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Wilhelm Riley
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2011.11.10 00:59:00 -
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Belthizaar wrote:
Scamming has never been against the rules in EvE online and this is a blatant, transparent abuse of authority from someone who is obviously biased because they are actively playing a game they should be administrating instead. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Uhh.. this only applies to the recruitment channel..
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thetwilitehour
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.11.10 01:06:00 -
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Wilhelm Riley wrote:Belthizaar wrote:
Scamming has never been against the rules in EvE online and this is a blatant, transparent abuse of authority from someone who is obviously biased because they are actively playing a game they should be administrating instead. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Uhh.. this only applies to the recruitment channel..
Really? How is that going to work? What if they claim the scam came from the recruitment channel. So this rule is either a) completely stupid and unenforceable or b) has ridiculous far reaching consequences. The other option is for them to what investigate every reported scam, look at timestamps in recruitment and then make some kind of judgement. So I guess option c) is CCP rehire that 20% of staff they just fired to investigate claims that all scams originated in recruitment (granted some % of the scamees are too stupid to even claim this, that's why they get scammed.) |
Tyrone Cashmoney
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
8
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Posted - 2011.11.10 01:07:00 -
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I got scammed into joining GoonWaffe, there should be a rule against that too. |
Wilhelm Riley
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2011.11.10 01:11:00 -
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thetwilitehour wrote:
Really? How is that going to work? What if they claim the scam came from the recruitment channel. So this rule is either a) completely stupid and unenforceable or b) has ridiculous far reaching consequences. The other option is for them to what investigate every reported scam, look at timestamps in recruitment and then make some kind of judgement. So I guess option c) is CCP rehire that 20% of staff they just fired to investigate claims that all scams originated in recruitment (granted some % of the scamees are too stupid to even claim this, that's why they get scammed.)
A lot of MMO rules are unenforceable, like macro mining, there's no way to know. |
Rer Eirikr
Stargazer Exploration Company
Transmission Lost
64
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Posted - 2011.11.10 01:18:00 -
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So because they're unenforceable we should establish them?? |
Levarr Burton
B0rthole
Test Alliance Please Ignore
52
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Posted - 2011.11.10 01:24:00 -
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Rer Eirikr wrote:So because they're unenforceable we should establish them??
Sounds reasonable. |
thetwilitehour
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.10 02:21:00 -
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Wilhelm Riley wrote:thetwilitehour wrote:
Really? How is that going to work? What if they claim the scam came from the recruitment channel. So this rule is either a) completely stupid and unenforceable or b) has ridiculous far reaching consequences. The other option is for them to what investigate every reported scam, look at timestamps in recruitment and then make some kind of judgement. So I guess option c) is CCP rehire that 20% of staff they just fired to investigate claims that all scams originated in recruitment (granted some % of the scamees are too stupid to even claim this, that's why they get scammed.)
A lot of MMO rules are unenforceable, like macro mining, there's no way to know.
Other stupid rules exist, therefore this stupid rule is ok. That's the best argument you could come up with in support of this idiocy? |
Zenver
Random Precision.
Broken Toys
1
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Posted - 2011.11.10 02:21:00 -
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Wow. I mean, I can see were the concern for new players is...but really? Ugh.
At MOST just include a warning that scams can occur in the recruitment channel.
(I love scams, they make me chuckle when I find them, and laugh even more when I get caught) |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises
Purpose Built
27
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Posted - 2011.11.10 02:23:00 -
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This is CCP's channel, just like the Help channel and the Rookie channel. They can enforce whatever rules they so choose in their channels.
Local will never be effected like this. Local is a public channel. These are private (as they have ownership).
If you want to do recruitment scamming, just don't have the channel open and you are fine. |
thetwilitehour
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.11.10 02:26:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:This is CCP's channel, just like the Help channel and the Rookie channel. They can enforce whatever rules they so choose in their channels.
Local will never be effected like this. Local is a public channel. These are private (as they have ownership).
If you want to do recruitment scamming, just don't have the channel open and you are fine.
What if the scamee claims that they were in the recruitment channel with you at some point and that is where the scam began. how many man hours should CCP devote to investigating every single scam that occurs anywhere in Eve to see if it in any way had anything to do with the recruitment channel? |
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Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises
Purpose Built
27
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Posted - 2011.11.10 02:29:00 -
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thetwilitehour wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:This is CCP's channel, just like the Help channel and the Rookie channel. They can enforce whatever rules they so choose in their channels.
Local will never be effected like this. Local is a public channel. These are private (as they have ownership).
If you want to do recruitment scamming, just don't have the channel open and you are fine. What if the scamee claims that they were in the recruitment channel with you at some point and that is where the scam began. how many man hours should CCP devote to investigating every single scam that occurs anywhere in Eve to see if it in any way had anything to do with the recruitment channel?
Simple. They would ask when this supposed encounter in the channel took place (as in both players being joined). Check the log. Takes 5 minutes.
If the scammers don't join the channel, they will have all the evidence they need. And the scamee will get a nice "don't abuse the petition system" message. |
Midge Mo'yb
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
40
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Posted - 2011.11.10 02:35:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:thetwilitehour wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:This is CCP's channel, just like the Help channel and the Rookie channel. They can enforce whatever rules they so choose in their channels.
Local will never be effected like this. Local is a public channel. These are private (as they have ownership).
If you want to do recruitment scamming, just don't have the channel open and you are fine. What if the scamee claims that they were in the recruitment channel with you at some point and that is where the scam began. how many man hours should CCP devote to investigating every single scam that occurs anywhere in Eve to see if it in any way had anything to do with the recruitment channel? Simple. They would ask when this supposed encounter in the channel took place (as in both players being joined). Check the log. Takes 5 minutes. If the scammers don't join the channel, they will have all the evidence they need. And the scamee will get a nice "don't abuse the petition system" message.
i am my corps honoUrable human resources manager, i have to be in the recruitment channel to perform my duties. |
Wilhelm Riley
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2011.11.10 02:36:00 -
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thetwilitehour wrote:
Other stupid rules exist, therefore this stupid rule is ok. That's the best argument you could come up with in support of this idiocy?
If you could murder someone without ever getting caught, does that make it okay?
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Scalar Angulargf
Rayn Enterprises
Test Alliance Please Ignore
12
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Posted - 2011.11.10 02:50:00 -
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Wilhelm Riley wrote:thetwilitehour wrote:
Other stupid rules exist, therefore this stupid rule is ok. That's the best argument you could come up with in support of this idiocy?
If you could murder someone without ever getting caught, does that make it okay?
Overblown analogies ITT |
Harold Tuphlos
Broski Enterprises
Elite Space Guild
27
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Posted - 2011.11.10 03:07:00 -
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Wilhelm Riley wrote:thetwilitehour wrote:
Other stupid rules exist, therefore this stupid rule is ok. That's the best argument you could come up with in support of this idiocy?
If you could murder someone without ever getting caught, does that make it okay?
What's wrong with murder? I like getting pod kills. |
spookydonut
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
40
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Posted - 2011.11.10 03:21:00 -
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So many rules, and yet turbonigger is fine? |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises
Purpose Built
27
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Posted - 2011.11.10 03:22:00 -
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Midge Mo'yb wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:thetwilitehour wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:This is CCP's channel, just like the Help channel and the Rookie channel. They can enforce whatever rules they so choose in their channels.
Local will never be effected like this. Local is a public channel. These are private (as they have ownership).
If you want to do recruitment scamming, just don't have the channel open and you are fine. What if the scamee claims that they were in the recruitment channel with you at some point and that is where the scam began. how many man hours should CCP devote to investigating every single scam that occurs anywhere in Eve to see if it in any way had anything to do with the recruitment channel? Simple. They would ask when this supposed encounter in the channel took place (as in both players being joined). Check the log. Takes 5 minutes. If the scammers don't join the channel, they will have all the evidence they need. And the scamee will get a nice "don't abuse the petition system" message. i am my corps honoUrable human resources manager, i have to be in the recruitment channel to perform my duties.
Then simply make sure you aren't the one that does the scam. Anything past 2 people is impossible to prove either way. |
thetwilitehour
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2011.11.10 04:31:00 -
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Wilhelm Riley wrote:thetwilitehour wrote:
Other stupid rules exist, therefore this stupid rule is ok. That's the best argument you could come up with in support of this idiocy?
If you could murder someone without ever getting caught, does that make it okay?
Yes, and you are literally ******.
Also I'm pretty sure scamming in the recruitment channel of srs business eve online, a game marketed as one where scamming and griefing are not only tolerated, but actually celebrated, is not the same as murder.
Haha I can say turbonigger but can't invoke godwins law? |
Pudgy McFudge
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.11.10 04:40:00 -
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I'm gay |
Icemandk
Ramm's RDI
Tactical Narcotics Team
2
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Posted - 2011.11.10 04:55:00 -
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Free DurrHurrDurr. |
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The Illuminist
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2011.11.10 05:38:00 -
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I guess CCP's new stance on more communication and transparency doesn't apply to this thread. CCP is greatest failcascade.
Also, Free Durr. |
Infinimo
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
319
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Posted - 2011.11.10 07:49:00 -
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spookydonut wrote:So many rules, and yet turbonigger is fine?
what's wrong with turboniggers? racist
Theta Squad best squad.
Monocle crew represent~ |
Red Templar
Raging Ducks
Goonswarm Federation
76
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Posted - 2011.11.10 07:50:00 -
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So when can we expect another apology letter? And here i thought CCP learned something during this year...
For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |
Kharthis Jian
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.11.10 08:10:00 -
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Ok, so have an alt lurk in recruitment channel and the scammer just get fed names of potentials...? Trial accounts can lurk in recruitment channel you say? :munch: |
Wilhelm Riley
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2011.11.10 11:39:00 -
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Scalar Angulargf wrote:
Overblown analogies ITT
It's not the analogy itself that matters. If something is against the rules but you can get away with it, it still doesn't make it right.
Besides, it's only one channel, find somewhere else to scam. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
111
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Posted - 2011.11.10 12:12:00 -
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Wilhelm Riley wrote:Scalar Angulargf wrote:
Overblown analogies ITT
It's not the analogy itself that matters. If something is against the rules but you can get away with it, it still doesn't make it right. Besides, it's only one channel, find somewhere else to scam.
That's not the issue, the issue is that its wording is going to be abused.
"this includes, but not limited to, using the recruitment channel as a platform to find or target players to scam"
This means that the recruitment channel can't be used to even find them and pass them on to someone else and have them perform the scam. And this is going to be abused so hard by the scamvictims it'll make your head spin, mark my words. |
Wilhelm Riley
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2011.11.10 12:43:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:
And this is going to be abused so hard by the scamvictims it'll make your head spin, mark my words.
Huh, yeah I can agree with that.
It's not like you can't find other places to scam people though, EVE is full of potential victims. And can't we have just one channel that's not full of spammers and scams? |
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CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
142
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Posted - 2011.11.10 12:48:00 -
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Ranting and not contructive.
Thread locked.
CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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