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Spartan239	Posted - 2006.03.30 14:43:00 - [181] Originally by: Butter Dog Ravens have one very effective use: 2 month old mission runners who like to NPC the 'easy way'. and people who dont like to worry about falloff, optimal etc
Zysco	Posted - 2006.03.30 15:46:00 - [182] Originally by: rig0r Edited by: rig0r on 30/03/2006 14:43:54 Originally by: Zysco Edited by: Zysco on 30/03/2006 14:06:23 Originally by: rig0r If you're really gonna MWD 40km in a blasterthron you shouldn't be flying one. wtf does that even mean? Quote: IMO you can't ask for a boost so a blasterthron can pwn anything closerange and have an ubertank at the same time. A small grid/cpu change is all that is required. And yes, this is a blasterthron pilot talking who has little difficulty killing battleships in 1vs1 engagements and not just against NPC setups. Yeah you are uber It means that the blasterthron is a close range ship. You're not expecting to be able to MWD 40km to some raven pilot, and still win the fight ? And I am not uber, I just think beyond the 'standard' blasterthron setup everyone seems to be following blindly. And wtf is with the italics :P Happens when you misquote. And yeah, I could mwd 40km in an autopest up to a raven and kill it. Or in a dominix. Why cant a blasterthron? And I doubt your setup is all "uber" or what not, you prolly just fight ****ty pilots. Unless you use the uber full dark blood mega setup that some BoB seem to like callon > I don't like traveling much, i think its cause my father used to beat me with a globe. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=300438New vid: "we're back
fkingfurious	Posted - 2006.03.30 17:19:00 - [183] i run 7 ions, heavy electrochem and medium electrochen injector, t2 ab, 20km scram, 2 t2 large reps, 3 t2 hardeners, magstab 2, co pro 2 and web drones in the bay. it can carry enuff cap boost 800's to tank soidly for 5 minutes, and it tanks pretty well. And messes stuff up assuming u dont try and close from like 60km or something dumb. I really cant say i see the problem, altho having a fittinf so tight i have an empty makes me sad.
Spartan239	Posted - 2006.03.30 17:57:00 - [184] Originally by: fkingfurious i run 7 ions, heavy electrochem and medium electrochen injector, t2 ab, 20km scram, 2 t2 large reps, 3 t2 hardeners, magstab 2, co pro 2 and web drones in the bay. it can carry enuff cap boost 800's to tank soidly for 5 minutes, and it tanks pretty well. And messes stuff up assuming u dont try and close from like 60km or something dumb. I really cant say i see the problem, altho having a fitting so tight i have an empty makes me sad. Your using an ab, and have an empty slot, and a med injector and you dont see a problem?
Hinik	Posted - 2006.03.30 18:06:00 - [185] Edited by: Hinik on 30/03/2006 18:06:41 Originally by: fkingfurious i run 7 ions, heavy electrochem and medium electrochen injector, t2 ab, 20km scram, 2 t2 large reps, 3 t2 hardeners, magstab 2, co pro 2 and web drones in the bay. it can carry enuff cap boost 800's to tank soidly for 5 minutes, and it tanks pretty well. And messes stuff up assuming u dont try and close from like 60km or something dumb. I really cant say i see the problem, altho having a fittinf so tight i have an empty makes me sad. every time soneone fits an AB on a blasterthron a fairy dies... and wtf is up with the large AND medium injectors?... that's just a travesty of a setup... and after all that in order to make it work you need a co proc... LOVES CHARITY REGARD
fkingfurious	Posted - 2006.03.30 18:07:00 - [186] No, i dont see a problem. I have a Heavy AND a medium injector thru choice, the combination of the 2 allows me to run 2 reps, a rack of blasters and an afterburner and still shrug off a couple of nos and neuts. And with the target webbed at 25 km it dont take long to close in on just an ab and even ions make a horrible mess out of people. The empty high is galling certainly, but not enuff to justify the constant " blasterthron is crap" threads. Cos it simply aint.
Hinik	Posted - 2006.03.30 18:10:00 - [187] Edited by: Hinik on 30/03/2006 18:10:06 Originally by: fkingfurious No, i dont see a problem. I have a Heavy AND a medium injector thru choice, the combination of the 2 allows me to run 2 reps, a rack of blasters and an afterburner and still shrug off a couple of nos and neuts. And with the target webbed at 25 km it dont take long to close in on just an ab and even ions make a horrible mess out of people. The empty high is galling certainly, but not enuff to justify the constant " blasterthron is crap" threads. Cos it simply aint. you don't have a web in your setup... you using web drones? coz if so... I'd rather use T2 ogres or something... that would rip the **** out of most things in seconds... rather than have the ability to use that little bit extra cap.. LOVES CHARITY REGARD
Spartan239	Posted - 2006.03.30 18:11:00 - [188] Originally by: fkingfurious No, i dont see a problem. I have a Heavy AND a medium injector thru choice, the combination of the 2 allows me to run 2 reps, a rack of blasters and an afterburner and still shrug off a couple of nos and neuts. And with the target webbed at 25 km it dont take long to close in on just an ab and even ions make a horrible mess out of people. The empty high is galling certainly, but not enuff to justify the constant " blasterthron is crap" threads. Cos it simply aint. How fast do you go with an ab on a bt?
fkingfurious	Posted - 2006.03.30 18:18:00 - [189] It does about 400m/s. With null ammo u can hit reasonably well at 14-15km. If my target starts outside 25km i just dont fight em, but as i fight mostly in gangs its easy to make sure that dont happen.So even starting at 25km it takes less than 30 secs to get into effective range. Mebbes the cpu is a little too steep, but the fact that i can usually come out on top in what is supposedly a gimped ship seems to indicate that most people have problems cos they cant find a setup that works for em. Everyone stating that n mwd is essential is just silly, it'd get u in mebbe 15 secs quicker from 25km and knackers ur fitting and ur cap, and the huge sig hit while travelling has probably already killed u.
Gabriel Karade	Posted - 2006.03.30 18:24:00 - [190] Edited by: Gabriel Karade on 30/03/2006 18:28:17 Random crazy idea: Nerf Railgun RoF by 25% (i.e. 1.25x). Then dump the Megathron tracking bonus for a 5% per level RoF bonus. Megathron then becomes king of close range (without further boosting the Dominix), while at long range, doing same damage as before but with lesser tracking. Obviously I'm biased but what the heck ---------- - Office Linebacker -
BABARR	Posted - 2006.03.30 18:34:00 - [191] You say : "Scorp: If he gets lucky jams he escapes, if he doesnt I kill him. But a scorp isn't really much of a solo ship anyways and has the same results vs every ship. Theres pretty much no way a well setup bs can die to a scorp, unless the scorp was in a weird specialized setup. If you get jammed you can simply run, unless he has something like dual web (which is not standard so irrelevant). Blasterthron wins or runs." Take care of a scorp in 1 VS 1, i have poped some BS in my scorp like an apoc fitted tank (2xarmor rep II, cap injector), Raven (No FOF on them, a luck ;) ), another scorp, tempest,dominix ect... its take lot of time but whith 1 stasis and some bumping the BS cant join the gate, or just engaging away frome a gate . And whith 2xheavy nos the tank fail. (its take long time, yes, but the cap fail)
Cummilla	Posted - 2006.03.30 19:35:00 - [192] Originally by: Zysco Originally by: Porro Well the AB method only works in two situations, when you fly with a covert ops/when you're gate camping. Least thats the way that I see it :P So you need a mwd for general purpose use? Yeah MWD is critical, dont understand the whole AB thing. Wtf you gonna do if you warp in and a target is 40km away? Plus you enter warp slower which makes chasing harder. 40km away. Warp the hell out and try yer luck again. That's a horrendous start. I know you take what you can get if you're soloing but...maybe, even aligning to where you think THEY will warp might work. I get alot of people who for some reason at a range like that avail themselves of the opportunity to RUN. Perhaps they haven't read your thread here about Blasterboats getting spanked by most other BS's??
Zysco	Posted - 2006.03.30 19:37:00 - [193] Originally by: Cummilla Originally by: Zysco Originally by: Porro Well the AB method only works in two situations, when you fly with a covert ops/when you're gate camping. Least thats the way that I see it :P So you need a mwd for general purpose use? Yeah MWD is critical, dont understand the whole AB thing. Wtf you gonna do if you warp in and a target is 40km away? Plus you enter warp slower which makes chasing harder. 40km away. Warp the hell out and try yer luck again. That's a horrendous start. I know you take what you can get if you're soloing but...maybe, even aligning to where you think THEY will warp might work. I get alot of people who for some reason at a range like that avail themselves of the opportunity to RUN. Perhaps they haven't read your thread here about Blasterboats getting spanked by most other BS's?? Well if im solo and warp into a belt and a guy is 40km away, I can either mwd to him or warp out and find another target, cause hes not gonna wait in the belt for me to align, warp out, align, and warp back. callon > I don't like traveling much, i think its cause my father used to beat me with a globe. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=300438New vid: "we're back
Dukath	Posted - 2006.03.30 20:32:00 - [194] The real problem i have with blasters is that i need to half my orbit speed before they even start hitting my target. CCP really needs to change from transversal velocity to angular when calculating damage. When I orbit you my guns don't need to track since you are in the center the of the circle I am orbiting. Even if it is not a perfect circle the amount of needed tracking is much lower. The guy being orbited will have lots of tracking problems though. This fix alone would make a huge difference for a blasterthron.
LWMaverick	Posted - 2006.03.30 21:09:00 - [195] Originally by: Gabriel Karade Edited by: Gabriel Karade on 30/03/2006 18:28:17 Random crazy idea: Nerf Railgun RoF by 25% (i.e. 1.25x). Then dump the Megathron tracking bonus for a 5% per level RoF bonus. Megathron then becomes king of close range (without further boosting the Dominix), while at long range, doing same damage as before but with lesser tracking. Obviously I'm biased but what the heck And make the cap usage go up by another 25%.. are you nuts?
Zysco	Posted - 2006.03.30 21:19:00 - [196] Originally by: Dukath The real problem i have with blasters is that i need to half my orbit speed before they even start hitting my target. CCP really needs to change from transversal velocity to angular when calculating damage. When I orbit you my guns don't need to track since you are in the center the of the circle I am orbiting. Even if it is not a perfect circle the amount of needed tracking is much lower. The guy being orbited will have lots of tracking problems though. This fix alone would make a huge difference for a blasterthron. Yeah agree totally. callon > I don't like traveling much, i think its cause my father used to beat me with a globe. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=300438New vid: "we're back
Dreez	Posted - 2006.03.30 21:38:00 - [197] Originally by: Dukath The real problem i have with blasters is that i need to half my orbit speed before they even start hitting my target. CCP really needs to change from transversal velocity to angular when calculating damage. When I orbit you my guns don't need to track since you are in the center the of the circle I am orbiting. Even if it is not a perfect circle the amount of needed tracking is much lower. The guy being orbited will have lots of tracking problems though. This fix alone would make a huge difference for a blasterthron. Still wont fix the problem that BTs have with Ravens since missiles are not dependent on tracking. Current Location: After chasing TomB for 2 years, at the pub, getting a cold beer.
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.03.30 21:43:00 - [198] http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=edit&threadID=310219&line=12 "The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer
Naughty Boy	Posted - 2006.03.30 21:50:00 - [199] Fixed link. Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy.
Beowulf Scheafer	Posted - 2006.03.30 22:19:00 - [200] Edited by: Beowulf Scheafer on 30/03/2006 22:25:01 Originally by: Beringe I think even the scorp could break your tank (given the 3 nos of a solo scorp setup). Blasters need to be able to break tanks a lot faster. the problem is that if they get more dmg, they might be overpowered like the pulses were, so i don't think something like that would come into effect. but the blastertron needs a fix, i have nearly every fucx1n6 fitting skill, and all my trons normally don't have 2% of their ressources free, IF i can fit my desired things. its a pain in the a55 to fit that. if i would become able to use neutrons instead of ions ( or even electrons) that would be wonderful. same with the deimos. i am not able to fit it with "cruiserstuff only" with ions and barely with electrons... pls CCP, pimp my deimos ! Actually all the 4 empires do not accept the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Asteroids of Wild Fauna and Flora. WE SAY NO: SAVE THE BABY ROIDS ! [green]Please resize image to a max
commander tycho	Posted - 2006.03.30 22:52:00 - [201] The best solution I would like would be to boost the damage. If the damage was better I wouldnt mind the cap and fitting issues. As said before, blasterthrons should almost certainly win if the fight is very close range. Otherwise there is simply no point in them in my opinion.
Insane Asylum	Posted - 2006.03.30 23:05:00 - [202] Just a question... wouldnt you think that travelling faster makes you harder to hit? Guess who's alt I am
Zysco	Posted - 2006.03.30 23:14:00 - [203] Originally by: Rasitiln damage doesnt need a boost, tracking is fine speed is fine. The only changes that need to be made is a cpu reduction on blasters and less cap usage and I dont even see the cap usage as a mandatory change as its "OK" but it could be better. You must not fly a blasterthron if you think the damage or tracking is even close to "fine." callon > I don't like traveling much, i think its cause my father used to beat me with a globe. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=300438New vid: "we're back
Rasitiln	Posted - 2006.03.30 23:14:00 - [204] damage doesnt need a boost, tracking is fine speed is fine. The only changes that need to be made is a cpu reduction on blasters and less cap usage and I dont even see the cap usage as a mandatory change as its "OK" but it could be better. That 1% was enough - Wrangler
Rasitiln	Posted - 2006.03.30 23:22:00 - [205] Originally by: Zysco Originally by: Rasitiln damage doesnt need a boost, tracking is fine speed is fine. The only changes that need to be made is a cpu reduction on blasters and less cap usage and I dont even see the cap usage as a mandatory change as its "OK" but it could be better. You must not fly a blasterthron if you think the damage or tracking is even close to "fine." atually I fly them extensivly now. It sounds like most of you just want a I win button with your suggested changes. That 1% was enough - Wrangler
Zysco	Posted - 2006.03.30 23:28:00 - [206] Originally by: Rasitiln Originally by: Zysco Originally by: Rasitiln damage doesnt need a boost, tracking is fine speed is fine. The only changes that need to be made is a cpu reduction on blasters and less cap usage and I dont even see the cap usage as a mandatory change as its "OK" but it could be better. You must not fly a blasterthron if you think the damage or tracking is even close to "fine." atually I fly them extensivly now. It sounds like most of you just want a I win button with your suggested changes. Just name 1 reason to fly one solo over a dominix. One. callon > I don't like traveling much, i think its cause my father used to beat me with a globe. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=300438New vid: "we're back
Rasitiln	Posted - 2006.03.30 23:33:00 - [207] Originally by: Zysco Originally by: Rasitiln Originally by: Zysco Originally by: Rasitiln damage doesnt need a boost, tracking is fine speed is fine. The only changes that need to be made is a cpu reduction on blasters and less cap usage and I dont even see the cap usage as a mandatory change as its "OK" but it could be better. You must not fly a blasterthron if you think the damage or tracking is even close to "fine." atually I fly them extensivly now. It sounds like most of you just want a I win button with your suggested changes. Just name 1 reason to fly one solo over a dominix. One. because a nosser dominix dies to a cap injected blasterthron. That 1% was enough - Wrangler
Spartan239	Posted - 2006.03.30 23:33:00 - [208] Originally by: Zysco Originally by: Rasitiln Originally by: Zysco Originally by: Rasitiln damage doesnt need a boost, tracking is fine speed is fine. The only changes that need to be made is a cpu reduction on blasters and less cap usage and I dont even see the cap usage as a mandatory change as its "OK" but it could be better. You must not fly a blasterthron if you think the damage or tracking is even close to "fine." atually I fly them extensivly now. It sounds like most of you just want a I win button with your suggested changes. Just name 1 reason to fly one solo over a dominix. One. cause the mega is ****ign sexy, and the domi is fugly
Zysco	Posted - 2006.03.30 23:34:00 - [209] Originally by: Rasitiln Originally by: Zysco Originally by: Rasitiln Originally by: Zysco Originally by: Rasitiln damage doesnt need a boost, tracking is fine speed is fine. The only changes that need to be made is a cpu reduction on blasters and less cap usage and I dont even see the cap usage as a mandatory change as its "OK" but it could be better. You must not fly a blasterthron if you think the damage or tracking is even close to "fine." atually I fly them extensivly now. It sounds like most of you just want a I win button with your suggested changes. Just name 1 reason to fly one solo over a dominix. One. because a nosser dominix dies to a cap injected blasterthron. And? A blasterthron dies to a blasterdomi. Whats your point? callon > I don't like traveling much, i think its cause my father used to beat me with a globe. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=300438New vid: "we're back
Rasitiln	Posted - 2006.03.30 23:40:00 - [210] Originally by: Zysco Originally by: Rasitiln Originally by: Zysco Originally by: Rasitiln Originally by: Zysco Originally by: Rasitiln damage doesnt need a boost, tracking is fine speed is fine. The only changes that need to be made is a cpu reduction on blasters and less cap usage and I dont even see the cap usage as a mandatory change as its "OK" but it could be better. You must not fly a blasterthron if you think the damage or tracking is even close to "fine." atually I fly them extensivly now. It sounds like most of you just want a I win button with your suggested changes. Just name 1 reason to fly one solo over a dominix. One. because a nosser dominix dies to a cap injected blasterthron. And? A blasterthron dies to a blasterdomi. Whats your point? My point is you want a blasterthron to beat everything it seems like. Its not going to beat every ship out there. perhaps you should rework your fitting insted of complaining on the forums. That 1% was enough - Wrangler

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