If you don't learn how to control the war, the war will control you
- Colonel Roger Ramjet, Mekong Gulf Yacht Club, 1968

You're the one talking about ridiculous edge cases.

Nobody war decs anybody in EVE for "good fights." Even the "elite highsec PvP'ers" are incredibly risk averse.

The reason they war dec smaller entities is so they can crush them with overwhelming power. If I get war dec'd by some corp with 300+ people in it, I'm not going to try to "defend myself" from them as that would be a futile exercise against overwhelming numbers. I'd just evade the war dec.

Every black is a drug dealer?

You blame the system, but the issue is the attitude of those who aren't willing to fight.

I would like to point out that the desire to kill another player in a video game is neither inappropriate, untoward, or even surprising.

Being able to do so is one of the main selling points of the game besides.

That is just it Angelica.

You know I love you but there are people in this game and in the world who do NOT want to fight. In truth, they just want to be left the **** alone. Changing the mechanics as the distinguished lady from Minnesota (who is just as off her rocker as her namesake) has suggested would either force people to fight or cost them a "prohibitive" 500m ISK per week by dropping into an NPC corp or they would just dock up or just quit playing. A mechanic that discourages people from logging in is no bueno.

I know this is hard for a lot of people to understand. This game is supposed to be about fighting each other but that's not ALL that it's about.

I would compare war dec'ing to more like a lawsuit than an actual war.

Which lines up with the concept that it's much easier to evade said lawsuits when you are tiny and agile -- but if you are large hulking corporation, those lawsuits can't be easily evaded.

That is just it Angelica.

You know I love you but there are people in this game and in the world who do NOT want to fight. In truth, they just want to be left the **** alone. Changing the mechanics as the distinguished lady from Minnesota (who is just as off her rocker as her namesake) has suggested would either force people to fight or cost them a "prohibitive" 500m ISK per week by dropping into an NPC corp or they would just dock up or just quit playing. A mechanic that discourages people from logging in is no bueno.

I know this is hard for a lot of people to understand. This game is supposed to be about fighting each other but that's not ALL that it's about.

Individiuals always win lawsuits against multinational corporations.

I would say that EVE is a game about competition among players, and cooperation among players. Because it's a video game, there are more people into the "shooting" competition than are into the other forms of competition in the game, but everything in the game is fundamentally competitive/cooperative -- not just combat PvP.

It's probably a bit too easy for corps to evade, but the reason for that is that CCP understands that there are some players who really are carebears -- that is, they don't want to be involved in combat PvP at all. No incentive will change their behavior. If EVE were restructured as a game where anyone over 6 months old could be wardecced at any time, the true carebear players would either find a way around that (like they do under current mechanics) or simply avoid playing. The idea that you can change the behavior of these players through incentives is false -- and CCP understands that. These are "hard" preferences we are dealing with here, and EVE, as a game, is designed to accommodate that playstyle as well as the combat PvP playstyle.

As for NPC corps and the question of why everyone isn't subject to the same mechanics, the answer is the same. Some people are simply carebears. Being in an NPC corp has disadvantages, even for carebears (e.g., no POS), and generally is a more limited experience than being in the world of player owned corps. But, again there are players who prefer that tradeoff, and CCP has always made it available to them. It's fine that they are not subject to the wardec mechanic, because there are tradeoffs there which these players have bought into by staying in an NPC corp. Forcing these carebears out of their NPC corps and into small player owned corps so that they can be wardecced will simply cause them to logoff, perhaps permanently if it is a common occurrence. Yes, players who are more diverse and rounded in their gameplay will shake their heads at this, noting that they should HTFU and L2P and so on, but, again, the reality is that there are players who will not change their playstyle because they do not find it fun to do so --> the bottom line is that you cannot force a playstyle on people that they will actually play. You can, however, by forcing a playstyle on them, force them into a hard decision as to whether or not to continue playing -- either for as long as the war lasts, or, again depending on individual thresholds, permanently.

Far better for the game to accommodate different playstyles, with the NPC corps, and their disadvantages, for people who want a more limited play experience.

That is just it Angelica.

You know I love you but there are people in this game and in the world who do NOT want to fight. In truth, they just want to be left the **** alone. Changing the mechanics as the distinguished lady from Minnesota (who is just as off her rocker as her namesake) has suggested would either force people to fight or cost them a "prohibitive" 500m ISK per week by dropping into an NPC corp or they would just dock up or just quit playing. A mechanic that discourages people from logging in is no bueno.

I know this is hard for a lot of people to understand. This game is supposed to be about fighting each other but that's not ALL that it's about.

It is, because it's not true.

The advantage of fighting is grown experience and possibly satisfaction. The disadvantage of running away is that it reinforces cowardness and the belief that problems can be solved that way.

i'm talking about the lack of mechanical conflict drivers

GFs and ganks shouldn't be the only reason to fight

What?

We're comparing large corporations to small corporations. The war dec mechanic has nothing to do with individuals, nor is it intended to.

You're both in the same system. Good enough reason tbh. I mean, this game is being marketed as a PvP-oriented MMO, do you really need more reasons to fight?

You didnt say that in your lawsuit metaphor.

Individual or small corp, same result versus multinational.

Don't be so obtuse.

A small corporation can often easily dissolve itself and "evade" the larger corp. The same is not true in reverse. Unless the feds get involved and go after you for some sort of actual crime, there's not much the other party can stop you from just dissolving yourself - especially if you are low on assets to begin with.

Yes, "obtuse."

You're both in the same system. Good enough reason tbh. I mean, this game is being marketed as a PvP-oriented MMO, do you really need more reasons to fight?

Your grip on business law appears to be as loose, or even as non-existant as your grip on both reality and the english language.

+1 for pulling me into another one of your pointless nonsenses with no meaning.

When you've lost the argument, insult the person.

Meanwhile: you live in a reality where people don't chain successive ownerships of small/empty LLCs that are basically nothing but names. Yeah. Never happens. Not ever.

And it's certainly not an evasive strategy. Not at all.

no, but in return they should not expect to have the same potential success as those who are willing to risk what they have or those who are willing to fight for success. currently the highest success can be gained dismantling starbases, reforming corp or dropping corp for many activities. this robs the players who desire opportunity to succeed to a greater degree by being bold, taking chances, making friends, playing smart or fighting for what's theirs

eve promises more than just call of duty stuff, conflict driver are deffo needed

Please, tell me more of this fascinating tale of sweetie mice running around in your head. I'm sure Im not the only one hanging on each word.

i think you've lost it mate.

did you get ganked in highsec today? is that why you are here?

So you are conceding now, then?

Apology accepted.

You may go about your business.

I partly agree with you ... and partly agree with him.

It doesn't hurt to have more things to actually fight for/over, but it's not like there aren't any things to fight for/over already.

In the end, though, it wouldn't stop people from whining about being victims wardecs.

No, I just pointed out that you had apparently "lost it" as you mentioned "sweetie mice" in the context of corporations.

If there are harsher penalties for not fighting or evading a wardec, you only incentivize (that isn't a word?) people staying docked, not logging in, and just waiting out the war. Again, no bueno.