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PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2014.01.24 17:55:00 -
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Drops 1000 domis on grid and tries to crash node with sentries.
Complains when node doesn't crash after additionally cynoing in hundreds of dreads on grid.
~~The CFC~~ |
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Posted - 2014.01.24 22:36:00 -
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ElQuirko wrote:drop the supercapitals. It's what they're for.
That would require non risk-averse behavior tho. Much easier to sign a pretty document and slowly back out of the room while your "allies" get mopped up.  |
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Posted - 2014.01.24 22:40:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:ElQuirko wrote:
Using the magical tool known as reading, you would soon discover that the age-old doctrine of the supercap blob, the workhorse of old null, seems to be a pretty decent option in this case.
That, or, as mentioned about three times now, use omegafleet. Take out those carriers from outside of sentry range and negate the amount of lag - you're practically doing the world a favour.
We did use omega fleet. Unfortunately the servers cannot handle the sheer amount of drones that are getting tossed about. So until that gets dealt with there isn't anything you can do against a blob of carriers.
Maybe bring in omegafleet before the 1000 domis? I mean if 1000 domis loaded grid, maybe 500 nags and 500 domis could also load grid. Just saying.... |
PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2014.01.24 22:46:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Maybe bring in omegafleet before the 1000 domis? I mean if 1000 domis loaded grid, maybe 500 nags and 500 domis could also load grid. Just saying.... Cyno jammers cause issues with cynos. Just saying...
What's the range on a cynojammer? How big is a solar system? Drop 500 nags and 500 domis somewhere else. All of their caps, supers, and titans were bubbled. Weren't going anywhere. Hostile subcap support was light, certainly not a match for your 500 domis. Then use amazing warp function to land on grid. Much hard. |
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Posted - 2014.01.24 22:52:00 -
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Gary Bell wrote:
You must make lots of isk in highsec lol..
There is no warping in 10 percent tidi with 10k drones deployed and 4k people in system
Haven't lived in hisec in 5 years bro. PLN3 brought ~1k people. 1k+500 domis+500 nags = 2k. Not 4k. Math much hard. |
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Posted - 2014.01.24 23:14:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:About the only things that were working were the DDs.
Which could be readily fixed by bringing in 500 nags and 500 domis instead of ~2700 ships total.  |
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Posted - 2014.01.24 23:32:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:baltec1 wrote:About the only things that were working were the DDs. Which could be readily fixed by bringing in 500 nags and 500 domis instead of ~2700 ships total. Believe it or not, N3 will dump just as many ships into a fight as we will.
That was kinda my point actually. N3PL brought ~1000 ships total. You brought in god knows how much other ****, deployed your sentries and then brought in your dreads. At which point they couldn't do a thing. Whereas if you brought 500 nags+500 domis, your dreads could have actually done something.
My only point is this: IF Omegafleet is a good idea, that you think could actually work in a reasonably low lag TiDi environment, then you should do everything in your power to see that such an environment presents itself.
That could mean, for example, going lighter on the subcap support side as PLN3 has already done. Your 500 domis would still mop the floor with their even lighter subcap support. |
PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2014.01.24 23:48:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:
My only point is this: IF Omegafleet is a good idea (and not just spin), that you think could actually work in a reasonably low lag TiDi environment, then you should do everything in your power to see that such an environment presents itself.
That could mean, for example, going lighter on the subcap support side as PLN3 has already done. Your 500 domis would still mop the floor with their even lighter subcap support.
And we enter capitals online. CCP do not want subcaps to be useless.
Neither side was without subcaps in the fight. It would be more accurate to say Combined Arms Online. Caps, Supers, and Subcaps are stronger together then they are alone. Makes sense, really.
And honestly, most people want N+1 Online even less. |
PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2014.01.25 00:08:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:
Neither side was without subcaps in the fight. It would be more accurate to say Combined Arms Online. Caps, Supers, and Subcaps are stronger together then they are alone. Makes sense, really.
And honestly, most people want N+1 Online even less.
Only subcaps can do nothing to the capital fleets while the capitals rip the subcaps apart. You are defending a much worse version of N+1.
And supers and titans can't do **** to subcaps. What's your point? Titans, if unprotected, will die to subcaps. Capitals can die to Titans and supers. Subcaps can die to caps. If certain conditions are met, each of these scenarios can be reversed.
You aren't loosing to a force of archons exclusively. You're loosing to a cohesive force of subcaps, caps, supercaps, and titans. That is the exact opposite of N+1. That's combined arms.
And here's the thing: It's entirely possible that Omegafleet is the answer to that particular problem. The problem is you put your dreads in the absolute worst position possible when you, for all intents and purposes, tried to crash the node.
If you go up against the ~1000 man PLN3 wrecking ball with 500 domis and 500 dreads, you may have a chance. No one really knows, it hasn't been tried before (without shooting one's self in the foot anyway). But it might require you to abandon your favored N+1 approach. |
PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2014.01.25 00:14:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:
They dont work.
Why not? |
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Posted - 2014.01.25 00:18:00 -
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Andski wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:Only we wont use what works because we're trying to prove a point - Goons 2014
so we mass a ton of maelstroms, drop them on your slows at 30km, start blapping away which side's DPS will erode faster: the maelstroms 30km from a pile of sentry carriers, or the sentry carriers
Is it easier to replace a wrecked maelstrom or a wrecked archon? |
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Posted - 2014.01.25 00:23:00 -
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Andski wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Is it easier to replace a wrecked maelstrom or a wrecked archon? Both sides have huge caches of replacement capitals, so that's irrelevant.
If you have a huge cache of replacement capitals, you can certainly get a huge cache of replacement maelstroms, making this point:
Andski wrote:which side's DPS will erode faster
Also irrelevant.
Reship and bridge in more maelstroms. |
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Posted - 2014.01.25 01:14:00 -
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Andski wrote:[quote=Mario Putzo] We'd also need 800+ Tornadoes.
This is ridiculously unrealistic.
But 700 dreads is cool. |
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Posted - 2014.01.25 01:41:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:You just need to alpha one Archon and then you can go home because you've won.
Well...if you have 800 maelstroms....and you need 250 maelstroms to volley an archon, it will take the archons a fair bit of time to get you below 250 maels, and in that time you'll volley a fair few archons.
Furthermore, since we know both sides have huge stockpiles of ships:
Andski wrote:
Both sides have huge caches of replacement capitals, so that's irrelevant.
You can just reship and bridge in more maels once you start approaching that 250 figure. |
PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2014.01.25 02:03:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:
You don't need to use all 8 guns on each ship...
You have never been in a fleet have you?
Using two groups of 4 guns can't be that much of a mental exertion, even for CFC linemembers. |
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Posted - 2014.01.25 02:09:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:
Using two groups of 4 guns can't be that much of a mental exertion, even for CFC linemembers.
Its a surefire way of killing nothing.
Given that it's pretty common practice......lol. |
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Posted - 2014.01.25 02:11:00 -
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Eram Fidard wrote:
"Perfect Alpha" vs "Idiots like you who think it's ok to ungroup guns"
Could you imagine pressing F1 and F2?!?! Oh the horror! |
PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2014.01.25 02:21:00 -
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Eram Fidard wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Eram Fidard wrote:
"Perfect Alpha" vs "Idiots like you who think it's ok to ungroup guns"
Could you imagine pressing F1 and F2?!?! Oh the horror! Yes, it is terrifying, particularly when only a single person on the other side needs to press only a single button to get perfect alpha every time. I love going afk and collecting killmails as much as the next guy, but cmon now.
Oh, the AFK archon argument. I like this one. This is the one were you tell me that the Archon that pulls its drones every time someone tries to bomb the sentries is AFK. It is, isn't it? 
Man, I just love how AFK archons can pull and redeploy drones by themselves.
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PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2014.01.25 02:27:00 -
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Andski wrote:it defeats spies, it defeats everything along those lines.
God forbid you actually have to use internet spaceships to fight your internet space battles. |
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