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James Nikolas Tesla Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 15	Posted - 2014.01.26 06:55:00 - [1] - Quote I've been thinking of this idea for quite some time and have beat out some rough numbers for a versatile battleship hull of ORE design that can be used for mining, mining fleet defence, or somewhere in between. Name: Bulwark (Suggestions Welcome) H - 4 M - 5 L - 5 Turret Hardpoints - 4 Cargo Hold - 500 Ore Hold - 20,000 m^3 Drone Bay - 75 m^3 Drone Bandwidth - 50 mbps Shield - 6000 Armor - 6000 Structure - 6000 Rig Size - Large Velocity - 60 m/s PG - 1500 CPU - 500 Capacitor - 1000 Cap Recharge - 125 s Cap Recharge Rate - 8 gj/s Lock Range - 50 km Role Bonus 95% reduction in PG need of large turrets 50% reduction in CPU need of large turrets 50% reduction in capacitor need of large hybrid and energy turrets Exhumers Skill Bonus 10% Increased scan range for Survey Scanners per level 20% Increased range of Strip Miners per level Skill Requirements: Exhumers III and its prerequisite skills Any ideas for suggestions/changes are welcome. Having a heart is what makes you strong, but it can also make you weak.
Ashala Arcsylver Gypsy Rose Mining 15	Posted - 2014.01.26 06:59:00 - [2] - Quote This at least makes more sense than the current version of the SOE battleship.
Riot Girl You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack 2506	Posted - 2014.01.26 08:09:00 - [3] - Quote What makes this ship worth the cost of ganking it? Oh god.
Lephia DeGrande Luxembourg Space Union 191	Posted - 2014.01.26 08:18:00 - [4] - Quote Why not, Mining Marauders was already suggested and damn we Love the idea, some mining Domi (sry) i mean Battleship would be cool.
HandelsPharmi Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 178	Posted - 2014.01.26 08:32:00 - [5] - Quote A Hulk can fit 3 Strip Miners. Boni are: 15 % from Mining Barge 5 and 15 % from Exhumers 5. 31.151.15 = 3,9675 Your battle ship can fit 4 Strip Miners. It would be better, if you ccould fit Modulated Deep Core Miner T2 with Crystals only! - Like the Veldnaught :) Modulated Strip Core MIner: 360 m-¦ + 360 m-¦ (+ crystal bonus) vs. Modulated Deep Core Miner: 250 m-¦ + 250 m-¦ (+ crystal bonus)
Anomaly One Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 189	Posted - 2014.01.26 08:59:00 - [6] - Quote i'd accept any new mining ship! but make it require exhumers 5. Never forget. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8sfaN8zT8E http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l_ZjVyRxx4 Trust me, I'm an Anomaly. DUST 514 FOR PC
HandelsPharmi Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 178	Posted - 2014.01.26 09:06:00 - [7] - Quote or even more difficult... Deep Core Mining Level 5
Riot Girl You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack 2506	Posted - 2014.01.26 09:15:00 - [8] - Quote That all sounds very lovely, but what is the incentive to gank it? Oh god.
Lephia DeGrande Luxembourg Space Union 191	Posted - 2014.01.26 09:20:00 - [9] - Quote Salvage? Killmails? Ore? da lulz? ^^
Riot Girl You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack 2506	Posted - 2014.01.26 09:23:00 - [10] - Quote I had something a bit more rewarding in mind. Oh god.

Johann Rascali Crunchy Crunchy The Obsidian Front 90	Posted - 2014.01.26 09:40:00 - [11] - Quote Pretty much the same reward you get from ganking regular barges. Don't see why one should be different from the others. Welcome to our universe where cooldown timers are a mystery, the PLEX menu is just an advertisement, shrapnel bombs deal explosive force, concussion bombs are somehow kinetically penetrative, and who left all these prototype Inferno modules all over the place?
Riot Girl You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack 2506	Posted - 2014.01.26 09:52:00 - [12] - Quote Because it has a lot more tank than a regular barge and costs a lot more to destroy. Oh god.
Danika Princip Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team 2358	Posted - 2014.01.26 11:08:00 - [13] - Quote More tank, more cargo and more yield than any of the current barges. Where's the downside? Do you want to replace every mining ship with one of these?
HandelsPharmi Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 178	Posted - 2014.01.26 11:21:00 - [14] - Quote Danika Princip wrote: More tank, more cargo and more yield than any of the current barges. Where's the downside? Do you want to replace every mining ship with one of these? HandelsPharmi wrote: It would be better, if you ccould fit Modulated Deep Core Miner T2 with crystals only! - Like the Veldnaught :) comparing the moduls without ANY boni (imps, fleet, ships...) Modulated Strip Core MIner: 360 m-¦ + 360 m-¦ (+ crystal bonus) = max. 990.0 m-¦ vs. Modulated Deep Core Miner: 250 m-¦ + 250 m-¦ (+ crystal bonus) = max. 687.5 m-¦ compared to a skiff it would be 66.0 % efficient, 34 % less than the tanky skiff and if you want to fit weapons, you will sacrifice a slot for your mining lasers
Riot Girl You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack 2509	Posted - 2014.01.26 11:28:00 - [15] - Quote HandelsPharmi wrote: if you want to fit weapons, you will sacrifice a slot for your mining lasers No one is going to fit weapons. All you're going to do is mine AFK in perfect safety which is why it needs to have an incentive for gankers. Oh god.
HandelsPharmi Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 178	Posted - 2014.01.26 11:32:00 - [16] - Quote Skiff has MORE EHP than this slowboating battleship but less cargo (15k vs. 20k m-¦)
Riot Girl You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack 2509	Posted - 2014.01.26 11:39:00 - [17] - Quote How often are Skiffs suicide ganked? Oh god.
Riot Girl You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack 2509	Posted - 2014.01.26 11:40:00 - [18] - Quote HandelsPharmi wrote: if the BS hull would cost around 500 Mio (ORE LP shop, best idea!) it would be a better target for gankers How? Oh god.
HandelsPharmi Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 178	Posted - 2014.01.26 11:43:00 - [19] - Quote give it a bonus like: +xx % per level if there are any ORE Strip Miners fitted it should have less EHP than a Skiff! they are expensive and would make it a profitable suicide gank target less EHP, more expensive less yield, higher requirements
Riot Girl You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack 2509	Posted - 2014.01.26 11:54:00 - [20] - Quote HandelsPharmi wrote: +xx % per level if there are any ORE Strip Miners fitted So these ORE strip miners will be very expensive faction mods that get extra mining bonuses? Well it would make the ship a far more appealing target, however it comes at a cost of buffing the mining yield of the whole of New Eden, which may have serious repercussions. HandelsPharmi wrote: The yield shoult be a ~10 % higher than in a skiff if you fit 4 Mining Laser Upgrades. But only with faction mods. Well I don't really care about this BS idea much, but I definitely like the idea of expensive faction mods for miners and will +1 that part. Oh god.

HandelsPharmi Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 178	Posted - 2014.01.26 12:04:00 - [21] - Quote ORE Ice Harvester ORE Deep Core Mining Laser ORE Strip Miner these modules should get a bonus and the base yield should be lowered as well you are able to harvest ice or ore, use T1 and T2 crystals at a high risk-reward-ratio But it should be much more expensive than a T2 fitted Hulk, sure.
Riot Girl You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack 2509	Posted - 2014.01.26 12:23:00 - [22] - Quote Wait, these faction mods already exist and no one uses them. Oh god.
HandelsPharmi Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 178	Posted - 2014.01.26 12:34:00 - [23] - Quote because they are very expensive and like T1 modules but with a longer range (17 km vs. 15 km)
Riot Girl You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack 2509	Posted - 2014.01.26 12:52:00 - [24] - Quote Eve-Central shows only 6 ORE modules on the market and they're in lowsec for 400m each. That isn't going to help your role bonuses much. Oh god.
HandelsPharmi Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 178	Posted - 2014.01.26 12:55:00 - [25] - Quote http://www.ellatha.com/eve/lp/Outer-Ring-Excavations They could be bought here...
Bethan Le Troix Krusual Investigation Agency 66	Posted - 2014.01.26 13:27:00 - [26] - Quote I'm not sure this new battleship is required especially if it has increased yield when mining. As far as a fleet defence ship for mining fleets I don't think this part of your argument holds water either. Defence for mining fleets in nullsec could probably be achieved by deploying other existing and probably smaller hulled ships with better results. As far as defence for mining fleets in high sec systems is concerned the proposed ships would not be able to stop or hinder suicide ganks. Mining barges & exhumers can be fitted with sufficient tank to prevent or reduce the likelihood of suicide ganks along with not being afk and using your brain. Unfortunately I estimate at least eighty percent of pilots in mining vessels think a shield recharger or a small shield booster constitutes a viable tank. Obviously this is an incorrect assumption but don't let me stop you doing the same .
James Nikolas Tesla Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 16	Posted - 2014.01.26 18:58:00 - [27] - Quote Danika Princip wrote: More tank, more cargo and more yield than any of the current barges. Where's the downside? Do you want to replace every mining ship with one of these? It has less yield than a Hulk, less ore capacity than a Mack, and less tank than a Skiff. I tried to focus on versatility while trying to give it some characteristics of a battleship. It is as slow as an Orca which is why I gave it the bonus to Strip Miner and Survey Scanner range. I increased the PG and CPU so you can fit more of a tank and added a bonus to mining crystal effectiveness. At Exhumers V you can get a T2 crystal from a 1.75 multiplier to a 2.18 multiplier. I added two more bonuses: x% increase in large turret damage x% increase in large turret optimal and falloff range Feel free to throw out some numbers, I want this to be able to compete with other ships. Another idea I have been tossing around is to increase the Drone Bay size and the ship's Bandwidth. As for the bonus to the ORE modules, it seems too specific plus they are very expensive. Having a heart is what makes you strong, but it can also make you weak.
Riot Girl You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack 2512	Posted - 2014.01.26 19:06:00 - [28] - Quote So if it does everything worse than Exhumers, what is the point of it? Oh god.
James Nikolas Tesla Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 16	Posted - 2014.01.26 19:07:00 - [29] - Quote Riot Girl wrote: So if it does everything worse than Exhumers, what is the point of it? Versatility and a hell of a lot more bite than any other mining vessel. Having a heart is what makes you strong, but it can also make you weak.
Riot Girl You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack 2512	Posted - 2014.01.26 19:26:00 - [30] - Quote Mining ships don't need versatility or bite. Oh god.



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