as quick a response but cops will show up. 0.4-0.0 backwoods. No cops cause they r busy in the high tax areas.

How about this....Fit a cheap t1 bs with smart bombs. Fleet up with a mission runner and sit an 0 in his mission. They drop on him...blooeee.. of course u will then be the ganker and lose insurance as well as your ship but if the guy in the loot pinata agrees to help replace a lost hull it shouldn't be that expensive. Only one mission runner at a time will benefit but any death of gankers gets my full support. Never used smart bombs though so this is basically speculation on my part. Worth a shot.

Actually just the opposite. Most of the cops would be on 0.4 and below. in 1.0-0.8, people don't shoot their neighbor over a Toostie Roll on an hourly basis.

There really isn't a downside to highsec ganking other than that annoying kill right that means nothing. Oooh I'm scared ABC Carebear corp has kill rights on me...

If you gank a lot in hi-sec, you get so many kill rights on you that is starts to become a problem. The problem is the 15-30M public kill rights, the price is high enough that you don't want to clear it, but still cheap enough that you risk getting ganked if you flying anything cruiser or bigger.

This isn't actually a problem. The common way around it is to undock at a popular station in a somewhat blingy ship & sit there until someone pays money to activate the killright. Once that happens you dock up, switch to a rookie ship & let someone kill you in that.

Pretty smart. You just have to be careful not to get bumped and webbed out of docking range.

I'm confused about the first thing you said. I don't think anything that discourages group activity in Eve is a good thing.

I've often said this but CCP is reluctant to improve highec content. Maybe it's because they want you to join one of the big alliances and move to low or nullsec? We had level 5 missions but they were moved to lowsec. Incursions are slightly like this but the way it's setup you have to compete for DPS with other fleets and this requires shiny if you want to win.

There really isn't a downside to highsec ganking other than that annoying kill right that means nothing. Oooh I'm scared ABC Carebear corp has kill rights on me... I hope I don't get a fleet of mission ships chasing me! Now sometimes they make it public at the most inopportune time when you're at the Jita gate LOL. Sec status isn't a problem since you're just ganking and when you feel like doing something other than ganking just rat a bit in lowsec and it goes away. If you're lazy buy tags.

There are steps you can take to avoid being ganked but they're not 100%. Don't sit at the warp in point from the gate. If someone comes in your mission warp out.

If you're in a nasty system like the SOE ones fit all T2. Yes they can still gank you for the LOLz but chances are they won't.

-10 shouldn't be allowed to dock in high sec stations (or any emipre/non-nullsec stations?), fleeting with a -10 should give you a suspect flag for as long as you are in fleet with them (yes, I know this provision would be abused, maybe tie it into the safety system?)

What reallyl sucks, is that you often can't preemptively gan the gankers, because if you fire first, concord won't show up at all, or they aren't valid targets because its so easy now to raise sec status, and concord comes after you instead.

Or you could just use T2 stuff instead of blinging out your spaceship with faction/deadspace/officer equipment which is the whole reason they're ganking you in the first place.

As I said in F&I : Currently, a mission runner faces more consequences than a ganker, which is ridiculous.. Yes, ruined standings is actually more of a penalty as what gankers are currently having, and this needs to be changed. EvE is supposed to be a game with consequences, but one group of people don't have to worry about them any longer.

Then tell CCP to provide more SOE level 4 agents and choke points wouldnt exist.

More? There used to be only 1 L4 agent in highsec. Be thankful they increased it to 3.

Failing a single mission, whether due to being ganked or for any other reason, doesn't "ruin" your standings.

Wrong, When doing the Cosmos mission Arc failing any one mission can result in the loss of access to all the agents for the rest of the chain, Forever. So effectively if your mission item is stolen and you fail a mission at the beginning of the Arc you are denied the ability to gain standings from the Cosmos Arc, (FYI the entire Amarr Cosmos Arc raised my standings from 2.0 to 8.7).

Edit; And for standard mission the hit to standings for failing the mission, is usually 6% IIRC of your total standings. I would say that is a severe consequence for someone else's luls.

Then tell CCP to provide more SOE level 4 agents and choke points wouldnt exist.

Dear Missioners in Apanake,

I hate gankers with the fiery burning passion of a thousand suns. I have tried to kill them on my main several times with various methods and they are literally untargetable through 98% of their ganks and movement (warp target immunity and dock before warp target immunity wears off). They have literally no risk of losing anything and we missioners cant even retaliate in an effective manner, save one.

Send me 5-10m isk, if each missioner in Apanake does this, I will ensure they all die, quite painfully. If it is enough, I will ensure it happens multiple times, it depends on the cost of the modules i need and the hulls. If you can manufacture and don't wish to contribute isk, I will gladly accept empty battleship hulls (prefer geddons) with no mods or rigs. I will plex out this character and as long as isk comes in, I will make it my mission to destroy them by any means necessary. I only require a regular supply of isk or specific salvage modules.

Edit:
To assuage the minds of those who would think this a scam, I will be posting my expenses and KM's to my bio or here to the forums if they are allowed. Donations will not be made public to protect the player corps and players making them, this char will be trained in a few days.

Edit 2: A short lived dream

I have received no isk so far, thank goodness. I have just learned that you cannot smartbomb undock points, and since the suicide gankers are untargetable (literally, i tested this at ALL points in their movement when they are not warping with a 4 sebod frigate).... it appears there is no way to stop them. CCP: This is unacceptable, if we could fight back it would be OK and I wouldn't mind it so much..... but this is ridiculous.....

I think I will cancel sub soon... im really depressed now :(

Then tell CCP to provide more SOE level 4 agents and choke points wouldnt exist.