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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
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Posted - 2014.01.31 15:12:00 -
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Harvey James wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Orion X04 wrote:Will these drones have a shiny new model like the salvage drones?
Not at this time, no. any chance of allowing drones to rep their own ship?
they need to rewrite the drone code to do nifty stuff like that.
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people...
Winter Expansion new ship request |
Silivar Karkun
We are not bad. Just unlucky
Goonswarm Federation
148
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Posted - 2014.01.31 16:27:00 -
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Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Is there going to be ships with bonuses towards Hull tanking/Hull repair?
If not, think about it a little bit! So, no future Hull tanking ships? /sadface
at this point in the game i dont think we can get that, as i proposed in my own thread, it could be a non bonused option with its own different ways of management (active using midslots and buffer using lowslots). so basically would lock one of the two ways depending on the ship.
originally Gallente would have been the hull tanking race (gallente have the most structure HP in the game from all the 4 empires)....but it was scrapped for armor....
i support the implementation of hull tanking in the game, even if its a risky endeavor, you're gonna loose that ship anyways so why caring about it?
more info on the issue here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=308944
another thing would be to add a new faction that focuses in hull only (jovians? rogue drone based ships maybe?, heck even reconstructed Talocan ships could do the job, there are many options) |
TarPalantir I
Evolution
Northern Coalition.
0
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Posted - 2014.01.31 16:48:00 -
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Two indirect consequences of this change people may want to keep in mind.
1. It seem likely that it will be very rare that anyone will fit a remote hull rep module. Most people hate them, they have high CPU and PG requirements, very high cap usage, limited rep ability, and really limited range with no ship getting a bonus. POS module, FIghter Bomber, and Super Capital repping are the few reasons they are regularly fitted from what Tar-Palantir has seen (though fully accept there may be odd specialized cases where people make use of them, but seems to be pretty rare). Doubt many will cry over this aspect, but it does seem likely to relegate an existing module (remote hull reppers) to the dust bin. The Capital sized remote reps may continue to be used because of how much they rep, but even there a carrier with 10 Large drones out may be enough to get the job done.
Yes, Remote Hull reppers rep more, but with their CPU, PG, and cap requirements, they are nasty to fit and since no ship gets a bonus to their range, they are all very short range. Even if the drones rep less, they avoid all of those problems leaving all your module slots available for making more normal fitting choices.
2. POS reppers will no longer need to ever leave the POS shield edge when repping modules if they use Logi ships (which they generally do). Before you had to venture away from the shield edge to get within remote hull rep range of the incapped POS mod, making them at least a bit vulnerable to attack. WIth the drones, you'll never need to leave the edge of the shield and generally pretty easy to get back in. Will make it very difficult to harass POS mod repping. Have done a fair bit of POS repping, so this will certainly make it easier/safer, but not sure that is really a benefit to the game in general even if it is a benefit to the repper.
Not saying these are reasons to cancel hull rep drones. Personally think #2 is a negative impact, but perhaps not that big of a deal in the big picture of Eve behavior. Just hadn't seen them mentioned, so Tar-Palantir thought he would put them out there. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
2004
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Posted - 2014.01.31 18:59:00 -
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Altrue wrote:Nice!
What will the faction of these drones be?
How can they not be Gallente? Hull tank ftw.
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Kalu Alar
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2014.01.31 21:46:00 -
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Sounds right to me.
Can we a change to all repair drones to be able to repair your own ship if your ship it not currently targeted by NPCs or another player and you have no active targets yourself? Logically, they should be usable on your own ship, and allowing it when you are not fighting or in a fight would prevent it from being OP. |
Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
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Posted - 2014.02.01 05:38:00 -
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The issue I see with these is the same issue I see with pretty much all non combat drones, specificaly large non combat drones.
They are too damn big!
The limited drone bay is 99% of the time better served carring backup combat drones rather than a flight of utility drones.
This becomes even worse on drone boats because if you start losing combat drones you lose out on DPS.
2(3) solutions come to mind.
1. Make utility drones 1/5 there current size (small 1m3, medium 2m3, large 5m3) but leave there required bandwidth alone.
2. Give ships a utility drone bay. This opens up options for ships that dont currently have drone bays.
(3) a combination of both 1 & 2
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asteroidjas
Rothschild's Sewage and Septic Sucking Services
The Possum Lodge
24
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Posted - 2014.02.01 16:11:00 -
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Grarr Dexx wrote:Talking about drones, when are lowsec residents going to be able to use drone assist again?
Well, as was stated many a time in the whole MTU bug fiasco...if you want to kill things with your drones, stop being a AFK and target everything manually.
Seriously, this argument works both ways. |
Mike Voidstar
Voidstar Free Flight Foundation
384
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Posted - 2014.02.01 17:45:00 -
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Kalu Alar wrote:Sounds right to me.
Can we a change to all repair drones to be able to repair your own ship if your ship it not currently targeted by NPCs or another player and you have no active targets yourself? Logically, they should be usable on your own ship, and allowing it when you are not fighting or in a fight would prevent it from being OP.
I never understood why people believe having logistic drones repair their own ship would be in anyway OP.
A fully skilled set of Heavy Armor or Sheild repair drones returnes 90hp/Sec.
A fully skilled Large Armor Rep II is 81hp/Sec, but can be overheated and isn't vulnerable to being shot.
By comparison, a fully skilled rack of Ogres II's on an unbonused Hull is something a bit over 310 DPS, with a full set of skilled Garde II coming in at about exactly 300dps. That can increase with DDA's, rigs and a Hull Bonus to over 800dps.
Most non-combat drones are the stacked equivalent of about one module of the type for a full flight of 5, while combat drones are worth much more. The idea that 90hp of repair is worth 300 or more dps is just silly, and not at all OP especially considering If you don't like it you can just shoot the repair drone. |
Silivar Karkun
We are not bad. Just unlucky
Goonswarm Federation
150
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Posted - 2014.02.01 18:24:00 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4181542#post4181542
new iteration of the hull tanking concept |
Unknown Contact1
Deutsche EvE Lehranstalt
1
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Posted - 2014.02.02 16:36:00 -
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Jiiiiha! |
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Justin Cody
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
79
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Posted - 2014.02.03 00:53:00 -
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seems alright to me...does that however indicate an upcoming iteration on the hull repair modules? |
Jawhit Jarus
Genosse Corporation
Reapers Unity
11
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Posted - 2014.02.03 10:36:00 -
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Cool feature! Thanks CCP!
SPACE WAR DUCKS ALL WORLD TONIGHT GALAXY NIMBUS-300 CORPORATION |
Dav Varan
Spiritus Draconis
Sicarius Draconis
149
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Posted - 2014.02.03 14:04:00 -
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Thanks
Can we get a "repair me" button.
Also is now a good time to start requesting module repair drones :P
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Syri Taneka
NOVA-CAINE
108
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Posted - 2014.02.04 05:50:00 -
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Very nice. Will be good to be able to carry a wing of light hull bots for roams in ships with very large bays (instead of having to theoretically waste a high slot), for those rare instances someone takes hull damage and doesn't die from it. |
Findell Ronuken
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2014.02.04 07:53:00 -
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Are you going to make the hull reps any less terrible while you are at it? |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
633
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Posted - 2014.02.04 20:50:00 -
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Nice addition indeed.
Remove insurance. |
Actaeon Versaea
Azaph Incorporated
14
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Posted - 2014.02.05 03:59:00 -
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I think it's a capital Idea... I miss the whole WTFBBQPWN Hull tanking concept.
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol
Awakened.
1356
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Posted - 2014.02.06 12:24:00 -
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I think until you are able to receive reps from your own drones, things like this, although nice, are pretty pointless.
You are still going to have to get someone to meet you in space and rep you. that person may as well use remote hull reps or you could just use a local hull rep.
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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Hello-There
167
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Posted - 2014.02.06 13:23:00 -
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Both local and remote hull reps take slots though, these could be really useful on a mainly guns/missiles ship that has 50m3 drone space, since you are fighting at range if you go into hull it would be very handy to have your corpies hull rep you and vice versa without impacting your mid/high slots |
Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
2162
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Posted - 2014.02.06 14:31:00 -
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Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:Both local and remote hull reps take slots though, these could be really useful on a mainly guns/missiles ship that has 50m3 drone space, since you are fighting at range if you go into hull it would be very handy to have your corpies hull rep you and vice versa without impacting your mid/high slots
But that drone space is usually better served by using combat drones to kill your target faster rather than try to use rep drones.
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol
Awakened.
1356
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Posted - 2014.02.06 14:44:00 -
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Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:Both local and remote hull reps take slots though, these could be really useful on a mainly guns/missiles ship that has 50m3 drone space, since you are fighting at range if you go into hull it would be very handy to have your corpies hull rep you and vice versa without impacting your mid/high slots
If you are talking about using these in battle, these hull rep drones will be ineffective.
Just like with local hull reps, the only place that they will be used is out of combat. It could be a nice idea to take some of these on a roam so that you can rep your fleet to 100% ehp after a fight but realistically, these things work far too slow to make that viable.
... The best thing to do would be for CCP to give all logistics ships a bonus to hull rep drones and a hull rep drone bay.
+1 |
Ellendras Silver
My second corp
111
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Posted - 2014.02.06 15:22:00 -
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maybe i missed it but is there anything about the preq for the hull repair drones? |
Kenhi sama
Project Stealth Squad
The Initiative.
5
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Posted - 2014.02.06 15:57:00 -
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Great!
Awesome!
Finally!
I love you! :-) |
Luis Alejandro Flores
Matar O Morir
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Posted - 2014.02.06 17:12:00 -
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Incursion runners rejoice ! 
"When Failure becomes fun, success is inevitable." I'm failing, just waiting for the success part.
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Veng3ance
Origin.
Black Legion.
38
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Posted - 2014.02.07 17:08:00 -
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Good addition thanks guys. Keep up the good work! |
Alundil
Sky Fighters
395
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Posted - 2014.02.08 21:12:00 -
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Welcome addition
Chitsa Jason wrote:Finally no need for wormhole dwellers to refit mods to rep structure damage :)
Because of this ^
Clone mechanics enchancements
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Ransu Asanari
Powder and Ball Alchemists Union
The Predictables
81
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Posted - 2014.02.09 07:04:00 -
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Very nice addition. More ways to repair damage while in deep space means less docking up, fits with the future vision as I understand it.
Will the 100% bonus to Logistic Drone repair amount on the T1 Logistics ships apply to these drones? Will any of the T2 Logistics ships have a bonus to Hull Repair amount?
CCP Fozzie wrote:Grarr Dexx wrote:Talking about drones, when are lowsec residents going to be able to use drone assist again? The issues surrounding clearly communicating the crimewatch implications of that capability makes it more trouble than it would be worth for now. Sorry.
+1 on this, sorry to hear it's a lot of work. I thought it was a bug so I reported it.
Trying to get on killmails with drones while stuff is being alpha'd and disappearing almost as fast as you can lock, while running logistics at the same time is pretty tough. Admittedly I'm new at this, but I'm embarrassed by the number of times I've accidentally attacked my teammates  |
Sheeana Harb
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
25
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Posted - 2014.02.10 13:11:00 -
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Luis Alejandro Flores wrote:Incursion runners rejoice !
Turns out the upcoming Rubicon point release will be both pat on the back (hull drones) and kick in the balls (drone assist cap) . Balance is indeed everything. |
Draconus Lofwyr
UK Corp
RAZOR Alliance
87
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Posted - 2014.02.10 20:38:00 -
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this is good news, but can we also get a capital hull repair unit to go along with it? to make life a little easier on capitals inside pos shields, particularly capitals that are unable to dock? |
Mournful Conciousness
Embers Children
TOHA Conglomerate
526
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Posted - 2014.02.11 17:24:00 -
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Excellent addition. Thank you.
Embers Children is recruiting carefully selected pilots who like wormholes, green killboards and the sweet taste of tears. You can convo me in game or join the chat "TOHA Lounge".
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