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Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.03.27 11:45:00 - [31] Originally by: Rodge Originally by: Slickster Why not leave the game design to ccp its there brain child ? Because we, the players, twist the game design to find overpowered applications of CCP's designs. Then CCP makes a change (nerf) to bring the game design back into the way it was conceived to work. Initially, I thought that this would be another silly "nerf" thread, but this one actually makes quite a bit of sense. Why should any BS get a bonus to small guns, which is effectively what light/medium drones are on a Dominix? I'm in favour of this change! My thoughts exactly. It makes a lot of sense.
Galactic Magi	Posted - 2006.03.27 11:46:00 - [32] Originally by: Zemeckis R Originally by: Galactic Magi Every battleship in game has damage bonuses to it biggest weapons. Considering that shouldnt dominix drone bonuses only apply to heavy and sentry drones? RAVEN Special Ability: 5% bonus to Cruise and Siege Launcher Rate Of Fire and 10% bonus to Cruise Missile and Torpedo Velocity per level. so... shut up What?
Lorette	Posted - 2006.03.27 11:50:00 - [33] I dont see how this will make much differnce, heavies are fine at hitting anything but frigs and lights dont need the dmg bonus to hurt frigs bad .
Spartan239	Posted - 2006.03.27 11:51:00 - [34] Originally by: Rorho Dimaxi Domi drone damage/hp bonus = ABSTRACTION for Domi +1 drone controlled bonus!! Did Domi have "+1 heavy drone controlled" bonus? no, that would make NO sense at all, why would it be able to control more larger drones but not smaller ones? It had +1 ANY drone controlled and that makes perfect sense. This perfect sense automatically applies to the current abstraction, "let's replace numbers with damage which is equal" absurd. it was changed to damage for rmr, beacuse of the lag drones caused,
Laythun	Posted - 2006.03.27 11:54:00 - [35] Originally by: Spartan239 Originally by: Rorho Dimaxi Domi drone damage/hp bonus = ABSTRACTION for Domi +1 drone controlled bonus!! Did Domi have "+1 heavy drone controlled" bonus? no, that would make NO sense at all, why would it be able to control more larger drones but not smaller ones? It had +1 ANY drone controlled and that makes perfect sense. This perfect sense automatically applies to the current abstraction, "let's replace numbers with damage which is equal" absurd. it was changed to damage for rmr, beacuse of the lag drones caused, quite right so Dimaxi's arguement oesnt apply. --------------------------------------------- If im flaming or not contributing im sorry, but im trying to get into th [23]
Nadec Ascand	Posted - 2006.03.27 11:55:00 - [36] Originally by: Spartan239 Originally by: Rorho Dimaxi Domi drone damage/hp bonus = ABSTRACTION for Domi +1 drone controlled bonus!! Did Domi have "+1 heavy drone controlled" bonus? no, that would make NO sense at all, why would it be able to control more larger drones but not smaller ones? It had +1 ANY drone controlled and that makes perfect sense. This perfect sense automatically applies to the current abstraction, "let's replace numbers with damage which is equal" absurd. it was changed to damage for rmr, beacuse of the lag drones caused, no clue here still. As first poster said before it was +1 drone wich mean +1 small or med or heavy drone. Now its +20% dmg wich is the same. So why did nobody find the domi overpowered before? And why nerf the domi when a raven can tank and kill it... OR a gankatron or a gankapoc or a gankageddon or... OMG our war have been hijack -eris What 0_o LMAO Nadec 4TW - Vanamonde Here start a new WAR => X - Wrangler
Nafri	Posted - 2006.03.27 11:58:00 - [37] Originally by: Nadec Ascand Originally by: Spartan239 Originally by: Rorho Dimaxi Domi drone damage/hp bonus = ABSTRACTION for Domi +1 drone controlled bonus!! Did Domi have "+1 heavy drone controlled" bonus? no, that would make NO sense at all, why would it be able to control more larger drones but not smaller ones? It had +1 ANY drone controlled and that makes perfect sense. This perfect sense automatically applies to the current abstraction, "let's replace numbers with damage which is equal" absurd. it was changed to damage for rmr, beacuse of the lag drones caused, no clue here still. As first poster said before it was +1 drone wich mean +1 small or med or heavy drone. Now its +20% dmg wich is the same. So why did nobody find the domi overpowered before? And why nerf the domi when a raven can tank and kill it... OR a gankatron or a gankapoc or a gankageddon or... because thy also boosted drone damage by 50% to 10%, depending on size?
Dark Eulogy	Posted - 2006.03.27 12:01:00 - [38] I think that the Dominix should get nerfed cus its french.
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.03.27 12:05:00 - [39] Its pointless, really. Frigate attacks domi = nossed to hell, webbed and scrammed, T2 light drones out, dead. This will simply take a few seconds longer without the damage bonus being applied to light drones. For anyone with decent drone skills it will hardly make any difference. The Domi eats AF swarms for breakfast and long will it continue to do so. ------------------ The ISS Navy is recruiting. See this thread for further details. www.eve-iss.com
Kery Nysell	Posted - 2006.03.27 12:08:00 - [40] Originally by: Nafri because thy also boosted drone damage by 50% to 10%, depending on size? Wasn't that damage boost put in place because they also halved the number of drones we can have in space ? Before all those changes, a Domi could field 15 drones ... now it's limited to 5 drones, like every other ship (dronebay permitting) ... If the Domi wasn't overpowered before, I fail to see how it could be now. I see more "Raven is too nber, nerf Raven" threads than "Domi is teh pwnmobile, nerf Domi" threads ... if that could be an indication of balance, of course, since most people think in terms of personnal gain, and not in terms of 25.000 players in the same game (me too, btw, I'm not a game developer).
Amarr knight	Posted - 2006.03.27 12:17:00 - [41] With the bonus of drone interfacing skill domi's 5 drones get the damage of 15 drones. Before the recent drone changes domi didnt have t2 drones, skills like 'drone specialisation','combat drone operation', 'drone durability' etc. With these changes + domi bonus does make it quite overpowered vs smaller target.
Nadec Ascand	Posted - 2006.03.27 12:21:00 - [42] Originally by: Amarr knight With the bonus of drone interfacing skill domi's 5 drones get the damage of 15 drones. Before the recent drone changes domi didnt have t2 drones, skills like 'drone specialisation','combat drone operation', 'drone durability' etc. With these changes + domi bonus does make it quite overpowered vs smaller target. Righ should nerf all T2 get back to all T1 and no named or faction modul! its unfair nerf! Be serious u can get T2 weapon T2 ammo and T2 missiles but OMG dominix got T2 Drones (wich any ship can get also) NERFT IT! OMG our war have been hijack -eris What 0_o LMAO Nadec 4TW - Vanamonde Here start a new WAR => X - Wrangler
Zemeckis R	Posted - 2006.03.27 12:23:00 - [43] Originally by: Nadec Ascand no clue here still. As first poster said before it was +1 drone wich mean +1 small or med or heavy drone. Now its +20% dmg wich is the same. So why did nobody find the domi overpowered before? And why nerf the domi when a raven can tank and kill it... OR a gankatron or a gankapoc or a gankageddon or... quote ftw
Fi T'Zeh	Posted - 2006.03.27 12:23:00 - [44] Originally by: Amarr knight With the bonus of drone interfacing skill domi's 5 drones get the damage of 15 drones. Before the recent drone changes domi didnt have t2 drones, skills like 'drone specialisation','combat drone operation', 'drone durability' etc. With these changes + domi bonus does make it quite overpowered vs smaller target. Utter crap. The thing that makes the domi strong against small targets is NOS. and ECM. IT has NOTHING AT ALL to do with it getting a damage bonus to other drone sizes. .... Real men use blasters
Mang0o	Posted - 2006.03.27 12:31:00 - [45] dominix suck get over it.. ive killed so many.. jamming ****s!! I love you Mang0o, take a guess why -Eris
Laythun	Posted - 2006.03.27 12:34:00 - [46] Originally by: Mang0o dominix suck get over it.. ive killed so many.. jamming ****s!! you suck noob! --------------------------------------------- If im flaming or not contributing im sorry, but im trying to get into th [23]
Amarr knight	Posted - 2006.03.27 13:17:00 - [47] Originally by: Fi T'Zeh Originally by: Amarr knight With the bonus of drone interfacing skill domi's 5 drones get the damage of 15 drones. Before the recent drone changes domi didnt have t2 drones, skills like 'drone specialisation','combat drone operation', 'drone durability' etc. With these changes + domi bonus does make it quite overpowered vs smaller target. Utter crap. The thing that makes the domi strong against small targets is NOS. and ECM. IT has NOTHING AT ALL to do with it getting a damage bonus to other drone sizes. Every battleship can nos frig. But domi can deal damage to them efficiently too. SO you think domi shouldnt have its bonus changed?
Nadec Ascand	Posted - 2006.03.27 13:21:00 - [48] Originally by: Amarr knight Originally by: Fi T'Zeh Originally by: Amarr knight With the bonus of drone interfacing skill domi's 5 drones get the damage of 15 drones. Before the recent drone changes domi didnt have t2 drones, skills like 'drone specialisation','combat drone operation', 'drone durability' etc. With these changes + domi bonus does make it quite overpowered vs smaller target. atm ANY bs can nos any frig and send to it 10 small drones (5 with drones interfacing 10) Utter crap. The thing that makes the domi strong against small targets is NOS. and ECM. IT has NOTHING AT ALL to do with it getting a damage bonus to other drone sizes. Every battleship can nos frig. But domi can deal damage to them efficiently too. SO you think domi shouldnt have its bonus changed? OMG our war have been hijack -eris What 0_o LMAO Nadec 4TW - Vanamonde Here start a new WAR => X - Wrangler
Kery Nysell	Posted - 2006.03.27 13:24:00 - [49] Originally by: Amarr knight Every battleship can nos frig. But domi can deal damage to them efficiently too. SO you think domi shouldnt have its bonus changed? I may be stupid, but on my Raven I use Light Drones to kill the frigates in my missions ... just like a Dominix ... I would say that every battleship can NOS and damage frigs ... Yes, the Domi will kill those a bit quicker, so what ? It's a droneship after all is said and done ...
Renox	Posted - 2006.03.27 13:34:00 - [50] Drones is a very unreliable and inconvinient primary weapon. You can easily lose them to a number of reasons. No, it isn't drones that's the problem, it's the combination of ECM and nos as this can disable everything on the target ship, from reps to guns. Before the EW changes the domi wasn't as lethal (it was actually a surefire way to get a fight because no one took the domi for anything) a weapon, but now that 1 mod can jam a ship, it's deadly. In short, it's not the drones, it's nos and mainly ECM. Long time domi pilot TheJay > grrr slow stupid garlic eating surrender monkeys
Nafri	Posted - 2006.03.27 13:47:00 - [51] Originally by: Kery Nysell Originally by: Nafri because thy also boosted drone damage by 50% to 10%, depending on size? Wasn't that damage boost put in place because they also halved the number of drones we can have in space ? Before all those changes, a Domi could field 15 drones ... now it's limited to 5 drones, like every other ship (dronebay permitting) ... If the Domi wasn't overpowered before, I fail to see how it could be now. I see more "Raven is too nber, nerf Raven" threads than "Domi is teh pwnmobile, nerf Domi" threads ... if that could be an indication of balance, of course, since most people think in terms of personnal gain, and not in terms of 25.000 players in the same game (me too, btw, I'm not a game developer). No, only the drone interface skill got changed, from +1 drone, to +20% drone damage
Felxia	Posted - 2006.03.27 14:27:00 - [52] Originally by: Zemeckis R Originally by: Galactic Magi Every battleship in game has damage bonuses to it biggest weapons. Considering that shouldnt dominix drone bonuses only apply to heavy and sentry drones? RAVEN Special Ability: 5% bonus to Cruise and Siege Launcher Rate Of Fire and 10% bonus to Cruise Missile and Torpedo Velocity per level. so... shut up exatcly so stfu
Horg	Posted - 2006.03.27 14:34:00 - [53] Hey, while you're at it you could make the ishtar bonus for med drones only...
Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol	Posted - 2006.03.27 14:50:00 - [54] Domi needs to lose a mid slot Dr THC ---------------------------------------------
Renox	Posted - 2006.03.27 15:04:00 - [55] Originally by: Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol Domi needs to lose a mid slot That would certainly make is less useful, bordering useless. Losing a mid slot would have to mean an increase in low or hi slots. An increase in hi slot would take it a bit further from the drone ship (if it was a weapon mount) and a low slot... well, 1 low for 1 med is a VERY bad tradeoff. TheJay > grrr slow stupid garlic eating surrender monkeys
Nafri	Posted - 2006.03.27 15:05:00 - [56] Originally by: Horg Hey, while you're at it you could make the ishtar bonus for med drones only... yep, thats also in line tbh
rig0r	Posted - 2006.03.27 15:11:00 - [57] Originally by: Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol Domi needs to lose a mid slot No, it does not. Like someone said it's ECM that makes the domi strong. With the upcoming ECM nerf that will soon be over.
Etto Neppeo	Posted - 2006.03.27 17:17:00 - [58] Yes please gimme another low slot - I always wanted to try 8 slot tanking... Don't want to train arma for that.
Kery Nysell	Posted - 2006.03.27 17:22:00 - [59] Originally by: rig0r Originally by: Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol Domi needs to lose a mid slot No, it does not. Like someone said it's ECM that makes the domi strong. With the upcoming ECM nerf that will soon be over. Huh ? ECM nerf ? Where did you see that ?
Mnengli Noiliffe	Posted - 2006.03.27 17:33:00 - [60] Originally by: Laythun quite right so Dimaxi's arguement oesnt apply. It was changed because of the lag, not because +1 drone was overpowered. So it does apply. P.S. I will repeat again - the only thing that makes drones overpowered comparing to pre-RMR situation is that drones received bonus to HP to compensate for the fact that it is easier to kill 5 drones than 10. Pre-RMR, all 10 drones could be killed with a couple of Smartbomb pulses, now they can't. As the solution to this imbalance, I suggest to replace all drone HP bonuses with drone signature radius reduction bonus. So drones will be harder to lock and kill with the guns, however smartbomb will do a quick job of them, which is exactly like it was pre-RMR.

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