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Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
1045
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Posted - 2014.01.24 12:53:00 -
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I don't think the sites spawn rate is changed, neither is the loot.
Problem is the major nerf to exploration done Odissey (not in rubicon).
Basically they lowered the entry level for exploration making it trivial. This mean: more people running sites and more exploration loot on the market.
Before Odissey a good exploration ship was all-in-one pilgrim or T3. Now you can do everything non-combat (in low as in null) in T2 frigate. And they also simplificated all and pumped in the game overpowered faction ships (less skill points) just designed for this. So as profession now is more trivial, less challenging and less profitable.
They sold Odissey to us as a new exploration era, a revamp and bla bla. But the truth is: when you make something trivial or easy is always a nerf. |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
642
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Posted - 2014.01.24 15:37:00 -
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Malphas Vynneve wrote:Before Rubicon, i could go out and spend 45 minutes and come back with anywhere from 30mil to 70mil. Now i spend 3 hours and don't find anything. Not one single data or relic site. Just combat sites and wormholes. This is really beginning to bug me. I mean. The data and relic sites in wormhole space are showing up just fine, no problems there, but in a helios, i'm not even about to think about going for them, what with sleepers. But when i go through 7 nullsec systems, i should find AT LEAST one data or relic site. These aren't like 0.0 nullsec systems either. these are -0.3 to -.06 systems. I don't know what CCP did to exploration, but they REALLY need to fix it. Exploration used to be my main source of income, now i spend days looking for even one data or relic site. I've already filed some support tickets, but apparently, they were ignored. Has anyone else been having this issue? can we swop space? you take my relic sites i take your combat sites. here is a list of all the fiat currencies that didn't end up at zero value.....and here is a list of the places where a currency pegged to a real commodity has successfully co-existed with compound interest....-á Here is a physics professor explaining why sustainable growth isn't a thing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY |
Xavier Quo
Ashfell Celestial Corporation POD-SQUAD
73
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Posted - 2014.01.24 16:10:00 -
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Noticed similar, but I think it's just the RNG or just being behind someone doing exactly the same thing as you on a similar route
However it is a real shame there is no non-combat exploration content in wormholes. |
Seven Koskanaiken
Sons Of Saints Circle-Of-Two
749
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Posted - 2014.01.24 16:24:00 -
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Stay out of drone and angel space, in my experience they are bad for hacking. |
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
437
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Posted - 2014.01.24 16:32:00 -
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I Love Boobies wrote:The problem with exploration is CCP made it too easy when they removed the rats from data/relic sites, so anyone and everyone is going through Null Sec and Low Sec in their appropriately set up T3s and doing them. That is why you're not finding them, others have found them before you did. This.
Every once in a while I go on an exploration safari bawls deep into null in a cloaky interdiction-nullified T3 to work relic sites. When I do find them, the juicy blueprint drops are few and far between and the other drops are just 'ok'. Not exciting or compelling enough to do regularly IMHO. Can't imagine doing this in hi or lowsec at all.
The spawns should be more frequent though, and as soon as someone lands on a site a collapse timer should immediately start, as scanning down a site where some tool just worked the good cans and left the crap behind is VERY annoying.
Would you like to know more? |
Angelica Dreamstar
Epic Boo Bees
310
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Posted - 2014.01.24 16:40:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:I Love Boobies wrote:The problem with exploration is CCP made it too easy when they removed the rats from data/relic sites, so anyone and everyone is going through Null Sec and Low Sec in their appropriately set up T3s and doing them. That is why you're not finding them, others have found them before you did. This. Every once in a while I go on an exploration safari bawls deep into null in a cloaky interdiction-nullified T3 to work relic sites. When I do find them, the juicy blueprint drops are few and far between and the other drops are just 'ok'. Not exciting or compelling enough to do regularly IMHO. Can't imagine doing this in hi or lowsec at all. The spawns should be more frequent though, and as soon as someone lands on a site a collapse timer should immediately start, as scanning down a site where some tool just worked the good cans and left the crap behind is VERY annoying. And because it's annoying, it should stay as it is. Create a new, pretty, female character! Make the name count! Join the epic boo bees! (RP,PvE/PvP,wardecs,new players!) You're at it from day 0! |
Billy McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
96
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Posted - 2014.01.24 16:43:00 -
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Sura Sadiva wrote:I don't think the sites spawn rate is changed, neither is the loot.
Problem is the major nerf to exploration done Odissey (not in rubicon).
Basically they lowered the entry level for exploration making it trivial. This mean: more people running sites and more exploration loot on the market.
Before Odissey a good exploration ship was all-in-one pilgrim or T3. Now you can do everything non-combat (in low as in null) in T2 frigate. And they also simplificated all and pumped in the game overpowered faction ships (less skill points) just designed for this. So as profession now is more trivial, less challenging and less profitable.
They sold Odissey to us as a new exploration era, a revamp and bla bla. But the truth is: when you make something trivial or easy is always a nerf.
I and some friends buff them with Stealth Bombers and Bombs |
Blood Viper Johnson
25
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Posted - 2014.01.24 20:07:00 -
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not sure about you,but i gain 1-2 bil per day on relics in paragon and isoteria,drop always cool |
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
439
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Posted - 2014.01.24 20:13:00 -
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Blood Viper Johnson wrote:not sure about you,but i gain 1-2 bil per day on relics in paragon and isoteria,drop always cool Is this normally shortly after downtime? Not sure how the spawns of relics work but I always seem to get pwnzored on the drops betwixt 16:00-02:00 EvE going through Stain, Period Basis, Parago and Esoteria... :(
Would you like to know more? |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
956
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Posted - 2014.01.24 22:09:00 -
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Basically, exploration has no barrier to entry for any of its sites, even the high end ones. Which means any random dude older than a week can (and probably will) run the sites. This leads to all of the sites being depleted and all of the exploration loot being dirt cheap. |
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Brink Albosa
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
14
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Posted - 2014.01.24 22:52:00 -
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There's a small loop I do near where I live and I still find the same amount of exploration sites as before. There are so many explorers now. |
Malphas Vynneve
The New Gallentean Combine Brave Collective
6
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Posted - 2014.01.24 23:17:00 -
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Yeah, i've started giving up on wormholes, since every nullsec area of systems i check out have ben emptied already.
I actually went over a few systems from barle and found some really nice sites with about 80mil worth inside each.
Of course, i got caught in a 4 man gatecamp with bubbles...
but that's neither here nor there. |
Charles Wu-Wong
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
45
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Posted - 2014.01.25 14:27:00 -
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Malphas Vynneve wrote:That's a logical explanation, but every single time i've tried exploration since Rubicon, this is how it's been. And i'm from Barleguet, so i'd have stuck to lowsec if there was anything there.
Not only that, but i check Dotlan when i go into systems and half of them say no jumps within at least a day. But this has happened in every nullsec system i've popped my head into. Which is now 10 systems, still nothing but wormholes and combat sites.
...You do realise that there has recently been a drive by many members of our alliance (myself included) to push newbies into exploration? It's part of the reason there are less sites to be found, more people are running them.
If you want huge amounts of sites head up to Cloud Ring, it's literally empty for the most part. |
Malphas Vynneve
The New Gallentean Combine Brave Collective
6
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Posted - 2014.01.25 16:48:00 -
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I never actually said anything about where exactly i was exploring. I also mentioned that there wasn't much left around Barleguet.
So yeah, keep up with the conversation.
But thanks for the tip about cloud ring. |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
958
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Posted - 2014.01.25 22:43:00 -
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Malphas Vynneve wrote:Before Rubicon, i could go out and spend 45 minutes and come back with anywhere from 30mil to 70mil. Now i spend 3 hours and don't find anything. Not one single data or relic site. Just combat sites and wormholes. This is really beginning to bug me. I mean. The data and relic sites in wormhole space are showing up just fine, no problems there, but in a helios, i'm not even about to think about going for them, what with sleepers. But when i go through 7 nullsec systems, i should find AT LEAST one data or relic site. These aren't like 0.0 nullsec systems either. these are -0.3 to -.06 systems. I don't know what CCP did to exploration, but they REALLY need to fix it. Exploration used to be my main source of income, now i spend days looking for even one data or relic site. I've already filed some support tickets, but apparently, they were ignored. Has anyone else been having this issue?
Have you been sleeping under a rock? Oddessy killed exploration by giving you a survey scanner that hands everything to you on a plate. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
2245
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Posted - 2014.01.25 23:09:00 -
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See what happened is the coke-head over in marketing (who never actually plays EvE) read a magazine article on the growth "casual gaming" and demanded that we add some kind of Peggle crap into EvE somewhere.
The actual developers, trying to worm their way out of this horrible decision being forced on them, went and stuffed his horrible ideas into the exploration mechanics, reasoning that it already kind of sucked so making it suck even worse would cause the least amount of grief.
Next year we'll probably see some sort of mini-game added to warp scramblers or something. Nullsec in a Nutshell: http://nedroid.com/comics/2006-08-24-2155-arrrdino.gif |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4203
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Posted - 2014.01.26 03:47:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:See what happened is the coke-head over in marketing (who never actually plays EvE) read a magazine article on the growth "casual gaming" and demanded that we add some kind of Peggle crap into EvE somewhere.
The actual developers, trying to worm their way out of this horrible decision being forced on them, went and stuffed his horrible ideas into the exploration mechanics, reasoning that it already kind of sucked so making it suck even worse would cause the least amount of grief.
Next year we'll probably see some sort of mini-game added to warp scramblers or something.
Yeah of all things to get a minigame. If they minigamed mining it would be the death of multiboxing and botting in such epic proportions that our planet would be a water planet from all those tears by now.
I don't hate the exploration mini game much, giving me something to do while the hack cycles, but lag during the mini-game drives me up the wall. |
Felicity Love
Whore and Peace Forsaken Asylum
1467
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Posted - 2014.01.26 03:53:00 -
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Malphas Vynneve wrote:I don't know what CCP did to exploration, but they REALLY need to fix it. Exploration used to be my main source of income, now i spend days looking for even one data or relic site. I've already filed some support tickets, but apparently, they were ignored. Has anyone else been having this issue?
grrrrrrrrr... Null Bears are taking all the good sites.
Can't have a proper Apocalypse without "The Man", Johnny Cash. -áTrue story.
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