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Malphas Vynneve The New Gallentean Combine Brave Collective 6	Posted - 2014.01.24 04:02:00 - [1] - Quote Before Rubicon, i could go out and spend 45 minutes and come back with anywhere from 30mil to 70mil. Now i spend 3 hours and don't find anything. Not one single data or relic site. Just combat sites and wormholes. This is really beginning to bug me. I mean. The data and relic sites in wormhole space are showing up just fine, no problems there, but in a helios, i'm not even about to think about going for them, what with sleepers. But when i go through 7 nullsec systems, i should find AT LEAST one data or relic site. These aren't like 0.0 nullsec systems either. these are -0.3 to -.06 systems. I don't know what CCP did to exploration, but they REALLY need to fix it. Exploration used to be my main source of income, now i spend days looking for even one data or relic site. I've already filed some support tickets, but apparently, they were ignored. Has anyone else been having this issue?
dexington Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1074	Posted - 2014.01.24 04:07:00 - [2] - Quote Have you tried taking a trip to low/null-sec, i have no problems with finding data/relic sites i low-sec. The area you are in now might just to to crowded with other explores, try going somewhere else. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Jandice Ymladris Aurora Arcology 480	Posted - 2014.01.24 04:07:00 - [3] - Quote I believe it's simply down to an increase of players doing exploration. Ever since Rubicon, I noticed alot more people chattering about exploration & their found spoils. So can be down to that, more people, harder to find sites. Workings of the Aurora Arcology: Internal security divisions Gurista Capsuleers Spotted
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 187	Posted - 2014.01.24 04:09:00 - [4] - Quote Strange. The cloak scout/explorer on my 2nd account hasn't noticed any difference at least in Placid or Syndicate. I'm sure if they made a change it would have been across all systems, but the data and relic sites still seem to be there in the same abundance from what I've been doing (only about 25% of the time involved in exploration and the rest in pvp on that account).
Malphas Vynneve The New Gallentean Combine Brave Collective 6	Posted - 2014.01.24 04:14:00 - [5] - Quote That's a logical explanation, but every single time i've tried exploration since Rubicon, this is how it's been. And i'm from Barleguet, so i'd have stuck to lowsec if there was anything there. Not only that, but i check Dotlan when i go into systems and half of them say no jumps within at least a day. But this has happened in every nullsec system i've popped my head into. Which is now 10 systems, still nothing but wormholes and combat sites.
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 8782	Posted - 2014.01.24 04:16:00 - [6] - Quote I used to call my Tengu "**** RNG" because I kept getting Dread Guristas spawns that would only drop tags and ammo. My EVE Videos
Malphas Vynneve The New Gallentean Combine Brave Collective 6	Posted - 2014.01.24 04:17:00 - [7] - Quote lol
Tauranon Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 655	Posted - 2014.01.24 04:23:00 - [8] - Quote You need to stop following other explorers, especially if you are slow at scanning.
Malphas Vynneve The New Gallentean Combine Brave Collective 6	Posted - 2014.01.24 04:25:00 - [9] - Quote LOL, get back under your bridge, troll. Anyway, this makes 12 null systems.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 4197	Posted - 2014.01.24 04:38:00 - [10] - Quote Malphas Vynneve wrote: LOL, get back under your bridge, troll. Anyway, this makes 12 null systems. You are probably in someone's play pen. Find a new region.
Malphas Vynneve The New Gallentean Combine Brave Collective 6	Posted - 2014.01.24 04:41:00 - [11] - Quote Yeah, i'm starting to think that. I've never gone 15 systems in a row and found nothing. Usually, it's a combined 15 systems from different regions, lol. But still, something changed after Rubicon. Whether that change is less exploration sites or more explorers. Methinks explo ganking might be the way to go now, lol. Cloak up at a data or relic site and gank anyone that comes by, then steal their loot, lol.
Tauranon Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 655	Posted - 2014.01.24 04:46:00 - [12] - Quote Malphas Vynneve wrote: LOL, get back under your bridge, troll. Anyway, this makes 12 null systems. I once entered 90 systems (112 jumps if I recall including reverses) without finding a ded complex. It takes someone good 15 minutes to clear a relic and a data, so all you are doing is following someone an hour ahead of you. If you are in syndicate you are literally waiting for people in fountain and outer ring and whatever to send them back.
Peter Raptor Galactic Hawks 631	Posted - 2014.01.24 04:52:00 - [13] - Quote I had the same problem, went through about 50 nullsec systems, literally, and found very few data sites, maybe one relic site, after all that, the rewards were, pathetic, given up on exploration altogether. ps, losec data/relic site rewards are even worse... Evelopedia;-á The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á
Johan Civire The Lyran Empire 819	Posted - 2014.01.24 04:54:00 - [14] - Quote Mmm i dont have that problem. But i guess iam alone in my space for a very very very long time.
Keno Skir Vectis Covert Solutions 654	Posted - 2014.01.24 05:05:00 - [15] - Quote After Rubicon launched, tier3 Battlecruisers didn't show on my overview and had to be manually added again. I don't really explore but is it possible some setting somewhere has reverted so that kind of sig isn't showing for you? Seems weird ur the only one, 15 empty systems in a row and everyone else has noticed no change. BUDDY TRIALS - 21days + ISK bonus + Starting Assistance : https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=77facad8-d941-45ad-95bc-c1ec90919b6b&action=buddy Feel free to contact me with questions :)
Malphas Vynneve The New Gallentean Combine Brave Collective 6	Posted - 2014.01.24 05:12:00 - [16] - Quote Peter Raptor wrote: I had the same problem, went through about 50 nullsec systems, literally, and found very few data sites, maybe one relic site, after all that, the rewards were, pathetic, given up on exploration altogether. ps, losec data/relic site rewards are even worse... See, that's how i feel. But then, one of my corpmates said he just found 4 sites in one system. So i'm just like wtf. I really like explo, but goddamn, lol.
Zappity Kurved Space 779	Posted - 2014.01.24 05:24:00 - [17] - Quote I can hardly move for all the exploration sites in lowsec. There are hundreds of them in each system! Well, almost hundreds. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 187	Posted - 2014.01.24 05:30:00 - [18] - Quote Zappity wrote: I can hardly move for all the exploration sites in lowsec. There are hundreds of them in each system! Well, almost hundreds. Over a calendar year, yep.
Malphas Vynneve The New Gallentean Combine Brave Collective 6	Posted - 2014.01.24 05:30:00 - [19] - Quote Zappity wrote: I can hardly move for all the exploration sites in lowsec. There are hundreds of them in each system! Well, almost hundreds. lol, what neck of the woods are you in? i'm gonna have to come visit.
Dior Rellik NERFSQUAD 4	Posted - 2014.01.24 05:52:00 - [20] - Quote Malphas Vynneve wrote: Before Rubicon, i could go out and spend 45 minutes and come back with anywhere from 30mil to 70mil. Now i spend 3 hours and don't find anything. Not one single data or relic site. Just combat sites and wormholes. This is really beginning to bug me. I mean. The data and relic sites in wormhole space are showing up just fine, no problems there, but in a helios, i'm not even about to think about going for them, what with sleepers. But when i go through 7 nullsec systems, i should find AT LEAST one data or relic site. These aren't like 0.0 nullsec systems either. these are -0.3 to -.06 systems. I don't know what CCP did to exploration, but they REALLY need to fix it. Exploration used to be my main source of income, now i spend days looking for even one data or relic site. I've already filed some support tickets, but apparently, they were ignored. Has anyone else been having this issue? The issue isn't with sites spawning. It's purely to do with the fact that there are more "bears" in null sec than there is in high sec these days. Coalitions full of bears dude and they are raping the easy stuff because they don't like the hastle of spending 30mins+ in combat site. Minimum effort, maximum profit. Word!
I Love Boobies All Hail Boobies 986	Posted - 2014.01.24 06:15:00 - [21] - Quote The problem with exploration is CCP made it too easy when they removed the rats from data/relic sites, so anyone and everyone is going through Null Sec and Low Sec in their appropriately set up T3s and doing them. That is why you're not finding them, others have found them before you did.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 4197	Posted - 2014.01.24 07:24:00 - [22] - Quote Malphas Vynneve wrote: Yeah, i'm starting to think that. I've never gone 15 systems in a row and found nothing. Usually, it's a combined 15 systems from different regions, lol. But still, something changed after Rubicon. Whether that change is less exploration sites or more explorers. Methinks explo ganking might be the way to go now, lol. Cloak up at a data or relic site and gank anyone that comes by, then steal their loot, lol. Well that's the spirit. Some days it's sites galor, even when moving ships in the Forge regions, other days, nothing. Yeah they made exploration very easy - you simply have to wander more. That you can traverse so many systems shows you are not hugging a system or station, which is good. As for attacking exploration - well - first don't attack my ship! (shakes fist) but yeah, exploration is so beared up now it's incredible. Back in the day exploration sites were also combat sites. Let me tell you. I had to fight some hard-hitting rats up hill, both ways. In 3 feet of snow too. But it was nothing that a nullified T3 could not handle - except things changed a bit. The sites are easy easy now, no need to kill the rats you see, so it's all the more feasible to use a nullified T2 or even an intie (if you rig it for hacking even than it's iffy for the job) . But it's the inties you see. Belt ratting is bad news - even combat sites - intie swarms you see. So exploration is now the most risk free of the activities. So it's not like all of a sudden everybody wants to explore, it's just the with the intie changes and changes to exploration sites, it's now the least risky activity mainly because you can do them faster than other PVe content, make the loot, run off, and that's that. Like a wormhole to nullsec when I had my Astero. That was a fine ship let me tell you. Found a rare highsec to null WH and there was a covert site in there too - hacking even with the Astero and level 5 skills was not a short affair. But as soon as someone showed up, they KNEW how I got there, because the intel channels and gank pipelines never heard of me, so it just HAD to be a wormhole. I reached the wormhole just as 8 core probes were right on top of it. They didn't get the Astero - NPCs did that job a little while later. So the gist of this is, exploration is now the defacto "carebear activity" of nullsec. It's easier than running 4 of 10s with a Tengu - back before they got blocked from 4 of 10s, you could be in a DED 4 of 10 for around 10 seconds and there's the tengu going straight for the boss. So the same players are out there, carefully ensconced behind the gank pipelines and intel channels. So, maybe you should hunt the explorers? Well, my Astero won't be on your KB - Guristas did that -but that might have to be your thing. Maybe you should bring a stealth bomber, wait for them to hack the container, nuke them. From orbit even. They won't be going fast, that's for sure. When I drop bombs on gate camps I giggle like Loreena Bobbit in a sausage factory. So I'm sure a good time will be had by all. (if seeing you in local does not have them running and hiding - these are bears after all). Good luck.
Victor Andall Complexes and Abaddons 42	Posted - 2014.01.24 07:42:00 - [23] - Quote I Love Boobies wrote: The problem with exploration is CCP made it too easy when they removed the rats from data/relic sites, so anyone and everyone is going through Null Sec and Low Sec in their appropriately set up T3s and doing them. That is why you're not finding them, others have found them before you did. Yes, "everyone" is going in Strategic Cruisers. Because that's what a several hundred million piece of hardware is good for. Data and Relic sites. I do LowSec in an Imicus. I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do? http://andallcombat.wordpress.com/current-tournament/
Sagara Shouhey Horse Forces 0	Posted - 2014.01.24 07:43:00 - [24] - Quote if you looking for data and\|or relic devoid is your choise, i scan five or six systems and found 10 or 11 data+relic so no problem here
Shvak The Warp Core Stabilizers Tactical Narcotics Team 39	Posted - 2014.01.24 07:56:00 - [25] - Quote I know it might sound stupid and you most likely do it anyway but hit "show" on your scan hud. Sometime the sites do not refresh into the hud properly. Just a thought. That said there are a lot less sites to find in nullsec especially. Does not mean they are not there but I am sure plex spawns were nerfed when rubicon was released. Also the amount of ammo and tags have increased vs good loot. With the ESS giving an obvious nerf in Rubicon 1.1 to bounties to tray and combat inflation one is guessing that a system where there is no hard data (plex spawns) would have been a first option at nerfing to reduce income
Berant toxicology 2	Posted - 2014.01.24 09:24:00 - [26] - Quote Shvak wrote: I know it might sound stupid and you most likely do it anyway but hit "show" on your scan hud. Sometime the sites do not refresh into the hud properly. Just a thought. That said there are a lot less sites to find in nullsec especially. Does not mean they are not there but I am sure plex spawns were nerfed when rubicon was released. Also the amount of ammo and tags have increased vs good loot. With the ESS giving an obvious nerf in Rubicon 1.1 to bounties to tray and combat inflation one is guessing that a system where there is no hard data (plex spawns) would have been a first option at nerfing to reduce income This. Also, if you're anything like me, and I hope for your sake you're not, I spent a dozen systems looking for Data Sites in LowSec until I realised I had the probe scan window set to Ships. Wasn't my finest hour...
Shvak The Warp Core Stabilizers Tactical Narcotics Team 39	Posted - 2014.01.24 09:32:00 - [27] - Quote Berant wrote: Shvak wrote: I know it might sound stupid and you most likely do it anyway but hit "show" on your scan hud. Sometime the sites do not refresh into the hud properly. Just a thought. That said there are a lot less sites to find in nullsec especially. Does not mean they are not there but I am sure plex spawns were nerfed when rubicon was released. Also the amount of ammo and tags have increased vs good loot. With the ESS giving an obvious nerf in Rubicon 1.1 to bounties to tray and combat inflation one is guessing that a system where there is no hard data (plex spawns) would have been a first option at nerfing to reduce income This. Also, if you're anything like me, and I hope for your sake you're not, I spent a dozen systems looking for Data Sites in LowSec until I realised I had the probe scan window set to Ships. Wasn't my finest hour... Got the T-Shirt for that as well
Ryder 'ook Die..Brut 43	Posted - 2014.01.24 09:39:00 - [28] - Quote I'm very glad I'm not the only one who catches himself blundering about like this! Props to both of you! Every atom in our bodies was forged in the furnace of ancient stars - it's time we return home.
Ptraci 3 R Corporation Boarderline Cartel 1716	Posted - 2014.01.24 09:50:00 - [29] - Quote Malphas Vynneve wrote: Before Rubicon, i could go out and spend 45 minutes and come back with anywhere from 30mil to 70mil. Now i spend 3 hours and don't find anything. Not one single data or relic site. Just combat sites and wormholes. This is really beginning to bug me. You do realize that other people are out there running sites too, right? The early bird gets the worm, so to speak. If all you find are wormholes and combat sites I would think that either the non random number generator is being unkind to you or someone is getting into those systems and running the sites before you are. Get out earlier, or change location, or better still - find out who it is and kill them.
Ruskarn Andedare Lion Investments 408	Posted - 2014.01.24 10:05:00 - [30] - Quote Shvak wrote: Berant wrote: Shvak wrote: I know it might sound stupid and you most likely do it anyway but hit "show" on your scan hud. Sometime the sites do not refresh into the hud properly. Just a thought. That said there are a lot less sites to find in nullsec especially. Does not mean they are not there but I am sure plex spawns were nerfed when rubicon was released. Also the amount of ammo and tags have increased vs good loot. With the ESS giving an obvious nerf in Rubicon 1.1 to bounties to tray and combat inflation one is guessing that a system where there is no hard data (plex spawns) would have been a first option at nerfing to reduce income This. Also, if you're anything like me, and I hope for your sake you're not, I spent a dozen systems looking for Data Sites in LowSec until I realised I had the probe scan window set to Ships. Wasn't my finest hour... Got the T-Shirt for that as well oh yeah, been there, done that too. Also when you get a no scan results on the scan window it's worthwhile closing it and reopening it, there seems to be some sort of caching error there.

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