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Ya Huei
Imperial Collective
155
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Posted - 2014.01.30 15:11:00 -
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Do these deployables send any notifications to the owner (aside from message in local) when they are accessed/shot at via the in game mailing system ?
If so I can see a use for an ESS deployed in a ratting system on the far side of my null hole :)
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Rall Mekin
End-of-Line
226
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Posted - 2014.01.30 15:17:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:HAHAHAHAHAHa
What a gigantic douche dildo of an idea. Let's make a deployable which is used for sov carrier ratting carebears anchorble in w-space.
how about it requires sov to anchor.
This, honestly, will be the end of wormholes. Already I get more PVP than most of the know-nothing useless gusset stains who QQ on here, but that's because the ESS isn't widespread knowledge. Soon even one as mighty as I will have to settle for <20 kills a month, mostly in dullsec, when every idiot and his alt can anchor an ESS on any and all wormholes.
Cheeses, CCP. Get with the program you dullards.
No, our corp will get more than 20 kills per month. This just means we'll start targeting for eviction any corp we catch using these in w-space to be risk averse. Join End-of-Line, -EOL, today, and kill your CEO! (Terms and conditions apply.)
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M Thomas
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
53
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Posted - 2014.01.30 15:26:00 -
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Rall Mekin wrote:Trinkets friend wrote:HAHAHAHAHAHa
What a gigantic douche dildo of an idea. Let's make a deployable which is used for sov carrier ratting carebears anchorble in w-space.
how about it requires sov to anchor.
This, honestly, will be the end of wormholes. Already I get more PVP than most of the know-nothing useless gusset stains who QQ on here, but that's because the ESS isn't widespread knowledge. Soon even one as mighty as I will have to settle for <20 kills a month, mostly in dullsec, when every idiot and his alt can anchor an ESS on any and all wormholes.
Cheeses, CCP. Get with the program you dullards. No, our corp will get more than 20 kills per month. This just means we'll start targeting for eviction any corp we catch using these in w-space to be risk averse.
Now I have to anchor one. |

Ayden Messura
Flying With Animals Animal Farms
9
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Posted - 2014.01.30 15:29:00 -
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This "feature" needs to go. Not only have they wasted their time developing the ESS rather than fix mechanics that entice fights in low and null, they are also crapping on our no local parade due to improper testing prior to release... Seems to be a trend here. |

Rall Mekin
End-of-Line
226
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Posted - 2014.01.30 15:40:00 -
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M Thomas wrote:Rall Mekin wrote:Trinkets friend wrote:HAHAHAHAHAHa
What a gigantic douche dildo of an idea. Let's make a deployable which is used for sov carrier ratting carebears anchorble in w-space.
how about it requires sov to anchor.
This, honestly, will be the end of wormholes. Already I get more PVP than most of the know-nothing useless gusset stains who QQ on here, but that's because the ESS isn't widespread knowledge. Soon even one as mighty as I will have to settle for <20 kills a month, mostly in dullsec, when every idiot and his alt can anchor an ESS on any and all wormholes.
Cheeses, CCP. Get with the program you dullards. No, our corp will get more than 20 kills per month. This just means we'll start targeting for eviction any corp we catch using these in w-space to be risk averse. Now I have to anchor one.
End-of-Line does not evict PvP corps, and I wouldn't dare attempt to evict Adhocracy.
What I mean is, we will consider use of the ESS as a high priority when determining what carebear corp gets removed from C5 space each month. We do monthly evictions... October, November, and December thus far. We've missed January since we moved earlier this month and need a break. We will however begin doing them towards the end of January/beginning of March. Join End-of-Line, -EOL, today, and kill your CEO! (Terms and conditions apply.)
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Caius Beriat
Whale Girth Grand Sky Wizards
130
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Posted - 2014.01.30 16:03:00 -
[66] - Quote
Rall Mekin wrote:M Thomas wrote:Rall Mekin wrote:Trinkets friend wrote:HAHAHAHAHAHa
What a gigantic douche dildo of an idea. Let's make a deployable which is used for sov carrier ratting carebears anchorble in w-space.
how about it requires sov to anchor.
This, honestly, will be the end of wormholes. Already I get more PVP than most of the know-nothing useless gusset stains who QQ on here, but that's because the ESS isn't widespread knowledge. Soon even one as mighty as I will have to settle for <20 kills a month, mostly in dullsec, when every idiot and his alt can anchor an ESS on any and all wormholes.
Cheeses, CCP. Get with the program you dullards. No, our corp will get more than 20 kills per month. This just means we'll start targeting for eviction any corp we catch using these in w-space to be risk averse. Now I have to anchor one. End-of-Line does not evict PvP corps, and I wouldn't dare attempt to evict Adhocracy. What I mean is, we will consider use of the ESS as a high priority when determining what carebear corp gets removed from C5 space each month. We do monthly evictions... October, November, and December thus far. We've missed January since we moved earlier this month and need a break. We will however begin doing them towards the end of January/beginning of March.
So you're the new Bitten?
By removing these corps you are still harming your cause even more. Less farmers means less capitals to gank.
Oh great, another empty c5/c6, go you! |

Nikki Vix
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
6
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Posted - 2014.01.30 16:37:00 -
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Rall Mekin wrote:M Thomas wrote:Rall Mekin wrote:Trinkets friend wrote:HAHAHAHAHAHa
What a gigantic douche dildo of an idea. Let's make a deployable which is used for sov carrier ratting carebears anchorble in w-space.
how about it requires sov to anchor.
This, honestly, will be the end of wormholes. Already I get more PVP than most of the know-nothing useless gusset stains who QQ on here, but that's because the ESS isn't widespread knowledge. Soon even one as mighty as I will have to settle for <20 kills a month, mostly in dullsec, when every idiot and his alt can anchor an ESS on any and all wormholes.
Cheeses, CCP. Get with the program you dullards. No, our corp will get more than 20 kills per month. This just means we'll start targeting for eviction any corp we catch using these in w-space to be risk averse. Now I have to anchor one. End-of-Line does not evict PvP corps, and I wouldn't dare attempt to evict Adhocracy. What I mean is, we will consider use of the ESS as a high priority when determining what carebear corp gets removed from C5 space each month. We do monthly evictions... October, November, and December thus far. We've missed January since we moved earlier this month and need a break. We will however begin doing them towards the end of January/beginning of March.
you are always good for a laugh, are you the wormhole poilice? maybe someone should give you dudes the boot ?
PS: chitsa, you guys are sleeping on the job, get on this :) |

James Arget
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
257
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Posted - 2014.01.30 16:39:00 -
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Caius Beriat wrote:The question is, will the CSM be able to get them to fix this?  That depends on whether or not there's an overwhelming consensus about it. Honestly, I'm not wholly convinced that it needs to go. It provides a very new mechanic and we're not sure how much that will be used or to whose advantage. Clearly there's a strong negative trend about it so far, but I don't want to just reject any new content because it's new and it's not exactly what we asked for.
Derath Ellecon wrote:Atlantis Fuanan wrote:Didn't Chitsa has written some pages ago that this was redirected to CCP?
Yes and that is great that it got noticed by someone on the CSM. It also takes almost no time to fill out an in game bug report and I would recommend everyone doing that as well. Yeah I mentioned it in the Superfriends chat yesterday as well. :D CSM 8 Representative
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Rall Mekin
End-of-Line
226
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Posted - 2014.01.30 16:41:00 -
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James Arget wrote:Caius Beriat wrote:The question is, will the CSM be able to get them to fix this?  That depends on whether or not there's an overwhelming consensus about it. Honestly, I'm not wholly convinced that it needs to go. It provides a very new mechanic and we're not sure how much that will be used or to whose advantage. Clearly there's a strong negative trend about it so far, but I don't want to just reject any new content because it's new and it's not exactly what we asked for. Derath Ellecon wrote:Atlantis Fuanan wrote:Didn't Chitsa has written some pages ago that this was redirected to CCP?
Yes and that is great that it got noticed by someone on the CSM. It also takes almost no time to fill out an in game bug report and I would recommend everyone doing that as well. Yeah I mentioned it in the Superfriends chat yesterday as well. :D
So, you are saying, as our representative of the wormhole community, you support warnings IN LOCAL to let people bear in safety?
Good luck on the next election cycle. I honestly expected better out of SSC... Join End-of-Line, -EOL, today, and kill your CEO! (Terms and conditions apply.)
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Dmitry Wizard
THE AESIR. Ragnarok.
206
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Posted - 2014.01.30 16:46:00 -
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the thing defiles everything we love about wormhole pvp. this makes our pvp even harder to get than it already is. Local isnt a thing I dot ant it to be a thing... The CSM should be rallying to make our space better not worse. If we allow this thing to saty we might as well embrace and allow all the other stupid deployables to be made
wormhole stbillizer
wormhole jump bridge
wormhole cyno
wormhole local activator.
ALL of it
"Wormhole corps are like a bunch of homeschooled kids" |
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James Arget
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
257
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Posted - 2014.01.30 16:48:00 -
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Rall Mekin wrote:James Arget wrote:Caius Beriat wrote:The question is, will the CSM be able to get them to fix this?  That depends on whether or not there's an overwhelming consensus about it. Honestly, I'm not wholly convinced that it needs to go. It provides a very new mechanic and we're not sure how much that will be used or to whose advantage. Clearly there's a strong negative trend about it so far, but I don't want to just reject any new content because it's new and it's not exactly what we asked for. Derath Ellecon wrote:Atlantis Fuanan wrote:Didn't Chitsa has written some pages ago that this was redirected to CCP?
Yes and that is great that it got noticed by someone on the CSM. It also takes almost no time to fill out an in game bug report and I would recommend everyone doing that as well. Yeah I mentioned it in the Superfriends chat yesterday as well. :D So, you are saying, as our representative of the wormhole community, you support warnings IN LOCAL to let people bear in safety? Good luck on the next election cycle. I honestly expected better out of SSC... I support :emergentgameplay:, and I don't want to immediately reject whatever new content isn't purpose built for us.
Right now I'm most likely going to advise CCP to add the same anchor distance limitation as exists for stations. Other options would be to disallow anchoring in wspace entirely, or to turn off the local broadcasting, but I like the fact that I can drop one at the star and anyone dumb enough to warp to it has just announced themselves in local. CSM 8 Representative
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Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
492
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Posted - 2014.01.30 16:49:00 -
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James Arget wrote:Caius Beriat wrote:The question is, will the CSM be able to get them to fix this?  That depends on whether or not there's an overwhelming consensus about it. Honestly, I'm not wholly convinced that it needs to go. It provides a very new mechanic and we're not sure how much that will be used or to whose advantage. Clearly there's a strong negative trend about it so far, but I don't want to just reject any new content because it's new and it's not exactly what we asked for.
You better be kidding me with that.
Read me:
Wormholes and instant-local doesn't mix
So please treat it like the mistake it is, and don't pretend this could be anywhere near acceptable.
"I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
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Rall Mekin
End-of-Line
227
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Posted - 2014.01.30 16:50:00 -
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Dmitry Wizard wrote:the thing defiles everything we love about wormhole pvp. this makes our pvp even harder to get than it already is. Local isnt a thing I dot ant it to be a thing... The CSM should be rallying to make our space better not worse. If we allow this thing to saty we might as well embrace and allow all the other stupid deployables to be made
wormhole stbillizer
wormhole jump bridge
wormhole cyno
wormhole local activator.
ALL of it
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Dmitry Wizard
THE AESIR. Ragnarok.
209
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Posted - 2014.01.30 16:53:00 -
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Ill be running for CSM. This thing is herecy being allowed on hoes.,. Its a kspace thing keep it there or let me take sov in wormholes and give me local so i can quit the game entirely "Wormhole corps are like a bunch of homeschooled kids" |

Dixxon Harass
No Self Esteem Shadow Politics
5
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Posted - 2014.01.30 16:58:00 -
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Stop making things worse. Start making things better.
Focus on:
POS OVERHAUL!
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Axloth Okiah
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
277
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Posted - 2014.01.30 17:00:00 -
[76] - Quote
just dont allow it to be anchored some distance from WH, problem solved W-Space Realtor |

Dmitry Wizard
THE AESIR. Ragnarok.
209
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Posted - 2014.01.30 17:05:00 -
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Axloth Okiah wrote:just dont allow it to be anchored some distance from WH, problem solved
The standard 3000 km and i will be a happy Wormholer "Wormhole corps are like a bunch of homeschooled kids" |

Rall Mekin
End-of-Line
227
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Posted - 2014.01.30 17:12:00 -
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Dmitry Wizard wrote:Axloth Okiah wrote:just dont allow it to be anchored some distance from WH, problem solved The standard 3000 km and i will be a happy Wormholer
Agree Join End-of-Line, -EOL, today, and kill your CEO! (Terms and conditions apply.)
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Tasiv Deka
End-of-Line
202
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Posted - 2014.01.30 17:16:00 -
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Wasn't it supposed to only be anchorable in null sec... i mean i could be mistaken in thinking this but shouldn't null sec and wormhole space be two different boxes when it comes to "allowable in" seems to me that its ccp just being sloppy on coding... so someone please tell me you've posted about it in the issues forum (cant remember its full name) and if CCP says "nah we like it this way" well then i say we do something about it Oh, Do go on... no seriously ive got nothing better to do then listen to all the petty arguments and feeble trolling attempts...-á
The sad thing is i'm not sure if i'm telling the truth. |

calaretu
Honestly We didnt know Surely You're Joking
54
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Posted - 2014.01.30 17:21:00 -
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Rall Mekin wrote:Dmitry Wizard wrote:Axloth Okiah wrote:just dont allow it to be anchored some distance from WH, problem solved The standard 3000 km and i will be a happy Wormholer Agree
agree aswell |
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IIFraII
The Red Circle Inc.
13
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Posted - 2014.01.30 17:27:00 -
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James Arget wrote:Caius Beriat wrote:The question is, will the CSM be able to get them to fix this?  That depends on whether or not there's an overwhelming consensus about it. Honestly, I'm not wholly convinced that it needs to go. It provides a very new mechanic and we're not sure how much that will be used or to whose advantage. Clearly there's a strong negative trend about it so far, but I don't want to just reject any new content because it's new and it's not exactly what we asked for.
I'm with you on this.
Tbh it won't get any pvp opportunities out as far as i can see. Ganking siterunners in < c3 will be harder sure, but you wouldn't call it pvp, would you? >c3 ppl are takled anyways, so this might buy ppl some time to scramble some sort of defence fleet to save their buddies bearing, which will give you a fight you wouldn't have had otherwise.
As far as ganking escalation fleets. You will pop out a wh that just spawned and locals havent put anything on, so why would you worry? If they are silly and don't close their exits, again, they are tackled sieged and whatnot.
Since i dont really give a damn about any of the above, make them change it or not it's fine with me. My two cents |

Mcpate
Anoikis Vergence
14
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Posted - 2014.01.30 17:28:00 -
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If you ask me, it's time for CCP to go back to working on Walking-In-Stations full time, every developer, everybody that can hold a pencil or click a mouse button! Every cotton-picking one of them. |

Sedilis
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
112
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Posted - 2014.01.30 17:30:00 -
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Chitsa Jason wrote:Forwarding info to CCP. I hope it gets fixed as free intel should not be on the table in wspace. Thanks Chitsa.
This needs to be removed form wspace asap. All it will do if it remains is reduce risk for people bearing. For those people saying it gives you a kill mail; I for one would rather have ships to kill not structures.
@ James: "unconvinced this needs to go" WTF?
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Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire
470
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Posted - 2014.01.30 17:35:00 -
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Sedilis wrote:Chitsa Jason wrote:Forwarding info to CCP. I hope it gets fixed as free intel should not be on the table in wspace. Thanks Chitsa. This needs to be removed form wspace asap. All it will do if it remains is reduce risk for people bearing. For those people saying it gives you a kill mail; I for one would rather have ships to kill not structures. @ James: "unconvinced this needs to go" WTF?
Chitsa save us pls. Ask me about Rengas-dar, HRDKX's Most recent, groundbreaking, game-changing, wormhole-collapsing research endeavour.
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mcdoodle
S T R A T C O M Ragnarok.
8
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Posted - 2014.01.30 17:41:00 -
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Mcpate wrote: If you ask me, it's time for CCP to go back to working on Walking-In-Stations full time, every developer, everybody that can hold a pencil or click a mouse button! Every cotton-picking one of them.
I agree, at least then they wouldn't have the time to **** up FiS anymore
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Silvonus
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
60
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Posted - 2014.01.30 17:44:00 -
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ESS is fine. Anchoring on WHs is not so fine. Make it so it can't be anchored within 3000km of a WH (same as for stations), and all will be fine. |

Rall Mekin
End-of-Line
227
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Posted - 2014.01.30 17:47:00 -
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I think ganks count as PVP to those before suggesting otherwise--granted its not the only type anyone wants. Hell, fixing the market is PVP for that matter. EVE is PVP.
I'll be honest, End-of-Line moved to a C5/C5 recently for a few things: medium sized T3 brawls on wormholes, deeper chains to cloaky stalk in, the opportunity for wormhole capital PVP, better ISK than our C5/C4 from the static, and the ability to gank C5 escalation fleets.
I like making things explode--hell, I enjoy my own toys exploding if I get to kill others toys in the process (usually anyway...). I think this just means going into a hole and scouting will provide way less opportunities to tackle something nice.
Let's also remember, tackling something "nice" with a small group and then slowly killing it to give time for reinforcements to arrive is also a normal tactic for PVP. This also hurts that potential.
The ESS needs to go. Join End-of-Line, -EOL, today, and kill your CEO! (Terms and conditions apply.)
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James Arget
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
262
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Posted - 2014.01.30 17:49:00 -
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Ayeson wrote:Sedilis wrote:Chitsa Jason wrote:Forwarding info to CCP. I hope it gets fixed as free intel should not be on the table in wspace. Thanks Chitsa. This needs to be removed form wspace asap. All it will do if it remains is reduce risk for people bearing. For those people saying it gives you a kill mail; I for one would rather have ships to kill not structures. @ James: "unconvinced this needs to go" WTF? Chitsa save us pls. "OMG HE'S NOT RAGING AT FIRST IMPRESSION BURN HIM HE'S A WITCH"
However, I am talking with SoniClover about it right now. CSM 8 Representative
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Tyrant Scorn
12
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Posted - 2014.01.30 17:53:00 -
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James Arget wrote:I support :emergentgameplay:, and I don't want to immediately reject whatever new content isn't purpose built for us.
Right now I'm most likely going to advise CCP to add the same anchor distance limitation as exists for stations. Other options would be to disallow anchoring in wspace entirely, or to turn off the local broadcasting, but I like the fact that I can drop one at the star and anyone dumb enough to warp to it has just announced themselves in local.
You sir, will not be getting my vote again...
...
-á |

Rall Mekin
End-of-Line
227
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Posted - 2014.01.30 17:55:00 -
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Tyrant Scorn wrote:James Arget wrote:I support :emergentgameplay:, and I don't want to immediately reject whatever new content isn't purpose built for us.
Right now I'm most likely going to advise CCP to add the same anchor distance limitation as exists for stations. Other options would be to disallow anchoring in wspace entirely, or to turn off the local broadcasting, but I like the fact that I can drop one at the star and anyone dumb enough to warp to it has just announced themselves in local. You sir, will not be getting my vote again...
Agree. Chitsa is cool. This isn't "emergent gameplay." Its the dev's changing something with little thought, and I'm hoping was an oversight they quickly fix. Free intel in wh space should not be given out, as Chitsa quickly has went on record saying, in agreement with what appears to be 95% of those posting here.... Join End-of-Line, -EOL, today, and kill your CEO! (Terms and conditions apply.)
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