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Zero Chaos	Posted - 2006.03.27 15:55:00 - [1] Edited by: Zero Chaos on 27/03/2006 15:55:54 I just recently bought a rax and I must say, I'm not having too much fun in it, but it could also be my lack of skills. I struggle with lvl 2 missions. Setup 4x 200mm Carbide Railguns I 1x Small Knave I NOS 1x Named AB ( Can't use a MWD yet ) 1x Named Web 1x Named Cap. Recharger 1x Named Med. Armor Rep. 1x 400 Nanofiber Plate I don't really know what to put in the other three slots. Its been a mix of damage mods and targeting speed mods. Shields go down and then its onto the tanking with armor. My cap doesn't recharge fast enough keep the repper going and the armor hitpoints drop fast. Also, how do you fit a ship like that for PvP? I got my ass handed to me the other day in it. x_x I must really suck at life. LOL!
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.03.27 15:57:00 - [2] You need armor hardeners [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
Alyth	Posted - 2006.03.27 15:59:00 - [3] Try the inafmous PlateRax: Hi: 5x 125mm rails of your choice Mid: 1x best 10mn MWD or afterburner you can afford. Speed isn't really that important in L2's. 1x web 1x cap recharger Low: 1x best 1600mm plate you can afford 1x best med armour rep you can afford 3x rat specific hardeners voila....5k armour and kickass specific resists and performance against small targets
jbob2000	Posted - 2006.03.27 16:00:00 - [4] Rails aren't that great on a thorax, but for level 2s, i guess it does the job. try to get an 800mm plate instead of the 400mm. If that wont go on, drop the 400mm plate, put on another rep/cap relay, and then 2 armor hardeners. drones are also very important. load up on medium drones.
babyblue	Posted - 2006.03.27 16:01:00 - [5] Yes. Target Practice.
wierchas noobhunter	Posted - 2006.03.27 16:02:00 - [6] rax is not pve ship !!!!
Emsigma	Posted - 2006.03.27 16:09:00 - [7] Originally by: wierchas noobhunter rax is not pve ship !!!! It is perfect for doing low level missions and low level complexes. Before RMR I used the thorax to do lvl4 complexes
wierchas noobhunter	Posted - 2006.03.27 16:11:00 - [8] Originally by: Emsigma Originally by: wierchas noobhunter rax is not pve ship !!!! It is perfect for doing low level missions and low level complexes. Before RMR I used the thorax to do lvl4 complexes plz dont use rax anymore
Chronus26	Posted - 2006.03.27 16:20:00 - [9] Originally by: wierchas noobhunter Originally by: Emsigma Originally by: wierchas noobhunter rax is not pve ship !!!! It is perfect for doing low level missions and low level complexes. Before RMR I used the thorax to do lvl4 complexes plz dont use rax anymore I use a Deimos for NPCing, what have you got to say about that? -----
Morgana Janan	Posted - 2006.03.27 16:24:00 - [10] The rax is more of a blasterboat. I played for a while with it as a rail platform, but even with three 200mm Prototypes and a pair of 150mm Prototypes it was kind of tedious. Then, just to experiment, I bought a rack of medium blasters and managed to fit them along with a MWD. Turns out to be great fun to play, even when ratting Gurista cruisers and battlecruisers in 0.0 (battleships are another matter). You're basically rushing in to about 2500 meters and orbiting, webbing, nosing and firing. Combined with medium drones most rats melt pretty quickly. Sure, it's not as easy as slowly wearing down Blood Raiders at 25km with my rails (I've already lost one Thorax when I got swarmed), but it's more fun to play. My setup is this: 1x Named Medium NOS 4x Named Medium Electron Blasters with Antimatter charges 1x Named MWD 1x Named Web 1x Named Cap Recharger 1x Named Medium Armor Repairer 1x 800mm Crystalline Carbide Plate 2x Named Armor Hardeners 1x Named RCU 5x Vespas For deadspace missions, replace the MWD with a named AB and the RCU with a named damaged mod. The only real catch with this setup is it requires you have Engineering 5 to use the MWD setup, even with the RCU. It's also really handy to build up your cap capacity and recharge skills, as well as your cruiser skill. But if you're using a rax, the MWD is only inflicting about a 12% penalty to your cap anyways. The total cost of the modules for me tends to run to about 10mil ISK, but since it can take down rat BC's pretty effectively, you can recoup that well enough. I can fly this at about 2.75mil SP (1.7mil of which is Learning skills). The main weakness is that you have to get very close to your target to do damage (point blank, basically), and the armor plating does impact your maneuverability, but it does really boost your armor points to a level you can survive slugging matches with rat cruisers and battlecruisers. That extra armor's saved my butt more times than I can count. I'd also suggest getting QuickFit, if you havn't already. Helps fiddle around with design ideas. ______________________________________________ When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite.
Kadrush	Posted - 2006.03.27 16:27:00 - [11] That¦s my setup, I was thinking about going to 125 instead of 150 and drop the nano plates to take active hardneers. Not sure. Highs: 5x 150mm scout railgun (still thinking about the ammo) Mids: 1x 10 MN AB 1x Cap recharger 1x Web Lows: 1x med armor repair 1x explosive hardner 1x 1600 titanium armor 2x adapt nano membrane More than 50% resistance in armor, anyway.
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.03.27 16:28:00 - [12] I hear the limited edition thorax toys also have uses that the original designers didn't think about. The choice of material (vulcanized rubber) and the inclusion of a rumble pack to simulate it being hit by missiles might have had something to do with it... Originally by: Tuxford we look at them say "wow autocannons sure do suck,... oh well lets go boost amarr".
wierchas noobhunter	Posted - 2006.03.27 16:31:00 - [13] Originally by: Chronus26 Originally by: wierchas noobhunter Originally by: Emsigma Originally by: wierchas noobhunter rax is not pve ship !!!! It is perfect for doing low level missions and low level complexes. Before RMR I used the thorax to do lvl4 complexes plz dont use rax anymore I use a Deimos for NPCing, what have you got to say about that? do u can use for pvp that junk ?
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.03.27 16:37:00 - [14] Originally by: wierchas noobhunter do u can use for pvp that junk ? do you can check post before reply press ? Originally by: Tuxford we look at them say "wow autocannons sure do suck,... oh well lets go boost amarr".
Zero Chaos	Posted - 2006.03.27 16:39:00 - [15] Thanks for the suggestions. I see where I'm messing up at. I hadn't even thought of using armor hardeners. I'll get hot on training the skill for it ASAP. I'm also going to try using the blasters. I'm having troubles dealing damage so thats why I had the damage mods equipped. I'll work on my drone skills as well.
wierchas noobhunter	Posted - 2006.03.27 16:39:00 - [16] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: wierchas noobhunter do u can use for pvp that junk ? do you can check post before reply press ? my reply is 100% true
Meruth	Posted - 2006.03.27 16:55:00 - [17] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: wierchas noobhunter do u can use for pvp that junk ? do you can check post before reply press ?
OldPueblo	Posted - 2006.03.27 17:54:00 - [18] Why use small turrets and completely skip the medium damage bonus? Shame!
Asestorian	Posted - 2006.03.27 18:16:00 - [19] Most people are suggesting that because the person asking is doing level 2 missions, which involve mostly frigate-sized enemies. The medium guns can have a problem hitting these, so the smaller guns are suggested. Well.. that's my guess anyway, I don't fly gallente. --- ---
Phantom BlueNeutron	Posted - 2006.03.27 18:20:00 - [20] I only use the Thorax as a Small Indy, Fast Shuttle.
Xori Ruscuv	Posted - 2006.03.27 18:23:00 - [21] Thorax is a great ship for level 2s. Use 150mm named rails for level 2s - lots of frigs, and they do plenty of damage. These will track even with poor gunnery skills. Make sure to have a medium armor rem and at least 2 active armor hardeners in your lows. I recommend training for a Tech 2 medium armor repairer, the difference is noticable! I also like to run with a plate (800mm or 1600mm, though 1600mm makes you turn like a battleship) - makes it so you really never have to warp out on the "harder" missions (human cattle, murderer brought to justice, tech secrets) as long as you have the right armor hardener types on and don't waste your capacitor.
Cairo dog	Posted - 2006.03.27 18:24:00 - [22] Originally by: Phantom BlueNeutron I only use the Thorax as a Small Indy, Fast Shuttle. You horrible person ------------------------------------- Murder murder!!!! Kill them all! (I like the happy place)
4 LOM	Posted - 2006.03.27 18:28:00 - [23] Way back along time ago i used to use one to mine in. they used to be the king of the cruiser miners.
Sarai Atvar	Posted - 2006.03.27 18:36:00 - [24] I tried fitting medium rails on a Rax for L2s, and they simply didn't work as well as the small rails. In addition, I ran into problems with cap and powergrid usage if I tried to fill all my slots with 250mm rails. ----------------- [ The Coreli Corporation Mainframe ]
Cairo dog	Posted - 2006.03.27 18:36:00 - [25] Originally by: 4 LOM Way back along time ago i used to use one to mine in. they used to be the king of the cruiser miners. No Osprey or Scythe? ------------------------------------- Murder murder!!!! Kill them all! (I like the happy place)
Phantom BlueNeutron	Posted - 2006.03.27 19:16:00 - [26] Originally by: Cairo dog Originally by: Phantom BlueNeutron I only use the Thorax as a Small Indy, Fast Shuttle. You horrible person In more ways then you may know ....
Rens Doggery	Posted - 2006.03.27 20:11:00 - [27] ---------------------- LVL 2 Missions 4x 150mm Prototype 1x Med Knave NOS 1x 10mn ABII 1x x5 Web 1x Fixed Cap Recharger 1x MARII 2x Rat Specific Energized Harndeners 1x Mag Stab 1x 1600mm RT plate Works pretty nice, switch the magstab for another energized if going against angels. Havent tried with active hardeners, stopped doing lvl2s before i got the skill. ---------------------- 0.0 Ratting 1x Med Ion (Named) 4x Small Neutron (Named) 1x AB II 1x x5 web 1x Fixed Paralel Link Cap Recharger 1x Medium Armor Rep II 2x N-Type Active Hardeners (rat type) 1x Named Cap Relay/Mag Stab 1x 1600mm Rolled Tungsten 5x Hammerheads Nice for killing BS, the drones kill frigs before you get in range, the only prob is with 2x or more cruisers. ---------------------- PVP 4x Regulated Heavy Ion 1x Med Knave NOS 1x Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive 1x J5b Phased Scram (7.5km) 1x X5 Web 2x Small Armor Repairer II 2x N-Type EANM 1x F85 Peripheral Damage Control I The damage control is an essential part of this setup, it gives nice resists to shield, armor and hull aswell. Switch it on while warping to your target, or just keep it on at all times. The 2 small reps are pretty usefull aswell, their fast cycle timing compensates the extra amount of armor 1x Med Rep gives.
Calynus	Posted - 2006.03.27 20:46:00 - [28] This is what I use: Hi: 5x Modal Light Neutron Blasters (antimatter and iridium charges) Mid: 1 x Medium Electrochemical Cap Booster (4 x 200 charges) 1 x 10MN T2 AB 1 x Named Webber Low: 1 x Named Damage Control (saving for an Internal Force Field, using F85 now) 1 x Medium Armor Rep T2 1 x 800mm Rolled Tungsten Plate 1 x Adaptive Nano Membrane 1 x Cap Power Relay Drones: 3 x Hammerheads, 4 x Hobgoblins I can do some level 3 missions with this setup, level 2's quite easily. If you want range switch out the blasters for good 150mm rails.
Reinala	Posted - 2006.03.27 21:09:00 - [29] Personly, I don't see why anyone would use Nos on 2 lvl missions. It's all become very boring in cruiser very very fast. Warp in, fly close, aggro, stop ship, web-kill, web-kill... It works in Stabber with tank like Med.Rep and simple Damage Control (no plates or hardeners). Close range medium turrets kill anything on 2 lvl in the matter of seconds. The trick is simple - stop your ship when webbing small orbiting targets. What use in webber, if you trying to orbit them at 1-3km with speed of 200 m/s and getting transversal at "can't hit frig with med turret" level? Transversal speed is the two-sided road. P.S. And drones help. P.P.S. It may sound strange, but AB T2 is better for missions than any MWD (if you get to MWD, you already can use any AB T2, check on that). You don't need to change it, don't need to rememmber when to change it for DS, and you just don't jump off from cargo containers too far when looting (the real pain with MWD and AB sometimes, belive me).
Montero	Posted - 2006.03.27 21:11:00 - [30] imo using frig sized guns on a thorax is utterly pointless. you're ignoring the one thing it does very well; **** loads of damage. if you want a 1600mm plate and frig guns buy a vexor or arbitrator or something. Keep profanity & moderation discussion out of your sig, please. --Jorauk no

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