I'd say HED was a success. If you know a better way to put 3600 players into the same system without TiDi, then, please, suggest it. The fact that CCP's hardware is capable of such a feat at all is amazing. There is no reason to protest this.

Now, if you have a specific complaint, perhaps you should talk to your favorite CSM rep and see if they can help you resolve it.

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I'd say HED was a success. If you know a better way to put 3600 players into the same system without TiDi, then, please, suggest it. The fact that CCP's hardware is capable of such a feat at all is amazing. There is no reason to protest this.

Now, if you have a specific complaint, perhaps you should talk to your favorite CSM rep and see if they can help you resolve it.

I don't think unsubcribing and walking away without voicing what I didn't like is helpful. My day job is with a technology company. When we lose customers but don't know why they dropped us, we're left not knowing what to improve. I would like to extend that courtesy to Eve and truth be told I don't *want* to unsub but I want to be heard.

Im pretty certain that when you unsub it asks you why you are leaving. They made it really easy for you if you wanted to do it properly.

Im pretty certain that when you unsub it asks you why you are leaving. They made it really easy for you if you wanted to do it properly.

Address what concern though? That your fleet intentionally did something stupid?

kick enli

My complaint is that I get a "we don't care vibe from CCP."

Will that

1 - Make largescale battles playable?
2 - Alter the dynamics of sov warfare to make it more enjoyable?

If so, I wholeheartedly support kicking ENL-I for the benefit of the game wise sir!

It will do neither of these things, but it would improve my eve-o posting experience greatly, which is the heart of this game anyway.

I really dont know why stupid people ***** over the servers that CCP has. If they didnt have thousands of star systems, then yeah the TiDi could support around 100000+ players in a system. Its not like CCP can fix it, so offering complaints is just going to get you made fun of.

Why do I get the impression that nullsec blobbers have a rather inflated sense of their playstyle, role, and stature in this game?

Massive(er) epic fights in single systems can be done with sufficient dev effort on CCP's part.

Going to call you on that, Name the "Massive(er) epic fights in single systems".

Well in HED in like 2009 the node imploded with 800 dudes....the other day there was nearly 4K thats like 5 times massiver.

Going to call you on that, Name the "Massive(er) epic fights in single systems".

OP, you may protest by giving me all your stuff.

Posting in CFC tears thread #9736

HTFU or GTFO

I work on server software and we gradually figure out how to make it more and more scalability. I don't know CCP's software but I believe that with effort, they can do it. It's easy but it's doable.

inb4 CCP tells you to go whine at your alliance leadership......

and ISD does the sacred dance of the lock lock

I meant that I believe with more effort on CCP's part, we can get to the point where 5,000 / 10,000 / 20,000 man fights can occur without broken mechanics.

I work on server software and we gradually figure out how to make it more and more scalability. I don't know CCP's software but I believe that with effort, they can do it. It's easy but it's doable.

Oh, good. I love goon tears.

This thread is full of them.

http://evenews24.com/2014/01/21/ccps-reaction-to-petitioned-ship-losses-in-hed-gp/

is for your tears. No ships will be reimbursed. So cry now so we can all enjoy it.

Keep trying to crash the nodes cause that works out well for you.

Oh, and you're just bad at eve.

More crying for your enjoyment.

http://evenews24.com/2014/01/20/leaks-aaa-reaction-to-the-loss-of-hed-gp/

and the fight.

http://evenews24.com/2014/01/19/hed-gp-more-like-hed-gg/

ENLI is the suk that fled test during that war wasn't it?

And I am a big city lawyer and you are mentally hilarious.

"Hey guys I work on server software so I know what im talking about"

Yet can't comprehend why 700 Dreads jumping to a 2700 man grid with many thousands of drones was a bad TACTICAL decision and the fact the server did not implode is a testament to the strides CCP has made.

This thread started with *my* dissapoinment in the experience of epic scale battles and I don't/didn't care who won. It was the broken mechanics during the fight that bothered me. I'm not foloowing any goon party line, these are my thoughts. Did you read the whole thread?

Well, if anyone hears of an organized protest let me know. Thx all.

Not for nothing, but why do I get the feeling that players who need their protests spoonfed to them are the same ones who need their content spoonfed to them?

In other words, go ahead and organize a protest. There are plenty of who would join you I'm sure.

I meant that I believe with more effort on CCP's part, we can get to the point where 5,000 / 10,000 / 20,000 man fights can occur without broken mechanics.

I work on server software and we gradually figure out how to make it more and more scalability. I don't know CCP's software but I believe that with effort, they can do it. It's easy but it's doable.

jumping to a 2700 man grid with many thousands of drones

Are you a software developer? If not, there's more to this than you may understand. Massive(er) epic fights in single systems can be done with sufficient dev effort on CCP's part.

Trying to figure out which of us read the leading statments wrong, I read Arbolesaw's statements up to that point in that he thinks that there have been bigger battles than one the other day that prove that it was a software fault that it was so TiDi.

That's a good point. But going back to my day job comparison:

1 - Customer lost with no communicated reason. Sucks.

2 - Customer voices concerns and drops us. We address the concerns but that customer and maybe others are already gone. At least we know why.

3 - Customers voice concerns, we address concerns and customer is happy. Plus other customers benefit from the improved product. Win, win!

Pulling this back to Eve I am the customer and I'm hoping for scenario 3!

Sorry sir but the official N3 party line is that drones do not cause lag and drones are in fact- fine.

Why do I get the impression that nullsec blobbers have a rather inflated sense of their playstyle, role, and stature in this game?

Are you a software developer? If not, there's more to this than you may understand. Massive(er) epic fights in single systems can be done with sufficient dev effort on CCP's part.

So CFC whose party line has been drone fleets cause lag and are bad...decided to put 1000 Domis onto a grid they planned to jump Dreads, and possibly even Supers into.

Do you not realize how ******** that sounds?

"Hey guys we know drone fleets lag out the server and that is why the TEST capitals and N3/PL Capitals evaded us in 2 node crashes (grrr CFC for letting nodes crash!)....but today we are going to jump 700 dreads, and 200 Supers into HED on a loaded grid, with a 1000 man Domi Fleet, against 1000 Archons/Supers/Dreads/Titans."

Doesn't that sound illogical....then the CFC membership has the nerve to blame CCP for messing up...when the server didn't collapse under 2 massive drone doctrines.(Grrr CFC for keeping nodes up!)

Give me a break.

N3 might be pushing a lie....but your leadership is clearly handicapped.

The protest was yesterday. There was cake.

We missed you. Several people asked "Hey, where's that one guy who made that thing?" and people were like "Dude had somewhere else to be obviously... duh." to which I totally replied "Wait...that one guy is gone?!?!?! Its not really a party without that one guy. Sadface."

Yes, I totally said the word sadface. It was a low point in my evening and by then I had maybe like 5 too many Rum and Colas. It had to be generic store brand cola because Steve, also known as that other guy who did that one thing, got wasted last week and made fun on Coca-Cola, and they pulled the vending machine out of the lounge. Just disgraceful. Anyways, the Rum and Colas were still pretty good and I had too many of them.

Back to the story, There was cake. Good cake. No lie! It had frosting AND filling..made of frosting! We were all like NO WAY! It was damn fine cake. I had like..2 pieces or something. I totally spilled some down the front of this one chick... and one thing lead to another.. and she slapped me. It wasn't really a first. Ive been slapped about 6 times in my life, but this was the first time I got slapped by a handful of cake. She apologized and we shared a laugh. Ill be seeing her tomorrow night for some nachos. Women like nachos right? I have a coupon, so i figured nachos would be awesome.

Next time, read the alliance memo dude. That totally could have been you with rum and cola, cake and cake slap with a date with a girl and some nachos. Really nothing to protest about.

Why do I get the impression that nullsec blobbers have a rather inflated sense of their playstyle, role, and stature in this game?

This thread...
Too easy...
To troll...
So easy...
Such fun...
Wow...

I resent that, take it back
You have no idea how hard it is to F1 all the freaking time

Well, if anyone hears of an organized protest let me know. Thx all.

ok it's time to get over this now. I don't know what you were expecting but the fundamental mistake I think you're making is that this isn't anything like your job and the comparison is irrelevant.

"losing customers without knowing why"
- So the suggestion is that CCP are unaware that HED was laggy? Even if for some reason Stevie Wonder was working that night over in London, the endless crybaby posts would surely have peaked their curiosity.

" a lack of prioritized work towards the overall sov experience"
- Like in times gone, If you ever had to spend your weekend making sure you had more POS's in a system than your enemy, in a system with 30 moons only to have the node die when a fight eventually erupts, you might appreciate how things are today by comparison.

"I would like to voice my displeasure in a fairly constructive way. When/how is the protest?"
- Contribute to an existing thread is a great start.

I'm the first to jump down CCP's throat when it comes to genuine grievances. I took issue with the SOMER lotteries promotion, Incarna, T20, the list goes on.. but these are conscious decisions that CCP are making. What you have here is a circumstance in which CCP are simply unable to deliver having done everything in their capacity.. from server reinforcement to TiDi in order to facilitate this fight. If someone blows up a bus, do you blame the bus company? (Americans don't answer that).

This.
We all need to know where we should go to point and laugh.

People weren't blowing up busses, they were standing on the street corner trying to get on one, having paid the bus company in advance for a ride. But when a bus did show up it was full, so they put some people on the roof, hanging out of windows for dear life, while telling others to wait forever for another bus to chug down the road making them late for work... The bus company who keeps seeing these spikes in route demand put soft drink dispensers in the bus, rather than addressing the core service issue.

Perhaps they need bigger busses, or a better bus dispatch system that can dynamically send busses to a route that sees a spike in consumer demand...who knows; the key though is its not the bus RIDER responsible for solving this mess, but the bus company. If you can't support your clients, don't accept their fees (or refund their fees when service fails).

In short, the consumer paid for a service, the provider is failing at providing it. Is this because they are focussing on launching their new airline service "Dusty Wings Over My Azz"? Who can guess...

What is really sad though are the stockholm syndrome bus riders who have been trapped on these busses for so long, that addition of said drink dispenser is all they need to naysay anyone complaining about the ****** bus service.

We need 9000 more people to 'Like' this reply post. That's how awesome this reply post is. TLDR is basically there was cake and girls. CAKE and GIRLS!!!!!!. CAKE and GIRLS!!!!!.... and nachos.




EDIT: This thread should now be about CAKE, GIRLS, and.... nachos. The trinity of awesome.

Come to Halaima this weekend old friend. We'll do some Code enforcement and have some fun. Cats will be provided.

I may have missed it but has there been a discussion about a HED protest? I was very dissapointed with the experience and what I *perceive* to be a general lack of prioritzed work towards a better sov experience.

I would like to voice my displeasure in a fairly constructive way. When/how is the protest?

Largely assuming that what was posted before in other threads are TRUE, the system had a cyno jammer and the domi fleet was part of the initial wave to hit targets and the cyno jammer.

What I am waiting for is an official devblog about this, numbers and charts, the whole shebang. Its safe to assume that CCP is crunching the data from this battle..

Goon tear thread number 9999, if anyone needed another prove who is the whiniest creature in game now there are aplenty.
High sec carebears haven-¦t shed this much tears ever, the whiniest creature in game is the nullsec / goonbear.

Hey goonies and friends, if you get yourself plastered at a bar and embark on the brilliant idea to drive home yourself and wreck your car in the process do you also blame, the booze company, the car manufacturer, the bartender or the police?

You knew exactly what would happen there were more than enough precedences, its not CCPs fault if you do not know how to work with the tools and space you are given, its laziness and stupidity but please keep the tears running they are delicious.

CCP: Eve is fun, it's all about epic large scale fleet fights.
The 4K: Large fleet fights sucks balls!

I don't know how to believe...

A protest....Try and cram 10,000 people in Jita. Watch the server melt down.

They are awesome when you win.
They suck when you lose.

Quick question and then I'll address the other parts of your post - were you there?

Are you a software developer? If not, there's more to this than you may understand. Massive(er) epic fights in single systems can be done with sufficient dev effort on CCP's part.

The issue is actually not so much the number of people in system, though that was stressing things pretty heavily. The issue is session changes, which happen when, for example, you jump a gate, enter a wormhole, undock, dock, or cyno into a system. Each player's session change is a DB query for All The Things, particularly skills and implants. If you cyno in 1500 people at once, you're going to spike Time Dilation hard because the server has to put everything on hold while it runs 1500 queries to support 1500 session changes. If you cyno 1500 people on grid with 1500 other people, then you have to send 1500*1500 notifications out in addition to all the session changes, with all of those tasks hitting the same thread that the physics engine lives in. If Time Dilation is already spiked hard... welp.

CCP is working on solutions for both problems--the so-called "brain in a box" to ease the burden of session changes, and a parallel (heh) project to pass the notification tasks (the 1500x1500 problem) to a thread running on (an)other core(s) on the same server. Until they announce those fixes, which are not simple, the tactic employed by RUS/CFC, while admirably ballsy, is more or less guaranteed to bring any server CCP uses to its knees if the force they're cynoing into is as big as PL/N3's was that day.

The work CCP is doing is essentially post-doctoral research (as in, CCP has hired post-docs to do the work on the basis of their dissertation subjects). If you're up for that, and you don't mind living in Iceland, send in a resume. Otherwise you'll just have to join the rest of us in accepting that you know little to nothing about the problems they're facing and why they're as intractable as they are. You can learn as much as their is to learn by spelunking through ca. 2011 and 2012 dev blogs and by stalking CCP Veritas on the forums.

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• Or you Goon pet Alliances could not GÇ£Third partyGÇ¥ into an already large engagement between two other coalitions which didnGÇÖt see many TiDi and crashed nodes until you chuckle fucks showed up?...

• Or you Goon pet Alliances could learn how to apply skill to flying your ships in order to win engagements instead of relying on ridiculous numbers to crash nodes, TiDi systems, or create blue ball situations?....

• Or you Goon pet Alliances could put pressure on your ALIANCE LEADERS and tell them to stop circle jerking you sheep around by feeding you this bull **** of SOVs broken to justify the endless blue lists you folks GÇ£enjoyGÇ¥ yet create the situation your crying about?....

• Or you Goon pet Alliances could play the game as it was intendedGǪGǪGǪ.you know, a space game where you shoot other ships not in your Alliance, instead of keeping it stuck in this cycle where you blame CCP for all the lies you fall for that Goonies feed you as to why things are the way they are?....

• Or you Goon pet Alliances could stop pretending that its CCPs fault for not developing a game with the capabilities, yet, to allow RARE 3,000+ pilot fights to occur flawlessly as if they happen every day of the week and you have so many other games to choose from that offer something better ffs?...

• Or you Goon pet Alliances could stop buying into this bull **** being fed to you by The Martini and his minions that GÇ£XGÇ¥ is broken and therefore we need GÇ£XGÇ¥ done before the game will be fun again and until then its CCPs faultGǪ.. If you havenGÇÖt caught on by now that something will always be GÇ£brokenGÇ¥ to keep you all from seeing that your just sheep being used to keep The Martini in new yoga pants and his new website making money hand over fist so he doesnGÇÖt need to work a real job (like you do) ever againGǪ..

AnywhooGǪGǪGǪGǪTLDRGǪGǪGǪ stop being so ******* gullible, man the **** up and start demanding that your Alliance leaders start playing the game ffs instead of wasting your time by making someone who coined the phrase GÇ£weGÇÖre not here to ruin the game, weGÇÖre here to ruin your gameGÇ¥, tried to get a depressed/suicidal guy griefed into kill himself, all while he rarely even logs into play the game, publically states the game is horrible and yet makes a lot of RL advertising/website money though you keeping him and Goons GÇ£at the topGÇ¥GǪGǪ

Fly safe!..
.

Waffle haus 2014

lol but seriously tidi blows.

The protest was yesterday. There was cake.

We missed you. Several people asked "Hey, where's that one guy who made that thing?" and people were like "Dude had somewhere else to be obviously... duh." to which I totally replied "Wait...that one guy is gone?!?!?! Its not really a party without that one guy. Sadface."

Yes, I totally said the word sadface. It was a low point in my evening and by then I had maybe like 5 too many Rum and Colas. It had to be generic store brand cola because Steve, also known as that other guy who did that one thing, got wasted last week and made fun on Coca-Cola, and they pulled the vending machine out of the lounge. Just disgraceful. Anyways, the Rum and Colas were still pretty good and I had too many of them.

Back to the story, There was cake. Good cake. No lie! It had frosting AND filling..made of frosting! We were all like NO WAY! It was damn fine cake. I had like..2 pieces or something. I totally spilled some down the front of this one chick... and one thing lead to another.. and she slapped me. It wasn't really a first. Ive been slapped about 6 times in my life, but this was the first time I got slapped by a handful of cake. She apologized and we shared a laugh. Ill be seeing her tomorrow night for some nachos. Women like nachos right? I have a coupon, so i figured nachos would be awesome.

Next time, read the alliance memo dude. That totally could have been you with rum and cola, cake and cake slap with a date with a girl and some nachos. Really nothing to protest about.

Goon posting is bad, no disagreement there :)

People weren't blowing up busses, they were standing on the street corner trying to get on one, having paid the bus company in advance for a ride. But when a bus did show up it was full, so they put some people on the roof, hanging out of windows for dear life, while telling others to wait forever for another bus to chug down the road making them late for work... The bus company who keeps seeing these spikes in route demand put soft drink dispensers in the bus, rather than addressing the core service issue.

Perhaps they need bigger busses, or a better bus dispatch system that can dynamically send busses to a route that sees a spike in consumer demand...who knows; the key though is its not the bus RIDER responsible for solving this mess, but the bus company. If you can't support your clients, don't accept their fees (or refund their fees when service fails).

In short, the consumer paid for a service, the provider is failing at providing it. Is this because they are focussing on launching their new airline service "Dusty Wings Over My Azz"? Who can guess...

What is really sad though are the stockholm syndrome bus riders who have been trapped on these busses for so long, that addition of said drink dispenser is all they need to naysay anyone complaining about the ****** bus service.

HERE HERE!

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