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Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
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Posted - 2014.02.07 15:19:00 -
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Jukio Saisima wrote:As I said before. T2 cruiser ORE hull is what you need.
Even with same mining bonuses as let say Skiff it will be useless in AFK high sec mining (less tank). Would work in null and low.
Something like ORE version of Ishtar. 125 mb drone bandwith, 250 drone bay, no tracking bonuses (or maybe 5% per lvl as N. Vexor), no turret mounts. Instead you get mining bonuses. Skiff level of yield, 20k of ore space...
I think something like that would work.
Btw drones are nasty PVP weapon in the right ship. That is why Domi and Ishtar are used so much. Training time for drones is longer then any other weapon system. But you do get ideal PVP option in low and null for miners.
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Let me try this version:
I would want a ship that would never be picked in high sec, outside of a war dec scenario. The loss of yield combined with existing tanking options which can bring in Concord reliably would be exhumers / barges as the obvious choice for most.
I want a ship that can expect to typically be solo, or with maybe up to 1 or 2 others similarly present. Zero dedicated PVP support.
Further, since this is expected often enough to be planned around, I would like it capable of surviving long enough under BLOPs drop conditions for one of two results to occur:
1. The ship(s) themselves to employ DPS which changes the balance against the attackers. (Attackers flee)
2. Possible assistance to arrive from neighboring systems. This requires realistically 2 to 5 minutes, and is likely only if the main opposing DPS is removed from action. This means a probable cruiser sized target, possibly 2 or 3, must be eliminated.
No guarantees of these results is being insisted on, I want the capability to exist in the minds of the would-be attackers.
Unless the attacker is willing to accept higher ISK loss than their target, attacking these fighting miners should be bad for business.
I want the miners to win on an excel sheet. The rest will follow.
I do not expect a cruiser class to resist multiple cruiser class attackers. The math doesn't support this.
I do not expect this to support a gtfo option by the time a threat arrives in system, much less on grid. We already have that, and balance to me suggests the ship should not outperform other options in their own respective areas.
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Kasife Vynneve
Nourwolf Corporation
Fortis Et Certus
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Posted - 2014.02.07 19:27:00 -
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Scythi Magellen wrote:Why bother ganking them in the first place? You get more items dropped and consequently more valuable items ganking bigger ships. 
Because pond scum want a target to shoot at that's unlikely to bite back.
On to the topic: A Gas specialized harvester would be nice, a evolution from the wonderful Venture taken to a larger size.
This could also be in the perveiw on a t3 ORE vessel, particully for WH ninja harvesting.
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Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
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Posted - 2014.02.07 21:09:00 -
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Kasife Vynneve wrote:More variants of mining drones would be nice as well relating to the size of drones that are available ~ maybe heavy mining drones can do a block of ice and medium mount gas harvesters.
This has also caught my attention recently, as I think more variety of mining drones could make mining a more interesting possibility.
Specifically, the larger sizes could be useful, perhaps as you described them.
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Captain StringfellowHawk
The Riot Formation
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2014.02.10 01:09:00 -
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Yes please. Industry needs some newer Mining ships not just re-rolled haulers. Love all the new pew pew ships, but would love to see industry fleshed out a little more. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
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Posted - 2014.02.10 01:50:00 -
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Orca T2 Variants:
Narhwhale
Capacity: 45,000m3
Drone Bay: 100m3
Drone Bandwidth: 50Mbit/s
Ore Capacity: 500,000m3
No Fleet Hanger
Other stats identical to Orca.
What you would have here is a dedicate mining fleet ship. It boosts miners and loads their ore. It loads a lot of ore - almost, but not quite, as much as a freighter.
The drawback is the complete lack of a fleet hanger, meaning it lacks the versatility of the original Orca.
Posidon
Fleet Hanger: 60,000m3
Ship Maintenance Bay: 800,000m3
No Ore Bay
Other stats identical to Orca.
And here we have a dedicated capsuleer carrier ship. Sucks for mining operations, but for the nomad/fleet player, the ability to pack in twice the fitted ships as the regular Orca makes this a flying hanger. Perfect for explorers, mission runners, and some more inventive PvPers.
Special Ability of Both T2 Orcas: Ships can be Anchored like a mobile structure. An anchored ship can still be attacked (rules same as whatever sec level of the system it is in) but cannot be unanchored (read: stolen) by anyone outside of the same corporation.
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Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
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Posted - 2014.02.10 14:24:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Orca T2 Variants:
Narhwhale
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Posidon
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Special Ability of Both T2 Orcas: Ships can be Anchored like a mobile structure. An anchored ship can still be attacked (rules same as whatever sec level of the system it is in) but cannot be unanchored (read: stolen) by anyone outside of the same corporation.
Sounds nice, and I really like the expansion on this, the Orca feels like the destroyer of the cap set, with minimal representation.
Side note, did you mean to name the second one Poseidon?
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James Nikolas Tesla
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
87
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Posted - 2014.02.10 19:12:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Special Ability of Both T2 Orcas: Ships can be Anchored like a mobile structure. An anchored ship can still be attacked (rules same as whatever sec level of the system it is in) but cannot be unanchored (read: stolen) by anyone outside of the same corporation.
That is a freaking amazing idea. +1
For the skill requirements, I think Mining Barge III should be sufficient with a T2 variant that has either Exhumers I or III. The T1 ship would be like the one in my OP and the T2 would be able to fit Mining Forman Links and would require Mining Director I and Leadership I.
I also keep hearing about a Mining Cruiser and I have to say that these Mining Barges are comparable to the size of a cruiser. That is why I want a BS sized barge.
Don't tease the Rats, and if you do, GTFO of the system. Unless you are dumb like me and try to ninja some more ore while an HIC sneaks up on you.
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James Nikolas Tesla
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
87
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Posted - 2014.02.10 19:20:00 -
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I updated the OP.
Don't tease the Rats, and if you do, GTFO of the system. Unless you are dumb like me and try to ninja some more ore while an HIC sneaks up on you.
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