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Galactic Magi
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Posted - 2006.03.27 08:23:00 -
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Every battleship in game has damage bonuses to it biggest weapons.
Considering that shouldnt dominix drone bonuses only apply to heavy and sentry drones?
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.03.27 08:26:00 -
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The man makes a good point.
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Nafri
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Posted - 2006.03.27 08:29:00 -
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ohh noes, Dominix could not be the pwn against frigs anymore!
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Laythun
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Posted - 2006.03.27 08:50:00 -
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 Originally by: Galactic Magi
Every battleship in game has damage bonuses to it biggest weapons.
Considering that shouldnt dominix drone bonuses only apply to heavy and sentry drones?
good point
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Kel Shek
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Posted - 2006.03.27 08:56:00 -
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Originally by: Testy Mctest
The man makes a good point.
not really.
at least I don't think so. if it was a more sizable bonus
for only heavys and sentry drones... that'd just make it so omnidirectional tracking links, and webbers were a must, rather than a "useful if you can spare the slot" and make drone choices alot easier...
and by "more sizable" I mean like, 15-20% per level bonus. or maybe 10% damage/hp, and 20% tracking/flight speed.
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Nadec Ascand
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Posted - 2006.03.27 08:56:00 -
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another frig toasted by a dominix...
well good point is now you wont try to kill anymore a dominix in ur inty.
so at least u learn something ^^
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MissileRus
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Posted - 2006.03.27 08:58:00 -
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Edited by: MissileRus on 27/03/2006 08:59:09
everyone says battleships should not be solopwnmobiles, the domi is exactly that 
oh so yea i agree with op, atleast some nerf is required 
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.03.27 09:03:00 -
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Originally by: MissileRus
Edited by: MissileRus on 27/03/2006 08:59:09
everyone says battleships should not be solopwnmobiles, the domi is exactly that
oh so yea i agree with op, atleast some nerf is required
Really, yes. I don't know why this hasn't been suggested before. Or why I haven't thought about it.
Why do ships with Drone bonuses get their bonuses to all sizes of drones?
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Mad'Mike Banks
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Posted - 2006.03.27 09:14:00 -
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Apocs dont, neither do scorps or typhoons so..... no the domi doesnt need its one of the highest damage ships out there
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Meiron
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Posted - 2006.03.27 09:18:00 -
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Why do Ravens get a straight RoF bonus instead of a Kinetic damage bonus to Siege/Cruise Launchers? Is it so inconceivable that certain ships were designed with flexibility in mind?
It makes perfect sense that the Dominix gets a 5% large hybrid bonus and 10% drone damage bonus, since drones are by design a flexible weapon. After all, one of the key purposes of drones is to offer defense against smaller targets your main guns cannot hit. Changing drones is like changing ammo types for different situations.
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Amarr knight
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Posted - 2006.03.27 09:25:00 -
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Originally by: Meiron
Why do Ravens get a straight RoF bonus instead of a Kinetic damage bonus to Siege/Cruise Launchers? Is it so inconceivable that certain ships were designed with flexibility in mind?
It makes perfect sense that the Dominix gets a 5% large hybrid bonus and 10% drone damage bonus, since drones are by design a flexible weapon. After all, one of the key purposes of drones is to offer defense against smaller targets your main guns cannot hit. Changing drones is like changing ammo types for different situations.
Raven used to have a straight ROF bonus. Which was changed to Siege and cruise missile Rof bonus a long time ago.
Recently a lot of "domi overpowered" thread popping up. One of the main reason is that as most battleships use drones as their frig defence, domi actually gets to use their bonus on both small and med drones.
Changing its bonus to heavy and sentry drone only makes sense.
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Gaden Amoel
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Posted - 2006.03.27 09:31:00 -
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Originally by: Galactic Magi
Every battleship in game has damage bonuses to it biggest weapons.
Considering that shouldnt dominix drone bonuses only apply to heavy and sentry drones?
Every Battleship?`
Like Apokalypse? Like Scorpion? Maybe like Raven?
Apokalyspe - 5 % cap 10 % large energy turret cap
Scorpion - ECM bonuses
Raven - ROF + Range Bonus
leave the Dominix like it is. It¦s a fine but ugly ship.
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Amarr knight
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Posted - 2006.03.27 09:42:00 -
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Edited by: Amarr knight on 27/03/2006 09:44:10
Originally by: Gaden Amoel
Originally by: Galactic Magi
Every battleship in game has damage bonuses to it biggest weapons.
Considering that shouldnt dominix drone bonuses only apply to heavy and sentry drones?
Every Battleship?`
Like Apokalypse? Like Scorpion? Maybe like Raven?
Apokalyspe - 5 % cap 10 % large energy turret cap
Scorpion - ECM bonuses
Raven - ROF + Range Bonus
leave the Dominix like it is. It¦s a fine but ugly ship.
Apoc: 5% cap is not a weapon bonus, "10% large energy turret capacitor use" DOES apply to its largest weapon.
Scorp: There is no small, med or heavy ecm module. There is only 1 size.
Raven: Its bonuses DO apply to its largest weapons.
I fail to see your point.
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Meiron
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Posted - 2006.03.27 09:44:00 -
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Originally by: Amarr knight
Raven used to have a straight ROF bonus. Which was changed to Siege and cruise missile Rof bonus a long time ago. And changing domi bonus doesnt stop domi from carring and using small/med drones.
Recently a lot of "domi overpowered" thread popping up. One of the main reason is that as most battleships use drones as their frig defence, domi actually gets to use their bonus on both small and med drones.
Changing its bonus to heavy and sentry drone only makes sense.
Oh, I think you misunderstood me, I meant a straight RoF bonus to Siege/Cruise launchers, instead of a Kinetic damage bonus like most Caldari ships. The reason is because as a specialized missile ship, the developers want you to take FULL advantage of one of the key strengths of missiles, the flexibility to switch damage types.
One of the key strengths of drones is the flexibility of being able to use heavies, mediums, and lights for different sized targets, OR being able to use one sized drone but carry replacements or different damage types. In exchange drones take even longer than missiles to get on target, are expensive, can be destroyed, are left behind when you retreat, and have crappy AI. It makes no sense to cripple one of the main points of drones for the one dedicated battleship drone carrier in the game.
Dominixes get the worst powergrid of any battleship by FAR, it can barely defend itself without drones, so it needs the drone damage bonus on heavies/sentries too.
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Samirol
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Posted - 2006.03.27 09:49:00 -
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Originally by: MissileRus
Edited by: MissileRus on 27/03/2006 08:59:09
everyone says battleships should not be solopwnmobiles, the domi is exactly that
oh so yea i agree with op, atleast some nerf is required
Dominix has no missile slots, and relatively low pg/cpu. It CAN own up close 1v1, but that is like saying nerf the tempest because it owns long range vs cruisers.
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Slink Grinsdikild
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Posted - 2006.03.27 09:51:00 -
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Originally by: Galactic Magi
Every battleship in game has damage bonuses to it biggest weapons.
Considering that shouldnt dominix drone bonuses only apply to heavy and sentry drones?
I agree, the Dominix is currently near impossible to tackle or pin down. Dom pilots bang on about "staying outside Nos range" as the key to killing a Dominix. But then nothing will stop the Dominix from warping off, since you can't scramble them at these ranges.
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Galactic Magi
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Posted - 2006.03.27 09:53:00 -
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Originally by: Samirol
Originally by: MissileRus
Edited by: MissileRus on 27/03/2006 08:59:09
everyone says battleships should not be solopwnmobiles, the domi is exactly that
oh so yea i agree with op, atleast some nerf is required
Dominix has no missile slots, and relatively low pg/cpu. It CAN own up close 1v1, but that is like saying nerf the tempest because it owns long range vs cruisers.
Having bonuses only to heavy and sentry drones doesnt change its effectiveness vs Battleships. Only makes it less effective vs smaller targets. Just like every other Battleship.
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wierchas noobhunter
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Posted - 2006.03.27 09:55:00 -
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Originally by: Testy Mctest
Originally by: MissileRus
Edited by: MissileRus on 27/03/2006 08:59:09
everyone says battleships should not be solopwnmobiles, the domi is exactly that
oh so yea i agree with op, atleast some nerf is required
Really, yes. I don't know why this hasn't been suggested before. Or why I haven't thought about it.
Why do ships with Drone bonuses get their bonuses to all sizes of drones?
i dont see big diference
just that after this domi will need web to kill frigies
nos 4tw
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2006.03.27 09:59:00 -
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Originally by: MissileRus
Edited by: MissileRus on 27/03/2006 08:59:09
everyone says battleships should not be solopwnmobiles, the domi is exactly that
oh so yea i agree with op, atleast some nerf is required
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How about you took a look at what makes the dominix that.. ECM exactly, without ecm, its not really a problem.
a domi with 3 t2 multispecs, scrambler, ab + nosfs + t2 heavy drones, is a very nice solo ship, but its not the dominix, drones, nosfs or anything else than ECM that makes it what it is.
imho.
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Slickster
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Posted - 2006.03.27 10:22:00 -
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Here we go again yet another nerf this thread
Why not leave the game design to ccp its there brain child ?
O and why not ask for boost for the other tier 1 bs's everyone would be far happier than yet another nerf.
Nerf the nerf thread
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Boonaki
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Posted - 2006.03.27 10:39:00 -
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I think the point is this.
Way back guns owned frigates.
Not to long ago missiles owned frigates.
Right now drones and nos own frigates, but a dominix kills frigates faster then any other battleship (close range) because it's bonus isn't applied to only battleship sized weapons (sentries and heavies).
Why should the bonus apply to lights and med drones if those are frigate and cruise weapons.
Remember when they changed the ROF bonus on the raven to only include cruise/siege?
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Rodge
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Posted - 2006.03.27 10:41:00 -
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Originally by: Slickster
Why not leave the game design to ccp its there brain child ?
Because we, the players, twist the game design to find overpowered applications of CCP's designs. Then CCP makes a change (nerf) to bring the game design back into the way it was conceived to work.
Initially, I thought that this would be another silly "nerf" thread, but this one actually makes quite a bit of sense. Why should any BS get a bonus to small guns, which is effectively what light/medium drones are on a Dominix?
I'm in favour of this change!
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.03.27 10:50:00 -
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After cruise missile vs frig nerf, ok?
Originally by: Commander Nikolas
People like Lukec are the problem and they know it. Shin Ra's Raven has 4x WCS, Lukec's Dominix has 5x WCS & Ishtar has 2x WCS.
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Porro
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Posted - 2006.03.27 11:15:00 -
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This wont accomplish that much, web, nos, and tp will still make heavies work against frigates. Also where do medium drones stand? As they're too slow to actually catch a frigate with a microwarp drive, and you would use heavies against a cruiser?
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jamesw
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Posted - 2006.03.27 11:17:00 -
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Domi is not overpowered.
... other ships are just underpowered 
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2006.03.27 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: Slickster
Here we go again yet another nerf this thread
Why not leave the game design to ccp its there brain child ?
O and why not ask for boost for the other tier 1 bs's everyone would be far happier than yet another nerf.
Nerf the nerf thread
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Adorna
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Posted - 2006.03.27 11:21:00 -
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Seems to me comparing drones to missles and turrets is not accurate as the drone is not a ship module.
It is in a seperate class and should not be directly compared.
No one would really fit small turrets on a battleship so giving it a bonus would be kind of pointless. Same goes for light missles on a BS. Drones however are by their nature versatile and are useful across the board.
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dabster
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Posted - 2006.03.27 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Galactic Magi
Every battleship in game has damage bonuses to it biggest weapons.
Considering that shouldnt dominix drone bonuses only apply to heavy and sentry drones?
This is actually is awfully simple yet so logical point o_O
Same should/could apply to Vexor in that case.
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Posted - 2006.03.27 11:23:00 -
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Everyone goes on about the Domi being a solo "i win" button... I agree that the ship is powerful and is capable of standing on its own against most, but it's not unbeatable like the overly excited posters seem to suggest. I watched a BlastaT take down a Domi 1v1 in a very good eve-video by Battle Angels Inc. Granted it was a close fight, but the Domi by no means had an I win button...
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Zemeckis R
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Posted - 2006.03.27 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Galactic Magi
Every battleship in game has damage bonuses to it biggest weapons.
Considering that shouldnt dominix drone bonuses only apply to heavy and sentry drones?
RAVEN
Special Ability: 5% bonus to Cruise and Siege Launcher Rate Of Fire and 10% bonus to Cruise Missile and Torpedo Velocity per level.
so... shut up
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.03.27 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Rodge
Originally by: Slickster
Why not leave the game design to ccp its there brain child ?
Because we, the players, twist the game design to find overpowered applications of CCP's designs. Then CCP makes a change (nerf) to bring the game design back into the way it was conceived to work.
Initially, I thought that this would be another silly "nerf" thread, but this one actually makes quite a bit of sense. Why should any BS get a bonus to small guns, which is effectively what light/medium drones are on a Dominix?
I'm in favour of this change!
My thoughts exactly.
It makes a lot of sense.
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Galactic Magi
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Posted - 2006.03.27 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: Zemeckis R
Originally by: Galactic Magi
Every battleship in game has damage bonuses to it biggest weapons.
Considering that shouldnt dominix drone bonuses only apply to heavy and sentry drones?
RAVEN
Special Ability: 5% bonus to Cruise and Siege Launcher Rate Of Fire and 10% bonus to Cruise Missile and Torpedo Velocity per level.
so... shut up
What?
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Lorette
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Posted - 2006.03.27 11:50:00 -
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I dont see how this will make much differnce, heavies are fine at hitting anything but frigs and lights dont need the dmg bonus to hurt frigs bad  .
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Spartan239
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Posted - 2006.03.27 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Rorho Dimaxi
Domi drone damage/hp bonus = ABSTRACTION for Domi +1 drone controlled bonus!!
Did Domi have "+1 heavy drone controlled" bonus? no, that would make NO sense at all, why would it be able to control more larger drones but not smaller ones? It had +1 ANY drone controlled and that makes perfect sense. This perfect sense automatically applies to the current abstraction, "let's replace numbers with damage which is equal" absurd.
it was changed to damage for rmr, beacuse of the lag drones caused,
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Laythun
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Posted - 2006.03.27 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: Spartan239
Originally by: Rorho Dimaxi
Domi drone damage/hp bonus = ABSTRACTION for Domi +1 drone controlled bonus!!
Did Domi have "+1 heavy drone controlled" bonus? no, that would make NO sense at all, why would it be able to control more larger drones but not smaller ones? It had +1 ANY drone controlled and that makes perfect sense. This perfect sense automatically applies to the current abstraction, "let's replace numbers with damage which is equal" absurd.
it was changed to damage for rmr, beacuse of the lag drones caused,
quite right so Dimaxi's arguement oesnt apply.
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Nadec Ascand
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Posted - 2006.03.27 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: Spartan239
Originally by: Rorho Dimaxi
Domi drone damage/hp bonus = ABSTRACTION for Domi +1 drone controlled bonus!!
Did Domi have "+1 heavy drone controlled" bonus? no, that would make NO sense at all, why would it be able to control more larger drones but not smaller ones? It had +1 ANY drone controlled and that makes perfect sense. This perfect sense automatically applies to the current abstraction, "let's replace numbers with damage which is equal" absurd.
it was changed to damage for rmr, beacuse of the lag drones caused,
no clue here still.
As first poster said before it was +1 drone wich mean +1 small or med or heavy drone.
Now its +20% dmg wich is the same.
So why did nobody find the domi overpowered before?
And why nerf the domi when a raven can tank and kill it...
OR a gankatron or a gankapoc or a gankageddon or...
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Nafri
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Posted - 2006.03.27 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Nadec Ascand
Originally by: Spartan239
Originally by: Rorho Dimaxi
Domi drone damage/hp bonus = ABSTRACTION for Domi +1 drone controlled bonus!!
Did Domi have "+1 heavy drone controlled" bonus? no, that would make NO sense at all, why would it be able to control more larger drones but not smaller ones? It had +1 ANY drone controlled and that makes perfect sense. This perfect sense automatically applies to the current abstraction, "let's replace numbers with damage which is equal" absurd.
it was changed to damage for rmr, beacuse of the lag drones caused,
no clue here still.
As first poster said before it was +1 drone wich mean +1 small or med or heavy drone.
Now its +20% dmg wich is the same.
So why did nobody find the domi overpowered before?
And why nerf the domi when a raven can tank and kill it...
OR a gankatron or a gankapoc or a gankageddon or...
because thy also boosted drone damage by 50% to 10%, depending on size?
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Dark Eulogy
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Posted - 2006.03.27 12:01:00 -
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I think that the Dominix should get nerfed cus its french.
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.03.27 12:05:00 -
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Its pointless, really.
Frigate attacks domi = nossed to hell, webbed and scrammed, T2 light drones out, dead.
This will simply take a few seconds longer without the damage bonus being applied to light drones. For anyone with decent drone skills it will hardly make any difference.
The Domi eats AF swarms for breakfast and long will it continue to do so.
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Posted - 2006.03.27 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Nafri
because thy also boosted drone damage by 50% to 10%, depending on size?
Wasn't that damage boost put in place because they also halved the number of drones we can have in space ?
Before all those changes, a Domi could field 15 drones ... now it's limited to 5 drones, like every other ship (dronebay permitting) ...
If the Domi wasn't overpowered before, I fail to see how it could be now.
I see more "Raven is too nber, nerf Raven" threads than "Domi is teh pwnmobile, nerf Domi" threads ... if that could be an indication of balance, of course, since most people think in terms of personnal gain, and not in terms of 25.000 players in the same game (me too, btw, I'm not a game developer).
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Amarr knight
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Posted - 2006.03.27 12:17:00 -
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With the bonus of drone interfacing skill domi's 5 drones get the damage of 15 drones.
Before the recent drone changes domi didnt have t2 drones, skills like 'drone specialisation','combat drone operation', 'drone durability' etc.
With these changes + domi bonus does make it quite overpowered vs smaller target.
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Nadec Ascand
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Posted - 2006.03.27 12:21:00 -
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Originally by: Amarr knight
With the bonus of drone interfacing skill domi's 5 drones get the damage of 15 drones.
Before the recent drone changes domi didnt have t2 drones, skills like 'drone specialisation','combat drone operation', 'drone durability' etc.
With these changes + domi bonus does make it quite overpowered vs smaller target.
Righ should nerf all T2 get back to all T1 and no named or faction modul! its unfair nerf!
Be serious u can get T2 weapon T2 ammo and T2 missiles but OMG dominix got T2 Drones (wich any ship can get also) NERFT IT!
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Zemeckis R
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Posted - 2006.03.27 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Nadec Ascand
no clue here still.
As first poster said before it was +1 drone wich mean +1 small or med or heavy drone.
Now its +20% dmg wich is the same.
So why did nobody find the domi overpowered before?
And why nerf the domi when a raven can tank and kill it...
OR a gankatron or a gankapoc or a gankageddon or...
quote ftw
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Fi T'Zeh
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Posted - 2006.03.27 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Amarr knight
With the bonus of drone interfacing skill domi's 5 drones get the damage of 15 drones.
Before the recent drone changes domi didnt have t2 drones, skills like 'drone specialisation','combat drone operation', 'drone durability' etc.
With these changes + domi bonus does make it quite overpowered vs smaller target.
Utter crap. The thing that makes the domi strong against small targets is NOS. and ECM. IT has NOTHING AT ALL to do with it getting a damage bonus to other drone sizes.
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Mang0o
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Posted - 2006.03.27 12:31:00 -
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dominix suck get over it.. ive killed so many.. jamming ****s!! 
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Laythun
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Posted - 2006.03.27 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: Mang0o
dominix suck get over it.. ive killed so many.. jamming ****s!!
you suck noob!
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Amarr knight
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Posted - 2006.03.27 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: Fi T'Zeh
Originally by: Amarr knight
With the bonus of drone interfacing skill domi's 5 drones get the damage of 15 drones.
Before the recent drone changes domi didnt have t2 drones, skills like 'drone specialisation','combat drone operation', 'drone durability' etc.
With these changes + domi bonus does make it quite overpowered vs smaller target.
Utter crap. The thing that makes the domi strong against small targets is NOS. and ECM. IT has NOTHING AT ALL to do with it getting a damage bonus to other drone sizes.
Every battleship can nos frig. But domi can deal damage to them efficiently too.
SO you think domi shouldnt have its bonus changed?
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Nadec Ascand
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Posted - 2006.03.27 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Amarr knight
Originally by: Fi T'Zeh
Originally by: Amarr knight
With the bonus of drone interfacing skill domi's 5 drones get the damage of 15 drones.
Before the recent drone changes domi didnt have t2 drones, skills like 'drone specialisation','combat drone operation', 'drone durability' etc.
With these changes + domi bonus does make it quite overpowered vs smaller target.
atm ANY bs can nos any frig and send to it 10 small drones (5 with drones interfacing 10)
Utter crap. The thing that makes the domi strong against small targets is NOS. and ECM. IT has NOTHING AT ALL to do with it getting a damage bonus to other drone sizes.
Every battleship can nos frig. But domi can deal damage to them efficiently too.
SO you think domi shouldnt have its bonus changed?
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Kery Nysell
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Posted - 2006.03.27 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: Amarr knight
Every battleship can nos frig. But domi can deal damage to them efficiently too.
SO you think domi shouldnt have its bonus changed?
I may be stupid, but on my Raven I use Light Drones to kill the frigates in my missions ... just like a Dominix ... I would say that every battleship can NOS and damage frigs ...
Yes, the Domi will kill those a bit quicker, so what ? It's a droneship after all is said and done ...
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Renox
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Posted - 2006.03.27 13:34:00 -
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Drones is a very unreliable and inconvinient primary weapon. You can easily lose them to a number of reasons. No, it isn't drones that's the problem, it's the combination of ECM and nos as this can disable everything on the target ship, from reps to guns. Before the EW changes the domi wasn't as lethal (it was actually a surefire way to get a fight because no one took the domi for anything) a weapon, but now that 1 mod can jam a ship, it's deadly.
In short, it's not the drones, it's nos and mainly ECM.
Long time domi pilot
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Nafri
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Posted - 2006.03.27 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Kery Nysell
Originally by: Nafri
because thy also boosted drone damage by 50% to 10%, depending on size?
Wasn't that damage boost put in place because they also halved the number of drones we can have in space ?
Before all those changes, a Domi could field 15 drones ... now it's limited to 5 drones, like every other ship (dronebay permitting) ...
If the Domi wasn't overpowered before, I fail to see how it could be now.
I see more "Raven is too nber, nerf Raven" threads than "Domi is teh pwnmobile, nerf Domi" threads ... if that could be an indication of balance, of course, since most people think in terms of personnal gain, and not in terms of 25.000 players in the same game (me too, btw, I'm not a game developer).
No, only the drone interface skill got changed, from +1 drone, to +20% drone damage
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Felxia
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Posted - 2006.03.27 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: Zemeckis R
Originally by: Galactic Magi
Every battleship in game has damage bonuses to it biggest weapons.
Considering that shouldnt dominix drone bonuses only apply to heavy and sentry drones?
RAVEN
Special Ability: 5% bonus to Cruise and Siege Launcher Rate Of Fire and 10% bonus to Cruise Missile and Torpedo Velocity per level.
so... shut up
exatcly so stfu
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Horg
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Posted - 2006.03.27 14:34:00 -
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Hey, while you're at it you could make the ishtar bonus for med drones only...
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Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol
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Posted - 2006.03.27 14:50:00 -
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Domi needs to lose a mid slot
Dr THC
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Renox
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Posted - 2006.03.27 15:04:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol
Domi needs to lose a mid slot
That would certainly make is less useful, bordering useless.
Losing a mid slot would have to mean an increase in low or hi slots. An increase in hi slot would take it a bit further from the drone ship (if it was a weapon mount) and a low slot... well, 1 low for 1 med is a VERY bad tradeoff.
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Nafri
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Posted - 2006.03.27 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: Horg
Hey, while you're at it you could make the ishtar bonus for med drones only...
yep, thats also in line tbh
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rig0r
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Posted - 2006.03.27 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol
Domi needs to lose a mid slot
No, it does not.
Like someone said it's ECM that makes the domi strong. With the upcoming ECM nerf that will soon be over.
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Etto Neppeo
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Posted - 2006.03.27 17:17:00 -
[58]
Yes please gimme another low slot - I always wanted to try 8 slot tanking... Don't want to train arma for that.
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Kery Nysell
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Posted - 2006.03.27 17:22:00 -
[59]
Originally by: rig0r
Originally by: Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol
Domi needs to lose a mid slot
No, it does not.
Like someone said it's ECM that makes the domi strong. With the upcoming ECM nerf that will soon be over.
Huh ? ECM nerf ? Where did you see that ?
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Mnengli Noiliffe
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Posted - 2006.03.27 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Laythun
quite right so Dimaxi's arguement oesnt apply.
It was changed because of the lag, not because +1 drone was overpowered. So it does apply.
P.S. I will repeat again - the only thing that makes drones overpowered comparing to pre-RMR situation is that drones received bonus to HP to compensate for the fact that it is easier to kill 5 drones than 10. Pre-RMR, all 10 drones could be killed with a couple of Smartbomb pulses, now they can't.
As the solution to this imbalance, I suggest to replace all drone HP bonuses with drone signature radius reduction bonus. So drones will be harder to lock and kill with the guns, however smartbomb will do a quick job of them, which is exactly like it was pre-RMR.
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.03.27 18:18:00 -
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Edited by: KilROCK on 27/03/2006 18:19:35
You people are ridiculous.
It won't change anything to give the dominix a bonus to heavy drones only. a Webbed, Nossed, scrambled frigate will still get RAPED by a horde of light drones, with or without the bonus to affect their damage.
The dominix is a 'drone' ship, therefor the bonus affects all of the sizes.
Just don't be an idiot and notice you can do the same with a Vexor, An Ishtar. OHHH! Look The ISHTAR is a cruiser, let's nerf the bonus to only give damage, hitpoints to medium drones.
Seriously. You're all a bunch of clueless whiners..
An AC tempest, with 2 Heavy nos. Web. + 5 med II + 5 light drones is indeed able to do the freaking same thing a dominix does in terms of Frigate munching. Same as any other battleships with the modules stated above.
Originally by: KilROCK
My sig are under or 24kb, Each of them. SO PAWS OFF, that's the 3rd time, seriously annoyed now.
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Naughty Boy
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Posted - 2006.03.27 18:26:00 -
[62]
Originally by: KilROCK
The dominix is a 'drone' ship, therefor the bonus affects all of the sizes.
You know, you can come up with any rational or irrational reason you want, but that precise reason won't really cut it. The apoc is a 'turret' ship, hence the bonus affects all of the sizes. The raven is a 'missile' ship, hence the bonus... wait. That doesn't quite work.
The only real question is whether the dominix pays a price high enough for its superior ability to deal with smaller ships through its drones, or not. It doesn't matter what used to exist before the drone changes, whether someone got killed in a small ship by a dominix, whether I or anyone fly the damn ship, of if the arbitrator gets a bonus for light drones and such.
Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy.
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.03.27 18:29:00 -
[63]
You'll still die and live to whine another day about it, with nerf or not.
And oh, Anyone ever had the brilliant idea to POP the drones?
Originally by: KilROCK
My sig are under or 24kb, Each of them. SO PAWS OFF, that's the 3rd time, seriously annoyed now.
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Naughty Boy
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Posted - 2006.03.27 18:31:00 -
[64]
Originally by: KilROCK
You'll still die and live to whine another day about it, with nerf or not.
And if so, how does it matter to you if the bonus is changed or not, as it won't change anything ?
Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy.
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2006.03.27 18:33:00 -
[65]
Edited by: LWMaverick on 27/03/2006 18:33:39
Originally by: Kery Nysell
Originally by: rig0r
Originally by: Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol
Domi needs to lose a mid slot
No, it does not.
Like someone said it's ECM that makes the domi strong. With the upcoming ECM nerf that will soon be over.
Huh ? ECM nerf ? Where did you see that ?
Maybe in the sticky called "EW" here on the ship and modules forum?
Just a wild guess.
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.03.27 18:35:00 -
[66]
Edited by: KilROCK on 27/03/2006 18:35:59
Originally by: Naughty Boy
Originally by: KilROCK
You'll still die and live to whine another day about it, with nerf or not.
And if so, how does it matter to you if the bonus is changed or not, as it won't change anything ?
Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy.
I'll still be able to kill frigates easily if they nerf it, so why change it? Raven got nerfed, t2 cruise gave it back all it had before, so why did they change it? Oh yea, i know. To make it require more skills to be even better.
If any dumb frigate pilot is stupid enough to attack a dominix and not kill the drones, well topics like this are made.
And oh, Why am i the only one who fits 12 heavy, 5 med, and 5 light. I'll go far getting swarmed by a frigate fleet when they pop my only volley of light drones.
Originally by: KilROCK
My sig are under or 24kb, Each of them. SO PAWS OFF, that's the 3rd time, seriously annoyed now.
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Naughty Boy
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Posted - 2006.03.27 18:48:00 -
[67]
Originally by: KilROCK
I'll still be able to kill frigates easily if they nerf it, so why change it?
For the only reason to nerf it, if the dominix gets an advantage when dealing with smaller targets that it doesn't pay in a way or another through weaknesses other battleships less effective at killing small ships do not have to suffer. It's up to one side to prove that the dominix pays for it, and to the other side to prove that it doesn't pay for it. And I didn't even say what I think about it...
Originally by: KilROCK
Raven got nerfed, t2 cruise gave it back all it had before, so why did they change it? Oh yea, i know. To make it require more skills to be even better.
A bonus to heavy drones only would still make it better when skills are trained. Also, i don't think that using the raven and the broken t2 missiles to justify something goes very far...
Originally by: KilROCK
If any dumb frigate pilot is stupid enough to attack a dominix and not kill the drones, well topics like this are made.
The properties of the system are not determined by the actual actions of the players, but by all and every action that hypothetical players could have done. As such, it doesn't matter if someone is stupid or not, but only if the dominix gets an unfair advantage over other comparable ships that it doesn't pay for through a weakness that other comparable ships do not have.
Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy.
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.03.27 18:53:00 -
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I don't think there's a need to continue arguing with you naughty... Clearly you're set on getting the ship nerfed.
Originally by: KilROCK
My sig are under or 24kb, Each of them. SO PAWS OFF, that's the 3rd time, seriously annoyed now.
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Kery Nysell
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Posted - 2006.03.27 19:11:00 -
[69]
Originally by: LWMaverick
Edited by: LWMaverick on 27/03/2006 18:33:39
Originally by: Kery Nysell
Originally by: rig0r
Originally by: Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol
Domi needs to lose a mid slot
No, it does not.
Like someone said it's ECM that makes the domi strong. With the upcoming ECM nerf that will soon be over.
Huh ? ECM nerf ? Where did you see that ?
Maybe in the sticky called "EW" here on the ship and modules forum?
Just a wild guess.
/me slaps herself
D'oh 
I must remember to check the stickies ...
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2006.03.27 19:17:00 -
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The Dominix pay plenty enough in drawbacks since it cannot be setup to perform well outside 40km at all, which all other battleships can - even the current Typhoon. It's essentially a matter of specialization reward. The Dominix is paradoxially both the most varied and the most specilized (in applicatio) battleship in the game, and balance doesn't state that all things should be... balanced (or worse) in all situations, it states that the total sum of abilities and applications should be somewhat balanced.
That the Dominix overperforms in an electronic warfare, drone and energy vampire setup is unfortunate, but is a consequence of electronic warfare being balanced for electronic warfare supremacy for electronic warfare ships with a meagre bonus of +5% efficiency.
Or to simplify it, the Dominix currently pwns because non-EW (dedicated) ships can use EWar too effectively
KilROCK, your sig is 23.84 KB (24411 bytes) from properties, it's the number inside the paranthesis you need to look at ;)
Originally by: KilROCK
Originally by: Arkanor
Gallente missileboat might be cool.
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Troubadour
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Posted - 2006.03.27 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Nafri
ohh noes, Dominix could not be the pwn against frigs anymore!
ohnoes! my heavy nos and webbers can't make my heavys hit this frig!
oh wait nvm.
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Troubadour
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Posted - 2006.03.27 19:29:00 -
[72]
Edited by: Troubadour on 27/03/2006 19:31:40
Edited by: Troubadour on 27/03/2006 19:30:17
i think you should look at the bonuses on all the other drone ships before suggesting that.
Arbitrator:
10% bonus to drone hitpoints, damage and mining yield per skill level.
Vexor:
10% bonus to drone hitpoints, damage and mining yield per skill level.
Ishtar:
10% bonus to drone hitpoints and damage per skill level.
Curse:
10% bonus to drone hit points and damage per level.
Pilgrim:
10% bonus to drone hit points and damage per level.
Dominix:
10% bonus to drone hitpoints and damage per skill level.
I left out the Ishkur and Eos as they lack a drone damage bonus, it has a bay size increase instead.
I see no "specialization" for only giving dmg bonuses to certain drone types or sizes on other drone carriers, why put it on the domi? Guns =/= Drones.
Metinks that if you can fit it in the dronebay, it should get the bonus, and CCP think so too.
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.03.27 19:30:00 -
[73]
Edited by: KilROCK on 27/03/2006 19:30:31
Originally by: Ithildin
KilROCK, your sig is 23.84 KB (24411 bytes) from properties, it's the number inside the paranthesis you need to look at ;)
Pfft, Seriously for 441 bytes, i get my sig nerfed 3 times LOL. I hate ISD sig nerfing quotas.
@ Troubadour's post, yea
Originally by: KilROCK
My sig are under or 24kb, Each of them. SO PAWS OFF, that's the 3rd time, seriously annoyed now.
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Naughty Boy
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Posted - 2006.03.27 19:53:00 -
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Edited by: Naughty Boy on 27/03/2006 19:57:30
Originally by: Ithildin
The Dominix pay plenty enough in drawbacks since it cannot be setup to perform well outside 40km at all, which all other battleships can - even the current Typhoon. It's essentially a matter of specialization reward. [...]
I mostly agree with that, but there's still that dodgy issue of the specific set of circumstances you want to consider (and whether it's not wide enough or too wide). I think that it's not really fair to accept long range and short range in the same set of circumstances. It's not because with railguns the megathron is better than the dominix that it shouldn't be able to perform nearly as well at close range, with blasters, as a close range dominix. It's not like the megathron gets an advantage from its ability to fit a decent long range setup when fighting at close range with blasters...
So, in short, as much as i agree that specialization has to be rewarded, I am not convinced that the close range dominix specialise more than a blasterthron or AC tempest. Who cares about my convictions anyway... As far as my opinion goes, which isn't even as far as anyone could care, I'm not sure that the bonus has to change, but I think that there's definelty something wrong with some current dom setups.
Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy.
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MissileRus
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Posted - 2006.03.27 20:14:00 -
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Edited by: MissileRus on 27/03/2006 20:15:19
most of my encounters are closer then 40km or 80+, in close range the domi pwns everything, and LONG range is extremely easy to avoid or warp out from, the domi can even fit a great tank so i dont see why snipers are a problem at all unless its a group in witch case most other BSes would die anyway.
tempest cant be compared with domi -.- omg.. think a tempest can fit a tank at all when its ranged? it cant even have a good tank in close range, a domi can and a domi can use all high with nos(like most domis are fitted) a tempest cant, no other bs can, as they need weapons there lol. the domi cant be compared to other battleships, and it is a solopwnmobile. it can take everything, where other ships needs to refit and all kinds of stuff.
sure ew is a problem for domi as someone said, but all the nos is another one stacking penalty to nos would make atleast some ships able to get a domi in close range.
a good domi pilot can take everything on and it isnt skill, its imbalance. no ship should be able to do that, on las vegas event they said frigs shouldnt be able to scramble a bs alone, so their fixing some ew , no ship will be solopwn mobiles  and the domi "will" get some kind of fix, either throu the ew changes or other changes, because that ship can do to mutch alone that no other ships can.
dont look at it as a whine or cry for nerf, look at the facts and try using one the right way. frigs = pwned, bs = sucked and pwned, hacs etc = pwned, all ships except capital ships gets wtfpwned by a domi, that is realy extremely overpowered n imbalanced
imo domi has to many slots, the slots should be used by drone mods n stuff? but everyone fits noss, ew and a big tank, so they need to rethink the domi.
some kind of nerf is inevitable, or like someone said domi isnt overpowered, the other BSes needs a buff  thats still a nerf though so be prepared for one..
edit: bah hate english... no offence
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Naughty Boy
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Posted - 2006.03.27 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: MissileRus
a domi can use all high with nos(like most domis are fitted)
Domi's quite PG challenged though, an armor tanked dominix won't fit more than 4 heavy nos (with 2 rcu t2), more realistically only 3. Realistic setups with 6 heavy nos can't be armor tanked, so lose EW when fitting a shield tank.
Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy.
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MissileRus
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Posted - 2006.03.27 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: Naughty Boy
Originally by: MissileRus
a domi can use all high with nos(like most domis are fitted)
Domi's quite PG challenged though, an armor tanked dominix won't fit more than 4 heavy nos (with 2 rcu t2), more realistically only 3. Realistic setups with 6 heavy nos can't be armor tanked, so lose EW when fitting a shield tank.
Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy.
well 5 nos then, 4 if skills are low.
5 heavy nos, 1 named LAR, 3 hardeners, 3 energized nanos, remove a nano and fit 2 T2 med reps like some do. with max armor skills and T2 hardeners/energized nanos resists end up at 80-80-85-85. with T2 hardeners and 1 named LAR, should get about 291PG and 256CPU left for ew n stuff, dont see any fitting problems 1 LAR is enough while sucking life out of everything, and it can run aslong as you keep getting cap from suckage hehe..
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CivrGrrl19
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Posted - 2006.03.27 21:47:00 -
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So uhm... I can see that the 'big boys' are talking here, and I'm a noob and all, but uh... I sort of recently decided (somewhat grudgingly - you probably saw my 'help me decide' post ) that I should go with Gallente ships. But... if what you guys are saying is true (like the ECM nerf and a supposed incoming damage nerf), then will the Dominix just... suck now?
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fire 59
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Posted - 2006.03.27 22:05:00 -
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The domi is a good ship but it's sad to see some people want to nerf the nos which is a staple domi weapon, now they want to nerf it's drones. Siigghh, it saddens me when there are always tactics to overcome any opponent, it's certainly nt an i-win ship, with a little initiative and imagination, any ship can be fitted to counter any ship. Adapt or die, please, stop all this nerf nonsense, it makes baby jesus cry
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jamesw
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Posted - 2006.03.27 23:00:00 -
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Originally by: MissileRus
well 5 nos then, 4 if skills are low.
5 heavy nos, 2 T2 med reps, 3 hardeners, 2 energized nanos. with max armor skills and T2 hardeners/energized nanos resists end up at 77-76-83-83. with T2 hardeners and 2 T2 med reps, should get about 897PG and 302CPU left for ew n stuff, dont see any fitting problems 2 T2 med is enough while sucking life out of everything, and it can run aslong as you keep getting cap from suckage hehe..
yikes!
fitting only medium reps makes the baby jamesw cry!
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D'onryu Shoqui
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Posted - 2006.03.27 23:21:00 -
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just nerf the dominix so it can only use heavy drones and sentry drones until then some people will never be happy
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Beringe
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Posted - 2006.03.27 23:37:00 -
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/agree with OP
The Dominix is now the only ship that has a bonus to all sizes of its primary weapon.
Arguably, it could be said that the Scorpion doesn't get a bonus to all EW modules, since the split there is between ECM/dampeners/tracking disruptors, but since there are really no 'sizes' to those modules I don't think it is comparable.
And yes, the Raven gets a bonus to two types of launchers, but they are both BS sized. Just like Armas get bonuses to both pulses and beams, no?
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Kel Shek
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Posted - 2006.03.27 23:55:00 -
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Originally by: Beringe
/agree with OP
The Dominix is now the only ship that has a bonus to all sizes of its primary weapon.
Arguably, it could be said that the Scorpion doesn't get a bonus to all EW modules, since the split there is between ECM/dampeners/tracking disruptors, but since there are really no 'sizes' to those modules I don't think it is comparable.
And yes, the Raven gets a bonus to two types of launchers, but they are both BS sized. Just like Armas get bonuses to both pulses and beams, no?
but drones can, and DO get destroyed. one could compare this to ammo...
BUT! what if the enemy could forcibly make you run out of ammo?
can already only carry 3 flights of heavy/sentry drones.
add mediums and lights? could be compared to reducing your ammo capacity by at least a third.
honestly its not a problem.
and while the dominix is good even without EW, (I do missions, so I don't bother with EW)
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.03.27 23:58:00 -
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tbh I would rather all ships got bonuses to all sized weapons
Tempest: 5% to projectile turret rate of fire and damage per level
Megathron: 5% to hybrid turret damage and tracking speed per level
etc etc
Originally by: Tuxford
we look at them say "wow autocannons sure do suck,... oh well lets go boost amarr".
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Valea Silpha
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Posted - 2006.03.28 00:24:00 -
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The problem with the domi is that its benefitted from the drone changes quite considerably, the ew changes very considerably and as nos have stayed the same, the other changes have made it seem more uber.
Just because the domi isn't uber-perfect-i-pwn-joo-all-ship doesn't mean its fine as it is. Nothing should be able to jam, nos, tank and deal damage all in the same set-up.
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Xori Ruscuv
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Posted - 2006.03.28 00:54:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Valea Silpha
Just because the domi isn't uber-perfect-i-pwn-joo-all-ship doesn't mean its fine as it is. Nothing should be able to jam, nos, tank and deal damage all in the same set-up.
I bet $10: If the Dominix is nerfed and the Raven isn't, there will be riots! 
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Haniblecter Teg
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Posted - 2006.03.28 01:02:00 -
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There's how many drone ships in game? 3?
Do we really need to limit there scope any more?
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Xori Ruscuv
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Posted - 2006.03.28 01:08:00 -
[88]
Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 28/03/2006 01:09:20
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
There's how many drone ships in game? 3?
Vexor (Gal cruiser)
Dominix (Gal BS)
Ishkur (Gal AF)
Ishtar (Gal HAC)
Arbitrator (Amarr cruiser)
I'm not really farmiliar with ships outside of Amarr and Gallente, so... anyone else?
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.03.28 01:25:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Xori Ruscuv
Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 28/03/2006 01:09:20
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
There's how many drone ships in game? 3?
Vexor (Gal cruiser)
Dominix (Gal BS)
Ishkur (Gal AF)
Ishtar (Gal HAC)
Arbitrator (Amarr cruiser)
I'm not really farmiliar with ships outside of Amarr and Gallente, so... anyone else?
Uhm, Amarr Recons? Curse/pilgrim...
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Posted - 2006.03.28 01:27:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Xori Ruscuv
Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 28/03/2006 01:09:20
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
There's how many drone ships in game? 3?
Vexor (Gal cruiser)
Dominix (Gal BS)
Ishkur (Gal AF)
Ishtar (Gal HAC)
Arbitrator (Amarr cruiser)
I'm not really farmiliar with ships outside of Amarr and Gallente, so... anyone else?
]Its a rhetorical question.
What I was trying tos ay was, "Sure. Limit the drone ships to only one kind of drone and thereby handicap the drone content even further"
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Xori Ruscuv
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Posted - 2006.03.28 01:29:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Hllaxiu
Originally by: Xori Ruscuv
Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 28/03/2006 01:09:20
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
There's how many drone ships in game? 3?
Vexor (Gal cruiser)
Dominix (Gal BS)
Ishkur (Gal AF)
Ishtar (Gal HAC)
Arbitrator (Amarr cruiser)
I'm not really farmiliar with ships outside of Amarr and Gallente, so... anyone else?
Uhm, Amarr Recons? Curse/pilgrim...
Hehe... erm...
Guess I never think about Amarr recons...
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Xori Ruscuv
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Posted - 2006.03.28 01:30:00 -
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Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
What I was trying tos ay was, "Sure. Limit the drone ships to only one kind of drone and thereby handicap the drone content even further"
Yeah, it sounds like for the most part people just want the Domi to suck.
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Ravenge
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Posted - 2006.03.28 02:09:00 -
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Well, if we are whining.. i mean talking about the domi being overpowered and is wtfpwning frigs due to its drone bonus... can we please nerf the scorpion, as i got jammed by one once in my intie, i mean thats so overpowered as battleships shouldn't have any form of defence against frigs..
I mean, who would have thought a battleship should have the ability to stand up to a gang of frigates.
NERF all battleships... nerf them now... make it so that they can't hurt anything smaller then a battleship..
Now off the the nerfbat cave and lets find something else to moan about...
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Imhotep Khem
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Posted - 2006.03.28 03:36:00 -
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Well yes it makes sense for the domi to only get bonus to larger drones. It wont mean much since large drones use cruiser guns anyway.
Fundamentally, the problem is with drones.
First, one drone with double damage and HP is better than 2 drones without.
Next they added a sh!tload of new skills without the typical pre-nerf.
Then the added T2 drones 
And then they are addeding drone modules
Now drones are uber. Ergo, Dominix is uber.
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Posted - 2006.03.28 04:19:00 -
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The person(s) bringing up the Amarr recons bring to light a very interesting problem. The Amarr recons were specifically designed to do the very thing people are complaining the Domi manages to do, that Nos (something there recieve a bonus for) ECM since they have all those mids, tank, and get a bonus to drones for dealing with smaller and same sized targets.
So are we going to call for a change in those bonuses now? Or a nerf to thier slot setups? They are geared to let the Recons do exactly the same thing the domi can do now. Unless it's OKAY for elites to be "overpowered", then there's no issue I guess.
Please leave the Domi alone. It pays a heavy toll for it's abilities, that being range. The Domi is, and has always been, a close range pitbull for 1 vs 1 on battles ships or anti frig support. Be it NOS/Nuets, a rack of Smart bombs (evil laugh), or dual 250's/Blasters.
She simply doesn't have the grid to support long range damage set ups without seriously killing it's survivability and effectiveness and anyone who wants to contest the use of a couple links to extend drone range to needs to be slapped. The heavies should be long dead before arriving or at least targeted so the defending ships drones can devour them. The ship is good at it's intended role, is that soo shocking or unfair?
Does this mean all Tempests should be nerf so they can't snipe frigs regardless of conditions? If a ship happens to enter the range of either ship with thier optimal set up, that is not imbalance, that's effectiveness.
To those who want to remove a MID to nerf the domI, fine. Give it another low and 2500 grid. I would welcome that, but the bonuses should remain unchanged.
This push to give Frigs some needed place in combat has got to stop. All this complaining about how this ship or that is an "I-Win button" because it can kill frigs is idiotic. Frigs are supposed to die against a large ship, even a swarm of 30 frigs should expect to lose some. Should they win against a BS, certainly, but because of overwhelming numbers , not because the BS can't hit and kill a frig with any weapon. A lone frig or Even 2-3 frigs against a BS should be considered suicide, not an effective means of killing a battleship.
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Beringe
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Posted - 2006.03.28 06:37:00 -
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Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
There's how many drone ships in game? 3?
Do we really need to limit there scope any more?
And how many missile boats are there in game?
Originally by: Sarmaul
tbh I would rather all ships got bonuses to all sized weapons
Tempest: 5% to projectile turret rate of fire and damage per level
Megathron: 5% to hybrid turret damage and tracking speed per level
etc etc
That seems fair. Just as long as everyone gets the same treatment.
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Dark PIne
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Posted - 2006.03.28 06:49:00 -
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Originally by: Galactic Magi
Every battleship in game has damage bonuses to it biggest weapons.
Considering that shouldnt dominix drone bonuses only apply to heavy and sentry drones?
On the other hand Dominix's first damage bonus applies only to large hybrid turrets.
Although I'm not totally convinced that Dominix needs a nerf, but how about restricting the drone bonus to only thermal drones as originally suggested by CCP?
Originally by: Maya Rkell
1v1, for BS, is an abberant situation and you must not balance for it.
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Hobbledehoy
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Posted - 2006.03.28 07:10:00 -
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Originally by: MissileRus
Edited by: MissileRus on 27/03/2006 08:59:09
everyone says battleships should not be solopwnmobiles, the domi is exactly that
oh so yea i agree with op, atleast some nerf is required
You do realize that there is going to be a "best Battleship" no matter what you do; they're not all going to be equal. I think it's fine as is because now at least there isn't one battleship that's best at everything.
The way I see it:
Dominix, Raven = good in small gang encounters
Megathron, Tempest, Armageddon = really good in large fleet battles.
Scorpion, Apoc = generally well rounded battleships that are decent at both.
If you're arguing to nerf the dominix, then nerf the Raven and scorpion too -
Have you guys even seen the power of a scorpion or a raven?
Raven = unmatchable ability to deal huge dammage AND have a tank. Most other battleships have to choose.
Scorpion = has the power to easily render 3 other battleships or 5-6 smaller ships useless realistically for the entire battle. The best part of the scorpion though is that it doesn't even require many skills to use. The other battleships require like 8 million SP in gunnery to use effectively but the scorpion only needs like 1 million SP in jamming skills.
POINT OF RESPONSE: to point out that there are many ships that excell in a specific situation, not only dominix. ALSO, there are other ships out there that are particularly well rounded and seem well suited to most situations (cough* caldari). If you want to nerf the dominix to be marginally well in one situation and useless in many others, don't forget to do the same with the caldari bs.
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Hobbledehoy
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Posted - 2006.03.28 07:19:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Floppyknickers
The person(s) bringing up the Amarr recons bring to light a very interesting problem. The Amarr recons were specifically designed to do the very thing people are complaining the Domi manages to do, that Nos (something there recieve a bonus for) ECM since they have all those mids, tank, and get a bonus to drones for dealing with smaller and same sized targets.
So are we going to call for a change in those bonuses now? Or a nerf to thier slot setups? They are geared to let the Recons do exactly the same thing the domi can do now. Unless it's OKAY for elites to be "overpowered", then there's no issue I guess.
Please leave the Domi alone. It pays a heavy toll for it's abilities, that being range. The Domi is, and has always been, a close range pitbull for 1 vs 1 on battles ships or anti frig support. Be it NOS/Nuets, a rack of Smart bombs (evil laugh), or dual 250's/Blasters.
She simply doesn't have the grid to support long range damage set ups without seriously killing it's survivability and effectiveness and anyone who wants to contest the use of a couple links to extend drone range to needs to be slapped. The heavies should be long dead before arriving or at least targeted so the defending ships drones can devour them. The ship is good at it's intended role, is that soo shocking or unfair?
Does this mean all Tempests should be nerf so they can't snipe frigs regardless of conditions? If a ship happens to enter the range of either ship with thier optimal set up, that is not imbalance, that's effectiveness.
To those who want to remove a MID to nerf the domI, fine. Give it another low and 2500 grid. I would welcome that, but the bonuses should remain unchanged.
This push to give Frigs some needed place in combat has got to stop. All this complaining about how this ship or that is an "I-Win button" because it can kill frigs is idiotic. Frigs are supposed to die against a large ship, even a swarm of 30 frigs should expect to lose some. Should they win against a BS, certainly, but because of overwhelming numbers , not because the BS can't hit and kill a frig with any weapon. A lone frig or Even 2-3 frigs against a BS should be considered suicide, not an effective means of killing a battleship.
Agreed.
However, I'd like to say that currently frigs do have a role and fill it well. I don't think they're underpowered or overpowered. Just leave it as is.
hint: the key to frigs is their maneuverability. Yes they can kill, but if you think they're overpowered, go try solo pvping in one and see what you're powerful enough to take down. Even with t2 frigs, I doubt you'll get anything higher than another frig unless you're using an AF, which is more comparable to a cruiser than a frig (in nearly all aspects but signiture radius).
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AnxietyAttack
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Posted - 2006.03.28 09:14:00 -
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Actually, i was saddened to see 2 crows beat dwn a tempest in empire a week or so ago, obviuosly a concorde sanctioned war but i stopped to watch and couldnt believe what i was seeing. It actually upset me to see someone lose a bs to 2 frigs even though i didnt know them, there setup or whatever, and from talking to friends who reside in empire, this kind of thing happens alot, a few inties or af's beat dwn on bs, keeping in line with alot of thread's being created recently, wouldnt that mean they were overpowered because they won?
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Troubadour
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Posted - 2006.03.28 09:44:00 -
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Originally by: Valea Silpha
The problem with the domi is that its benefitted from the drone changes quite considerably, the ew changes very considerably and as nos have stayed the same, the other changes have made it seem more uber.
Just because the domi isn't uber-perfect-i-pwn-joo-all-ship doesn't mean its fine as it is. Nothing should be able to jam, nos, tank and deal damage all in the same set-up.
sounds like someone needs to train up for a domi.
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Kelgen Thann
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Posted - 2006.03.28 10:24:00 -
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Brilliant idea!
I personally have only fought a DOMI in a BS, but this makes perfect sense.
Bonuses should apply to the Battleship sized weapon.
As for any comparison to the Raven and the ROF bonus, or no kin damage bonus. To make the DOMI the same as the kin bonus the DOMI would have to get a +% bonus to Thermal Drones.
I am in complete agreement with the bonus only applying to Heavy and Sentry Drones
I also think the Scorpion should recieve a bonus to ECM drones!
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Ravenge
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Posted - 2006.03.28 16:53:00 -
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So if the domi gets its bonuses to gallente drones only, can we have it so the scorps bonuses are only for caldari jammers and that the ravens bonuses only effect kinetic cruise and torps..
So that way, everything is fair.. scorps are great with caldari jammers, but the same as everyone else with the other jammers.. and a raven only gets its rof and veloc bonuses when it has kinetic torps and cruise in its launchers.. other then that its the same as the other ships..
Hey even better... lets do away with all the ships and have 1 ship, 1 type of turret and so on... then we can all fly the exact same ship, with the same set up doing the same damamge with the same tank.. that way, no-one can moan about something being overpowered..
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.03.28 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Kelgen Thann
Brilliant idea!
I personally have only fought a DOMI in a BS, but this makes perfect sense.
Bonuses should apply to the Battleship sized weapon.
As for any comparison to the Raven and the ROF bonus, or no kin damage bonus. To make the DOMI the same as the kin bonus the DOMI would have to get a +% bonus to Thermal Drones.
I am in complete agreement with the bonus only applying to Heavy and Sentry Drones
I also think the Scorpion should recieve a bonus to ECM drones!
Are heavy drones a battleship sized weapon? Serious question - they seem to fit very well in my Ishtars and Eos...
Also, thermal damage bonus? Please take a look at the damage modifiers on all drone types. If you want there to only be a bonus on thermal drones (like missiles), then make all drones have equal base damage. If its going to stay like this, then there should be a bonus to all drones. Thermal drones deal the most damage right now after all, so are good to carry around in general.
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Sitri
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Posted - 2006.03.28 17:04:00 -
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OP you a n00b for even suggesting this
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