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sMoKe AU	Posted - 2006.03.27 16:09:00 - [1] Tribal Souls was approached by TRIGGER for a cease fire to allow time for discussions for a NAP. At the time Tribal Souls made the decision that it was fair to agree to the temporary cease fire to allow us to consider the request. Upon a Leadership meeting it has been decided that we do not wish to end hostilities with SA and therefore effective downtime 28/03/2006 our standings will be reset to -10. We look forward to further action on the battlefield. Good luck to all involved. sMoKe AU
Bizarre	Posted - 2006.03.27 16:13:00 - [2] Tribal Souls I salute you! I LOVE WOTANKN
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2006.03.27 16:13:00 - [3] lol @ Sa claiming TS wanted a nap... ------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Hardin	Posted - 2006.03.27 16:17:00 - [4] --------------------------------- Smiting pirates and terrorists since Sept 2003
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.03.27 16:18:00 - [5] Wow, and there I thought I was going to have to derail the thread. WTG TS!!! Fear the Ibis of doom.
Kazim	Posted - 2006.03.27 16:19:00 - [6] Edited by: Kazim on 27/03/2006 16:20:35 Edited by: Kazim on 27/03/2006 16:19:49 not worth it
Divine Vengeance	Posted - 2006.03.27 16:20:00 - [7] Someone post the link to that map RF got banned for, I feel it is appropriate at this time
Xelios	Posted - 2006.03.27 16:21:00 - [8] Edited by: Xelios on 27/03/2006 16:27:33 TS was approached about a NAP because a TS official requested a meeting to that end on our teamspeak. THAT is why the approach to TS was made and for no other reason. If that doesn't jive with the rest of TS that's fine, but that IS what happened. Let me put it this way, SA was led to believe TS was looking for a NAP, so talks were arranged. If TS really wasn't looking for a NAP then all this was a miscommunication and it's business as usual. Signature removed. -Zhuge ([email protected]) Woot.
Kryztal	Posted - 2006.03.27 16:22:00 - [9] rofl, good going. Black Nova Corp Bob(TM) Brand Bleach - Eliminates Every Stain
Kalaky	Posted - 2006.03.27 16:23:00 - [10] Originally by: Kazim Edited by: Kazim on 27/03/2006 16:20:35 Edited by: Kazim on 27/03/2006 16:19:49 not worth it Originally by: Kazim You have got to be kidding me, Trigger never approached TS for a nap you idiot, you apporached us. It's always worth it.

Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.03.27 16:23:00 - [11] Edited by: Sarmaul on 27/03/2006 16:23:09 rofl nice one TS - good to see someone finally realises how well SA keeps to their naps and ceasefires :) Originally by: Tuxford we look at them say "wow autocannons sure do suck,... oh well lets go boost amarr".
Dianabolic	Posted - 2006.03.27 16:24:00 - [12] Originally by: Xelios TS was approached by Trigger about a NAP because a TS official requested a meeting to that end on our teamspeak. THAT is why the approach to TS was made and for no other reason. If that doesn't jive with the rest of TS that's fine, but that IS what happened. Let me put it this way, SA was led to believe TS was looking for a NAP, so talks were arranged. If TS really wasn't looking for a NAP then all this was a miscommunication and it's business as usual. The irony is strong in this post. Originally by: Thomas Jefferson A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither
Hardin	Posted - 2006.03.27 16:24:00 - [13] Originally by: Xelios TS was approached by Trigger about a NAP because a TS official requested a meeting to that end on our teamspeak. THAT is why the approach to TS was made and for no other reason. If that doesn't jive with the rest of TS that's fine, but that IS what happened. Let me put it this way, SA was led to believe TS was looking for a NAP, so talks were arranged. If TS really wasn't looking for a NAP then all this was a miscommunication and it's business as usual. That does make sense... Miscommunication FTW... --------------------------------- Smiting pirates and terrorists since Sept 2003
H3ndrix	Posted - 2006.03.27 16:27:00 - [14] Quote: TS was approached by Trigger about a NAP because a TS official requested a meeting to that end on our teamspeak actually Trigger contacted a TS official requesting a end to hostilities when we destroyed the SA pos in estoria, if need be the chat log can be pasted
Sylic	Posted - 2006.03.27 16:28:00 - [15] Well maybe SA should not have tried to make it look like TRIBE was asking for the NAP. Doesnt matter either way to FATEX ...
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.03.27 16:29:00 - [16] Originally by: H3ndrix Quote: TS was approached by Trigger about a NAP because a TS official requested a meeting to that end on our teamspeak actually Trigger contacted a TS official requesting a end to hostilities when we destroyed the SA pos in estoria, if need be the chat log can be pasted lol some more Originally by: Tuxford we look at them say "wow autocannons sure do suck,... oh well lets go boost amarr".
Kai Jyokoroi	Posted - 2006.03.27 16:32:00 - [17] Simply put, TS, you are flat-out lying. Simple as that. You know the truth. Yer ma's nags
Dianabolic	Posted - 2006.03.27 16:33:00 - [18] Originally by: Kai Jyokoroi Simply put, TS, you are flat-out lying. Simple as that. You know the truth. Got logs? Originally by: Thomas Jefferson A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither
Bizarre	Posted - 2006.03.27 16:33:00 - [19] Originally by: Kai Jyokoroi Simply put, TS, you are flat-out lying. Simple as that. You know the truth. So far none of you have come up with proof of these bold statements. I LOVE WOTANKN
H3ndrix	Posted - 2006.03.27 16:34:00 - [20] Quote: You know the truth. Yes we know the truth is trigger contacted us requesting a ceasefire. original convo log to follow

Rutoo	Posted - 2006.03.27 16:36:00 - [21] Originally by: H3ndrix Quote: You know the truth. Yes we know the truth is trigger contacted us requesting a ceasefire. original convo log to follow Sorry was that the POS you killed after it had been there since the breakup of SA? and that poised no threat to you what so ever? Backstabbing 4tl ________________________________ Club Seals Not Sandwichs
Kazim	Posted - 2006.03.27 16:40:00 - [22] Only one thing I will say here and that is it's unbelievable how some people will behave in this game. That's directed to TS.
Bizarre	Posted - 2006.03.27 16:41:00 - [23] Originally by: Kazim Only one thing I will say here and that is it's unbelievable how some people will behave in this game. That's directed to TS. You haven't met thebold, have you? I LOVE WOTANKN
Toksin	Posted - 2006.03.27 16:41:00 - [24] Just, erm, a question. You're all asking proof for SA's side. But what about TS's side? Personally, the reason for the NAP that Xelios put forward seemed to make alot more sense then a NAP out of no where.
Command0	Posted - 2006.03.27 16:42:00 - [25] Originally by: Kazim Only one thing I will say here and that is it's unbelievable how some people will behave in this game. That's directed to TS. Um SA have no right to say that to anyone.... And coming from you guys.... I laugh!
Kalaky	Posted - 2006.03.27 16:42:00 - [26] Originally by: Kazim Only one thing I will say here and that is it's unbelievable how some people will behave in this game. That's directed to TS. Just keep calling them all idiots, maybe that'll make it better! LOGS, LOGS, LOGS, LOGS!!! WE WANT LOGS!
Colje	Posted - 2006.03.27 16:43:00 - [27] Originally by: Bizarre Originally by: Kazim Only one thing I will say here and that is it's unbelievable how some people will behave in this game. That's directed to TS. You haven't met thebold, have you? Bizarre...make your own propaganda thread, and let us sort this.
Gus Preston	Posted - 2006.03.27 16:44:00 - [28] I <3 TRIBAL SOULS SA are small b0n3r5 fyi :) Love Gus
Kalaky	Posted - 2006.03.27 16:44:00 - [29] Originally by: Colje Originally by: Bizarre Originally by: Kazim Only one thing I will say here and that is it's unbelievable how some people will behave in this game. That's directed to TS. You haven't met thebold, have you? Bizarre...make your own propaganda thread, and let us sort this. Yeah, They'll send in Orc A to fix it shortly!
Toksin	Posted - 2006.03.27 16:45:00 - [30] Originally by: Command0 Originally by: Kazim Only one thing I will say here and that is it's unbelievable how some people will behave in this game. That's directed to TS. Um SA have no right to say that to anyone.... And coming from you guys.... I laugh! It's like the teapot calling the kettle black, for calling the other teapot black.

Sylic	Posted - 2006.03.27 16:46:00 - [31] Hands out tissues................. This is to funny ... BTW the POS was fully active and could have been used to use the supposed dread of SA.. doesnt matter to FATEX either was..
Segrin Galva	Posted - 2006.03.27 16:52:00 - [32] Looks like the BOB leash has been yanked... And TS settle at the feet of their masters
dantes inferno	Posted - 2006.03.27 16:56:00 - [33] WTF??? i cant not belive how two faced and backstabbing TS is! they come to us for a nap...which many people in sa do not want (due to TS stabbign us in the back to ensure their own saftey) and now you claim we want the nap??? what happened TS? did bob not like it and give you a spanking over tryingg to nap us? or is this just a case of some one doing something without your leadserships permission and now you trying to salvage the situation. _____ This is a Stain Alliance Fighter. It is protecting the assets of Stain Alliance, and may attack anyone it perceives as a threat, Threat Level: Trigglarist Fundermentalist
Al Haquis	Posted - 2006.03.27 17:01:00 - [34] Well only have one thing to say. Ubbabubba. With love from Al Haquis , and kids keep up the good work. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Council Member, Tahiri Warrior Masuat'aa Forums
CtapikKozlodoyev	Posted - 2006.03.27 17:04:00 - [35] ooooh Now now tribal, look what you did... Next time youll ask for a NAP you think SA will be kind enough to even consider it?
kRaZyBrIt	Posted - 2006.03.27 17:05:00 - [36] [ 2006.03.13 19:10:58 ] Dufas > TRIGGIE!!!! [ 2006.03.13 19:11:10 ] TRIGGER > <a href="showinfo:1373//855396157">Khe Zen'al'Zar</a> << need info on this char if u can remember him? [ 2006.03.13 19:11:30 ] TRIGGER > and also info on why tribal set sa to - [ 2006.03.13 19:11:51 ] TRIGGER > im slowly catching up on stuff and organising again [ 2006.03.13 19:12:00 ] Dufas > you in charge again ? [ 2006.03.13 19:12:10 ] TRIGGER > yes [ 2006.03.13 19:12:16 ] TRIGGER > slowly hehehe [ 2006.03.13 19:12:17 ] Dufas > thank god [ 2006.03.13 19:12:22 ] TRIGGER > exactly [ 2006.03.13 19:12:26 ] TRIGGER > what a mess [ 2006.03.13 19:12:42 ] Dufas > indeed [ 2006.03.13 19:12:51 ] Dufas > mostly unnessary too [ 2006.03.13 19:12:58 ] TRIGGER > im sure it is tbh [ 2006.03.13 19:13:01 ] Dufas > as for that guy i havnt seen him in ages [ 2006.03.13 19:13:09 ] TRIGGER > so well need to sort out what needs to be done [ 2006.03.13 19:13:11 ] Dufas > he was cool far as i remember [ 2006.03.13 19:13:12 ] TRIGGER > ok [ 2006.03.13 19:13:17 ] TRIGGER > he just apped to mass thats all [ 2006.03.13 19:13:22 ] TRIGGER > wondering why lol [ 2006.03.13 19:13:29 ] TRIGGER > ok [ 2006.03.13 19:13:38 ] Dufas > thinking he might have been an alt thou might wanna get his log in screen shot [ 2006.03.13 19:13:38 ] TRIGGER > didnt want a spy hahaha [ 2006.03.13 19:13:44 ] Dufas > heheh [ 2006.03.13 19:13:45 ] TRIGGER > okies [ 2006.03.13 19:13:51 ] Dufas > no i dont play that spy game crap [ 2006.03.13 19:14:16 ] TRIGGER > me niether [ 2006.03.13 19:14:40 ] TRIGGER > so do me a favour and see what needs to be done to get us (sa n ts) sorted [ 2006.03.13 19:14:45 ] TRIGGER > no hurry , whenever [ 2006.03.13 19:14:55 ] Dufas > i'd like that [ 2006.03.13 19:14:57 ] TRIGGER > im busy as usual now for the night so ill be around wenever [ 2006.03.13 19:15:14 ] TRIGGER > if im not on trigger [ 2006.03.13 19:15:14 ] Dufas > smoke au is the one you need to talk too i'll tell him to get with us [ 2006.03.13 19:15:23 ] TRIGGER > ill be on triggers [ 2006.03.13 19:15:28 ] TRIGGER > okies [ 2006.03.13 19:15:29 ] Dufas > cool [ 2006.03.13 19:15:35 ] TRIGGER > catch ya in a bit then m8 [ 2006.03.13 19:15:37 ] Dufas > i hate have sa/mass as - [ 2006.03.13 19:15:41 ] Dufas > ok trigg [ 2006.03.13 19:15:46 ] TRIGGER > yeh me too m8 [ 2006.03.13 19:15:46 ] Dufas > good seeing u again man [ 2006.03.13 19:15:49 ] TRIGGER > not good at all [ 2006.03.13 19:15:55 ] Dufas > agreed [ 2006.03.13 19:15:55 ] TRIGGER > specially stc also :/. [ 2006.03.13 19:16:15 ] TRIGGER > okwell cya in a bit
H3ndrix	Posted - 2006.03.27 17:06:00 - [37] Oops posted with my alt
Lurks Amarr	Posted - 2006.03.27 17:08:00 - [38] Originally by: H3ndrix Oops posted with my alt Dont worry mate everyone else seems to be posting with their alts so why should you be any different
thebold	Posted - 2006.03.27 17:10:00 - [39] TRIGGER: i never approached ts for a nap His word against yours. Second off we were aproached by a TS Diplo rep who said a new leadership would be taken into TS For now SA has taken note of the change
Tashinki	Posted - 2006.03.27 17:10:00 - [40] H3ndrix came to SA TS asking to speak to trigger or bold because he wanted a nap. Clearly he didn't have TS in his back. What a nublar hat. Tashinki signing out

Hardin	Posted - 2006.03.27 17:10:00 - [41] Edited by: Hardin on 27/03/2006 17:11:19 3/4 of that log was pointless Only relevant bit was [ 2006.03.13 19:14:40 ] TRIGGER > so do me a favour and see what needs to be done to get us (sa n ts) sorted And even that hardly clarifies anything if (as the SA guys say) they were initially apporached on Teamspeak. Pretty crappy evidence if you ask me... --------------------------------- Smiting pirates and terrorists since Sept 2003
mattzz	Posted - 2006.03.27 17:13:00 - [42] I hope there's better "evidence" than what was posted above... 'cause that is weak.
thebold	Posted - 2006.03.27 17:13:00 - [43] mmm trig was wrong :] he hardly plays eve atm but meh my post stands i have nothing to hide
Dafuzz	Posted - 2006.03.27 17:16:00 - [44] Originally by: thebold mmm trig was wrong :] he hardly plays eve atm but meh my post stands i have nothing to hide Is it even possible to disrespect TRIGGER more? thebold = Orc A's alt? -- -If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets..
cuncannon	Posted - 2006.03.27 17:17:00 - [45] Please note the time and date of the chat log, this is way before H3 chatted to the bold which was yesterday, the bold should also confirm this was yesterday that h3 spoke to you. and not before the chat log with trigger and dufas Soon to follow the pics of the pos we blew up on BY-MSY oh and thanks for the 50+ cans we collected after we popped it
CtapikKozlodoyev	Posted - 2006.03.27 17:17:00 - [46] IS IT POSSIBLE? BOB SHOVING THEMSELVES INTO YET ANOTHER UNRELATED THREAD? WTS: CAPS LOCK
Kryztal	Posted - 2006.03.27 17:17:00 - [47] omg lol look at SA yell and scream that TS came to them etc etc just read the log. Did Porc A approve of it though ? I mean im sure it needed to go through the Leader of SA, Porc A. Black Nova Corp Bob(TM) Brand Bleach - Eliminates Every Stain
Orc A	Posted - 2006.03.27 17:18:00 - [48] Thats Orcy Porky for you, Mr.
Vestalia Gaea	Posted - 2006.03.27 17:23:00 - [49] Originally by: Orc A Thats Orcy Porky for you, Mr. 'A disorderly mob is no more an army than a heap of building materials is a house.'
Xelios	Posted - 2006.03.27 17:27:00 - [50] Whatever, it's not the first time TS has burned us but it sure as hell will be the last. TS may laugh at the fact that they now have no chance whatsoever of a NAP in the future, but unless you guys plan on dissolving in the next couple months you can bet your very existance that this little piece of smack bait will catch up with you. Unfortunatly the people who have absolutely no idea what actually happened in situations like this are often the ones smacking the loudest. I'd advise everyone to take these posts with a huge grain of salt, but with "evidence" like that laughable chat log I think that's pretty obvious to begin with. That's all, flame on. Signature removed. -Zhuge ([email protected]) Woot.

The Enslaver	Posted - 2006.03.27 17:28:00 - [51] Pwnt... -------- Shinra Director
Toksin	Posted - 2006.03.27 17:29:00 - [52] Originally by: CtapikKozlodoyev IS IT POSSIBLE? BOB SHOVING THEMSELVES INTO YET ANOTHER UNRELATED THREAD? WTS: CAPS LOCK
PillowBit3r	Posted - 2006.03.27 17:29:00 - [53] Well i've read through the post , and i can't see any problem , whoever approached who your both still shooting each other right , nothings changed so why all the he said she said BS if thats what you both want ?
Tarri	Posted - 2006.03.27 17:33:00 - [54] Originally by: Kryztal omg lol look at SA yell and scream that TS came to them etc etc just read the log. Did Porc A approve of it though ? I mean im sure it needed to go through the Leader of SA, Porc A. Wow, what an intelligent joke.
cuncannon	Posted - 2006.03.27 17:34:00 - [55] Ill say one more thing u sa grunts need to ask your leadership what is happening and not jump to consultions like so many of you are doing
ponieus	Posted - 2006.03.27 17:41:00 - [56] Originally by: Colje Originally by: Bizarre Originally by: Kazim Only one thing I will say here and that is it's unbelievable how some people will behave in this game. That's directed to TS. You haven't met thebold, have you? Bizarre...make your own propaganda thread, and let us sort this. read my sig.. --------------------------------------------- Maybe we will win the war by getting every bob pilot banned from eve maybe.:/ --thebold
Dirtball	Posted - 2006.03.27 17:47:00 - [57] Originally by: Segrin Galva Looks like the BOB leash has been yanked... And TS settle at the feet of their masters beat me to it
dalman	Posted - 2006.03.27 17:55:00 - [58] YESSS!!!! Back to shooting 4tw \o/ Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
HatePeace LoveWar	Posted - 2006.03.27 18:00:00 - [59] Oh dear. Chimera & Fighter Sales
Kamikaze1	Posted - 2006.03.27 18:09:00 - [60] lolz dirty games 4tw pfffft @ TS Stain(TM)Brick Squad - Eliminates Every BoB

Dracorimus	Posted - 2006.03.27 18:12:00 - [61] hehehe nice one TS - Comin' at ya!
Sylic	Posted - 2006.03.27 18:17:00 - [62] Why would Tribal need a NAP with Stain you havnt faired that well .. A NAP with you wouldnt benifit us anyways as you have nothing to offer IMO. It all it would do is allow you to regroup even more . Oh well matters not
Toksin	Posted - 2006.03.27 18:18:00 - [63] Originally by: Sylic Why would Tribal need a NAP with Stain you havnt faired that well .. A NAP with you wouldnt benifit us anyways as you have nothing to offer IMO. It all it would do is allow you to regroup even more . Oh well matters not I feel for you.
eveceo1	Posted - 2006.03.27 18:18:00 - [64] Originally by: Dracorimus hehehe nice one TS The stench of BoB in this post is quite disgusting. This post has nothing to do with BoB yet they beat their chests over it lol. BOB 4TW! Bunch of annoying children. _______________ Yar!Ö
eveceo1	Posted - 2006.03.27 18:20:00 - [65] And as far as i can tell, Tribal Souls will die when BoB get bored an leave SA alone. Bad move TS, very bad move. _______________ Yar!Ö
Sylic	Posted - 2006.03.27 18:21:00 - [66] That stench is from the all night boozing at BoBs station and they give us free exotic dancers to boot .. you guys probaly just fondle refugees thanks BoB
rugg burne	Posted - 2006.03.27 18:23:00 - [67] Edited by: rugg burne on 27/03/2006 18:23:27 I wonder if what really happened, was: 1. TS kindly offered a NAP to SA. 2. SA sends their 'chief diplomat' Orc A to smooth out the details. 3. Orc A engages his stellar negotiating skills (probably offering TS to surrender somewhere in the process). 4. No NAP
Galavet	Posted - 2006.03.27 18:26:00 - [68] Originally by: eveceo1 Originally by: Dracorimus hehehe nice one TS The stench of BoB in this post is quite disgusting. This post has nothing to do with BoB yet they beat their chests over it lol. BOB 4TW! Bunch of annoying children. Did you go into that post thinking "Hmmm what is the most stupid thing I could possibly say?" He is not chest beating, he is saying "Nice one TS" anything else you add to it is of your own doing. If this is all it takes for you to think we are a "Bunch of annoying children" then I suggest you take a few steps back away from the computer and rediscover real life. Current RKK Ranking: (MIN100) CEO
eveceo1	Posted - 2006.03.27 18:28:00 - [69] Originally by: Galavet Originally by: eveceo1 Originally by: Dracorimus hehehe nice one TS The stench of BoB in this post is quite disgusting. This post has nothing to do with BoB yet they beat their chests over it lol. BOB 4TW! Bunch of annoying children. Did you go into that post thinking "Hmmm what is the most stupid thing I could possibly say?" He is not chest beating, he is saying "Nice one TS" anything else you add to it is of your own doing. If this is all it takes for you to think we are a "Bunch of annoying children" then I suggest you take a few steps back away from the computer and rediscover real life. This thread has nothing to do with BoB yet it is infected with BoB posts and continual drivel you are so fond of posting. I wish just for once the moderators would delete posts like that and ban the offender. _______________ Yar!Ö
Sylic	Posted - 2006.03.27 18:32:00 - [70] This thread has nothing to do with BoB yet it is infected with BoB posts and continual drivel you are so fond of posting. I wish just for once the moderators would delete posts like that and ban the offender. you said it 2 time BAN HIM !!!!!!!!!! BAN HIM !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sergeant Spot	Posted - 2006.03.27 18:34:00 - [71] Originally by: eveceo1 Originally by: Dracorimus hehehe nice one TS The stench of BoB in this post is quite disgusting. This post has nothing to do with BoB yet they beat their chests over it lol. BOB 4TW! Bunch of annoying children. Ignorance ftl If BoB is fighting an opponent, and someone else is fighting the same opponent, then it has something to do with BoB. What you said would be like saying that possible Soviet/German relations in 1944 had nothing to do with the U.S.A.
Galavet	Posted - 2006.03.27 18:34:00 - [72] Originally by: eveceo1 Originally by: Galavet Originally by: eveceo1 Originally by: Dracorimus hehehe nice one TS The stench of BoB in this post is quite disgusting. This post has nothing to do with BoB yet they beat their chests over it lol. BOB 4TW! Bunch of annoying children. Did you go into that post thinking "Hmmm what is the most stupid thing I could possibly say?" He is not chest beating, he is saying "Nice one TS" anything else you add to it is of your own doing. If this is all it takes for you to think we are a "Bunch of annoying children" then I suggest you take a few steps back away from the computer and rediscover real life. This thread has nothing to do with BoB yet it is infected with BoB posts and continual drivel you are so fond of posting. I wish just for once the moderators would delete posts like that and ban the offender. So your saying that by Draco expressing his pleasure with the TS announcement, and saying "hehehe nice on TS" he should be modded, or even better, banned from eve-online... Once again I urge you to back away from the PC and let the blood pressure come down to normal. By the way, I am having the fanboi application papers faxed directly to Revival HQ, you should get them shortly. Current RKK Ranking: (MIN100) CEO
Randay	Posted - 2006.03.27 18:37:00 - [73] I just got one thing to say to all of you: Hurry up already, you guys are taking so long. ------------------------------------------- "Det hSr kan betyda krig!"
Random	Posted - 2006.03.27 18:43:00 - [74] Edited by: Random on 27/03/2006 18:44:50 Hahahahah TS are so much beter than bob at this forum war thingy.... We totaly walked in to that one.. GG TS. Now bob are only good at whining and making funny banners...
ChingChong Stoner	Posted - 2006.03.27 18:47:00 - [75] Originally by: Sylic Why would Tribal need a NAP with Stain you havnt faired that well .. A NAP with you wouldnt benifit us anyways as you have nothing to offer IMO. It all it would do is allow you to regroup even more . Oh well matters not the NAP was offered to SA from TS because TS are sure that they will be at war with ASCN very soon. Just ask ASCN and TS who owns the C-PEW system. TS are backing out of a NAP they offered because they found out that their friends didnt like it and it made them look weak. I think it just shows their true colors.
ponieus	Posted - 2006.03.27 18:51:00 - [76] Originally by: Random Edited by: Random on 27/03/2006 18:44:50 Hahahahah TS are so much beter than bob at this forum war thingy.... We totaly walked in to that one.. GG TS. Now bob are only good at whining and making funny banners... atleast we are good at something.. but thanks for thinking of us yet agian. without our Loyal Followers we would be nothing.. Feel free to drop our name into every post of yours.. --------------------------------------------- Maybe we will win the war by getting every bob pilot banned from eve maybe.:/ --thebold
Fraps	Posted - 2006.03.27 18:56:00 - [77] Can't we all just get along woot I posted in a popular thread
Gibmundur	Posted - 2006.03.27 19:06:00 - [78] trigger thebold orca are all my alts btw, so if any1 wants to speak about sa mail me
Lurks Amarr	Posted - 2006.03.27 19:07:00 - [79] Originally by: ChingChong Stoner the NAP was offered to SA from TS because TS are sure that they will be at war with ASCN very soon. Just ask ASCN and TS who owns the C-PEW system. TS are backing out of a NAP they offered because they found out that their friends didnt like it and it made them look weak. I think it just shows their true colors. Mister Stoner, Tribal Souls did not offer a NAP to SA, Trigger was the one that wanted to open up talks regarding the matter, at the point in time I ordered a Temporary Cessation of Hostilities pending further talks of the Tribal Leadership regarding the matter. As for the ownership of C-PEWN system it is currently neither Tribal Souls nor ASCN space. As for yourself Mister Stoner you could at least have the decency to post with your main character rather than a (at the time of writing) 17 day old alt in a n00b corp
Beringe	Posted - 2006.03.27 19:22:00 - [80] Who cares about who wanted to start talks? If there is genuine interest in stopping a war, talks always start. I find it incredibly petty to try to "blame" someone for attempting peace talks, whoever it was. ------------------------------------------- "Never underestimate the power of language." --Daitan Beringe, honorary director in charge of bottles--

Kamikaze1	Posted - 2006.03.27 19:34:00 - [81] please Ts who wants a nap with u guys ? dirty miners Stain(TM)Brick Squad - Eliminates Every BoB
Goberth Ludwig	Posted - 2006.03.27 19:38:00 - [82] Originally by: rugg burne Edited by: rugg burne on 27/03/2006 18:23:27 I wonder if what really happened, was: 1. TS kindly offered a NAP to SA. 2. SA sends their 'chief diplomat' Orc A to smooth out the details. 3. Orc A engages his stellar negotiating skills (probably offering TS to surrender somewhere in the process). 4. No NAP rofl - Gob (my nubie attempt at a forum sig, bare with me plz :p)
sMoKe AU	Posted - 2006.03.27 19:42:00 - [83] Due to the SA fleet entering Paragon Soul and attacking one of our pilots the Cease Fire is terminated immediately. You lived up to expectations guys thanks for that :D sMoKe AU
IcedBach Jr	Posted - 2006.03.27 19:47:00 - [84] wtf are you on down there, those veldpsar rocks must be fuming smth bad. U declared us hostile way up there in the post already although NAP had been aggreed on. WTB a compass for TS Praeludium to success
FrioBebe	Posted - 2006.03.27 19:48:00 - [85] Originally by: sMoKe AU Upon a Leadership meeting it has been decided that we do not wish to end hostilities with SA and therefore effective downtime 28/03/2006 our standings will be reset to -10.
Lurks Amarr	Posted - 2006.03.27 19:49:00 - [86] Websters Dictionary: Stain: A discolored or soiled spot or smudge. A blemish on one's moral character or reputation. Fits quite nicely right now
thebold	Posted - 2006.03.27 19:49:00 - [87] 2006.03.27 19:47 Tribal Souls has declared war on Stain- Alliance. After 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those involved. haha fresh meaT!
Kamikaze1	Posted - 2006.03.27 19:53:00 - [88] sMoKe AU nice kestrel in your sig.. shame that u cant put miners on it Stain(TM)Brick Squad - Eliminates Every BoB
Toksin	Posted - 2006.03.27 19:54:00 - [89] Originally by: Lurks Amarr Websters Dictionary: Stain: A discolored or soiled spot or smudge. A blemish on one's moral character or reputation. Fits quite nicely right now Eve Dictionary Tribal Souls: The loyal followerss of all thing BoB, and faithful bandwagon jumper-ons. With smack, comes smack. ------ My views do not reflect the views of my corp, or my own views. --------------- My views do not reflect the views of my corp, or my own views.
Tweety Bird	Posted - 2006.03.27 19:55:00 - [90] 2006.03.27 19:47 Tribal Souls has declared war on Stain- Alliance. After 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those involved. \o/ agil wil be fun again ------------------------------------------------------------ Proud Owner of 4 150mm II railgun bpo's

Riddlock	Posted - 2006.03.27 19:56:00 - [91] the only thing worth reading is the war dec :)
H3ndrix	Posted - 2006.03.27 19:56:00 - [92] Go on boldylocks hit the mutual button, I dare ya
DarkZaion	Posted - 2006.03.27 19:57:00 - [93] Originally by: Riddlock the only thing worth reading is the war dec :) hehe riddlock will u come down to fight?
Lurks Amarr	Posted - 2006.03.27 19:58:00 - [94] Originally by: FrioBebe Originally by: sMoKe AU Upon a Leadership meeting it has been decided that we do not wish to end hostilities with SA and therefore effective downtime 28/03/2006 our standings will be reset to -10. I notice you forgot to bold this part of the text "and therefore effective downtime 28/03/2006 our standings will be reset to -10" so if you work it out properly you still had over 15 hours of a Cease Fire in place before the resumption of hostilities but I guess in the end Stain- Alliance had to get premature cause they just couldn't wait.
End Yourself	Posted - 2006.03.27 19:58:00 - [95] c'mon SA, mutual pls >_<
pshepherd	Posted - 2006.03.27 20:03:00 - [96] Originally by: End Yourself c'mon SA, mutual pls >_< please, we keep loosing freightors and can't afford a long term war
Mauxir	Posted - 2006.03.27 20:03:00 - [97] Edited by: Mauxir on 27/03/2006 20:03:29 Scum get no quarter. And pay the bill you cheap bastards.
Divine Vengeance	Posted - 2006.03.27 20:04:00 - [98] Originally by: Lurks Amarr I notice you forgot to bold this part of the text "and therefore effective downtime 28/03/2006 our standings will be reset to -10" so if you work it out properly you still had over 15 hours of a Cease Fire in place before the resumption of hostilities but I guess in the end Stain- Alliance had to get premature cause they just couldn't wait. You made the mistake of giving SA the benefit of the doubt in reading comprehension.
kRaZyBrIt	Posted - 2006.03.27 20:06:00 - [99] Edited by: kRaZyBrIt on 27/03/2006 20:07:13 Edited by: kRaZyBrIt on 27/03/2006 20:06:41 No mutal , well I guess SA havnt the brainpower to work out where that button is
cuncannon	Posted - 2006.03.27 20:08:00 - [100] So who breaks agreements first then!, Tribal did say did say after dt tomorrow but as we can see SA are trigger happy and desided to come play at getting killed early. This was also said in a ts meating we had with the bold ill upload this unedited version on www.eve-files.com shortly (Shivan was also recording the ts convo so he can also say its unedited in anyway) As i type this The bold and co are in k-6k16 with 6 others

cuncannon	Posted - 2006.03.27 20:08:00 - [101] So who breaks agreements first then!, Tribal did say did say after dt tomorrow but as we can see SA are trigger happy and desided to come play at getting killed early. This was also said in a ts meating we had with the bold ill upload this unedited version on www.eve-files.com shortly (Shivan was also recording the ts convo so he can also say its unedited in anyway) As i type this The bold and co are in k-6k16 with 6 others
Mauxir	Posted - 2006.03.27 20:10:00 - [102] Thats not true we are in Agil everybody knows that.
Mauxir	Posted - 2006.03.27 20:10:00 - [103] Thats not true we are in Agil everybody knows that.
IcedBach Jr	Posted - 2006.03.27 20:12:00 - [104] wait, lets get this straight, you declare us hostile after dt tomorrow? and we are just obliged to wait till then because you said so. We aggreed NAP you decide, noooo, its no good you get ****ed off cause you get ganked??? and who the hell do you think noticed that dt tomorrow bit. Praeludium to success
IcedBach Jr	Posted - 2006.03.27 20:12:00 - [105] wait, lets get this straight, you declare us hostile after dt tomorrow? and we are just obliged to wait till then because you said so. We aggreed NAP you decide, noooo, its no good you get ****ed off cause you get ganked??? and who the hell do you think noticed that dt tomorrow bit. Praeludium to success
cuncannon	Posted - 2006.03.27 20:13:00 - [106] lol ask Psionis where he is think hes looking for my alt lol
Dao 2	Posted - 2006.03.27 20:13:00 - [107] Edited by: Dao 2 on 27/03/2006 20:13:27 the ppl that as screaming for SA to make it neutral are retarded :\| edit: extremely retarded ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p) the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that Also the gal
Nick Curso	Posted - 2006.03.27 20:13:00 - [108] How about reading the date on that log? waas half a month ago and the latest cese fire trigger had nothing to do with it he logged on last night and wasnt too pleased this is bull****. As i know it a TS diplo jumped on SA ts and asked for bold or trigger i think and then the cese fire was agreed. TBH we were quite happy shooting tribal we had no reason to want a nap.
Nick Curso	Posted - 2006.03.27 20:13:00 - [109] How about reading the date on that log? waas half a month ago and the latest cese fire trigger had nothing to do with it he logged on last night and wasnt too pleased this is bull****. As i know it a TS diplo jumped on SA ts and asked for bold or trigger i think and then the cese fire was agreed. TBH we were quite happy shooting tribal we had no reason to want a nap.
fairimear	Posted - 2006.03.27 20:22:00 - [110] Edited by: fairimear on 27/03/2006 20:23:24 ok i been out of game for 1 1/2 months and frankly it astounds me how much BS people who 1.Should know better AND 2.People who had not even been around/involved in the original events spit out. i have no idea whats going on today or over this individual subject but the first thing i see in Alliance chat is "SA gang just ganked my raven" followed by "thats it the cease fires over". and in responce to multiple people who do nothing but add crap to the subject (people not in any of the involved alliances, and people new to these alliance who can't possibly know the facts). SA BETRAYED ALL OF IT'S SOTHERN CORP AT THE END OF THE LAST MAJOUR G INCURSION, WHEN THE SA FLEET CORPS IN THE NORTHERN AREAS DECIDED TO NOLONGER DEFEND ESTORIA AND PS LEAVING THEM TO FEND FOR THEMSELFS. That was the reason behind TS siding with bob and fix. so suck it up and get on with it and stop lieing(that goes for TS,BOB AND FIX members to).

kRaZyBrIt	Posted - 2006.03.27 20:23:00 - [111] Quote: log? waas half a month ago Dosnt change the fact that trigger contacted us asking for a end to hostilities
thebold	Posted - 2006.03.27 20:25:00 - [112] Originally by: fairimear SA BETRAYED ALL OF IT'S SOTHERN CORP AT THE END OF THE LAST MAJOUR G INCURSION, WHEN THE SA FLEET CORPS IN THE NORTHERN AREAS DECIDED TO NOLONGER DEFEND ESTORIA AND PSLEAVING THEM TO FEND FOR THEMSELFS. So myself trying to rally the support of setenta oberon and northern corps and commanding what fleet we had.. that was all a imagination for you? o thats right you was to bussy in omist sucking on rocks.. i remember perfectly now. but lag won that war tbh=/
Riddlock	Posted - 2006.03.27 20:26:00 - [113] dark noob zion is the man ! we shall gang together and kill some pesky nothern's ;) . but well ... those politics, see ya all in agil , and tweety dont be so bitter your my favourite bird from eve online :)
Riddlock	Posted - 2006.03.27 20:27:00 - [114] Originally by: thebold Originally by: fairimear SA BETRAYED ALL OF IT'S SOTHERN CORP AT THE END OF THE LAST MAJOUR G INCURSION, WHEN THE SA FLEET CORPS IN THE NORTHERN AREAS DECIDED TO NOLONGER DEFEND ESTORIA AND PSLEAVING THEM TO FEND FOR THEMSELFS. So myself trying to rally the support of setenta oberon and northern corps and commanding what fleet we had.. that was all a imagination for you? o thats right you was to bussy in omist sucking on rocks.. i remember perfectly now. but lag won that war tbh=/ boldy, post with your main !!!! anyway , you shall teach your youngster forumwarriors some basic things boldy
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2006.03.27 20:30:00 - [115] I don't think it matters who went around looking for a NAP first, what happened is Stain Alliance entered talks with TS. Thats something they swore they would never do, am I right? Of course I'm right. Then it ended with TRIGGER being called wrong by his co-CEO or whatever title thebold seems to have in MASS, along with TS giving you guys the collective middle finger with that tasty war declaration. All in all, dissed and dismissed! Purchasing Complex Fullerene Shards, contact me ingame.
fairimear	Posted - 2006.03.27 20:32:00 - [116] Edited by: fairimear on 27/03/2006 20:34:39 bold u was the one who lead that suicidal pincer atack into C9N, You remember the one where we outnumbered G 2/1 and you jumped half the fleet into the gate with them on and they got slaughtered, all this well the rest of us sat on the south gate waiting for your orders. or that time we was 1 jump from amarr and you decided to take on a domi and 2 cruisers with 2 cruisers and 3-4 frigs, ceptors and af's. Every single op i went on with you lead to you going suicide on the nme and frankly you did't exactly hide the fact you was trigger happy. And and perhaps oberon and the others would have been more helpfull if half the pvp did't sit hunting in gmek. when it comes down toit, SA Took the step to cut them off.
IcedBach Jr	Posted - 2006.03.27 20:41:00 - [117] STC were the only corp to ever raise a finger against G, and who are you coming and critizing ppl, especially Bold, who has lead more fleets to victory than most ppl in this game. Oberon never did anything that didnt involve their precious outpost, and the rest of you, bah........... How about you log into the game you are posting about. Praeludium to success
thebold	Posted - 2006.03.27 20:41:00 - [118] fam oberon jumped in and got lagged out and we jumped in our side and got lagged out the slaughter was only because of retarded ctds and lags doesnt matter the tactic was sound the servers were not movin on hf in empire
thebold	Posted - 2006.03.27 20:43:00 - [119] Originally by: Riddlock boldy, post with your main !!!! anyway , you shall teach your youngster forumwarriors some basic things boldy ahh i love my guys most of them dont come here i do to defend myself and others but hey .. i remember you well ridlock bbasty shot up my deimos :D fix got it latter on ;( Funy thing is it was tepping razer that killed me he flew with me and left to join FIX for some odd reason O_o And digital im just a mass member thx im no one special, just because i post on forums allot doesnt make me official does it :)
Gort	Posted - 2006.03.27 20:43:00 - [120] Originally by: Sylic Why would Tribal need a NAP with Stain you havnt faired that well .. A NAP with you wouldnt benifit us anyways as you have nothing to offer IMO. It all it would do is allow you to regroup even more . Oh well matters not We watched your minimally escorted TS freighter move through Delve last night, honoring the potential NAP. Now that TS got its freighter got through to empire, the NAP's off. Talk is cheap and smack is worthless. Follow the actions to get the whys. Regards, Gort Reports of SA's demise have been greatly exaggerated.

Calisto Cody	Posted - 2006.03.27 20:44:00 - [121] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Originally by: rugg burne Edited by: rugg burne on 27/03/2006 18:23:27 I wonder if what really happened, was: 1. TS kindly offered a NAP to SA. 2. SA sends their 'chief diplomat' Orc A to smooth out the details. 3. Orc A engages his stellar negotiating skills (probably offering TS to surrender somewhere in the process). 4. No NAP rofl LMAO The Black Swan Society Berneh is not appropriate for the forums -
Ku'Gras	Posted - 2006.03.27 20:50:00 - [122] Originally by: fairimear Edited by: fairimear on 27/03/2006 20:34:39 bold u was the one who lead that suicidal pincer atack into C9N, You remember the one where we outnumbered G 2/1 and you jumped half the fleet into the gate with them on and they got slaughtered, all this well the rest of us sat on the south gate waiting for your orders. or that time we was 1 jump from amarr and you decided to take on a domi and 2 cruisers with 2 cruisers and 3-4 frigs, ceptors and af's. Every single op i went on with you lead to you going suicide on the nme and frankly you did't exactly hide the fact you was trigger happy. I highly doubt there's a reason to call thebold incompetent as an FC, and even if it would be it's very low to bring up such a thing. Originally by: DigitalCommunist I don't think it matters who went around looking for a NAP first, what happened is Stain Alliance entered talks with TS. Thats something they swore they would never do, am I right? Of course I'm right. Then it ended with TRIGGER being called wrong by his co-CEO or whatever title thebold seems to have in MASS, along with TS giving you guys the collective middle finger with that tasty war declaration. All in all, dissed and dismissed! Don't read all the other posts in this thread. DigitalCommunist sums it up excellently and I once again wishes I was as sharp as him.
Rutoo	Posted - 2006.03.27 20:56:00 - [123] Originally by: kRaZyBrIt Quote: log? waas half a month ago Dosnt change the fact that trigger contacted us asking for a end to hostilities Maybe thats because Tigger doesn't like shooting people who he thought was his friends. Some poeple in STC have long standing ties with MASS/Other SA Corps. Also with Freelancers ink (Since at the time they where the ones living in Paragon Soul.) Again it was always SE/SA's Strength that the North/South would always come and help eachother when in need. Which was Proven During the SMASH Wars. Yes, G/Iron/Razor Came in and took C9N, Which Basicly Cut North from South and it became hard to defend. While STC actually for a while was thinking it would be better to create own allience after the SE/SA Thing. This just gave them the chance. Which we left on Good Terms. And then in Short This Happened FIX: Set SA to Netrual SA: Says we use corridor also, setting us to 0 is bad idea FIX: Kills a couple SA ships SA: Beats FIX to the point where they are breaking up, BOB: Okay Thats Enough, Don't Kill FIX SA: Fark you BOB where were you when FIX set us to 0 BOB: Now listen here you better or else ORCA: Here are my terms FIX&BOB: Fark that idea. Here are the real Terms SA: So FIX Declares us KOS? and we are suppose to pretend nothing happened? BOB&FIX: Yup TRIBE: Wheres the Veldspar? SA: Well Screw that, Brings Fleet to Delve in Protest SA: Fed up with Bob Delcares war. BOB: Fourm Warriors ACTIVATE! TRIBE: After reading Bobs propaganda, we have to Agree, hey look theres a bandwagon. SA: Tribe? Why are you even in this it doesn't concern you at all TRIBE: Fark you Brings Fleet to Stain Gets a few Kills SA: Ohh it's on. VC to SA: Pssst i found 6 Tribe frieghtors wanna have some fun? TRIBE: Ohh no my Veldspar BoB: Says nothing about the Above incident. TRIBE: *uslessly Attacks POS belonging to SA TRIBE: haha we 0wned yoo SA: Okay Whatever.... To be continueded ________________________________ Club Seals Not Sandwichs
UnIQu3	Posted - 2006.03.27 21:14:00 - [124] Originally by: Rutoo And then in Short This Happened FIX: Set SA to Netrual SA: Says we use corridor also, setting us to 0 is bad idea FIX: Kills a couple SA ships SA: Beats FIX to the point where they are breaking up, BOB: Okay Thats Enough, Don't Kill FIX SA: Fark you BOB where were you when FIX set us to 0 BOB: Now listen here you better or else ORCA: Here are my terms FIX&BOB: Fark that idea. Here are the real Terms SA: So FIX Declares us KOS? and we are suppose to pretend nothing happened? BOB&FIX: Yup TRIBE: Wheres the Veldspar? SA: Well Screw that, Brings Fleet to Delve in Protest SA: Fed up with Bob Delcares war. BOB: Fourm Warriors ACTIVATE! TRIBE: After reading Bobs propaganda, we have to Agree, hey look theres a bandwagon. SA: Tribe? Why are you even in this it doesn't concern you at all TRIBE: Fark you Brings Fleet to Stain Gets a few Kills SA: Ohh it's on. VC to SA: Pssst i found 6 Tribe frieghtors wanna have some fun? TRIBE: Ohh no my Veldspar BoB: Says nothing about the Above incident. TRIBE: *uslessly Attacks POS belonging to SA TRIBE: haha we 0wned yoo SA: Okay Whatever.... To be continueded OMG Priceless!!!
King Chong	Posted - 2006.03.27 21:17:00 - [125] Originally by: Rutoo Originally by: kRaZyBrIt Quote: log? waas half a month ago Dosnt change the fact that trigger contacted us asking for a end to hostilities Maybe thats because Tigger doesn't like shooting people who he thought was his friends. Some poeple in STC have long standing ties with MASS/Other SA Corps. Also with Freelancers ink (Since at the time they where the ones living in Paragon Soul.) Again it was always SE/SA's Strength that the North/South would always come and help eachother when in need. Which was Proven During the SMASH Wars. Yes, G/Iron/Razor Came in and took C9N, Which Basicly Cut North from South and it became hard to defend. While STC actually for a while was thinking it would be better to create own allience after the SE/SA Thing. This just gave them the chance. Which we left on Good Terms. And then in Short This Happened FIX: Set SA to Netrual SA: Says we use corridor also, setting us to 0 is bad idea FIX: Kills a couple SA ships SA: Beats FIX to the point where they are breaking up, BOB: Okay Thats Enough, Don't Kill FIX SA: Fark you BOB where were you when FIX set us to 0 BOB: Now listen here you better or else ORCA: Here are my terms FIX&BOB: Fark that idea. Here are the real Terms SA: So FIX Declares us KOS? and we are suppose to pretend nothing happened? BOB&FIX: Yup TRIBE: Wheres the Veldspar? SA: Well Screw that, Brings Fleet to Delve in Protest SA: Fed up with Bob Delcares war. BOB: Fourm Warriors ACTIVATE! TRIBE: After reading Bobs propaganda, we have to Agree, hey look theres a bandwagon. SA: Tribe? Why are you even in this it doesn't concern you at all TRIBE: Fark you Brings Fleet to Stain Gets a few Kills SA: Ohh it's on. VC to SA: Pssst i found 6 Tribe frieghtors wanna have some fun? TRIBE: Ohh no my Veldspar BoB: Says nothing about the Above incident. TRIBE: *uslessly Attacks POS belonging to SA TRIBE: haha we 0wned yoo SA: Okay Whatever.... To be continueded Love it Also the point when there was numerous threads saying that SA will die soon and that they havent yet!
slip66	Posted - 2006.03.27 21:30:00 - [126] Originally by: Orc A Thats Orcy Porky for you, Mr. lol, you gotta admit she was creative there. Originally by: StOrM ViPeR Theres a skill called surgical strike in game I've learned that it actually stands for Band of Brothers
Naverin	Posted - 2006.03.27 21:37:00 - [127] Quote: TRIBE: Wheres the Veldspar? Sorry that was me :/ ______________________ I am the carebear... who doesnt use the "Correct Dread"
ChingChong Stoner	Posted - 2006.03.27 21:59:00 - [128] Originally by: Lurks Amarr Originally by: ChingChong Stoner the NAP was offered to SA from TS because TS are sure that they will be at war with ASCN very soon. Just ask ASCN and TS who owns the C-PEW system. TS are backing out of a NAP they offered because they found out that their friends didnt like it and it made them look weak. I think it just shows their true colors. Mister Stoner, Tribal Souls did not offer a NAP to SA, Trigger was the one that wanted to open up talks regarding the matter, at the point in time I ordered a Temporary Cessation of Hostilities pending further talks of the Tribal Leadership regarding the matter. As for the ownership of C-PEWN system it is currently neither Tribal Souls nor ASCN space. As for yourself Mister Stoner you could at least have the decency to post with your main character rather than a (at the time of writing) 17 day old alt in a n00b corp You sir are a liar. Trigger talked with Dufas on the 13th. TS asked for the NAP yesterday. so shove that "at that point in time" junk where lies go.
Ab Initio	Posted - 2006.03.27 22:02:00 - [129] Edited by: Ab Initio on 27/03/2006 22:03:55 Originally by: Rutoo Input from Rutoo, master historian. :) Like any alliance, we have both pvpers and an industrial contingent. Rutoo may have been exposed more to the later during his time in Tribe, but we aren't all strip miner weilding veld fiends.
Kryztal	Posted - 2006.03.27 22:05:00 - [130] I just think its strange how Trigger has lost control both of his alliance and his corp. Seems people just talk down to him etc. Once greatly respected leader thats now beeing belittled by his own people. Good on ya Black Nova Corp Bob(TM) Brand Bleach - Eliminates Every Stain

La Mila	Posted - 2006.03.27 22:09:00 - [131] Originally by: sMoKe AU Upon a Leadership meeting it has been decided that we do not wish to end hostilities with SA and therefore effective downtime 28/03/2006 our standings will be reset to -10. sMoKe AU you mean you'll remain target practice for SA pilots to TWD : main to Gaia's wraith : still waiting for you to come and kill me
Darpz	Posted - 2006.03.27 22:11:00 - [132] Originally by: Rutoo Originally by: kRaZyBrIt Quote: log? waas half a month ago Dosnt change the fact that trigger contacted us asking for a end to hostilities Maybe thats because Tigger doesn't like shooting people who he thought was his friends. Some poeple in STC have long standing ties with MASS/Other SA Corps. Also with Freelancers ink (Since at the time they where the ones living in Paragon Soul.) Again it was always SE/SA's Strength that the North/South would always come and help eachother when in need. Which was Proven During the SMASH Wars. Yes, G/Iron/Razor Came in and took C9N, Which Basicly Cut North from South and it became hard to defend. While STC actually for a while was thinking it would be better to create own allience after the SE/SA Thing. This just gave them the chance. Which we left on Good Terms. And then in Short This Happened FIX: Set SA to Netrual SA: Says we use corridor also, setting us to 0 is bad idea FIX: Kills a couple SA ships SA: Beats FIX to the point where they are breaking up, BOB: Okay Thats Enough, Don't Kill FIX SA: Fark you BOB where were you when FIX set us to 0 BOB: Now listen here you better or else ORCA: Here are my terms FIX&BOB: Fark that idea. Here are the real Terms SA: So FIX Declares us KOS? and we are suppose to pretend nothing happened? BOB&FIX: Yup TRIBE: Wheres the Veldspar? SA: Well Screw that, Brings Fleet to Delve in Protest SA: Fed up with Bob Delcares war. BOB: Fourm Warriors ACTIVATE! TRIBE: After reading Bobs propaganda, we have to Agree, hey look theres a bandwagon. SA: Tribe? Why are you even in this it doesn't concern you at all TRIBE: Fark you Brings Fleet to Stain Gets a few Kills SA: Ohh it's on. VC to SA: Pssst i found 6 Tribe frieghtors wanna have some fun? TRIBE: Ohh no my Veldspar BoB: Says nothing about the Above incident. TRIBE: *uslessly Attacks POS belonging to SA TRIBE: haha we 0wned yoo SA: Okay Whatever.... To be continueded lol, this is about the most acurate account of what happend i've seen The only good fix is a DEAD fix
Elgin Marble	Posted - 2006.03.27 22:19:00 - [133] Actually This Happened SA: Shoots FIX in Catch FIX: Set SA to Neutral SA: Says no way, replies with -10 FIX: Defends FAT against SA/KAOS/HUZZAH/IMP SA: Captures FAT after POS race FIX: agrees to BoB brokered ceasefire SA: demands changes to the ceasefire FIX: Fark you SA: Attacks BoB FIX: re-takes FIX BoB: Attacks SA HUZZAH: Shuffles away from SA after that you've been a victim of your own making. Bad decisions = broken alliance.
Torment	Posted - 2006.03.27 22:30:00 - [134] To be honest im sad to see anything that Trigger writes, or anyone for that matter in private chat brought to these forums,but it seems all the rage at the mo And Farimir Thebold has been and still is 1 of the best fleet leaders ingame...until you lead 1 maybe you should sort of shut it. Now as for TS,as i said on our teamspeak earlier...ive always wanted a outpost,yours will do nicely.
King Chong	Posted - 2006.03.27 22:31:00 - [135] Originally by: Elgin Marble Actually This Happened SA: Just takes a little stroll through catch FIX: Set SA to Neutral SA: Says no way, replies with -10 FIX: Defends FAT against SA/HUZZAH SA: Captures FAT after POS race FIX: sit in station and eat cookies and crys to uncle BoB SA: Enter into Talks with FIX over their surrender FIX: tell them to fark off BoB: tells SA to leave FIX alone and orders a ceasefire FIX: agrees to BoB brokered ceasefire FIX to SA: :-p SA: SA: tell bob to Fark off FIX: Fark you SA: Attacks BoB FIX: re-takes FIX with the help of MC BoB: Start claiming on forums that SA will die within 2 weeks BoB: Takes over stain going "ha ha we win" SA: Sends a postcard to stain from Delve I've edited it from my viewpoints
BloodSpoon	Posted - 2006.03.27 22:41:00 - [136] Originally by: Rutoo Originally by: kRaZyBrIt Quote: log? waas half a month ago Dosnt change the fact that trigger contacted us asking for a end to hostilities Maybe thats because Tigger doesn't like shooting people who he thought was his friends. Some poeple in STC have long standing ties with MASS/Other SA Corps. Also with Freelancers ink (Since at the time they where the ones living in Paragon Soul.) Again it was always SE/SA's Strength that the North/South would always come and help eachother when in need. Which was Proven During the SMASH Wars. Yes, G/Iron/Razor Came in and took C9N, Which Basicly Cut North from South and it became hard to defend. While STC actually for a while was thinking it would be better to create own allience after the SE/SA Thing. This just gave them the chance. Which we left on Good Terms. And then in Short This Happened FIX: Set SA to Netrual SA: Says we use corridor also, setting us to 0 is bad idea FIX: Kills a couple SA ships SA: Beats FIX to the point where they are breaking up, BOB: Okay Thats Enough, Don't Kill FIX SA: Fark you BOB where were you when FIX set us to 0 BOB: Now listen here you better or else ORCA: Here are my terms FIX&BOB: Fark that idea. Here are the real Terms SA: So FIX Declares us KOS? and we are suppose to pretend nothing happened? BOB&FIX: Yup TRIBE: Wheres the Veldspar? SA: Well Screw that, Brings Fleet to Delve in Protest SA: Fed up with Bob Delcares war. BOB: Fourm Warriors ACTIVATE! TRIBE: After reading Bobs propaganda, we have to Agree, hey look theres a bandwagon. SA: Tribe? Why are you even in this it doesn't concern you at all TRIBE: Fark you Brings Fleet to Stain Gets a few Kills SA: Ohh it's on. VC to SA: Pssst i found 6 Tribe frieghtors wanna have some fun? TRIBE: Ohh no my Veldspar BoB: Says nothing about the Above incident. TRIBE: *uslessly Attacks POS belonging to SA TRIBE: haha we 0wned yoo SA: Okay Whatever.... To be continueded priceless...
TRIGGER	Posted - 2006.03.27 22:44:00 - [137] I laugh . The logs show that I spoke to a very old friend in passing and expressed a personal opinion regarding a certian matter , and whether it was when sa lost an un-used pos that was lost is totally non of my concern . Since this chat in local (over a week ago)I had recieved no further mails or requests to talk from TS regarding this matter . TS requested a ceasfire on SA Teamspeak in my absence and I was told that it was agreed to because I had approached them for a nap at which point I made it quite clear there was to be no NAP or ceasefire at this time . As for the bob pilots that seem to be pro-active in "dribble mode" please continue .
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.03.27 22:51:00 - [138] Originally by: Elgin Marble Actually This Happened SA: Shoots FIX in Catch FIX: Set SA to Neutral SA: Says no way, replies with -10 FIX: Defends FAT against SA/KAOS/HUZZAH/IMP SA: Captures FAT after POS race FIX: agrees to BoB brokered ceasefire SA: demands changes to the ceasefire FIX: Fark you SA: Attacks BoB FIX: re-takes FAT BoB: Attacks SA HUZZAH: Shuffles away from SA come on now, nobody wants to read the truth on the eve-o forums Originally by: Tuxford we look at them say "wow autocannons sure do suck,... oh well lets go boost amarr".
Hinkledolph	Posted - 2006.03.27 22:51:00 - [139] Originally by: Torment To be honest im sad to see anything that Trigger writes, or anyone for that matter in private chat brought to these forums,but it seems all the rage at the mo And Farimir Thebold has been and still is 1 of the best fleet leaders ingame...until you lead 1 maybe you should sort of shut it. Now as for TS,as i said on our teamspeak earlier...ive always wanted a outpost,yours will do nicely. You guys might want to learn how to defend a POS before stepping up to defending an outpost.
Ab Initio	Posted - 2006.03.27 22:56:00 - [140] Originally by: ChingChong Stoner the NAP was offered to SA from TS because TS are sure that they will be at war with ASCN very soon. Just ask ASCN and TS who owns the C-PEW system. TS are backing out of a NAP they offered because they found out that their friends didnt like it and it made them look weak. I think it just shows their true colors. ASCN have changed there standings towards us which is there perogative, but both Tribe and ASCN have each other at positive standings still. Im sure with representitives such as Cyvok and Smoke AU at the table, an amicable solution to any growing pains can be found. As for the the ending of the cease fire, it was a Tribe decision free from external influences. We have enjoyed fighting SA, let it continue :)

Rutoo	Posted - 2006.03.27 23:05:00 - [141] Originally by: Ab Initio Originally by: ChingChong Stoner the NAP was offered to SA from TS because TS are sure that they will be at war with ASCN very soon. Just ask ASCN and TS who owns the C-PEW system. TS are backing out of a NAP they offered because they found out that their friends didnt like it and it made them look weak. I think it just shows their true colors. ASCN have changed there standings towards us which is there perogative, but both Tribe and ASCN have each other at positive standings still. Im sure with representitives such as Cyvok and Smoke AU at the table, an amicable solution to any growing pains can be found. As for the the ending of the cease fire, it was a Tribe decision free from external influences. We have enjoyed fighting SA, let it continue :) No Actually Last time Smoke Au Made an anoucment about another Allience (Refering to the SA set to Negitive) TRIBE lost 6 frieghtors, so he really has a proven track record. yet if he and the rest of the leadership stayed out of it, it would have never happened. funny ________________________________ Club Seals Not Sandwichs
Sicex	Posted - 2006.03.27 23:08:00 - [142] And why does BoB allow Stain to exist in Delve? Am I missing something here?
FolkoDemon	Posted - 2006.03.27 23:11:00 - [143] Originally by: Hinkledolph Originally by: Torment To be honest im sad to see anything that Trigger writes, or anyone for that matter in private chat brought to these forums,but it seems all the rage at the mo And Farimir Thebold has been and still is 1 of the best fleet leaders ingame...until you lead 1 maybe you should sort of shut it. Now as for TS,as i said on our teamspeak earlier...ive always wanted a outpost,yours will do nicely. You guys might want to learn how to defend a POS before stepping up to defending an outpost. To you, and guy before who said SA betrayed south. Found some short logs bout todays TS defending Oberon during G invasion: captured in MP5: [ 2005.11.08 19:44:55 ] FolkoDemon > guys, i suggest all of u get your pvp fits on. [ 2005.11.08 19:45:31 ] Tecron > ? [ 2005.11.08 19:45:48 ] Tecron > why? [ 2005.11.08 19:46:13 ] FolkoDemon > G placed 17 POSes in 16p [ 2005.11.08 19:46:24 ] FolkoDemon > I think there will be orders to move there soon. [ 2005.11.08 19:46:30 ] Tecron > r u for real? [ 2005.11.08 19:46:38 ] Tecron > 17 poses?! [ 2005.11.08 19:46:40 ] FolkoDemon > check alliance mail, from DED [ 2005.11.08 19:47:08 ] Tecron > jezz.. [ 2005.11.08 19:52:17 ] FolkoDemon > dude, leave that barge [ 2005.11.08 19:52:53 ] Darkened Skies > what are you locking me for [ 2005.11.08 19:53:14 ] FolkoDemon > ffs, enemy will be taking our stations and u're in BARGE? [ 2005.11.08 19:53:48 ] Darkened Skies > how can they take the station with out sov [ 2005.11.08 19:54:04 ] FolkoDemon > they just placed 17 POSes... [ 2005.11.08 19:54:09 ] Darkened Skies > and dont see anyone else keeping the pos fulled [ 2005.11.08 19:54:13 ] Darkened Skies > where [ 2005.11.08 19:54:20 ] FolkoDemon > in 16p [ 2005.11.08 19:54:50 ] Darkened Skies > good job for a dread [ 2005.11.08 19:55:03 ] FolkoDemon > and for us as support fleet effect: 6 ships assembled (including 3 MASS), 1 guy left for ice mining, 2 undocked in bs and started... chaining. also: [ 2005.11.08 19:45:08 ] envetro > * if you are in northern STAIN rally in 9rq for gang, we are going to move down to 16p******** and: [ 2005.11.08 22:10:00 ] Kazim > where is the northern fleet? :) [ 2005.11.08 22:10:19 ] Svetlanna > lo kaz [ 2005.11.08 22:10:36 ] Kazim > I just heard on ts, what happened? [ 2005.11.08 22:10:37 ] Otakanishj > they went south and: sorry can't find it, there was nice quote here about SA northern fleet badly outnumbered, forced to retreat to 4gq after not reciving help from today's TS down in Esoteria, when they tried to fight their way to 16P. At that time dozens of battles happened, most of us were fighting for todays TS land, so can someone explain me at which point we betrayed someone there? -----
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.03.27 23:12:00 - [144] Originally by: Sicex And why does BoB allow Stain to exist in Delve? Am I missing something here? npc stations - bit hard to stop people docking and logging in them Originally by: Tuxford we look at them say "wow autocannons sure do suck,... oh well lets go boost amarr".
Sicex	Posted - 2006.03.27 23:20:00 - [145] Erm, does Stain enjoy being station camped? Why would they put themselves in the middle of enemy territory? Shouldn't every Stain mining barge/combat ship/VELATOR be taking shots 24/7??
King Chong	Posted - 2006.03.27 23:22:00 - [146] Originally by: Sicex Erm, does Stain enjoy being station camped? Why would they put themselves in the middle of enemy territory? Shouldn't every Stain mining barge/combat ship/VELATOR be taking shots 24/7?? Stain isnt there.. they send postcards back from delve (see another thread)
Svetlanna	Posted - 2006.03.27 23:23:00 - [147] This excellent post made my day.
dalman	Posted - 2006.03.27 23:23:00 - [148] Originally by: Hinkledolph You guys might want to learn how to defend a POS before stepping up to defending an outpost. Right As you know, 1. The POS was of little importance. 2. Our agreements with ASCN prohibited us from bringing a fleet there. Put together with (1) and make one stupid guess. Also, it's nice to see that you're trying to make cheap points about SA losing 1 undefended POS, while Tribal has lost; 6 freighters 1 dreadnaught 1 POS as well. And a gazillion of carebear ships. Sure makes you look nbah!!! On second thought, who are you? Maybe you can teach me something about PvP. Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
Rutoo	Posted - 2006.03.27 23:23:00 - [149] Originally by: FolkoDemon Originally by: Hinkledolph Originally by: Torment To be honest im sad to see anything that Trigger writes, or anyone for that matter in private chat brought to these forums,but it seems all the rage at the mo And Farimir Thebold has been and still is 1 of the best fleet leaders ingame...until you lead 1 maybe you should sort of shut it. Now as for TS,as i said on our teamspeak earlier...ive always wanted a outpost,yours will do nicely. You guys might want to learn how to defend a POS before stepping up to defending an outpost. To you, and guy before who said SA betrayed south. Found some short logs bout todays TS defending Oberon during G invasion: captured in MP5: [ 2005.11.08 19:44:55 ] FolkoDemon > guys, i suggest all of u get your pvp fits on. [ 2005.11.08 19:45:31 ] Tecron > ? [ 2005.11.08 19:45:48 ] Tecron > why? [ 2005.11.08 19:46:13 ] FolkoDemon > G placed 17 POSes in 16p [ 2005.11.08 19:46:24 ] FolkoDemon > I think there will be orders to move there soon. [ 2005.11.08 19:46:30 ] Tecron > r u for real? [ 2005.11.08 19:46:38 ] Tecron > 17 poses?! [ 2005.11.08 19:46:40 ] FolkoDemon > check alliance mail, from DED [ 2005.11.08 19:47:08 ] Tecron > jezz.. [ 2005.11.08 19:52:17 ] FolkoDemon > dude, leave that barge [ 2005.11.08 19:52:53 ] Darkened Skies > what are you locking me for [ 2005.11.08 19:53:14 ] FolkoDemon > ffs, enemy will be taking our stations and u're in BARGE? [ 2005.11.08 19:53:48 ] Darkened Skies > how can they take the station with out sov [ 2005.11.08 19:54:04 ] FolkoDemon > they just placed 17 POSes... [ 2005.11.08 19:54:09 ] Darkened Skies > and dont see anyone else keeping the pos fulled [ 2005.11.08 19:54:13 ] Darkened Skies > where [ 2005.11.08 19:54:20 ] FolkoDemon > in 16p [ 2005.11.08 19:54:50 ] Darkened Skies > good job for a dread [ 2005.11.08 19:55:03 ] FolkoDemon > and for us as support fleet effect: 6 ships assembled (including 3 MASS), 1 guy left for ice mining, 2 undocked in bs and started... chaining. also: [ 2005.11.08 19:45:08 ] envetro > * if you are in northern STAIN rally in 9rq for gang, we are going to move down to 16p******** and: [ 2005.11.08 22:10:00 ] Kazim > where is the northern fleet? :) [ 2005.11.08 22:10:19 ] Svetlanna > lo kaz [ 2005.11.08 22:10:36 ] Kazim > I just heard on ts, what happened? [ 2005.11.08 22:10:37 ] Otakanishj > they went south and: sorry can't find it, there was nice quote here about SA northern fleet badly outnumbered, forced to retreat to 4gq after not reciving help from today's TS down in Esoteria, when they tried to fight their way to 16P. At that time dozens of battles happened, most of us were fighting for todays TS land, so can someone explain me at which point we betrayed someone there? Most times STC would also bring up a couple people, i know i was always fighting along with riddlock. and many others. But the TS you see now is not was it was when it was created. ________________________________ Club Seals Not Sandwichs
Hinkledolph	Posted - 2006.03.27 23:29:00 - [150] Originally by: dalman Originally by: Hinkledolph You guys might want to learn how to defend a POS before stepping up to defending an outpost. Right As you know, 1. The POS was of little importance. 2. Our agreements with ASCN prohibited us from bringing a fleet there. Put together with (1) and make one stupid guess. Also, it's nice to see that you're trying to make cheap points about SA losing 1 undefended POS, while Tribal has lost; 6 freighters 1 dreadnaught 1 POS as well. And a gazillion of carebear ships. Sure makes you look nbah!!! On second thought, who are you? Maybe you can teach me something about PvP. Leaving your home region and camping inside NPC stations makes it obvious your Alliance's ability to project any MEANINFUL pvp force is just fine & dandy. Let me tell, you guys look really 'Ubah' right now.

Ab Initio	Posted - 2006.03.27 23:33:00 - [151] Originally by: Rutoo No Actually Last time Smoke Au Made an anoucment about another Allience (Refering to the SA set to Negitive) TRIBE lost 6 frieghtors, so he really has a proven track record. yet if he and the rest of the leadership stayed out of it, it would have never happened. funny By that reasoning we should never be negative standings with anyone, and the leader of an alliance is directly responslbe for all losses incurred during war. If a corp chooses to move freighters in 0.0 without adequate escort (whether during war or peace time), they take responsibility for the fallout from that decision onboard.
Rutoo	Posted - 2006.03.27 23:36:00 - [152] Originally by: Ab Initio Originally by: Rutoo No Actually Last time Smoke Au Made an anoucment about another Allience (Refering to the SA set to Negitive) TRIBE lost 6 frieghtors, so he really has a proven track record. yet if he and the rest of the leadership stayed out of it, it would have never happened. funny By that reasoning we should never be negative standings with anyone, and the leader of an alliance is directly responslbe for all losses incurred during war. If a corp chooses to move freighters in 0.0 without adequate escort (whether during war or peace time), they take responsibility for the fallout from that decision onboard. let me think if you guys would have have sided with bob SA would have never come, Plan and simple. ________________________________ Club Seals Not Sandwichs
Ab Initio	Posted - 2006.03.27 23:50:00 - [153] Edited by: Ab Initio on 27/03/2006 23:51:39 Originally by: Rutoo let me think if you guys would have have sided with bob SA would have never come, Plan and simple. Avoiding fights because of the mere possibility of incurring losses, is exactly the attitude we don't want in Tribe. Managing those losses during war is the responsibility of op leaders, there is an expectation that they will use common sense.
Caldari Citizen757	Posted - 2006.03.28 00:30:00 - [154] FIX: set SA to neutral FIX: shoot some SA SA: set FIX to -10 SA: shoot some FIX HUZZAH: shoot some FIX too FIX: shoot some SA and HUZZAH EVERYONE: has fun shooting SA: claims sovereignty in FAT, takes station SA: claims death of FIX FIX: dies. BOB: casts NECROMANCY on FIX HUZZAH: goes home SA: whines SA: casts MAGIC MISSILE on the darkness BOB: rolls to see if SA is drunk yet TRIBAL SOULS: shoot SA SA: claims victory over BOB and FIX BOB: moves into STAIN SA: moves into AGIL SA: claims victory over BOB and FIX TRIBAL SOULS: we are your friends, PSYCH! BOB: BURNNNNNNNNNNNNnnnnnnnnn! NOOBS: make this kind of post MOD: locks thread.
Rutoo	Posted - 2006.03.28 00:40:00 - [155] I should ahve trade marked my method of story telling, now everyone it doing it. ________________________________ Club Seals Not Sandwichs
Orb Lati	Posted - 2006.03.28 01:38:00 - [156] Originally by: Rutoo let me think if you guys would have have sided with bob SA would have never come, Plan and simple. ....ermmm....what? "We worship Strength because it is through strength that all other values are made possible"
Xanta	Posted - 2006.03.28 01:39:00 - [157] Originally by: Orb Lati Originally by: Rutoo let me think if you guys would have have sided with bob SA would have never come, Plan and simple. ....ermmm....what? im not at all involved with this yet knows what he means ;p
Ab Initio	Posted - 2006.03.28 01:50:00 - [158] Originally by: Orb Lati Originally by: Rutoo let me think if you guys would have have sided with bob SA would have never come, Plan and simple. ....ermmm....what? It amounts to "If you didn't side with bob, SA would have never come and killed your freighters. Plain and simple". Firstly, that is just generally wrong, as it was VC leading the attack, not SA. Secondly, backing down from a fight because of the potential for manageable loss is not something I would ever want to see Tribe doing.
j0sephine	Posted - 2006.03.28 02:05:00 - [159] "Erm, does Stain enjoy being station camped? Why would they put themselves in the middle of enemy territory?" It's a comfortable position to be in from forum war standpoint. * can't be evicted from NPC station * by being there either ties down the enemy force to get camped in, or has chance to move about and gank random NPC'ing target or two. If gets camped -- that's where playing with more than one game client and account comes handy. Leave the main logged on in station, play with alt. * with the home region pretty much devoid of SA and the active forum campaign how "we're in Delve, please come visit" there isn't much reason for BoB to maintain large presence in Stain. If/when BoB moves force to Delve, then it can be turned into claim it's all thanks to great tactical planning of mysterious SA command, and due to being too much threat in Delve (read: "we are winning, they are getting desperate/bored \o/" all in all a good tactics as long as one has account they don't mind mostly sitting idle...
Rutoo	Posted - 2006.03.28 02:23:00 - [160] Originally by: Ab Initio It amounts to "If you didn't side with bob, SA would have never come and killed your freighters. Plain and simple". Firstly, that is just generally wrong, as it was VC leading the attack, not SA. Secondly, backing down from a fight because of the potential for manageable loss is not something I would ever want to see Tribe doing. yea spelling error my bad, And didn't i say it was VC who asked SA if they wanted to have fun in a earlier post? but do you think SA would have came if TRIBE decided to stay netreal? ________________________________ Club Seals Not Sandwichs

End Yourself	Posted - 2006.03.28 02:30:00 - [161] Originally by: Rutoo Originally by: Ab Initio Originally by: Rutoo No Actually Last time Smoke Au Made an anoucment about another Allience (Refering to the SA set to Negitive) TRIBE lost 6 frieghtors, so he really has a proven track record. yet if he and the rest of the leadership stayed out of it, it would have never happened. funny By that reasoning we should never be negative standings with anyone, and the leader of an alliance is directly responslbe for all losses incurred during war. If a corp chooses to move freighters in 0.0 without adequate escort (whether during war or peace time), they take responsibility for the fallout from that decision onboard. let me think if you guys would have have sided with bob SA would have never come, Plan and simple. hmpf.... those 6 freighter kills were VC's intel, it was VC's trap..... there were just a few SA "jumping on that bandwaggon" how many times will i have to repeat that?!? and yes, it had NOTHING i repeat NOTHING to do with us setting SA to -10, vc had been shooting us and we had been shooting em for ages anyway and as an ascn member worded it very nicely in the e-r thread Originally by: Netto What you say is basically valid but having E-R roaming around the home front also does something else, and I think it's vital for the health of ASCN for that something to be done. Remind people that it's 0.0 and it's something you have to fight for. Sometimes even the best of people get complacent and these reminders are extremely necessary for the long term health and survivability of a 0.0 entity. So yes, despite the ganked miners/ratters and foolhardy, I think ASCN is gaining more from this excercise then they'll ever lose. ISK is cheap, (It's 0.0, it flows like water) taking a punch in the face is a lesson you'll remember for awhile (Hopefully, anyway). You can tell people till you're blue in the face to 'BE PREPARED'. It doesn't have the same effect if there isn't someone with a gun there to remind you why. nothing i got to add to that regarding tribe and current wars besides Originally by: Napoleon Bonaparte To have good soldiers, a nation must always be at war. ^^^ was napoleon, wasn't it?!? --- Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.
Halseth Durn	Posted - 2006.03.28 04:10:00 - [162] FOR CLARIFICATION: During the "G" alliance incursion into Esoteria of '05, everyone did their job. We were all SA at the time. Corps from Paragon Soul, Esoteria and Stain proper all made major contributions. It is now time to leave that subject out of discussions over present-day matters.
Kvarium Ki	Posted - 2006.03.28 05:22:00 - [163] So! This is where the other half of the game is!!! KK
dantes inferno	Posted - 2006.03.28 05:24:00 - [164] well i think this discusion can go nowere now....TS claim that trigger asked for a NAP..triggers comment Quote: I made it quite clear there was to be no NAP or ceasefire at this time . so i think that TS have bben caught out in their lie...case closed _____ This is a Stain Alliance Fighter. It is protecting the assets of Stain Alliance, and may attack anyone it perceives as a threat, Threat Level: Trigglarist Fundermentalist
Riddlock	Posted - 2006.03.28 05:26:00 - [165] cmon guys , please ... stop shiat talking for 6 pages ... bring it in game :(
thebold	Posted - 2006.03.28 07:42:00 - [166] Edited by: thebold on 28/03/2006 07:44:32 Originally by: Sicex Erm, does Stain enjoy being station camped? Why would they put themselves in the middle of enemy territory? Shouldn't every Stain mining barge/combat ship/VELATOR be taking shots 24/7?? because it shows the kid in most of them, the idea of war is to fight your enemy with the most effective weapon. O and the second rule is NEVER BE docked, ofc unless you want to play the night :]
H3ndrix	Posted - 2006.03.28 14:25:00 - [167] Quote: SA Teamspeak begging that there be a NAP rofl, yer right as if we'd beg SA for a nap when were incurring so many losses on you you need to wake up and smell the S**T your shovelling
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.03.28 14:41:00 - [168] Originally by: H3ndrix Quote: SA Teamspeak begging that there be a NAP rofl, yer right as if we'd beg SA for a nap when were incurring so many losses on you you need to wake up and smell the S**T your shovelling Ya know, I've been wondering about SA's dreamworld. I bet it's a really nice place, a place where they can go more then 5 jumps in 0.0 without getting podded, a place where they actually can do something that have an ounce of meaning. Sooner or later they'll wake up... Fear the Ibis of doom.
Torment	Posted - 2006.03.28 20:23:00 - [169] We will wake up when you grow up..deal
Elendar	Posted - 2006.03.28 20:45:00 - [170] My suspiscion TS approach SA about NAP Trigger talks to them and agrees ceasefire to talk OrcA gets involved and makes idiot demands More war

Orb Lati	Posted - 2006.03.28 21:46:00 - [171] Edited by: Orb Lati on 28/03/2006 21:46:03 Originally by: Boonaki Ya know, I've been wondering about SA's dreamworld. I bet it's a really nice place, a place where they can go more then 5 jumps in 0.0 without getting podded, a place where they actually can do something that have an ounce of meaning. I think its called World of Warcraft "We worship Strength because it is through strength that all other values are made possible"
End Yourself	Posted - 2006.03.28 22:10:00 - [172] Edited by: End Yourself on 28/03/2006 22:10:25 Originally by: Boonaki Ya know, I've been wondering about SA's dreamworld. I bet it's a really nice place, a place where they can go more then 5 jumps in 0.0 without getting podded, a place where they actually can do something that have an ounce of meaning. Sooner or later they'll wake up... well... empire definatly is NOT part of that dreamworld anymore and to everyone who thinks WE "begged" SA for a nap: YOU ARE RIGHT!!! it was all part of an ebil masterplan just to cancel the temporary cease fire one day later and give you the middlefinger with the wardec. now feel free to go on looking like the blithering idiots you are. --- Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.
Mag's	Posted - 2006.03.28 22:24:00 - [173] Originally by: Lurks Amarr Mister Stoner, Tribal Souls did not offer a NAP to SA, Trigger was the one that wanted to open up talks regarding the matter, at the point in time two weeks later I ordered a Temporary Cessation of Hostilities pending further talks of the Tribal Leadership regarding the matter. There, I changed your post to fit the timeline. I believe you, no really I do, you are being honest, at no point in time have you lied.
Mitch Taylor	Posted - 2006.03.28 23:01:00 - [174] I guess I better start by introducing myself. Im Mitch, been playing along time now, seen a few things, done a few things, met a few people. I spent a long time in STC and I really wanted to post my opinion of this situation, whether it is appropriate or not. I would like to talk to you all about a little region called paragon soul. Nice place, relatively simple to defend, not full of riches or glamour, but a nice place. A place I and many of my friends called home for a long time. When Stain Alliance & Stain Empire began its civil war, STC decided to unite behind the true leader of the south Trigger. This was the only course of action we would take, there was no alternative to Trigger. Shortly after this STC formed an alliance of its own called Tribe and the alliance leadership asked a few others to join. Some were chosen and some were just in the right place to be asked. Once you become your own entity you began to be able to think for yourself, like a small child you begin to make decisions and sometimes mistakes. Those mistakes are forgiven by the masses for a while, before your actions begin to have an effect on others around you. Then they must be stopped. Stain Alliance should not be fighting Tribe for two reasons. FINK & STC. In my opinion the only reason this war continues (for I know it started differently I was in TS at the time) is due the guests in paragon soul. FATEX have been a blight on paragon since there arrival under stain. They were no more helpful in paragon then than they were in Omist when they were invited there by Trigger. Anzac Alliance are nice people, heart in the right place but sadly quite disturbed with there ways of thinking... There are some others but are quite insignificant to all this. The new kids on the block need to realise, that 0.0 is an old boys club. Everyone knows everyone else. Regions change hands on aggreements and handshakes, sure you may see a fight here or a forum flame there, but its all pretty much done in TS. In summary a message to my beloved Setenta, please look to your friends once more... although the smog of war has clouded your vision, they are there. You have thieves with daggers at your back, slowly but surely they attempt to take your power in the south away. My fear is if you dont wake up soon it will be too late. Setenta the eldar... The time has cometh, The Eldar returns. A long path lies behind. Do not falter, brethren, when darkness seems to prevail. Deep inside, a single spark ignites, longing to grow, longing to reunite the bloodline. We will prevail, for we are legion.
DarkZaion	Posted - 2006.03.28 23:06:00 - [175] Originally by: Mitch Taylor I guess I better start by introducing myself. Im Mitch, been playing along time now, seen a few things, done a few things, met a few people. I spent a long time in STC and I really wanted to post my opinion of this situation, whether it is appropriate or not. I would like to talk to you all about a little region called paragon soul. Nice place, relatively simple to defend, not full of riches or glamour, but a nice place. A place I and many of my friends called home for a long time. When Stain Alliance & Stain Empire began its civil war, STC decided to unite behind the true leader of the south Trigger. This was the only course of action we would take, there was no alternative to Trigger. Shortly after this STC formed an alliance of its own called Tribe and the alliance leadership asked a few others to join. Some were chosen and some were just in the right place to be asked. Once you become your own entity you began to be able to think for yourself, like a small child you begin to make decisions and sometimes mistakes. Those mistakes are forgiven by the masses for a while, before your actions begin to have an effect on others around you. Then they must be stopped. Stain Alliance should not be fighting Tribe for two reasons. FINK & STC. In my opinion the only reason this war continues (for I know it started differently I was in TS at the time) is due the guests in paragon soul. FATEX have been a blight on paragon since there arrival under stain. They were no more helpful in paragon then than they were in Omist when they were invited there by Trigger. Anzac Alliance are nice people, heart in the right place but sadly quite disturbed with there ways of thinking... There are some others but are quite insignificant to all this. The new kids on the block need to realise, that 0.0 is an old boys club. Everyone knows everyone else. Regions change hands on aggreements and handshakes, sure you may see a fight here or a forum flame there, but its all pretty much done in TS. In summary a message to my beloved Setenta, please look to your friends once more... although the smog of war has clouded your vision, they are there. You have thieves with daggers at your back, slowly but surely they attempt to take your power in the south away. My fear is if you dont wake up soon it will be too late. Setenta the eldar... The time has cometh, The Eldar returns. A long path lies behind. Do not falter, brethren, when darkness seems to prevail. Deep inside, a single spark ignites, longing to grow, longing to reunite the bloodline. We will prevail, for we are legion. great post mitch
Mitch Taylor	Posted - 2006.03.28 23:07:00 - [176] Edited by: Mitch Taylor on 28/03/2006 23:07:32 Originally by: DarkZaion [/quote great post mitch /emote kneels before an old soldier
Netto	Posted - 2006.03.28 23:13:00 - [177] Originally by: End Yourself and as an ascn member worded it very nicely in the e-r thread Originally by: Netto What you say is basically valid but having E-R roaming around the home front also does something else, and I think it's vital for the health of ASCN for that something to be done. Remind people that it's 0.0 and it's something you have to fight for. Sometimes even the best of people get complacent and these reminders are extremely necessary for the long term health and survivability of a 0.0 entity. So yes, despite the ganked miners/ratters and foolhardy, I think ASCN is gaining more from this excercise then they'll ever lose. ISK is cheap, (It's 0.0, it flows like water) taking a punch in the face is a lesson you'll remember for awhile (Hopefully, anyway). You can tell people till you're blue in the face to 'BE PREPARED'. It doesn't have the same effect if there isn't someone with a gun there to remind you why. nothing i got to add to that regarding tribe and current wars besides Weird, I never thought people actually read my posts, lol. Netto Celestial Fleet - We care.
Ab Initio	Posted - 2006.03.28 23:25:00 - [178] I would request Tribe members to stop posting in this thread and take it in game. As for some of the X-members of Tribe who feel the need to share there opinions (which they are obviously entitled too), there is no point in rebuttal from us. You have your opinions, and I doubt they will be changed by any debate from the current members of Tribe. The only thing I will comment on, is your strong words in regards to Fatex (the rest does not need to be addressed in a pubic forum). These guys will always have my respect (unlike some other corps that are a mere shadow of what they were). They've done more for the defence of Paragon since there arrival than anyone (and if you were still an active member of Tribe, you would know of the internal discussion surrounding this topic), and generally they are good guys. Your opinion is allways apperciated mate, but your views of what Tribe was were always somewhat skewed, and the Tribe you saw when you were here != Tribe now.
Rutoo	Posted - 2006.03.28 23:39:00 - [179] Originally by: Mitch Taylor I guess I better start by introducing myself. Im Mitch, been playing along time now, seen a few things, done a few things, met a few people. I spent a long time in STC and I really wanted to post my opinion of this situation, whether it is appropriate or not. I would like to talk to you all about a little region called paragon soul. Nice place, relatively simple to defend, not full of riches or glamour, but a nice place. A place I and many of my friends called home for a long time. When Stain Alliance & Stain Empire began its civil war, STC decided to unite behind the true leader of the south Trigger. This was the only course of action we would take, there was no alternative to Trigger. Shortly after this STC formed an alliance of its own called Tribe and the alliance leadership asked a few others to join. Some were chosen and some were just in the right place to be asked. Once you become your own entity you began to be able to think for yourself, like a small child you begin to make decisions and sometimes mistakes. Those mistakes are forgiven by the masses for a while, before your actions begin to have an effect on others around you. Then they must be stopped. Stain Alliance should not be fighting Tribe for two reasons. FINK & STC. In my opinion the only reason this war continues (for I know it started differently I was in TS at the time) is due the guests in paragon soul. FATEX have been a blight on paragon since there arrival under stain. They were no more helpful in paragon then than they were in Omist when they were invited there by Trigger. Anzac Alliance are nice people, heart in the right place but sadly quite disturbed with there ways of thinking... There are some others but are quite insignificant to all this. The new kids on the block need to realise, that 0.0 is an old boys club. Everyone knows everyone else. Regions change hands on aggreements and handshakes, sure you may see a fight here or a forum flame there, but its all pretty much done in TS. In summary a message to my beloved Setenta, please look to your friends once more... although the smog of war has clouded your vision, they are there. You have thieves with daggers at your back, slowly but surely they attempt to take your power in the south away. My fear is if you dont wake up soon it will be too late. Setenta the eldar... The time has cometh, The Eldar returns. A long path lies behind. Do not falter, brethren, when darkness seems to prevail. Deep inside, a single spark ignites, longing to grow, longing to reunite the bloodline. We will prevail, for we are legion. You hit the nail right on with that post mitch. But as i think i said before, that the people in Paragon where not even around during this time. But i suppose it's more important for TRIBE to be in bobs bedroom, then to respect thier roots and old friends to the north, ________________________________ Club Seals Not Sandwichs
Rutoo	Posted - 2006.03.28 23:44:00 - [180] Edited by: Rutoo on 28/03/2006 23:45:30 Originally by: Ab Initio I would request Tribe members to stop posting in this thread and take it in game. As for some of the X-members of Tribe who feel the need to share there opinions (which they are obviously entitled too), there is no point in rebuttal from us. You have your opinions, and I doubt they will be changed by any debate from the current members of Tribe. The only thing I will comment on, is your strong words in regards to Fatex (the rest does not need to be addressed in a pubic forum). These guys will always have my respect (unlike some other corps that are a mere shadow of what they were). They've done more for the defence of Paragon since there arrival than anyone (and if you were still an active member of Tribe, you would know of the internal discussion surrounding this topic), and generally they are good guys. Your opinion is allways apperciated mate, but your views of what Tribe was were always somewhat skewed, and the Tribe you saw when you were here != Tribe now. Yes, FATEX did alot, but they are also alot of hardheads. Even when the core of STC was still there, they where always throwing the blame to others, saying that they do everything which was not true at all, and even after i said to them good job, and had a talk with CEO, they still went around blaming the people that they forced out. Maybe it was FATEXs goal, force out the people in STC who actually helped, and then they can control the allience, which seemed what they wanted to do since day 1. Edit: It's also funny to see how the rest of the eve-world thinks about you when you are no longer in the corp/allience, your views suddenly change and you realize it. ________________________________ Club Seals Not Sandwichs

BirdBleed	Posted - 2006.03.29 06:48:00 - [181] Originally by: Rutoo Originally by: kRaZyBrIt Quote: log? waas half a month ago Dosnt change the fact that trigger contacted us asking for a end to hostilities Maybe thats because Tigger doesn't like shooting people who he thought was his friends. Some poeple in STC have long standing ties with MASS/Other SA Corps. Also with Freelancers ink (Since at the time they where the ones living in Paragon Soul.) Again it was always SE/SA's Strength that the North/South would always come and help eachother when in need. Which was Proven During the SMASH Wars. Yes, G/Iron/Razor Came in and took C9N, Which Basicly Cut North from South and it became hard to defend. While STC actually for a while was thinking it would be better to create own allience after the SE/SA Thing. This just gave them the chance. Which we left on Good Terms. And then in Short This Happened FIX: Set SA to Netrual SA: Says we use corridor also, setting us to 0 is bad idea FIX: Kills a couple SA ships SA: Beats FIX to the point where they are breaking up, BOB: Okay Thats Enough, Don't Kill FIX SA: Fark you BOB where were you when FIX set us to 0 BOB: Now listen here you better or else ORCA: Here are my terms FIX&BOB: Fark that idea. Here are the real Terms SA: So FIX Declares us KOS? and we are suppose to pretend nothing happened? BOB&FIX: Yup TRIBE: Wheres the Veldspar? SA: Well Screw that, Brings Fleet to Delve in Protest SA: Fed up with Bob Delcares war. BOB: Fourm Warriors ACTIVATE! TRIBE: After reading Bobs propaganda, we have to Agree, hey look theres a bandwagon. SA: Tribe? Why are you even in this it doesn't concern you at all TRIBE: Fark you Brings Fleet to Stain Gets a few Kills SA: Ohh it's on. VC to SA: Pssst i found 6 Tribe frieghtors wanna have some fun? TRIBE: Ohh no my Veldspar BoB: Says nothing about the Above incident. TRIBE: *uslessly Attacks POS belonging to SA TRIBE: haha we 0wned yoo SA: Okay Whatever.... To be continueded if u are such a big SA fanboi come fight with them 8) lets take a look at the F-E story F-E -> get invaded by 5 5 -> Pwns F-E and gets some POS in the system NBSI -> is fighting 5 in empire PA - > is fighting 5 in empire and blobbing p3 and m-o F-E -> is getting pwned hard by 5, starts looking for a way out F-E -> ok 5 ill be your b!tch, who do i shoot ? NBSI and PA -> wadafek u traitor F-E -> No we arent traitors, you just didnt fight hard enough to protect us because we couldnt defend ourselves PA and NBSI die F-E yes we are uber, lets go smacktalk in a SA vs BOB thread so we can show we mean business WOA OMG !!!!!!! who needs facts when u can read BS on the forums :)
End Yourself	Posted - 2006.03.29 07:33:00 - [182] Originally by: Rutoo You hit the nail right on with that post mitch. But as i think i said before, that the people in Paragon where not even around during this time. But i suppose it's more important for TRIBE to be in bobs bedroom, then to respect thier roots and old friends to the north, well... when your old friends are dead it's time to make new ones. your alliance mates should be able to tell you something about it. --- Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.
Orc A	Posted - 2006.03.29 08:14:00 - [183] Oh, So you also claim we're dead? So you just wardec'ed a dead alliance... ye? And BoB is fighting ghosts in Stain (what little Bob are left there) and Also FiX are still loosing ships to... Ghosts... Dear god, never thought i'd be part of an Undead legion, always kindda related those kindda stuff to WoW. :p
IcedBach Jr	Posted - 2006.03.29 08:59:00 - [184] Only thing this all proves is that TS(hate this abbrev since it seems smth useful in eve) is the most unstable entity in the south atm and must therefore be removed. SA, SE aggree on that point at least, seems ASCN is realizing it. Praeludium to success
Riddlock	Posted - 2006.03.29 09:26:00 - [185] 7 pages of bla bla bla :( wtb: sa ppl willing to fight
Emewin	Posted - 2006.03.29 09:38:00 - [186] Originally by: Riddlock 7 pages of bla bla bla :( wtb: sa ppl willing to fight Riddlock: By looking at sa killboard, they are having a field day.
Riddlock	Posted - 2006.03.29 09:46:00 - [187] by looking at you , you have no balls to post with your main :)
Emewin	Posted - 2006.03.29 09:51:00 - [188] Edited by: Emewin on 29/03/2006 09:51:10 Originally by: Riddlock by looking at you , you have no balls to post with your main :) Stop it please, if I offended you in anyway, sure go ahead and chop my head off. But I didnt. I just answerd your question. G'luck with the war.
pshepherd	Posted - 2006.03.29 11:10:00 - [189] Originally by: Emewin Stop it please, if I offended you in anyway, sure go ahead and chop my head off. But I didnt. I just answerd your question. Your using an alt, instaed of your main, thus we're insulted by your lack of backbone
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.03.29 11:14:00 - [190] Originally by: IcedBach Jr Only thing this all proves is that TS(hate this abbrev since it seems smth useful in eve) is the most unstable entity in the south atm and must therefore be removed. SA, SE aggree on that point at least, seems ASCN is realizing it. SA can't do much more then get 6-10 frigs together in 0.0, not sure how their doing in empire. Don't really care... Fear the Ibis of doom.

Boonaki	Posted - 2006.03.29 11:15:00 - [191] Originally by: Boonaki Originally by: IcedBach Jr Only thing this all proves is that TS(hate this abbrev since it seems smth useful in eve) is the most unstable entity in the south atm and must therefore be removed. SA, SE aggree on that point at least, seems ASCN is realizing it. SA can't do much more then get 6-10 frigs together in 0.0, not sure how their doing in empire. Don't really care... Er wait, I did see a dominix last night in in delve, logged on for 2 mins, logged off for half an hour, logged on for 2 mins, logged off for half an hour... Did that for 4 hours... Fear the Ibis of doom.
Waut	Posted - 2006.03.29 11:17:00 - [192] Edited by: Waut on 29/03/2006 11:17:42 Originally by: Orc A Oh, So you also claim we're dead? So you just wardec'ed a dead alliance... ye? And BoB is fighting ghosts in Stain (what little Bob are left there) and Also FiX are still loosing ships to... Ghosts... Dear god, never thought i'd be part of an Undead legion, always kindda related those kindda stuff to WoW. :p Ghosts? Didn't you say a while ago you guys were more like zombies? Oh well... lays down the blunt weapon fits a vacuum cleaner on his Scorp Plan for galaxy domination: Step 1. Steal lots of underpants Step 2. ... Step 3. Get declared as Eve Emperor
BirdBleed	Posted - 2006.03.29 11:27:00 - [193] Originally by: Waut Edited by: Waut on 29/03/2006 11:17:42 Originally by: Orc A Oh, So you also claim we're dead? So you just wardec'ed a dead alliance... ye? And BoB is fighting ghosts in Stain (what little Bob are left there) and Also FiX are still loosing ships to... Ghosts... Dear god, never thought i'd be part of an Undead legion, always kindda related those kindda stuff to WoW. :p Ghosts? Didn't you say a while ago you guys were more like zombies? Oh well... lays down the blunt weapon fits a vacuum cleaner on his Scorp LOL
Bared Bel'Medar	Posted - 2006.03.29 11:38:00 - [194] Edited by: Bared Bel''Medar on 29/03/2006 11:48:06 Edited by: Bared Bel''Medar on 29/03/2006 11:40:00 Originally by: FolkoDemon To you, and guy before who said SA betrayed south. Found some short logs bout todays TS defending Oberon during G invasion: captured in MP5: [ 2005.11.08 19:44:55 ] FolkoDemon > guys, i suggest all of u get your pvp fits on. [ 2005.11.08 19:45:31 ] Tecron > ? [ 2005.11.08 19:45:48 ] Tecron > why? [ 2005.11.08 19:46:13 ] FolkoDemon > G placed 17 POSes in 16p [ 2005.11.08 19:46:24 ] FolkoDemon > I think there will be orders to move there soon. [ 2005.11.08 19:46:30 ] Tecron > r u for real? [ 2005.11.08 19:46:38 ] Tecron > 17 poses?! [ 2005.11.08 19:46:40 ] FolkoDemon > check alliance mail, from DED [ 2005.11.08 19:47:08 ] Tecron > jezz.. [ 2005.11.08 19:52:17 ] FolkoDemon > dude, leave that barge [ 2005.11.08 19:52:53 ] Darkened Skies > what are you locking me for [ 2005.11.08 19:53:14 ] FolkoDemon > ffs, enemy will be taking our stations and u're in BARGE? [ 2005.11.08 19:53:48 ] Darkened Skies > how can they take the station with out sov [ 2005.11.08 19:54:04 ] FolkoDemon > they just placed 17 POSes... [ 2005.11.08 19:54:09 ] Darkened Skies > and dont see anyone else keeping the pos fulled [ 2005.11.08 19:54:13 ] Darkened Skies > where [ 2005.11.08 19:54:20 ] FolkoDemon > in 16p [ 2005.11.08 19:54:50 ] Darkened Skies > good job for a dread [ 2005.11.08 19:55:03 ] FolkoDemon > and for us as support fleet effect: 6 ships assembled (including 3 MASS), 1 guy left for ice mining, 2 undocked in bs and started... chaining. also: [ 2005.11.08 19:45:08 ] envetro > * if you are in northern STAIN rally in 9rq for gang, we are going to move down to 16p****** and: [ 2005.11.08 22:10:00 ] Kazim > where is the northern fleet? :) [ 2005.11.08 22:10:19 ] Svetlanna > lo kaz [ 2005.11.08 22:10:36 ] Kazim > I just heard on ts, what happened? [ 2005.11.08 22:10:37 ] Otakanishj > they went south This quote reminds me as my days as a Progranda Minister. Why? Because in my day, a post like this would have me scurring for denials... I mean this is DAMN incriminating. That BoB members are coming out of the woodwork to defend thier future targets in TS is quite amusing... its as if everyone but the non-aligned parties have rose colored lenses That little chatlog a few pages back, thats more what I'd call perfect spin material. All you have to do is make some clever conclusions and infer deception and viola, you have proganda. TS, you need a designated proganda guy, I recommend the same guy FiX uses, his is high quality grade a bull written by someone, and I'm thinking of previous Alliance "Spokesmen", who sits in a staton and talk to people... not fighting, not even chaining, just sitting. you want guys who dont evn participate in the politics making your proganda... you know what my old buddies ****, Hiedrich, Gierig, and Himmler said about lies: Tell a big lie enough times and it becomes true. Imaran looks good in a dress though -Eris Added the '/' that Eris forgot. Da Doc's in da hizzouse! ~kieron
Well wicked	Posted - 2006.03.29 12:01:00 - [195] Hey, I think SA is getting what it deserves and funny how they sit and post on the forums.I would be near to embarassed to tbh. When SA corps left SA and other corps formed SE is where they went wrong.No vision imo,too jumpy and needed to make big splash and not just build and focus. Then mass etc got involved with the SE/FIX conflict and came to help their "brothers" SE.Seems like mass might of had a had and up in that war.Though it seems the stations in querious never feel to SA/SE once.Though if you wanted to be your own and not be told what to do..then shoudln't you of finished off FIX then?That was the second mistake. Then SA declares SE hostile due to not wanting to bendover for tigger etc.Now two parts to that tbh.One is SA should of never played OMG I r teh leader!!Not after leaving like some a.d.h.a. kids.Also SE should of welcomed their brother and not played games that split them further apart. Well, I refuse to go on in this story as there is alot that has went wrong.SA unless pulling out a diplomatic master piece is in some trouble.I don't anyone can deny that. So one word for the day SA. Diplomacy. If you want to say ** you to all and bang with the best I commend you tbh.I also retract most statment if this was you plan all along. Though if it's bad handy by the movers and shakers in the alliance and just mroe shyt piled on top to save pride.Well then good job **in up what once was a great alliance in EVE. I would of never guessed this type oof stuff went on in SA/SE..not the same that battled CA and stood by bob and bob it..surely. WW
Sylic	Posted - 2006.03.29 12:09:00 - [196] Edited by: Sylic on 29/03/2006 12:10:15 this is to funny carry on .. BLAH BLAH BLAH...SOMETHING REALLY SARCATIC.. BLAH BLAH BLAH GOD I HATE ANSOMNIA AND DT COMES AROUND!!!!!!! Matters not to FATEX !!!
Naroekie	Posted - 2006.03.29 12:10:00 - [197] Edited by: Naroekie on 29/03/2006 12:11:00 Edited by: Naroekie on 29/03/2006 12:10:29 Not often I post on here but as nobody else will leave this one alone neither can I. BoB FIX SA SE TS KOS - we all need to face the fact...a storm is coming and that storm is called ASCN that is who we should all be fighting. ASCN are sitting back laughing at us, wait until we have all shot each other to pieces then they will roll through estoria paragon delve and querious all the way to empire.....the choices we have are a united south to fend off ASCN or all the south belonging to ASCN You have been warned just have the sense to act on it. The Storm is coming This is information I have recieved personnaly and are not the views of my corp or alliance. But they bloody well should be.
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.03.29 12:18:00 - [198] Originally by: Naroekie Edited by: Naroekie on 29/03/2006 12:11:00 Edited by: Naroekie on 29/03/2006 12:10:29 Not often I post on here but as nobody else will leave this one alone neither can I. BoB FIX SA SE TS KOS - we all need to face the fact...a storm is coming and that storm is called ASCN that is who we should all be fighting. ASCN are sitting back laughing at us, wait until we have all shot each other to pieces then they will roll through estoria paragon delve and querious all the way to empire.....the choices we have are a united south to fend off ASCN or all the south belonging to ASCN You have been warned just have the sense to act on it. The Storm is coming This is information I have recieved personnaly and are not the views of my corp or alliance. But they bloody well should be. God I hope so... Fear the Ibis of doom.
Bared Bel'Medar	Posted - 2006.03.29 12:24:00 - [199] Originally by: Naroekie Edited by: Naroekie on 29/03/2006 12:11:00 Edited by: Naroekie on 29/03/2006 12:10:29 Not often I post on here but as nobody else will leave this one alone neither can I. BoB FIX SA SE TS KOS - we all need to face the fact...a storm is coming and that storm is called ASCN that is who we should all be fighting. ASCN are sitting back laughing at us, wait until we have all shot each other to pieces then they will roll through estoria paragon delve and querious all the way to empire.....the choices we have are a united south to fend off ASCN or all the south belonging to ASCN You have been warned just have the sense to act on it. The Storm is coming This is information I have recieved personnaly and are not the views of my corp or alliance. But they bloody well should be. Oh god, It will be like XIF vs CA all over again. that was funny. Telling DB apart from molle: DB is funny.
Sylic	Posted - 2006.03.29 12:24:00 - [200] w00t topic change

Emewin	Posted - 2006.03.29 12:45:00 - [201] Originally by: Naroekie Edited by: Naroekie on 29/03/2006 12:11:00 Edited by: Naroekie on 29/03/2006 12:10:29 Not often I post on here but as nobody else will leave this one alone neither can I. BoB FIX SA SE TS KOS - we all need to face the fact...a storm is coming and that storm is called ASCN that is who we should all be fighting. ASCN are sitting back laughing at us, wait until we have all shot each other to pieces then they will roll through estoria paragon delve and querious all the way to empire.....the choices we have are a united south to fend off ASCN or all the south belonging to ASCN You have been warned just have the sense to act on it. The Storm is coming This is information I have recieved personnaly and are not the views of my corp or alliance. But they bloody well should be.
Yanda	Posted - 2006.03.29 17:04:00 - [202] Edited by: Yanda on 29/03/2006 17:05:25 Hello I back last month after a long break I speak for myself, what we did for destroy our old unity?! STC have been in (SA-SE) for nearly 2 years and im sad when i see the waste of time building something strong. I see that like a civil war. Some sayd we are traitor, they have no memory !!And im sure the STC community take the right decision. We can fight versus SA and keep the respect at high level, they merit it. My respect to the "old boys". -I love yu -
Taurequis	Posted - 2006.03.29 17:11:00 - [203] Hi Yanda, Long time no see old friend. Best Regards, Taurequis
Ab Initio	Posted - 2006.03.29 19:12:00 - [204] Originally by: Naroekie Edited by: Naroekie on 29/03/2006 12:11:00 Edited by: Naroekie on 29/03/2006 12:10:29 Not often I post on here but as nobody else will leave this one alone neither can I. BoB FIX SA SE TS KOS - we all need to face the fact...a storm is coming and that storm is called ASCN that is who we should all be fighting. ASCN are sitting back laughing at us, wait until we have all shot each other to pieces then they will roll through estoria paragon delve and querious all the way to empire.....the choices we have are a united south to fend off ASCN or all the south belonging to ASCN You have been warned just have the sense to act on it. The Storm is coming This is information I have recieved personnaly and are not the views of my corp or alliance. But they bloody well should be. If your goal is to derail the thread, congrats.. But I think we need to put you back through whorum foring 101 again, and get you a new tinfoil hat.
Orc A	Posted - 2006.03.29 19:15:00 - [205] Originally by: Yanda Edited by: Yanda on 29/03/2006 17:05:25 Hello I back last month after a long break I speak for myself, what we did for destroy our old unity?! STC have been in (SA-SE) for nearly 2 years and im sad when i see the waste of time building something strong. I see that like a civil war. Some sayd we are traitor, they have no memory !!And im sure the STC community take the right decision. We can fight versus SA and keep the respect at high level, they merit it. My respect to the "old boys". -I love yu - After they jumped the bandwagon, we were still willing to give them a shot. After stabbing us for the second time, i'm sorry to say but the respect and trust built over years disappears very fast, and rightlly so.
Rexthor Hammerfists	Posted - 2006.03.29 19:49:00 - [206] Edited by: Rexthor Hammerfists on 29/03/2006 19:50:32 Trigger: "Today talks ceased . I openly state that from today I will not re-enter talks with either FIX nor will I talk to Tribal Souls alliance today or at any point in the future . Both said alliances will remain enemies until such time are defeated totally ." edit: 2006.02.04 - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
Randay	Posted - 2006.03.29 20:38:00 - [207] And still, noone really knows who runs SA... is it TRIGGER? is it Orc A? is it some kind of council? is it a magic 8-ball? ------------------------------------------- "Det hSr kan betyda krig!"
Nick Curso	Posted - 2006.03.29 20:48:00 - [208] Its me
Netto	Posted - 2006.03.29 20:57:00 - [209] Originally by: Naroekie Edited by: Naroekie on 29/03/2006 12:11:00 Edited by: Naroekie on 29/03/2006 12:10:29 Not often I post on here but as nobody else will leave this one alone neither can I. BoB FIX SA SE TS KOS - we all need to face the fact...a storm is coming and that storm is called ASCN that is who we should all be fighting. ASCN are sitting back laughing at us, wait until we have all shot each other to pieces then they will roll through estoria paragon delve and querious all the way to empire.....the choices we have are a united south to fend off ASCN or all the south belonging to ASCN You have been warned just have the sense to act on it. The Storm is coming This is information I have recieved personnaly and are not the views of my corp or alliance. But they bloody well should be. Yaarrrrr! The carebear cometh! No roid is safe! rofl Netto Celestial Fleet - We care.
Thorvaldr	Posted - 2006.03.29 21:14:00 - [210] Edited by: Thorvaldr on 29/03/2006 21:14:45 Originally by: Randay And still, noone really knows who runs SA... is it TRIGGER? is it Orc A? is it some kind of council? is it a magic 8-ball? The tribal wisdom passed on from generation to generation, says that, "When you discover that you are riding a dead horse, the best strategy is to dismount." However, in government, education, and in corporate Eve, more advanced strategies are often employed, such as: 1. Buying a stronger whip. 2. Changing riders. 3. Appointing a committee to study the horse. 4. Arranging to visit other countries to see how other cultures ride horses. 5. Lowering the standards so that dead horses can be included. 6. Reclassifying the dead horse as living-impaired. 7. Hiring outside contractors to ride the dead horse. 8. Harnessing several dead horses together to increase speed. 9. Providing additional funding and/or training to increase dead horse's performance. 10. Doing a productivity study to see if lighter riders would improve the dead horse's performance. 11. Declaring that as the dead horse does not have to be fed, it is less costly, carries lower overhead and contributes substantially more to the bottom line of the economy than do some other horses. 12. Rewriting the expected performance requirements for all horses. And of course 13. Promoting the dead horse to a supervisory position. after alot of 11, 5 and some not so succesfull 4 in delve lately it seems they are stuck at 2 again. or is it 10 atm?!? did you talk about 8 with fa, imp... allready?!?

Naldo	Posted - 2006.03.29 21:25:00 - [211] I feel a bit embarrassed by some of the things people have said in here. Lighten up guys, its a game. * Naldo passes everyone a beer
Machiavelli7	Posted - 2006.03.29 21:30:00 - [212] Originally by: Thorvaldr Edited by: Thorvaldr on 29/03/2006 21:14:45 Originally by: Randay And still, noone really knows who runs SA... is it TRIGGER? is it Orc A? is it some kind of council? is it a magic 8-ball? The tribal wisdom passed on from generation to generation, says that, "When you discover that you are riding a dead horse, the best strategy is to dismount." However, in government, education, and in corporate Eve, more advanced strategies are often employed, such as: 1. Buying a stronger whip. 2. Changing riders. 3. Appointing a committee to study the horse. 4. Arranging to visit other countries to see how other cultures ride horses. 5. Lowering the standards so that dead horses can be included. 6. Reclassifying the dead horse as living-impaired. 7. Hiring outside contractors to ride the dead horse. 8. Harnessing several dead horses together to increase speed. 9. Providing additional funding and/or training to increase dead horse's performance. 10. Doing a productivity study to see if lighter riders would improve the dead horse's performance. 11. Declaring that as the dead horse does not have to be fed, it is less costly, carries lower overhead and contributes substantially more to the bottom line of the economy than do some other horses. 12. Rewriting the expected performance requirements for all horses. And of course 13. Promoting the dead horse to a supervisory position. after alot of 11, 5 and some not so succesfull 4 in delve lately it seems they are stuck at 2 again. or is it 10 atm?!? did you talk about 8 with fa, imp... allready?!? brilliant so true, too, both in & out of Eve
Mag's	Posted - 2006.03.29 22:01:00 - [213] Originally by: Well wicked I'll get my coat.
fairimear	Posted - 2006.03.29 22:28:00 - [214] Edited by: fairimear on 29/03/2006 22:34:01 Originally by: Torment To be honest im sad to see anything that Trigger writes, or anyone for that matter in private chat brought to these forums,but it seems all the rage at the mo And Farimir Thebold has been and still is 1 of the best fleet leaders ingame...until you lead 1 maybe you should sort of shut it. Now as for TS,as i said on our teamspeak earlier...ive always wanted a outpost,yours will do nicely. well i've been around and seen my fair share of fleet leaders and frankly, the bold is the worst ive had the misspleasure to be under. and maybe you should wake up and relise maybe the fact SA had some real bad fleet commanders (but it hhad some good) was the reason why he could never get oberon or the others to join ops. because frankly i seen them running their own gangs just fine and often, but for some reason like me they just did't want to fly under certain people, i wonder why. and sir, maybe you should kinda not comment on what i have and have not done in eve. AND you did have a outpost. infact SA had 4-5. and frankly IF sa was in the same boat as TS (Living out of player owned station not the cowardly npc ones) it would have been wiped out long ago.
IcedBach Jr	Posted - 2006.03.29 22:44:00 - [215] you good sir Farismear, should really stop using other keys than the f1-f12, I think everytime you post a baby panda dies. Praeludium to success
King Chong	Posted - 2006.03.29 23:25:00 - [216] Originally by: fairimear AND without consulting your neighbours OR negotiating SA war deced BOB. Whats it got to do with you anyway? Did you consult your neighbours before war dec'ing SA.. NOOOOOOO you guys go into a nap.. then war dec them less than 24hrs into it. I would actually like to hear if ASCN or Oberon were consulted about TS war decing SA
Bartrec	Posted - 2006.03.30 00:10:00 - [217] yea i like that one Agreement between ACSN and SA states that no fleets south of 4GQ TRIBE knows this, so war decs SA saying nanan nan an an you can't come to our space or ASCN deal is broken.
MrTriggerHappy	Posted - 2006.03.30 01:11:00 - [218] Originally by: Bartrec yea i like that one Agreement between ACSN and SA states that no fleets south of 4GQ TRIBE knows this, so war decs SA saying nanan nan an an you can't come to our space or ASCN deal is broken. Ah well according to the latest map.. they have no worries http://www.eve-files.com/media/corp/CRII/Latest.jpg
Ab Initio	Posted - 2006.03.30 01:28:00 - [219] Edited by: Ab Initio on 30/03/2006 01:28:19 Originally by: Bartrec yea i like that one Agreement between ACSN and SA states that no fleets south of 4GQ TRIBE knows this, so war decs SA saying nanan nan an an you can't come to our space or ASCN deal is broken. 1. Until the POS thread, we didn't know there was an agreement there. 2. You have been in our space during the war.. Whats changed? 3. We didn't empire war dec you for you to come fight in PS. We war decced you so we could fight you... In empire.. Oh, and btw.. Props to one of your new members Hemz for being the only person to fight any of us last night. Sad to see you on the other side of the fence, but its always been fun fighting you ;)
Rak'Kabal Kain	Posted - 2006.03.30 04:41:00 - [220]

Destroyer Draxx	Posted - 2006.03.30 06:22:00 - [221] Originally by: fairimear Edited by: fairimear on 29/03/2006 22:37:42 Originally by: Torment To be honest im sad to see anything that Trigger writes, or anyone for that matter in private chat brought to these forums,but it seems all the rage at the mo And Farimir Thebold has been and still is 1 of the best fleet leaders ingame...until you lead 1 maybe you should sort of shut it. Now as for TS,as i said on our teamspeak earlier...ive always wanted a outpost,yours will do nicely. well i've been around and seen my fair share of fleet leaders and frankly, the bold is the worst ive had the misspleasure to be under. and maybe you should wake up and relise maybe the fact SA had some real bad fleet commanders (but it hhad some good) was the reason why he could never get oberon or the others to join ops. because frankly i seen them running their own gangs just fine and often, but for some reason like me they just did't want to fly under certain people, i wonder why. and sir, maybe you should kinda not comment on what i have and have not done in eve. AND you did have a outpost. infact SA had 4-5. and frankly IF sa was in the same boat as TS (Living out of player owned station not the cowardly npc ones) it would have been wiped out long ago. AND lets not forget SA started this war. BoB asked you to calm down and leave fix alone, you had beat them up all you needed to, proved your pojnt as such. AND without consulting your neighbours OR negotiating SA war deced BOB. I still lub u fair I disagree on all ur points but i still lub ya ;) So Far So Good....So What
Well wicked	Posted - 2006.03.30 09:52:00 - [222] Originally by: Mag's I like da bum pokey Originally by: Well wicked I'll get my coat. WW
End Yourself	Posted - 2006.03.30 12:14:00 - [223] Originally by: King Chong I would actually like to hear if ASCN or Oberon were consulted about TS war decing SA hey! we are BoB's lapdogs! not Oberon's or ASCN's!!! this post does neither represent my alliance's nor my corp's or my own views. it's just what molle told me to post. --- Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.
H3ndrix	Posted - 2006.03.30 12:34:00 - [224] From here on out all TRIBE pilots are to stay off this thread
Orc A	Posted - 2006.03.30 12:41:00 - [225] Originally by: End Yourself hey! we are BoB's lapdogs! not Oberon's or ASCN's!!! New Sig 4tw Originally by: End Yourself hey! we are BoB's lapdogs! not Oberon's or ASCN's!!!
Rutoo	Posted - 2006.03.30 14:47:00 - [226] Originally by: H3ndrix From here on out all TRIBE pilots are to stay off this thread and you guys where the ones who started it LOL ________________________________ Club Seals Not Sandwichs
MrTriggerHappy	Posted - 2006.03.30 15:40:00 - [227] Originally by: Rutoo Originally by: H3ndrix From here on out all TRIBE pilots are to stay off this thread and you guys where the ones who started it LOL I think the bob *****es comment finished that one
Goberth Ludwig	Posted - 2006.03.30 17:10:00 - [228] Originally by: fairimear well i've been around and seen my fair share of fleet leaders and frankly, the bold is the worst ive had the misspleasure to be under. From an unbiased point of view, thebold is a kickass FC. I admit I only spent a day flying under him but honestly I was impressed. - Gob (my nubie attempt at a forum sig, bare with me plz :p)
Grimpak	Posted - 2006.03.30 17:57:00 - [229] Originally by: Naroekie Edited by: Naroekie on 29/03/2006 12:11:00 Edited by: Naroekie on 29/03/2006 12:10:29 Not often I post on here but as nobody else will leave this one alone neither can I. BoB FIX SA SE TS KOS - we all need to face the fact...a storm is coming and that storm is called ASCN that is who we should all be fighting. ASCN are sitting back laughing at us, wait until we have all shot each other to pieces then they will roll through estoria paragon delve and querious all the way to empire.....the choices we have are a united south to fend off ASCN or all the south belonging to ASCN You have been warned just have the sense to act on it. The Storm is coming This is information I have recieved personnaly and are not the views of my corp or alliance. But they bloody well should be. ...that would explain why Cyvok cut out the supply of cookies for the alliance all of the sudden ---------------- Originally by: Abdalion Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
DeWieKat	Posted - 2006.03.30 18:08:00 - [230] guys, of course this effort on eve.forums should be apreciated, but plz, keep SE out of this. if you wanna "communicate" come to 4gq system. regards, dew.

Mag's	Posted - 2006.03.30 20:50:00 - [231] Originally by: Well wicked Originally by: Well wicked I'll get my coat. Damn i'm so clueless, I don't know where my coat is. WW
Devoras2	Posted - 2006.03.30 21:32:00 - [232] Originally by: Naroekie Edited by: Naroekie on 29/03/2006 12:11:00 Edited by: Naroekie on 29/03/2006 12:10:29 Not often I post on here but as nobody else will leave this one alone neither can I. BoB FIX SA SE TS KOS - we all need to face the fact...a storm is coming and that storm is called ASCN that is who we should all be fighting. ASCN are sitting back laughing at us, wait until we have all shot each other to pieces then they will roll through estoria paragon delve and querious all the way to empire.....the choices we have are a united south to fend off ASCN or all the south belonging to ASCN You have been warned just have the sense to act on it. The Storm is coming This is information I have recieved personnaly and are not the views of my corp or alliance. But they bloody well should be. And they call me slow.... hey! Thats an insult!
Ab Initio	Posted - 2006.03.30 22:07:00 - [233] Originally by: Devoras2 Originally by: Naroekie Edited by: Naroekie on 29/03/2006 12:11:00 Edited by: Naroekie on 29/03/2006 12:10:29 Not often I post on here but as nobody else will leave this one alone neither can I. BoB FIX SA SE TS KOS - we all need to face the fact...a storm is coming and that storm is called ASCN that is who we should all be fighting. ASCN are sitting back laughing at us, wait until we have all shot each other to pieces then they will roll through estoria paragon delve and querious all the way to empire.....the choices we have are a united south to fend off ASCN or all the south belonging to ASCN You have been warned just have the sense to act on it. The Storm is coming This is information I have recieved personnaly and are not the views of my corp or alliance. But they bloody well should be. Someone neglected to mention to him that we can just ask for the post to be closed, and that his uber thread derailing skills weren't required :)
IcedBach Jr	Posted - 2006.03.31 09:46:00 - [234] while reading Ab initio's post I kept wondering why on earth a memeber of BOB was talking about war dec's then I realized TS seem to be loosing some good members. That made me happy Praeludium to success
Dufas	Posted - 2006.04.01 21:02:00 - [235] The post by Naroekie in no way speaks for Tribal Souls Leadership or any policies we have __________
Sprak	Posted - 2006.04.02 00:06:00 - [236] Originally by: Rak'Kabal Kain Edited by: Rak''Kabal Kain on 30/03/2006 04:45:45 Rak - Best Sig EVAR.
La Mila	Posted - 2006.04.02 06:55:00 - [237] Originally by: fairimear Edited by: fairimear on 29/03/2006 22:37:42 Originally by: Torment To be honest im sad to see anything that Trigger writes, or anyone for that matter in private chat brought to these forums,but it seems all the rage at the mo And Farimir Thebold has been and still is 1 of the best fleet leaders ingame...until you lead 1 maybe you should sort of shut it. Now as for TS,as i said on our teamspeak earlier...ive always wanted a outpost,yours will do nicely. well i've been around and seen my fair share of fleet leaders and frankly, the bold is the worst ive had the misspleasure to be under. and maybe you should wake up and relise maybe the fact SA had some real bad fleet commanders (but it hhad some good) was the reason why he could never get oberon or the others to join ops. because frankly i seen them running their own gangs just fine and often, but for some reason like me they just did't want to fly under certain people, i wonder why. and sir, maybe you should kinda not comment on what i have and have not done in eve. AND you did have a outpost. infact SA had 4-5. and frankly IF sa was in the same boat as TS (Living out of player owned station not the cowardly npc ones) it would have been wiped out long ago. AND lets not forget SA started this war. BoB asked you to calm down and leave fix alone, you had beat them up all you needed to, proved your pojnt as such. AND without consulting your neighbours OR negotiating SA war deced BOB. oic so you're the one that can't follow orders of your fc, guess the tribal fleets that got killed have a tactic called "omfglook@theenemyshootanythingyouthinkyoucanhitandlock" ingame known as the tribal frenzy i yet have to see a tribal fc do @ least 1/8th as good as boldy (and yes i am part of thebold's fanclub, sue me)
Freeman Lowell	Posted - 2006.04.03 17:19:00 - [238] OH my GOD! I leave the game but everything still goes on..... Yes this is not the person I used to play with but for those that know me, this is all crap! Times change BUT the old Boys network remains Remeber the elder is all I say Long live STC


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