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Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
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Posted - 2014.01.24 01:12:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Kitty Bear wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Diamond Zerg wrote:
Isn't it a part of gay culture to try and be more feminine? Or do I totally have the wrong end of the stick?
Why on Earth would a gay man try to act and be feminine at all ? It's probably due to misconception based on media stereotyping. To be fair my social experiences with gays of either sex isn't very extensive, I've know maybe a dozen or so that were open about their sexual preferences over the years. None of those men were camp or overly feminine in their actions, behaviour, social interests or dress. Like most other things in life, the media has a LOT to answer for. Not for just the "feminized" portrayals (I abhor the gay couple on "Modern Family".... stereotyped performances of a new social concept). And most gay male characters in films still are pretty much guaranteed to die (Dallas Buyer's Club, even, a film I do support though). Even James Gandolfini's gay character in "The Mexican" for God's sake. At least Annette Benning and Julianne Moore lived through the film "The Kids are Alright". But even then, the movie seemed to focus more on Mark Ruffalo's "straight interloper" character. they just seemingly needed an excuse to show one of the couple in bed with a man. Sheesh. ed: remembered all 3 characters lived though "Priscilla, Queen of the Desert". But then that was an Australian production, not Hollywood. And the first gay film without a death was probably the original "La Cage aux Folles", which does have both a masculine and feminine character. But again, that was a French production (although very well Hollywood-remade as "The Birdcage").
I never made that connection before! I feel bad for being inept in that regard lol. I loved gandolfini's character in "the Mexican."
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4197
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Posted - 2014.01.24 01:41:00 -
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Years of observation in MMOs from my perspective tells me that gender selection with avatars or toons is inconsequential for most players but almost as inconsequential as gender in RL.
This is why most people who, on hearing of someone in the GLBT community about (by whatever media) DO NOT fall on the floor and writhe in agony because somebody somewhere is "being gay" or something.
So, a radfem or "bible thumper" in RL, people for whom gender issues or gender ID issues are the entire world for them, would be the only ones for which RL gender ID is everything or selection in an MMO (perchance they play one) are really the only ones who care about this.
So as many people in an MMO care about such matter about as many care in RL - which is not that much. I recently had to explain this to an activist who was all torqued up about some journalist outing a trans person. In the circles of activists and journalists, about this topic, it's a big deal to them. I explained that those of us "outside" these circles don't even bother to read about it, especially because of the "why you should care" tone of such articles from either direction - why you should accept it and use that as a progressive whip against those who don't, or why it should bother you and make you wail and gnash your teeth - is rather insulting to the reader. People don't want to be preached at for not caring, or for not caring enough.
I have known women who play male avatars either because they think it fits in the genre of the game they are playing, or because it keeps them from being harassed. Men I find, who run females, tend to be on the opinion that, in third person view, "who wants to look at a dude's butt all day?".
The prime reason for those who do not, is simply because they do not want to "misrepresent" themselves. In Eve I have observed that alts of male players tend to be female, like it's a "Charlie's Angels" thing they have going on.
So I would say that it's not a sign of homosexuality.
Anybody fearing that it is, I dare you to role a opposite gender alt. If you wake up gay the next day, report back to this thread.
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Commissar Kate
Team Evil
41756
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Posted - 2014.01.24 01:50:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Years of observation in MMOs from my perspective tells me that gender selection with avatars or toons is inconsequential for most players but almost as inconsequential as gender in RL.
This is why most people who, on hearing of someone in the GLBT community about (by whatever media) DO NOT fall on the floor and writhe in agony because somebody somewhere is "being gay" or something.
So, a radfem or "bible thumper" in RL, people for whom gender issues or gender ID issues are the entire world for them, would be the only ones for which RL gender ID is everything or selection in an MMO (perchance they play one) are really the only ones who care about this.
So as many people in an MMO care about such matter about as many care in RL - which is not that much. I recently had to explain this to an activist who was all torqued up about some journalist outing a trans person. In the circles of activists and journalists, about this topic, it's a big deal to them. I explained that those of us "outside" these circles don't even bother to read about it, especially because of the "why you should care" tone of such articles from either direction - why you should accept it and use that as a progressive whip against those who don't, or why it should bother you and make you wail and gnash your teeth - is rather insulting to the reader. People don't want to be preached at for not caring, or for not caring enough.
I have known women who play male avatars either because they think it fits in the genre of the game they are playing, or because it keeps them from being harassed. Men I find, who run females, tend to be on the opinion that, in third person view, "who wants to look at a dude's butt all day?".
The prime reason for those who do not, is simply because they do not want to "misrepresent" themselves. In Eve I have observed that alts of male players tend to be female, like it's a "Charlie's Angels" thing they have going on.
So I would say that it's not a sign of homosexuality.
Anybody fearing that it is, I dare you to role a opposite gender alt. If you wake up gay the next day, report back to this thread.
Haha my mains are female and alts are male. I wonder what that means....
Nothing.
People, who talk, don't know. People, who know, don't talk.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
92276
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Posted - 2014.01.24 02:06:00 -
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Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
I never made that connection before! I feel bad for being inept in that regard lol. I loved gandolfini's character in "the Mexican."
It was one of the more accurate performances ever. I know guys exactly like him (without the career though) "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8782
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Posted - 2014.01.24 02:07:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Years of observation in MMOs from my perspective tells me that gender selection with avatars or toons is inconsequential for most players but almost as inconsequential as gender in RL. Gender in real life is not consequential, at all. You have to be living under a rock if you really believe that. My EVE Videos |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
92276
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Posted - 2014.01.24 02:26:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Years of observation in MMOs from my perspective tells me that gender selection with avatars or toons is inconsequential for most players but almost as inconsequential as gender in RL. Gender in real life is not consequential, at all. You have to be living under a rock if you really believe that.
Oh really ? Which gender gets r*p*d more ?? "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8782
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Posted - 2014.01.24 02:31:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Years of observation in MMOs from my perspective tells me that gender selection with avatars or toons is inconsequential for most players but almost as inconsequential as gender in RL. Gender in real life is not consequential, at all. You have to be living under a rock if you really believe that. Oh really ? Which gender gets r*p*d more ?? That's not even what I was referring to. My EVE Videos |
Cynter DeVries
Spheroidal Projections
776
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Posted - 2014.01.24 03:39:00 -
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From one of the bazillion other threads: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2981355#post2981355
- Identity - Propriety - Masquerade - Convenience Cynter's Law of feature suggestion: Thou shalt not suggest NPCs do something players could do instead. |
Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
884
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Posted - 2014.01.24 07:21:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Years of observation in MMOs from my perspective tells me that gender selection with avatars or toons is inconsequential for most players but almost as inconsequential as gender in RL. Gender in real life is not consequential, at all. You have to be living under a rock if you really believe that. Oh really ? Which gender gets r*p*d more ??
Just when I thought you wanted to say "random" instead of "inconsequential" you come up with **** like that... Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4197
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Posted - 2014.01.24 07:33:00 -
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Commissar Kate wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Years of observation in MMOs from my perspective tells me that gender selection with avatars or toons is inconsequential for most players but almost as inconsequential as gender in RL.
This is why most people who, on hearing of someone in the GLBT community about (by whatever media) DO NOT fall on the floor and writhe in agony because somebody somewhere is "being gay" or something.
So, a radfem or "bible thumper" in RL, people for whom gender issues or gender ID issues are the entire world for them, would be the only ones for which RL gender ID is everything or selection in an MMO (perchance they play one) are really the only ones who care about this.
So as many people in an MMO care about such matter about as many care in RL - which is not that much. I recently had to explain this to an activist who was all torqued up about some journalist outing a trans person. In the circles of activists and journalists, about this topic, it's a big deal to them. I explained that those of us "outside" these circles don't even bother to read about it, especially because of the "why you should care" tone of such articles from either direction - why you should accept it and use that as a progressive whip against those who don't, or why it should bother you and make you wail and gnash your teeth - is rather insulting to the reader. People don't want to be preached at for not caring, or for not caring enough.
I have known women who play male avatars either because they think it fits in the genre of the game they are playing, or because it keeps them from being harassed. Men I find, who run females, tend to be on the opinion that, in third person view, "who wants to look at a dude's butt all day?".
The prime reason for those who do not, is simply because they do not want to "misrepresent" themselves. In Eve I have observed that alts of male players tend to be female, like it's a "Charlie's Angels" thing they have going on.
So I would say that it's not a sign of homosexuality.
Anybody fearing that it is, I dare you to role a opposite gender alt. If you wake up gay the next day, report back to this thread.
Haha my mains are female and alts are male. I wonder what that means.... Nothing.
It means you like to be dominated.
Or probably nothing.
Sometimes it's like "Dr. Girlfriend Online" around here.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4197
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Posted - 2014.01.24 07:52:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Years of observation in MMOs from my perspective tells me that gender selection with avatars or toons is inconsequential for most players but almost as inconsequential as gender in RL. Gender in real life is not consequential, at all. You have to be living under a rock if you really believe that. Oh really ? Which gender gets r*p*d more ?? That's not even what I was referring to.
James you misunderstand me, Krixtal is working off that misunderstanding. Gender ID or how much that matters to an individual is rather unique from person to person. It's possible that I took the same kind of course that Slade took in college, the one where they study everything about sexuality, habits, all that - I was in one of the last classes because it was shut down due to "controversy". Yeah those where the days before internet.
We concentrate on identity in these discussions a lot, and the people who make their living writing and talking about it kind of forget that out "in the field", what matters to an individual varies. So if I say RL gender ID is not "as consequential" to some people as it is to others, this is based on observation.
For some people it's everything, for others, not so much. If respect for the rights of individuals was first and foremost, rather than collectivistic "group based rights", nobody would have to give a rats ass what anybody thought.
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Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
186
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Posted - 2014.01.24 08:30:00 -
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Have a beard - check Scraggly hair - check Ride a Harley - check Dress grungy - check Children cry in fear when they see me - check Drive a 4x4 truck - check Operate heavy machinery - check Hunt with big guns - check Eat red meat - check Avatar an expression of myself - HA-HA! nooo Am gay - oh frak no OP looking for attention - check
How about writers? Do they qualify as having homosexual tendencies? I mean they sometimes develop female character and write about them
Oh yeah, I write fiction too, double jeopardy I suppose... and I model women in my modelling app (character modeling), rig and animate them, it's so obvious, eh? hehehehe... GÇö+¬GÇö |
Aineko Macx
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
288
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Posted - 2014.01.24 10:20:00 -
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Breaking news: Male players playing Tomb Raider are confirmed homosexuals.
Seriously tho, if the choice of character gender triggers your insecurities to the point of seriously asking about it, you have some serious issues or haven't yet acquired sufficient maturity. |
Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Warfare Corp.
436
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Posted - 2014.01.24 11:04:00 -
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i have male and female , this one (lugal) looks little as me in rl only less handsome ofcourse , and a made meskia who looks like my wife , little more handsome.
so no im not gay The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
92276
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Posted - 2014.01.24 12:50:00 -
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Omega Sunset wrote:Have a beard - check Scraggly hair - check Ride a Harley - check Dress grungy - check Children cry in fear when they see me - check Drive a 4x4 truck - check Operate heavy machinery - check Hunt with big guns - check Eat red meat - check Avatar an expression of myself - HA-HA! nooo Am gay - oh frak no OP looking for attention - check
You're extra negative emphasis on the bolded point above makes me seriously "wonder".
Why not a simple "nope". Or are you so insecure with yourself, that you have to doubly guarantee that we, the readers, understand that under no circumstance are you to even be mistaken for being "less than a man", ever.
Sorry the thread caused you a one-line freak-out. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
186
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Posted - 2014.01.24 13:01:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Sorry the thread caused you a one-line freak-out.
So if we are going to read stuff into posts to try to invent some points into our favor, not a fan of BSG I take it.
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Dav Varan
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
143
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Posted - 2014.01.24 13:06:00 -
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Diamond Zerg wrote:Hi.
I have seen a lot of female names accompanied by female avatars in EVE, and most of these characters have a man behind the keyboard.
Personally, being represented by a female name and avatar feels weird to me. Does anyone else feel the same way?
Anyway, is this behaviour a sign of homosexuality? Does it reflect the desire some men have to be more like a woman?
PS: I'm not saying homosexuality is a bad thing, I'm just asking an honest question
Could it make you happy to admit that you are a bit gay? And that it's part of the reason why you roleplay females?
Hmm I can control a hot girl on screen or a hot dude, really who's gay ? Not that I's saying my hands have ever been anywhere except on my keyboard while wa!king in stations
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
92276
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Posted - 2014.01.24 13:08:00 -
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Omega Sunset wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Sorry the thread caused you a one-line freak-out.
So if we are going to read stuff into posts to try to invent some points into our favor, not a fan of BSG I take it.
Wrong.
I've seen this over and over again for 48 years.
Folks answering a series of personal questions, then it gets to the "are you gay" question and it's OMG hell no, GET OUTTA HERE, and NO FREAKING WAY.
Over and over and over again. It's tiresome and idiotic. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Sarik Farek
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.01.24 13:24:00 -
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Diamond Zerg wrote:Hi.
I have seen a lot of female names accompanied by female avatars in EVE, and most of these characters have a man behind the keyboard.
Personally, being represented by a female name and avatar feels weird to me. Does anyone else feel the same way?
Anyway, is this behaviour a sign of homosexuality? Does it reflect the desire some men have to be more like a woman?
PS: I'm not saying homosexuality is a bad thing, I'm just asking an honest question
Could it make you happy to admit that you are a bit gay? And that it's part of the reason why you roleplay females?
Maybe because you are unconfortable playing a female avatar in a virtual world, you might be the one who have trouble assuming his sexual orientation .
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
795
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Posted - 2014.01.24 13:30:00 -
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I have removed a rule breaking post. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!
The rules: 5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.
That said, all of the people in my corporation have both male and female characters. Some of those people are (openly) gay, most are not. Those two things (gender of character > sexual orientation in real life) have noting to do with each other in my experience.
People have different reasons to make the characters as they are, mine are without exception modelled to the role I envision them to play in New Eden. And as such have noting (or at most very little) to do with real life. Besides that, the character generator of EvE is really incredible, its always a feast to thinker and tweak to the point its exactly like the character you envisioned it to be. ISD Ezwal Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Random McNally
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
46248
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Posted - 2014.01.24 13:35:00 -
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ISD Ezwal wrote:Besides that, the character generator of EvE is really incredible, its always a feast to thinker and tweak to the point its exactly like the character you envisioned it to be.
Only problem is to continue tweaking costs a Plex....
What up with that? Co-Host of the High Drag Podcast. http://highdrag.wordpress.com/ Check out the space music at http://minddivided.com |
Commissar Kate
Team Evil
41756
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Posted - 2014.01.24 13:41:00 -
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Random McNally wrote:ISD Ezwal wrote:Besides that, the character generator of EvE is really incredible, its always a feast to thinker and tweak to the point its exactly like the character you envisioned it to be. Only problem is to continue tweaking costs a Plex.... What up with that?
Well CCP does need to make money too.
They also need to take a look at the link in my sig too. People, who talk, don't know. People, who know, don't talk.
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Mizhir
Mangala Solaris's Fan Club
51651
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Posted - 2014.01.24 13:56:00 -
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Random McNally wrote:ISD Ezwal wrote:Besides that, the character generator of EvE is really incredible, its always a feast to thinker and tweak to the point its exactly like the character you envisioned it to be. Only problem is to continue tweaking costs a Plex.... What up with that?
Atleats you have the option to tweak.
I would pay 2 plexes to get a chance to fix my eyes! One Man Crew - The official Bringing Solo Back contest
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Random McNally
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
46248
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Posted - 2014.01.24 14:34:00 -
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Commissar Kate wrote:Random McNally wrote:ISD Ezwal wrote:Besides that, the character generator of EvE is really incredible, its always a feast to thinker and tweak to the point its exactly like the character you envisioned it to be. Only problem is to continue tweaking costs a Plex.... What up with that? Well CCP does need to make money too. They also need to take a look at the link in my sig too. I pay cash for 3 accounts and have done so for quite a few years.
I think I've earned a resculpt. Co-Host of the High Drag Podcast. http://highdrag.wordpress.com/ Check out the space music at http://minddivided.com |
Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
4994
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Posted - 2014.01.24 15:27:00 -
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I reread the topic of this post and I realized that the OP did a terrible job of correlating. Two different subjects are presented. His topic asks if roleplaying a gender opposite your own indicates homosexual tendencies. Yet his post seemingly shows that his definition of roleplaying doesn't go beyond name and avatar selection. Which is erroneous IMO.
This got me to thinking about instances where I created and roleplayed male characters. Which, admittedly, I have done for varied reasons. Some as innocent as simple curiosity to how I would be treated to completely self serving ones like infiltration or simply wanting to know what people thought about the real me they would not say to my face.(back when I was younger and still cared about that sort of thing.)
Now during this little gender bending escapades I never felt any sudden homoerotic sensations nor felt the need to try and be flirty towards the other handful of women around but I'd be lying if I did not admit to feeling just a little bit different. Empowered somehow. Like I had leveled the playing field somehow with my successful deceits. Score one for the home team or something.
I was also surprised a little at how easy it was to slip into the role of a man. There were no acceptance issues. No one questioned me. After dealing with routine doubts to my authenticity for years I suppose I expected more of the same on some level.
Anyway, I was going somewhere with this but I've been distacted from it by actually having to gt up and work so many times ive sort of forgotten my original idea lol! |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
92276
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Posted - 2014.01.24 15:50:00 -
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Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
I was also surprised a little at how easy it was to slip into the role of a man. There were no acceptance issues. No one questioned me. After dealing with routine doubts to my authenticity for years I suppose I expected more of the same on some level.
Yes yes yes.
And it contrasts so strongly with incidents like all the stories this past year of women giving presentations at tech conferences, and being disparaged, and their legitimacy questioned, by male executives for wearing high heels.
Ugh. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4198
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Posted - 2014.01.24 16:36:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
I was also surprised a little at how easy it was to slip into the role of a man. There were no acceptance issues. No one questioned me. After dealing with routine doubts to my authenticity for years I suppose I expected more of the same on some level.
Yes yes yes. And it contrasts so strongly with incidents like all the stories this past year of women giving presentations at tech conferences, and being disparaged, and their legitimacy questioned, by male executives for wearing high heels. Ugh.
Side note:
America was founded by men who wore shoes with large buckles and heels, tights, and powdered wigs. They also smoked weed and had slaves.
ehhh I just don't know. ......
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Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
956
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Posted - 2014.01.24 16:46:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
I was also surprised a little at how easy it was to slip into the role of a man. There were no acceptance issues. No one questioned me. After dealing with routine doubts to my authenticity for years I suppose I expected more of the same on some level.
Yes yes yes. And it contrasts so strongly with incidents like all the stories this past year of women giving presentations at tech conferences, and being disparaged, and their legitimacy questioned, by male executives for wearing high heels. Ugh. Side note: America was founded by men who wore shoes with large buckles and heels, tights, and powdered wigs. They also smoked weed and had slaves. ehhh I just don't know. ...... Actually, no - those poufs showed up later. Initially, it was just working clothes... And damned little of them.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2014.01.24 16:47:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:America was founded by men who wore shoes with large buckles and heels, tights, and powdered wigs. They also smoked weed and had slaves. ehhh I just don't know. ......
"Okay guys, one more thing, this summer when you're being inundated with all this American bicentennial Fourth Of July brouhaha, don't forget what you're celebrating, and that's the fact that a bunch of pot smoking, aristocratic, white males didn't want to pay their taxes."
-- School teacher in "Dazed and Confused" (1993) "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Anys Thes'Realin
400
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Posted - 2014.01.24 16:55:00 -
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This is certainly a topic I've seen come up repeatedly over the years. I have characters of either gender, and for different reasons. Back in City of Heroes (may it rest in peace) I would create a character oftentimes based on a concept or theme, while at other times, I'd choose a certain gender depending on customization options (CoH had slightly better customization for females than males).
Sometimes I make a character based on how others might treat him/her. Anys, for instance, was originally going to be a Fleet Warfare character, and I wanted a look that was a little goofy and silly with her above-average chest. Although as a backstory materialized for her and I ended up just running missions, her appearance rapidly changed and became much more serious (although still buxom, I don't feel it's worth wasting a Plex on that).
A lot of times too - I just want to make a character/avatar that's visually appealing to me. My (WIP) Roleplaying Profile: http://tinyurl.com/nfazlch
I support having more clothes for our characters!-á http://tinyurl.com/kpafjh2 |
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