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Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol	Posted - 2006.03.29 14:08:00 - [151] Originally by: Jacob Majestic Originally by: Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol dumb fitting I hear that QuickFit has a cap use simulation. Might want to put that fitting through it and see what pops out. Hint: if you have max cap skills, your tank might last 90 seconds. reread my post moron ---------------------------------------------
Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol	Posted - 2006.03.29 14:23:00 - [152] By the sound of the problems with the blasterthron it would be easier to design a new ship specifically meant for them. How much of a damage increase do peeps want anyway? ---------------------------------------------
Kaleeb	Posted - 2006.03.29 14:25:00 - [153] 7xion II standard mids 2x large acoms 1x adaptive magnetic plate 1x explosive magnetic plate 2x mag stab II 1x damage control not as nice as EANM but I dont need a co pro etc
ChalSto	Posted - 2006.03.29 14:54:00 - [154] Originally by: LWMaverick Originally by: ChalSto Edited by: ChalSto on 29/03/2006 12:05:00 Every single time i see youre posts here on the forum, my eyes begin to bleed... Stop flaming and give us some constructive solutions. All I heard from you so far was "lol" "rofl" "stupid" and other nice constructive ideas to solve to blaster issue Have you ever flown a blasterthorn by youself? If "yes", why you are flaming then? You should know the problem then. If "no", well..........we¦ll still ignore you then Dude... These blaster issues isnt something that has come up recently.. it has been going on for a looong time, and i already stated a thousand times what i think. ~1+ Year of experience with blasters, what about you? Im not saying there isnt a problem, i cant wait for them to be fixed, and even though they've got a problem, im still flying them.. And btw, talk for yourself mkay? The anger is not against you or something like that, mkay? And this is one of my chars who can fly blasterthrons. And the problem is known for 2 YEARS now And a lil¦ fitting-requirement adjust does not solve the problem . Blasterthron will still loose any engagement becouse of too less dmg to kill a bs and rmr forced this problem even more. I prophesy lots of big whine/anger-threats after Blaster-"fix" from the Bthron-pilots. Current Location: Relax and drinking a beer with Dreez and waiting for TomB¦s Blaster changes
Zysco	Posted - 2006.03.29 17:33:00 - [155] Originally by: Kaleeb 7xion II standard mids 2x large acoms 1x adaptive magnetic plate 1x explosive magnetic plate 2x mag stab II 1x damage control not as nice as EANM but I dont need a co pro etc Yeah but your resists are pretty much **** callon > I don't like traveling much, i think its cause my father used to beat me with a globe. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=300438New vid: "we're back
Insane Asylum	Posted - 2006.03.29 19:05:00 - [156] Bleh, my setup worked fine for me: 6 Neutron II Gist X-type MWD Low cpu web/20k scram Heavy Electrochemical Cap Injector 1 Large Accom 1600mm Tungsten plate TS/DB/SS Hardeners 2 Mag Stab II Guess who's alt I am
Porro	Posted - 2006.03.29 19:06:00 - [157] Edited by: Porro on 29/03/2006 19:07:02 Originally by: Hamatitio With max skills, including spec 5, torp raven does 651 max dps. Don't know where you pulled this magical 810 number from. + You are comparing a megathron w/o dmg mods to a raven with 3. I know, I was comparing it to what dr tetrahydra...etc :P said, drones btw, 3 ogre II's arnt to be laughed at :) ---------------------------------------------------- (22:01:14) (Sangxianc) you, porro, have madder skillzors than i, sang, do
MissileRus	Posted - 2006.03.29 19:08:00 - [158] wow... i watched 3 uber blasterthon pvp vids like 40 minutes ago and saw this thread now LOL! not gonna say anything except that if their going to change something it better be cap usage for heavy blasters.. thats what i can agree with is needed --------------------------- 4. i like pizza
Gimmie HACs	Posted - 2006.03.29 19:11:00 - [159] Originally by: MissileRus wow... i watched 3 uber blasterthon pvp vids like 40 minutes ago and saw this thread now LOL! not gonna say anything except that if their going to change something it better be cap usage for heavy blasters.. thats what i can agree with is needed most of the recent blasterthron vids comprise of 99% ganks vs npcers, which can be done in any ship.
Insane Asylum	Posted - 2006.03.29 19:13:00 - [160] Originally by: Gimmie HACs Originally by: MissileRus wow... i watched 3 uber blasterthon pvp vids like 40 minutes ago and saw this thread now LOL! not gonna say anything except that if their going to change something it better be cap usage for heavy blasters.. thats what i can agree with is needed most of the recent blasterthron vids comprise of 99% ganks vs npcers, which can be done in any ship. Mine wasnt all ganks against NPCers Guess who's alt I am
Admiral IceBlock	Posted - 2006.03.29 19:18:00 - [161] tbh to make a megathron be able to fitt tackling, tank and damage is a bit selfish. it should not be able to perform all three without sacrifice. "We brake for nobody"
KilROCK	Posted - 2006.03.29 19:44:00 - [162] Originally by: MissileRus wow... i watched 3 uber blasterthon pvp vids like 40 minutes ago and saw this thread now LOL! not gonna say anything except that if their going to change something it better be cap usage for heavy blasters.. thats what i can agree with is needed Stop being clueless. About every megathron in those movie have at least 100m worth of faction mods to make the setup fit. And then the performance is not that great. Except for Lopez Billion Isk Navy issue mega. (which is awesome because of the 8th lowslot.) Originally by: KilROCK My sig are under or 24kb, Each of them. SO PAWS OFF, that's the 3rd time, seriously annoyed now.
Porro	Posted - 2006.03.29 19:48:00 - [163] I guess that, having an optimal of 3k, having crappy cap, and not being able to engage anything over 30k+ is a sort of trade? :P ---------------------------------------------------- (22:01:14) (Sangxianc) you, porro, have madder skillzors than i, sang, do
Hugh Ruka	Posted - 2006.03.29 20:01:00 - [164] Originally by: Admiral IceBlock tbh to make a megathron be able to fitt tackling, tank and damage is a bit selfish. it should not be able to perform all three without sacrifice. lol, this one is good, I agree Please ignore this post, I have 0 experience with megathron. ------------------------------ if you want peace, prepare for war ... ------------------------------ Removed due to offensive content - Laqum I realy liked my signature. Oh well
Gimmie HACs	Posted - 2006.03.29 20:03:00 - [165] Originally by: Admiral IceBlock tbh to make a megathron be able to fitt tackling, tank and damage is a bit selfish. it should not be able to perform all three without sacrifice. why? the dominix can. the apoc can. the tempest can. the raven can. the typhoon almost can.
Hugh Ruka	Posted - 2006.03.29 20:09:00 - [166] Originally by: Gimmie HACs Originally by: Admiral IceBlock tbh to make a megathron be able to fitt tackling, tank and damage is a bit selfish. it should not be able to perform all three without sacrifice. why? the dominix can. the apoc can. the tempest can. the raven can. the typhoon almost can. lol raven can ? 4 slot shield tank and without cap injector ... hahaha ------------------------------ if you want peace, prepare for war ... ------------------------------ Removed due to offensive content - Laqum I realy liked my signature. Oh well
Kaleeb	Posted - 2006.03.29 20:10:00 - [167] Originally by: Zysco Yeah but your resists are pretty much **** Yeah this is true but I find it better than electrons and EANM. Hopefully after the patch I can fit that setup with EANM's
Cummilla	Posted - 2006.03.29 21:08:00 - [168] So when someone works to manage engagements so that you spend maximum time in your optimal envelope for damage....that's dismissed as "ganking"?????? I work to have fights that start with me in the best possible position for the longest and because of that I don't have to sacrifice what MWD users do in terms of cap\cpu\grid. This allows me to cap inject, plate, and dlar, along with a decent mix of ions and electrons. I guess there really is no way around having the AB vs. MWD debate again is there?
Porro	Posted - 2006.03.29 21:55:00 - [169] Well the AB method only works in two situations, when you fly with a covert ops/when you're gate camping. Least thats the way that I see it :P So you need a mwd for general purpose use? ---------------------------------------------------- (22:01:14) (Sangxianc) you, porro, have madder skillzors than i, sang, do
Zysco	Posted - 2006.03.29 22:08:00 - [170] Originally by: Porro Well the AB method only works in two situations, when you fly with a covert ops/when you're gate camping. Least thats the way that I see it :P So you need a mwd for general purpose use? Yeah MWD is critical, dont understand the whole AB thing. Wtf you gonna do if you warp in and a target is 40km away? Plus you enter warp slower which makes chasing harder. callon > I don't like traveling much, i think its cause my father used to beat me with a globe. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=300438New vid: "we're back
MissileRus	Posted - 2006.03.29 22:15:00 - [171] Originally by: KilROCK Stop being clueless. About every megathron in those movie have at least 100m worth of faction mods to make the setup fit. And then the performance is not that great. Except for Lopez Billion Isk Navy issue mega. (which is awesome because of the 8th lowslot.) lol u need coffe --------------------------- 4. i like pizza
KilROCK	Posted - 2006.03.29 23:33:00 - [172] Originally by: MissileRus Originally by: KilROCK Stop being clueless. About every megathron in those movie have at least 100m worth of faction mods to make the setup fit. And then the performance is not that great. Except for Lopez Billion Isk Navy issue mega. (which is awesome because of the 8th lowslot.) lol u need coffe It'd tell you what you need but it would get censored and get me banned Originally by: KilROCK My sig are under or 24kb, Each of them. SO PAWS OFF, that's the 3rd time, seriously annoyed now.
Zysco	Posted - 2006.03.30 04:11:00 - [173] Originally by: KilROCK Originally by: MissileRus Originally by: KilROCK Stop being clueless. About every megathron in those movie have at least 100m worth of faction mods to make the setup fit. And then the performance is not that great. Except for Lopez Billion Isk Navy issue mega. (which is awesome because of the 8th lowslot.) lol u need coffe It'd tell you what you need but it would get censored and get me banned callon > I don't like traveling much, i think its cause my father used to beat me with a globe. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=300438New vid: "we're back
Theron Gyrow	Posted - 2006.03.30 05:12:00 - [174] Originally by: Hugh Ruka Originally by: Gimmie HACs Originally by: Admiral IceBlock tbh to make a megathron be able to fitt tackling, tank and damage is a bit selfish. it should not be able to perform all three without sacrifice. why? the dominix can. the apoc can. the tempest can. the raven can. the typhoon almost can. lol raven can ? 4 slot shield tank and without cap injector ... hahaha Raven doesn't need a webber to get reasonable hits against other battleships. Or, if it wants one, it can armor tank + EW tank. -- Gradient's forum
MissileRus	Posted - 2006.03.30 11:15:00 - [175] Originally by: KilROCK lol u need coffe It'd tell you what you need but it would get censored and get me banned /me changes coffe to get laid... --------------------------- 4. i like pizza
rig0r	Posted - 2006.03.30 11:45:00 - [176] Originally by: Zysco Originally by: Porro Well the AB method only works in two situations, when you fly with a covert ops/when you're gate camping. Least thats the way that I see it :P So you need a mwd for general purpose use? Yeah MWD is critical, dont understand the whole AB thing. Wtf you gonna do if you warp in and a target is 40km away? Plus you enter warp slower which makes chasing harder. If you're really gonna MWD 40km in a blasterthron you shouldn't be flying one. IMO you can't ask for a boost so a blasterthron can pwn anything closerange and have an ubertank at the same time. A small grid/cpu change is all that is required. And yes, this is a blasterthron pilot talking who has little difficulty killing battleships in 1vs1 engagements and not just against NPC setups.
Ithildin	Posted - 2006.03.30 12:21:00 - [177] If I ever say that blasters need more damage, then Generatorn has promised to pod me. In either case, a few comments from someone who's just spent a little time reading from page 1 to page 6. On a possible boost: As has been shown, cruiser sized blasters aren't too great, either, although there the problems can be found just as much in the ships as in the weapons. I must say, however, that there's a few options in boosting blasters available, and that are natural. A strict boost to only large blasters is not really natural. A common CCP way of fixing weapons is to aply the bonus like thus: 1x - 1x - 1x (small, medium large) However, it has been proven before that they can do it like thus: 0x - 0.5x - 1x The latter being something I'm a fan of. Whatever CCP decide large blasters need, a fix would leak down to cruiser size where it is need, too. On Tempest comparisons: When comparing the fitting of ACTempests versus Blasterthrons, then keep two things in mind. (Looking at the Tempest's situation) Slot layout: +1 med, -1 low Turret fitting: -50% CPU, -10% pg (arbitrary numbers, though not far from true) This, of course, doesn't tell the whole truth, considering that ACs use less capacitor at the expense of less damage, and so on. On Gallente ships' tracking bonuses: However you twist and turn it these tracking bonuses generally boil down to one thing: (certain) hybrid turret ships are good enough that they don't need two ship bonuses Why? Well, whatever your approach you'll find that even the new 7.5% tracking bonus won't make railguns come anywhere near beam lasers' innate tracking, and at the same time if a tracking bonus is need to operate the unique weapon system that is blasters... isn't something wrong with blasters in the first place? On the Megathron as a ship (Or "Railthrons exist!"): The Megathron is a great ship. It's one of the most commonly flown ship in the EVE universe in PvP, and also perhaps one of the easiest ships to fit effectively. When using railguns. I, for one, think this is slightly wrong since Railgun are Caldari weapons, but... Even in a blaster thred, this is something that must be admitted in order to keep the debate true. On comparing Ions to Electrons: Sun Ra, especially, you can't go around comparing "equal" setups. Higher grade guns generally do 5% more damage per second than their immidiate lower neighbour, so why are we not surprised when this is shown? Ions versus Neutrons tend to leave room for one or two damage mods, and the same is sometimes true when it comes to a downgrade to Electrons. That is how it needs to be compared as all you really loose when fitting smaller guns is range. And last a few musings on CCP's upgrade templates: Generally, all higher grade guns in EVE are based around one single turret. The ante-blaster is the Light Electron Blaster I, if you will. To this turret is then aplied a template to make the next one, it removes tracking and rate of fire, and adds more range, damage, and fitting requirements. This works pretty well for long range guns, but for ACs and Blasters it's not so great. Since the range aspect is removed due to Blasters' innate short range and ACs' unchangable falloff. All you loose is fitting space while you gain damage, the range aspect is removed. Ironically enough, on autocannons you only loose fitting because the ammo capacity is also reduced with size meaning lower effective dps i prolonged fights, but that's for OTHER threds. My point here is that, perhaps, the short range template needs to be looked at to give a slightly better boost to larger turrets? Originally by: KilROCK Originally by: Arkanor Gallente missileboat might be cool. Pod yourself till you got no skills.[
Zysco	Posted - 2006.03.30 14:06:00 - [178] Edited by: Zysco on 30/03/2006 14:06:23 Originally by: rig0r If you're really gonna MWD 40km in a blasterthron you shouldn't be flying one. wtf does that even mean? Quote: IMO you can't ask for a boost so a blasterthron can pwn anything closerange and have an ubertank at the same time. A small grid/cpu change is all that is required. And yes, this is a blasterthron pilot talking who has little difficulty killing battleships in 1vs1 engagements and not just against NPC setups. Yeah you are uber callon > I don't like traveling much, i think its cause my father used to beat me with a globe. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=300438New vid: "we're back
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.03.30 14:25:00 - [179] Originally by: Madcap Magician Raven pilots whine their DPS is hurt because their missiles have to fly to the target. Blasters? Well, we have to fly our whole damn ship to the target. Brilliant. Ravens have one very effective use: 2 month old mission runners who like to NPC the 'easy way'. ------------------ The ISS Navy is recruiting. See this thread for further details. www.eve-iss.com
rig0r	Posted - 2006.03.30 14:43:00 - [180] Edited by: rig0r on 30/03/2006 14:43:54 Originally by: Zysco Edited by: Zysco on 30/03/2006 14:06:23 Originally by: rig0r If you're really gonna MWD 40km in a blasterthron you shouldn't be flying one. wtf does that even mean? Quote: IMO you can't ask for a boost so a blasterthron can pwn anything closerange and have an ubertank at the same time. A small grid/cpu change is all that is required. And yes, this is a blasterthron pilot talking who has little difficulty killing battleships in 1vs1 engagements and not just against NPC setups. Yeah you are uber It means that the blasterthron is a close range ship. You're not expecting to be able to MWD 40km to some raven pilot, and still win the fight ? And I am not uber, I just think beyond the 'standard' blasterthron setup everyone seems to be following blindly. And wtf is with the italics :P

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