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Galactic Magi
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Posted - 2006.03.27 08:23:00 -
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Every battleship in game has damage bonuses to it biggest weapons.
Considering that shouldnt dominix drone bonuses only apply to heavy and sentry drones?
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.03.27 08:26:00 -
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The man makes a good point.
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Nafri
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Posted - 2006.03.27 08:29:00 -
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ohh noes, Dominix could not be the pwn against frigs anymore!
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Laythun
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Posted - 2006.03.27 08:50:00 -
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 Originally by: Galactic Magi
Every battleship in game has damage bonuses to it biggest weapons.
Considering that shouldnt dominix drone bonuses only apply to heavy and sentry drones?
good point
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Kel Shek
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Posted - 2006.03.27 08:56:00 -
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Originally by: Testy Mctest
The man makes a good point.
not really.
at least I don't think so. if it was a more sizable bonus
for only heavys and sentry drones... that'd just make it so omnidirectional tracking links, and webbers were a must, rather than a "useful if you can spare the slot" and make drone choices alot easier...
and by "more sizable" I mean like, 15-20% per level bonus. or maybe 10% damage/hp, and 20% tracking/flight speed.
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Nadec Ascand
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Posted - 2006.03.27 08:56:00 -
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another frig toasted by a dominix...
well good point is now you wont try to kill anymore a dominix in ur inty.
so at least u learn something ^^
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MissileRus
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Posted - 2006.03.27 08:58:00 -
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Edited by: MissileRus on 27/03/2006 08:59:09
everyone says battleships should not be solopwnmobiles, the domi is exactly that 
oh so yea i agree with op, atleast some nerf is required 
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.03.27 09:03:00 -
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Originally by: MissileRus
Edited by: MissileRus on 27/03/2006 08:59:09
everyone says battleships should not be solopwnmobiles, the domi is exactly that
oh so yea i agree with op, atleast some nerf is required
Really, yes. I don't know why this hasn't been suggested before. Or why I haven't thought about it.
Why do ships with Drone bonuses get their bonuses to all sizes of drones?
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Mad'Mike Banks
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Posted - 2006.03.27 09:14:00 -
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Apocs dont, neither do scorps or typhoons so..... no the domi doesnt need its one of the highest damage ships out there
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Meiron
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Posted - 2006.03.27 09:18:00 -
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Why do Ravens get a straight RoF bonus instead of a Kinetic damage bonus to Siege/Cruise Launchers? Is it so inconceivable that certain ships were designed with flexibility in mind?
It makes perfect sense that the Dominix gets a 5% large hybrid bonus and 10% drone damage bonus, since drones are by design a flexible weapon. After all, one of the key purposes of drones is to offer defense against smaller targets your main guns cannot hit. Changing drones is like changing ammo types for different situations.
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Amarr knight
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Posted - 2006.03.27 09:25:00 -
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Originally by: Meiron
Why do Ravens get a straight RoF bonus instead of a Kinetic damage bonus to Siege/Cruise Launchers? Is it so inconceivable that certain ships were designed with flexibility in mind?
It makes perfect sense that the Dominix gets a 5% large hybrid bonus and 10% drone damage bonus, since drones are by design a flexible weapon. After all, one of the key purposes of drones is to offer defense against smaller targets your main guns cannot hit. Changing drones is like changing ammo types for different situations.
Raven used to have a straight ROF bonus. Which was changed to Siege and cruise missile Rof bonus a long time ago.
Recently a lot of "domi overpowered" thread popping up. One of the main reason is that as most battleships use drones as their frig defence, domi actually gets to use their bonus on both small and med drones.
Changing its bonus to heavy and sentry drone only makes sense.
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Gaden Amoel
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Posted - 2006.03.27 09:31:00 -
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Originally by: Galactic Magi
Every battleship in game has damage bonuses to it biggest weapons.
Considering that shouldnt dominix drone bonuses only apply to heavy and sentry drones?
Every Battleship?`
Like Apokalypse? Like Scorpion? Maybe like Raven?
Apokalyspe - 5 % cap 10 % large energy turret cap
Scorpion - ECM bonuses
Raven - ROF + Range Bonus
leave the Dominix like it is. It¦s a fine but ugly ship.
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Amarr knight
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Posted - 2006.03.27 09:42:00 -
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Edited by: Amarr knight on 27/03/2006 09:44:10
Originally by: Gaden Amoel
Originally by: Galactic Magi
Every battleship in game has damage bonuses to it biggest weapons.
Considering that shouldnt dominix drone bonuses only apply to heavy and sentry drones?
Every Battleship?`
Like Apokalypse? Like Scorpion? Maybe like Raven?
Apokalyspe - 5 % cap 10 % large energy turret cap
Scorpion - ECM bonuses
Raven - ROF + Range Bonus
leave the Dominix like it is. It¦s a fine but ugly ship.
Apoc: 5% cap is not a weapon bonus, "10% large energy turret capacitor use" DOES apply to its largest weapon.
Scorp: There is no small, med or heavy ecm module. There is only 1 size.
Raven: Its bonuses DO apply to its largest weapons.
I fail to see your point.
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Meiron
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Posted - 2006.03.27 09:44:00 -
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Originally by: Amarr knight
Raven used to have a straight ROF bonus. Which was changed to Siege and cruise missile Rof bonus a long time ago. And changing domi bonus doesnt stop domi from carring and using small/med drones.
Recently a lot of "domi overpowered" thread popping up. One of the main reason is that as most battleships use drones as their frig defence, domi actually gets to use their bonus on both small and med drones.
Changing its bonus to heavy and sentry drone only makes sense.
Oh, I think you misunderstood me, I meant a straight RoF bonus to Siege/Cruise launchers, instead of a Kinetic damage bonus like most Caldari ships. The reason is because as a specialized missile ship, the developers want you to take FULL advantage of one of the key strengths of missiles, the flexibility to switch damage types.
One of the key strengths of drones is the flexibility of being able to use heavies, mediums, and lights for different sized targets, OR being able to use one sized drone but carry replacements or different damage types. In exchange drones take even longer than missiles to get on target, are expensive, can be destroyed, are left behind when you retreat, and have crappy AI. It makes no sense to cripple one of the main points of drones for the one dedicated battleship drone carrier in the game.
Dominixes get the worst powergrid of any battleship by FAR, it can barely defend itself without drones, so it needs the drone damage bonus on heavies/sentries too.
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Samirol
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Posted - 2006.03.27 09:49:00 -
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Originally by: MissileRus
Edited by: MissileRus on 27/03/2006 08:59:09
everyone says battleships should not be solopwnmobiles, the domi is exactly that
oh so yea i agree with op, atleast some nerf is required
Dominix has no missile slots, and relatively low pg/cpu. It CAN own up close 1v1, but that is like saying nerf the tempest because it owns long range vs cruisers.
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Slink Grinsdikild
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Posted - 2006.03.27 09:51:00 -
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Originally by: Galactic Magi
Every battleship in game has damage bonuses to it biggest weapons.
Considering that shouldnt dominix drone bonuses only apply to heavy and sentry drones?
I agree, the Dominix is currently near impossible to tackle or pin down. Dom pilots bang on about "staying outside Nos range" as the key to killing a Dominix. But then nothing will stop the Dominix from warping off, since you can't scramble them at these ranges.
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Galactic Magi
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Posted - 2006.03.27 09:53:00 -
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Originally by: Samirol
Originally by: MissileRus
Edited by: MissileRus on 27/03/2006 08:59:09
everyone says battleships should not be solopwnmobiles, the domi is exactly that
oh so yea i agree with op, atleast some nerf is required
Dominix has no missile slots, and relatively low pg/cpu. It CAN own up close 1v1, but that is like saying nerf the tempest because it owns long range vs cruisers.
Having bonuses only to heavy and sentry drones doesnt change its effectiveness vs Battleships. Only makes it less effective vs smaller targets. Just like every other Battleship.
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wierchas noobhunter
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Posted - 2006.03.27 09:55:00 -
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Originally by: Testy Mctest
Originally by: MissileRus
Edited by: MissileRus on 27/03/2006 08:59:09
everyone says battleships should not be solopwnmobiles, the domi is exactly that
oh so yea i agree with op, atleast some nerf is required
Really, yes. I don't know why this hasn't been suggested before. Or why I haven't thought about it.
Why do ships with Drone bonuses get their bonuses to all sizes of drones?
i dont see big diference
just that after this domi will need web to kill frigies
nos 4tw
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2006.03.27 09:59:00 -
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Originally by: MissileRus
Edited by: MissileRus on 27/03/2006 08:59:09
everyone says battleships should not be solopwnmobiles, the domi is exactly that
oh so yea i agree with op, atleast some nerf is required
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How about you took a look at what makes the dominix that.. ECM exactly, without ecm, its not really a problem.
a domi with 3 t2 multispecs, scrambler, ab + nosfs + t2 heavy drones, is a very nice solo ship, but its not the dominix, drones, nosfs or anything else than ECM that makes it what it is.
imho.
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Slickster
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Posted - 2006.03.27 10:22:00 -
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Here we go again yet another nerf this thread
Why not leave the game design to ccp its there brain child ?
O and why not ask for boost for the other tier 1 bs's everyone would be far happier than yet another nerf.
Nerf the nerf thread
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Boonaki
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Posted - 2006.03.27 10:39:00 -
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I think the point is this.
Way back guns owned frigates.
Not to long ago missiles owned frigates.
Right now drones and nos own frigates, but a dominix kills frigates faster then any other battleship (close range) because it's bonus isn't applied to only battleship sized weapons (sentries and heavies).
Why should the bonus apply to lights and med drones if those are frigate and cruise weapons.
Remember when they changed the ROF bonus on the raven to only include cruise/siege?
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Rodge
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Posted - 2006.03.27 10:41:00 -
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Originally by: Slickster
Why not leave the game design to ccp its there brain child ?
Because we, the players, twist the game design to find overpowered applications of CCP's designs. Then CCP makes a change (nerf) to bring the game design back into the way it was conceived to work.
Initially, I thought that this would be another silly "nerf" thread, but this one actually makes quite a bit of sense. Why should any BS get a bonus to small guns, which is effectively what light/medium drones are on a Dominix?
I'm in favour of this change!
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.03.27 10:50:00 -
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After cruise missile vs frig nerf, ok?
Originally by: Commander Nikolas
People like Lukec are the problem and they know it. Shin Ra's Raven has 4x WCS, Lukec's Dominix has 5x WCS & Ishtar has 2x WCS.
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Porro
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Posted - 2006.03.27 11:15:00 -
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This wont accomplish that much, web, nos, and tp will still make heavies work against frigates. Also where do medium drones stand? As they're too slow to actually catch a frigate with a microwarp drive, and you would use heavies against a cruiser?
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jamesw
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Posted - 2006.03.27 11:17:00 -
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Domi is not overpowered.
... other ships are just underpowered 
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2006.03.27 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: Slickster
Here we go again yet another nerf this thread
Why not leave the game design to ccp its there brain child ?
O and why not ask for boost for the other tier 1 bs's everyone would be far happier than yet another nerf.
Nerf the nerf thread
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Adorna
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Posted - 2006.03.27 11:21:00 -
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Seems to me comparing drones to missles and turrets is not accurate as the drone is not a ship module.
It is in a seperate class and should not be directly compared.
No one would really fit small turrets on a battleship so giving it a bonus would be kind of pointless. Same goes for light missles on a BS. Drones however are by their nature versatile and are useful across the board.
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dabster
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Posted - 2006.03.27 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Galactic Magi
Every battleship in game has damage bonuses to it biggest weapons.
Considering that shouldnt dominix drone bonuses only apply to heavy and sentry drones?
This is actually is awfully simple yet so logical point o_O
Same should/could apply to Vexor in that case.
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Posted - 2006.03.27 11:23:00 -
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Everyone goes on about the Domi being a solo "i win" button... I agree that the ship is powerful and is capable of standing on its own against most, but it's not unbeatable like the overly excited posters seem to suggest. I watched a BlastaT take down a Domi 1v1 in a very good eve-video by Battle Angels Inc. Granted it was a close fight, but the Domi by no means had an I win button...
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Zemeckis R
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Posted - 2006.03.27 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Galactic Magi
Every battleship in game has damage bonuses to it biggest weapons.
Considering that shouldnt dominix drone bonuses only apply to heavy and sentry drones?
RAVEN
Special Ability: 5% bonus to Cruise and Siege Launcher Rate Of Fire and 10% bonus to Cruise Missile and Torpedo Velocity per level.
so... shut up
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