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Belthizaar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.11.09 16:48:00 -
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Quote:EVE System > Channel MOTD changed to "Welcome to the recruitment channel....No scamming is allowed in this channel and this includes, but not limited to, using the recruitment channel as a platform to find or target players to scam. As per subject, we ask everyone to use their best judgment before contracting assets or ISK as part of corporationGÇÖs recruitment process and any deals made or finalized outside this channel are done at your own risk and responsibility. An additional recruitment source is the Alliance and Corporation Recruitment Centersection of the forums." by GM Thunder
What's the matter, GM Thunder? Did you get recruitment scammed by a member of the CFC alliances and decide that you should instead change the entire rules of the game?
Scamming has never been against the rules in EvE online and this is a blatant, transparent abuse of authority from someone who is obviously biased because they are actively playing a game they should be administrating instead. You should be ashamed of yourself. |
NJEchoAlpha
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
31
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Posted - 2011.11.09 16:51:00 -
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CCP, sometimes you **** up.
Then you do something like this.
In other news, TEST is now disbanding, we would rather play Hello Kitty Online. |
Stahlregen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11
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Posted - 2011.11.09 16:52:00 -
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Supported.
I find it hilarious that we still have rogue GMs running about making up their own arbitrary rules. Hey thunder didn't nobody ever tell you the cautionary tale of t20? EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP AND OPEN PALM SLAM A VHS INTO THE SLOT. IT'S CHRONICLES OF RIDDICK AND RIGHT THEN AND THERE I START DOING THE MOVES ALONGSIDE THE MAIN CHARACTER, RIDDICK. I DO EVERY MOVE AND I DO EVERY MOVE HARD. MAKIN' WHOOSHING SOUNDS WHEN I SLAM DOWN SOME NECRO BASTARDS. NOT MANY CAN SAY THEY ESCAPED THE GALAXY'S MOST DANGEROUS PRISON. I CAN. |
Alina Wize
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
50
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Posted - 2011.11.09 16:59:00 -
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Jita local is next :twisted::twisted: |
Pseudo Ucksth
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
9
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Posted - 2011.11.09 17:03:00 -
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:cripes: guys really? go back to jabber. |
Tez Saurus
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
21
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Posted - 2011.11.09 17:05:00 -
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Tears detected, harvesters online. |
Mar Drakar
LDK Test Alliance Please Ignore
22
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Posted - 2011.11.09 17:06:00 -
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subscribing for fellow tears, they are best taste |
Jafit McJafitson
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
6
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Posted - 2011.11.09 17:07:00 -
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"Welcome to Jita local channel....No scamming is allowed in this channel and this includes, but not limited to, using local as a platform to find or target players to scam. As per subject, we ask everyone to use their best judgment before accepting contracts, or sending ISK to a Minmatar Prince as part of an apparently lucrative business opportunity, and any deals made or finalized anywhere outside of this starsystem are done at your own risk and responsibility. An additional trading source is the EVE Marketplace of the forums." by GM Carebear Pubbie |
Sarah Schneider
EVE University Ivy League
9
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Posted - 2011.11.09 17:22:00 -
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why is a GM interfering with a (even if it was a) scam that doesn't involve real money trading? they say this a sandbox or CCP has been lying to me all these time?
new player here, i've only been in the game for a couple of months and one of the reasons why i did chose this game over any other mmos out there is that this is a sandbox. if we are dumb enough to get scammed, it's our own fault!
Are CCP planning to change the title to World of Eve on the upcoming winter patch? |
DrDan21
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
77
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Posted - 2011.11.09 17:23:00 -
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EvE is becoming WoW where all you need to is "BBBAAAAWWW he took my stuffs!" |
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Velicitia
Open Designs
78
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Posted - 2011.11.09 17:42:00 -
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Sarah Schneider wrote:why is a GM interfering with a (even if it was a) scam that doesn't involve real money trading? they say this a sandbox or CCP has been lying to me all these time?
new player here, i've only been in the game for a couple of months and one of the reasons why i did chose this game over any other mmos out there is that this is a sandbox. if we are dumb enough to get scammed, it's our own fault!
Are CCP planning to change the title to World of Eve on the upcoming winter patch?
bolded the important part. CCP is pandering to the wrong demographic with some of the changes, but they're getting better (see: Incarna vs Winter Expansion). |
Xolani1990
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 17:49:00 -
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It would be good if a CCP employee could give their line on this and whether this is a legitimate change to the recruitment channel rules or a GM overstepping their authority, and a confirmation of its reversal if that's the case.
If it is a legitimate change, I'd like to state my dismay and disappointment in this change. |
Lorren Canada
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
82
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Posted - 2011.11.09 18:02:00 -
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GM Thunder needs to stop being turbonigger and get that stick out of his ass |
Dr Kang
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
22
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Posted - 2011.11.09 18:22:00 -
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I'd like to say I'm 100% behind this decision. For too long entities such as TEST and Goons have exploited the trust of the playerbase, and inflicted misery for their own amusement. This is why I'm leaving TEST and joining Xystance's 99% alliance.
My new corporation, Madness and Danger Offensive (ticker:MADOFF) will explain and educate about recruitment scamming, lotteries and "investment banks"; the average player will not only be more savvy about the darker corners of Eve, but eventually will be able to turn the tables on the scammer with their own scams.
For free logistics and transportation to our headquarters, courier contract ships and items to me in game. Buy-ins for percentage of profits from the MADOFF Lottery are available at 250 million per share, please make the donation reason MADOFF LOTTERY. Those interested in our current venture capital start up corp, Madoff Investment Securites convo me in game.
Together we can beat the scammers! |
thatboydc
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 18:33:00 -
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Dr Kang wrote:I'd like to say I'm 100% behind this decision. For too long entities such as TEST and Goons have exploited the trust of the playerbase, and inflicted misery for their own amusement. This is why I'm leaving TEST and joining Xystance's 99% alliance.
My new corporation, Madness and Danger Offensive (ticker:MADOFF) will explain and educate about recruitment scamming, lotteries and "investment banks"; the average player will not only be more savvy about the darker corners of Eve, but eventually will be able to turn the tables on the scammer with their own scams.
For free logistics and transportation to our headquarters, courier contract ships and items to me in game. Buy-ins for percentage of profits from the MADOFF Lottery are available at 250 million per share, please make the donation reason MADOFF LOTTERY. Those interested in our current venture capital start up corp, Madoff Investment Securites convo me in game.
Together we can beat the scammers!
I think I love you |
Valfreyea
The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore
7
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Posted - 2011.11.09 18:33:00 -
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This will end well. |
Dangzing
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 18:46:00 -
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Dr Kang wrote:I'd like to say I'm 100% behind this decision. For too long entities such as TEST and Goons have exploited the trust of the playerbase, and inflicted misery for their own amusement. This is why I'm leaving TEST and joining Xystance's 99% alliance.
My new corporation, Madness and Danger Offensive (ticker:MADOFF) will explain and educate about recruitment scamming, lotteries and "investment banks"; the average player will not only be more savvy about the darker corners of Eve, but eventually will be able to turn the tables on the scammer with their own scams.
For free logistics and transportation to our headquarters, courier contract ships and items to me in game. Buy-ins for percentage of profits from the MADOFF Lottery are available at 250 million per share, please make the donation reason MADOFF LOTTERY. Those interested in our current venture capital start up corp, Madoff Investment Securites convo me in game.
Together we can beat the scammers!
amazing :applause:
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Rick Maken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 18:51:00 -
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Utter bullshit screw you GM Thunder |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
161
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Posted - 2011.11.09 18:55:00 -
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wow a good TEST post who'da thought it |
Infinimo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
274
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Posted - 2011.11.09 18:57:00 -
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Yeah this is p dumb, it's basically a big '**** you' to the sandbox eve has always been sold as. Theta Squad best squad. Monocle crew represent~ |
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Phain Death
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2011.11.09 18:59:00 -
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Out, out, MOTD! Life's but a recruitment scam, cried by a pubbie that struts and frets his hour upon the stage and then is heard no more: it is a tale told by GM Thunder, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. |
Tomytronic
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:00:00 -
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If this is what happens when CCP start caring about their game, I'm finding myself fondly recalling the days of the monocle drama party. |
Belthizaar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:04:00 -
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Blawrf McTaggart wrote:wow a good TEST post who'da thought it I was a goon first, doesn't count. |
Konno Yoshiho
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:16:00 -
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Quote:EVE System > Channel MOTD changed to "Welcome to high security space....No suicide is allowed in this system and this includes, but is not limited to, using this space as a platform to find or target players to "suicide gank" or to "Jihad." As per subject, we ask everyone to use their best judgment etc... by GM Thunder
Pretty soon its no scamming, no war decs. Hell, how long before they take PLEX away and make everyone pay cash for this iceberg? |
Tomytronic
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:23:00 -
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How long before this is banned, eh CCP?
When you start banning your own selling points, you have to wonder just what the hell it is you're doing. |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
170
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:27:00 -
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Did you guys see the new pop-up introduction screen on the EVE client?
Quote:Welcome to EVE Online, where YOU make the game! Please note that attacking anything other than:
- Mindless rats that shoot at the first thing they see until kingdom come.
- Asteroids.
will get you banned from the game. Please note that in order to earn ISK you must run mind-numbingly boring content over and over and over and over again and you certainly aren't allowed to, I don't know, use underhand methods in order to nab a bit of ISK from people who more than likely buy it from an EVEGOLD selling website or something. I don't even know, anymore, why don't you guys go and play World of Warcraft? Pandas are coming! by GM Thunder. |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
170
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:33:00 -
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basically GM Thunder is Chris Metzen |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
170
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:33:00 -
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that's the point i was trying to get across |
Konno Yoshiho
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:34:00 -
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Tomytronic wrote:How long before this is banned, eh CCP? When you start banning your own selling points, you have to wonder just what the hell it is you're doing.
This Mother ****** right here. Rolling up all like Matlock and ****.
Well I guess that's a case closed eh? CCP you shot yourselves in the foot yet again. Walk it off, and let's not let this get out of hand for once. |
spookydonut
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:36:00 -
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Turbonigger. |
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EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
233
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:37:00 -
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Quote:EVE System > Channel MOTD changed to "Welcome to the recruitment channel....No scamming is allowed in this channel and this includes, but not limited to, using the recruitment channel as a platform to find or target players to scam. As per subject, we ask everyone to use their best judgment before contracting assets or ISK as part of corporationGÇÖs recruitment process and any deals made or finalized outside this channel are done at your own risk and responsibility. An additional recruitment source is the Alliance and Corporation Recruitment Centersection of the forums. I made these new rules because I was scammed by a goon and abloobloobloo" by GM Thunder |
Pseudo Ucksth
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
11
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:38:00 -
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spookydonut wrote:Turbonigger.
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SOARlN
Friendship is Podding Test Alliance Please Ignore
1
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:38:00 -
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CCP has gone full turbonigger. |
P3ROXIDE
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:39:00 -
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LFM Black Rock Spire need mages, NO HUNTARDS. PST.
I'm ready for Eve: Online: A terrible Game: That is safe: and boring: deathtosandbox. |
Infinimo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
279
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:40:00 -
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Turbonigger?
e: Yep, turbonigger. Theta Squad best squad. Monocle crew represent~ |
EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
240
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:44:00 -
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Infinimo wrote:Turbonigger?
e: Yep, turbonigger.
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Justin Bieber
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:48:00 -
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EnderCapitalG wrote:Infinimo wrote:Turbonigger?
e: Yep, turbonigger.
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Mujahada Shah
Duragon Pioneer Group Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:49:00 -
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You guys should come up with more winning ideas like aur and monocles that can be coupled with this to turn EVE into The Sims in space. That game is mostly played by middle aged housewives and that seems to be the only group of women that will even talk to me. I need more overweight mothers telling me how much they hate their husbands and would rather spend the rest of their mundane life with me. Another awesome decision made at CCP! |
Kyle Myr
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:50:00 -
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Tomytronic wrote:How long before this is banned, eh CCP? When you start banning your own selling points, you have to wonder just what the hell it is you're doing.
I am posting this because I don't know how anyone will beat the nefarious Drekkar alliance is a game where subterfuge isn't allowed. We once tried fighting them head on, but it didn't work at all.
On a less sarcastic note, it would be nice to get a ruling on whether EVE will now contain arbitrary spaces where dishonesty is a punishable offense. If you're going to say this part of the game is 'safe' from scamming, while explicitly allowing it in others, detailed rules need to be made. With a recruiting drive kicking off, this sort of nebulous stuff prevents us from taking on fresh players. |
Joe SMASH
You Got A Purty Mouth
5
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:50:00 -
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I hear this thread is a good place to get likes and such.
Recruitment scams are awesome and such... yea! (I do good?) |
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Infinimo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
291
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:54:00 -
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Joe SMASH wrote:I hear this thread is a good place to get likes and such.
Recruitment scams are awesome and such... yea! (I do good?) not enough turboniggers in this post Theta Squad best squad. Monocle crew represent~ |
Verlai
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:56:00 -
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http://www.turbonigger.com/forumdisplay.php?3-EVE-Online-Uncensored |
Belthizaar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:57:00 -
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Infinimo wrote:Joe SMASH wrote:I hear this thread is a good place to get likes and such.
Recruitment scams are awesome and such... yea! (I do good?) not enough turboniggers in this post It's the new z0r |
EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
246
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Posted - 2011.11.09 20:02:00 -
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Konno Yoshiho
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
14
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Posted - 2011.11.09 20:02:00 -
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Stupid people whine too much. CCP needs to set a precedent here and let the natural order of things be restored. This game is supposed to be a giant sandbox. You can't change the rules in the middle of the game to protect people who are prone to handing all their **** to a stranger.
Basically, what I'm trying to say here is, you can't stop the orgy just because a few pussies get hurt.
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Verlai
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2011.11.09 20:03:00 -
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Joe SMASH
You Got A Purty Mouth
8
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Posted - 2011.11.09 20:04:00 -
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Can I join a guild within Goonsawm Fedaration?
I want to fly with the best and I have been told by people that Goonsawm is the best. |
Infinimo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
291
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Posted - 2011.11.09 20:07:00 -
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u Theta Squad best squad. Monocle crew represent~ |
spookydonut
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
28
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Posted - 2011.11.09 20:07:00 -
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z |
Lykouleon
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
299
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Posted - 2011.11.09 20:09:00 -
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:wtc: Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER SO I CAN HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD
WIdot Director of Quality Control and Ironically Signing My Title to Posts To Make People ~mad~ |
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Kazanir
Eighty Joule Brewery Goonswarm Federation
347
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Posted - 2011.11.09 20:10:00 -
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Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
97
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Posted - 2011.11.09 20:10:00 -
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0 |
Johan Krieger
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
43
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Posted - 2011.11.09 20:13:00 -
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Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
186
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Posted - 2011.11.09 20:14:00 -
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did you guys coordinate that |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
777
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Posted - 2011.11.09 20:15:00 -
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z The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Johan Krieger
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
43
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Posted - 2011.11.09 20:15:00 -
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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3016
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Posted - 2011.11.09 20:15:00 -
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My z0r chain backbone! Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM Theta Squad : Best Squad |
spookydonut
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
28
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Posted - 2011.11.09 20:16:00 -
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r |
Scalar Angulargf
Rayn Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
3
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Posted - 2011.11.09 20:16:00 -
[59] - Quote
Did someone say turbonigger?
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May Zonday
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2011.11.09 20:18:00 -
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reset test |
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Justin Bieber
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2011.11.09 20:19:00 -
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The dream of its people in Fortress Deklein. |
spookydonut
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
34
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Posted - 2011.11.09 20:19:00 -
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z |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
101
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Posted - 2011.11.09 20:19:00 -
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reset may zonday |
Infinimo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
296
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Posted - 2011.11.09 20:21:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:reset may zonday leave our newbies alone Theta Squad best squad. Monocle crew represent~ |
Scalar Angulargf
Rayn Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
5
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Posted - 2011.11.09 20:27:00 -
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Infinimo wrote:Lord Zim wrote:reset may zonday leave our newbies alone Newbees best bees |
Justin Bieber
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2011.11.09 20:33:00 -
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Scalar Angulargf wrote:Infinimo wrote:Lord Zim wrote:reset may zonday leave our newbies alone Newbees best bees
Long live our Deklein Motherland, built by The Mittani's mighty hand. Long live our New Bees, Rifters and Vee! |
Infinimo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
297
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Posted - 2011.11.09 20:42:00 -
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Justin Bieber wrote:Scalar Angulargf wrote:Infinimo wrote:Lord Zim wrote:reset may zonday leave our newbies alone Newbees best bees Long live our Deklein Motherland, built by The Mittani's mighty hand. Long live our New Bees, Rifters and Vee! :ussr: Theta Squad best squad. Monocle crew represent~ |
Richard Bong
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11
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Posted - 2011.11.09 20:43:00 -
[68] - Quote
0 [ASK] Me about drive by thread shitting! |
Sephiroth CloneIIV
Vitriol Ventures BLACK-MARK
15
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Posted - 2011.11.09 20:50:00 -
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The GM should switch that to a warning (not a rule) for players about recruitment scams in the channel "never join a corp that asks for lots of isk, look out for scams ccp does not moderate the channel".
Making up rules... yea..... what the hell.
And good luck stopping the scamming in jita. |
Scalar Angulargf
Rayn Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
7
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Posted - 2011.11.09 20:54:00 -
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Sephiroth CloneIIV wrote:The GM should switch that to a warning (not a rule) for players about recruitment scams in the channel "never join a corp that asks for lots of isk, look out for scams ccp does not moderate the channel".
Making up rules... yea..... what the hell.
And good luck stopping the scamming in jita.
Where's my dislike butan
Besides isn't something like this already in the tutorial? |
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Trusty Jutspezic
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
38
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Posted - 2011.11.09 21:22:00 -
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The recruitment channel is basically a newbie system for our new players to learn the art of scamming. GM Thunder cares more about two year old mission runners keeping their CNRs than newbies learning about a celebrated part of the game. Sickening.
Newsflash you jackasses, if you're rich enough to get scammed, you're rich enough to know better. |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
236
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Posted - 2011.11.09 21:24:00 -
[72] - Quote
I joined this game because of the tales of scamming.
Hell, I don't scam, but I love playing a game because someone might catch me out with one. EVE Online: Incarna - New Coke EVE Online: Winter Expansion - Coke Classic |
Venus Vermillion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
222
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Posted - 2011.11.09 21:48:00 -
[73] - Quote
The use of Icelandic Mind Reading Devices (IMRDs) is nothing new.
How else would they have known exactly what to create in order to draw in millions of subscribers through Incarna, right?
What's that you say? They can't read minds? Well, that leads me to believe that this particular GM's flight of fancy can't possibly be enforced since they can't possibly know where you found any given person whom you might or might not have scammed. "My friend Jake told me he knew this a-hole and I should scam him, so I did."
Of course, they also can't prove a scam in the first place as long as you never admit it. Just because somebody handed you ships and isk doesn't mean that they were scammed... it means they were stupid. |
HELIC0N ONE
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
21
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Posted - 2011.11.09 21:50:00 -
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Sephiroth CloneIIV wrote:The GM should switch that to a warning (not a rule) for players about recruitment scams in the channel "never join a corp that asks for lots of isk, look out for scams ccp does not moderate the channel"
There are loads of corps out there that legitimately charge fees to join and not as part of a scam.
Granted, those corps are pretty much all terrible, but they do exist
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Levarr Burton
B0rthole Test Alliance Please Ignore
44
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Posted - 2011.11.09 21:51:00 -
[75] - Quote
Does joining a corporation which advertises in the Recruitment channel with the intention of ripping it off also constitute a bannable offense now? Or is it just taking advantage of people who should know better but don't the thing that is bannable?
This smacks of uninformed/incompetent GM overstep, without fully thinking through the effect of the policy, or even without thinking through the entirety of what the policy would constitute.
Free DurrHurrDurr. |
NUXI7
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
73
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Posted - 2011.11.09 22:22:00 -
[76] - Quote
HELIC0N ONE wrote:Sephiroth CloneIIV wrote:The GM should switch that to a warning (not a rule) for players about recruitment scams in the channel "never join a corp that asks for lots of isk, look out for scams ccp does not moderate the channel" There are loads of corps out there that legitimately charge fees to join and not as part of a scam. Granted, those corps are pretty much all terrible, but they do exist
For example, I heard that at one point DNS simply charged a flat membership fee instead of using corp taxes. Their reasoning was that taxes were unfair as they did not apply to all forms of income in game. I find this rather insightful. |
Largo Coronet
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
36
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Posted - 2011.11.09 22:24:00 -
[77] - Quote
Levarr Burton wrote:Free DurrHurrDurr. With every purchase of a monocle.
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Tomytronic
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11
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Posted - 2011.11.09 22:25:00 -
[78] - Quote
So everyone who gets scammed for anything now will claim they were in the recruitment channel and so will get the scamming player banned.
This is such a brilliant move! Go CCP! |
the SNEEP
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2011.11.09 22:26:00 -
[79] - Quote
ground floor |
NUXI7
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
73
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Posted - 2011.11.09 22:28:00 -
[80] - Quote
Levarr Burton wrote:Does joining a corporation which advertises in the Recruitment channel with the intention of ripping it off also constitute a bannable offense now? Or is it just taking advantage of people who should know better but don't the thing that is bannable?
This smacks of uninformed/incompetent GM overstep, without fully thinking through the effect of the policy, or even without thinking through the entirety of what the policy would constitute.
Or awoxing, or spying, or any number of things. All of these are up for interpretation now.
How about recruiting people and then shooting them in game because CONCORD will not intervene anymore? As this is an intended mechanic to allow for PvP training in highsec, is this scamming? How about the CEO or director walking off with corp shared assets promised to members?
Free DurrHurrDurr. |
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Jessie Gavin
Kick B0rt Test Alliance Please Ignore
1
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Posted - 2011.11.09 22:36:00 -
[81] - Quote
May Zonday wrote:reset test
Kick B0rt! |
Verstorbene Tyral
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 22:43:00 -
[82] - Quote
This is the order of things:
Scamming in recruitment is illegal... Scamming in populated areas is illegal... Scamming is illegal... Corp Theft is illegal... Awoxing is illegal... Spying is illegal... Betrayal is illegal... Lying is illegal...
The system is designed so that players know (or should) exactly what they're giving and what they're receiving. It's not an exploit of any system that scammers in recruitment use. It's pure charisma and deceit. The moment you decide we aren't allowed to lie to people about letting them into our "super elite guild", you must also make it wrong to lie about any other aspect of the game. You must make it wrong to ransom enemies. You must make deceit in diplomacy illegal.
Hell, perhaps even strategy will be illegal.
"The enemy acted like he was going to a gate, but he cloaked and went to THIS gate instead! He intentionally deceived me in order to escape my wrath! I DEMAND A KILLMAIL!"
Even a warning would be ridiculous. If you warn people about specific corporations, you single them out and put them at a disadvantage in real game terms.
And if anyone reads this and disagrees with me, then you're clearly playing the wrong game. This is Eve. CCP promotes Eve as a cold universe where corporate espionage and strategy and even metagaming is a good thing. This isn't a game with sunshine and ponies (although, how awesome would that be?). If you do something stupid, you deserve to pay the price. If you keep playing after you do something stupid, you probably won't fall for it again. However, the moment a GM intervenes and makes it illegal for someone to put you in a position in which you do something stupid, not only does that add arbitrary rules to the game, but you don't learn **** and you'll always be a terrible player. |
Jason Duril
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.11.09 22:57:00 -
[83] - Quote
Better content, less handholding. What is this, kindergarten? If so, I wish to eat other kids lunches. |
Infinimo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
305
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Posted - 2011.11.09 23:11:00 -
[84] - Quote
scamming is the purest and most skill-based form of pvp in eve. without scamming I would never have played this terrible game at all. Theta Squad best squad. Monocle crew represent~ |
Tomytronic
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2011.11.09 23:14:00 -
[85] - Quote
Infinimo wrote:scamming is the purest and most skill-based form of pvp in eve. without scamming I would never have played this terrible game at all. you made a lot of people jealous mi amigo
see what you have wrought! |
Infinimo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
306
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Posted - 2011.11.09 23:20:00 -
[86] - Quote
unironically unsubbing one of my accounts in protest
well mostly because I never use it but also in protest Theta Squad best squad. Monocle crew represent~ |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
625
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Posted - 2011.11.09 23:31:00 -
[87] - Quote
It's a stupid, poorly justified policy that is another slap in the face to the "Darwinist sandbox" that this game is purported to be. There is nothing as awesome as a 3-day old newbie scamming a dumb multi-year veteran mission runner who doesn't stop and wonder why a 3-day old newbie is apparently in charge of recruitment for a 2000+ member corporation. |
Midge Mo'yb
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
35
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Posted - 2011.11.09 23:39:00 -
[88] - Quote
CCP STOP BUILDING ******* WALLS IN MY SANDBOX KTHX |
Midge Mo'yb
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
39
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Posted - 2011.11.10 00:23:00 -
[89] - Quote
tbhtbhtbh EVEONLINE2011 |
Drago Palermus
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2011.11.10 00:24:00 -
[90] - Quote
Sarah Schneider wrote:why is a GM interfering with a (even if it was a) scam that doesn't involve real money trading? they say this a sandbox or CCP has been lying to me all these time?
new player here, i've only been in the game for a couple of months and one of the reasons why i did chose this game over any other mmos out there is that this is a sandbox. if we are dumb enough to get scammed, it's our own fault!
Are CCP planning to change the title to World of Eve on the upcoming winter patch? When someone from Eve University is telling off CCP for catering to the carebears you know there is a big problem. |
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Wilhelm Riley
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2011.11.10 00:59:00 -
[91] - Quote
Belthizaar wrote: Scamming has never been against the rules in EvE online and this is a blatant, transparent abuse of authority from someone who is obviously biased because they are actively playing a game they should be administrating instead. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Uhh.. this only applies to the recruitment channel..
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thetwilitehour
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.11.10 01:06:00 -
[92] - Quote
Wilhelm Riley wrote:Belthizaar wrote: Scamming has never been against the rules in EvE online and this is a blatant, transparent abuse of authority from someone who is obviously biased because they are actively playing a game they should be administrating instead. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Uhh.. this only applies to the recruitment channel..
Really? How is that going to work? What if they claim the scam came from the recruitment channel. So this rule is either a) completely stupid and unenforceable or b) has ridiculous far reaching consequences. The other option is for them to what investigate every reported scam, look at timestamps in recruitment and then make some kind of judgement. So I guess option c) is CCP rehire that 20% of staff they just fired to investigate claims that all scams originated in recruitment (granted some % of the scamees are too stupid to even claim this, that's why they get scammed.) |
Tyrone Cashmoney
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8
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Posted - 2011.11.10 01:07:00 -
[93] - Quote
I got scammed into joining GoonWaffe, there should be a rule against that too. |
Wilhelm Riley
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2011.11.10 01:11:00 -
[94] - Quote
thetwilitehour wrote:
Really? How is that going to work? What if they claim the scam came from the recruitment channel. So this rule is either a) completely stupid and unenforceable or b) has ridiculous far reaching consequences. The other option is for them to what investigate every reported scam, look at timestamps in recruitment and then make some kind of judgement. So I guess option c) is CCP rehire that 20% of staff they just fired to investigate claims that all scams originated in recruitment (granted some % of the scamees are too stupid to even claim this, that's why they get scammed.)
A lot of MMO rules are unenforceable, like macro mining, there's no way to know. |
Rer Eirikr
Stargazer Exploration Company Transmission Lost
64
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Posted - 2011.11.10 01:18:00 -
[95] - Quote
So because they're unenforceable we should establish them?? |
Levarr Burton
B0rthole Test Alliance Please Ignore
52
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Posted - 2011.11.10 01:24:00 -
[96] - Quote
Rer Eirikr wrote:So because they're unenforceable we should establish them??
Sounds reasonable. |
thetwilitehour
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.11.10 02:21:00 -
[97] - Quote
Wilhelm Riley wrote:thetwilitehour wrote:
Really? How is that going to work? What if they claim the scam came from the recruitment channel. So this rule is either a) completely stupid and unenforceable or b) has ridiculous far reaching consequences. The other option is for them to what investigate every reported scam, look at timestamps in recruitment and then make some kind of judgement. So I guess option c) is CCP rehire that 20% of staff they just fired to investigate claims that all scams originated in recruitment (granted some % of the scamees are too stupid to even claim this, that's why they get scammed.)
A lot of MMO rules are unenforceable, like macro mining, there's no way to know.
Other stupid rules exist, therefore this stupid rule is ok. That's the best argument you could come up with in support of this idiocy? |
Zenver
Random Precision. Broken Toys
1
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Posted - 2011.11.10 02:21:00 -
[98] - Quote
Wow. I mean, I can see were the concern for new players is...but really? Ugh.
At MOST just include a warning that scams can occur in the recruitment channel.
(I love scams, they make me chuckle when I find them, and laugh even more when I get caught) |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
27
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Posted - 2011.11.10 02:23:00 -
[99] - Quote
This is CCP's channel, just like the Help channel and the Rookie channel. They can enforce whatever rules they so choose in their channels.
Local will never be effected like this. Local is a public channel. These are private (as they have ownership).
If you want to do recruitment scamming, just don't have the channel open and you are fine. |
thetwilitehour
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.11.10 02:26:00 -
[100] - Quote
Corina Jarr wrote:This is CCP's channel, just like the Help channel and the Rookie channel. They can enforce whatever rules they so choose in their channels.
Local will never be effected like this. Local is a public channel. These are private (as they have ownership).
If you want to do recruitment scamming, just don't have the channel open and you are fine.
What if the scamee claims that they were in the recruitment channel with you at some point and that is where the scam began. how many man hours should CCP devote to investigating every single scam that occurs anywhere in Eve to see if it in any way had anything to do with the recruitment channel? |
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Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
27
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Posted - 2011.11.10 02:29:00 -
[101] - Quote
thetwilitehour wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:This is CCP's channel, just like the Help channel and the Rookie channel. They can enforce whatever rules they so choose in their channels.
Local will never be effected like this. Local is a public channel. These are private (as they have ownership).
If you want to do recruitment scamming, just don't have the channel open and you are fine. What if the scamee claims that they were in the recruitment channel with you at some point and that is where the scam began. how many man hours should CCP devote to investigating every single scam that occurs anywhere in Eve to see if it in any way had anything to do with the recruitment channel? Simple. They would ask when this supposed encounter in the channel took place (as in both players being joined). Check the log. Takes 5 minutes. If the scammers don't join the channel, they will have all the evidence they need. And the scamee will get a nice "don't abuse the petition system" message. |
Midge Mo'yb
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
40
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Posted - 2011.11.10 02:35:00 -
[102] - Quote
Corina Jarr wrote:thetwilitehour wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:This is CCP's channel, just like the Help channel and the Rookie channel. They can enforce whatever rules they so choose in their channels.
Local will never be effected like this. Local is a public channel. These are private (as they have ownership).
If you want to do recruitment scamming, just don't have the channel open and you are fine. What if the scamee claims that they were in the recruitment channel with you at some point and that is where the scam began. how many man hours should CCP devote to investigating every single scam that occurs anywhere in Eve to see if it in any way had anything to do with the recruitment channel? Simple. They would ask when this supposed encounter in the channel took place (as in both players being joined). Check the log. Takes 5 minutes. If the scammers don't join the channel, they will have all the evidence they need. And the scamee will get a nice "don't abuse the petition system" message.
i am my corps honoUrable human resources manager, i have to be in the recruitment channel to perform my duties. |
Wilhelm Riley
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2011.11.10 02:36:00 -
[103] - Quote
thetwilitehour wrote:
Other stupid rules exist, therefore this stupid rule is ok. That's the best argument you could come up with in support of this idiocy?
If you could murder someone without ever getting caught, does that make it okay?
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Scalar Angulargf
Rayn Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
12
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Posted - 2011.11.10 02:50:00 -
[104] - Quote
Wilhelm Riley wrote:thetwilitehour wrote:
Other stupid rules exist, therefore this stupid rule is ok. That's the best argument you could come up with in support of this idiocy?
If you could murder someone without ever getting caught, does that make it okay?
Overblown analogies ITT |
Harold Tuphlos
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
27
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Posted - 2011.11.10 03:07:00 -
[105] - Quote
Wilhelm Riley wrote:thetwilitehour wrote:
Other stupid rules exist, therefore this stupid rule is ok. That's the best argument you could come up with in support of this idiocy?
If you could murder someone without ever getting caught, does that make it okay? What's wrong with murder? I like getting pod kills. |
spookydonut
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
40
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Posted - 2011.11.10 03:21:00 -
[106] - Quote
So many rules, and yet turbonigger is fine? |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
27
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Posted - 2011.11.10 03:22:00 -
[107] - Quote
Midge Mo'yb wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:thetwilitehour wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:This is CCP's channel, just like the Help channel and the Rookie channel. They can enforce whatever rules they so choose in their channels.
Local will never be effected like this. Local is a public channel. These are private (as they have ownership).
If you want to do recruitment scamming, just don't have the channel open and you are fine. What if the scamee claims that they were in the recruitment channel with you at some point and that is where the scam began. how many man hours should CCP devote to investigating every single scam that occurs anywhere in Eve to see if it in any way had anything to do with the recruitment channel? Simple. They would ask when this supposed encounter in the channel took place (as in both players being joined). Check the log. Takes 5 minutes. If the scammers don't join the channel, they will have all the evidence they need. And the scamee will get a nice "don't abuse the petition system" message. i am my corps honoUrable human resources manager, i have to be in the recruitment channel to perform my duties. Then simply make sure you aren't the one that does the scam. Anything past 2 people is impossible to prove either way. |
thetwilitehour
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2011.11.10 04:31:00 -
[108] - Quote
Wilhelm Riley wrote:thetwilitehour wrote:
Other stupid rules exist, therefore this stupid rule is ok. That's the best argument you could come up with in support of this idiocy?
If you could murder someone without ever getting caught, does that make it okay?
Yes, and you are literally ******.
Also I'm pretty sure scamming in the recruitment channel of srs business eve online, a game marketed as one where scamming and griefing are not only tolerated, but actually celebrated, is not the same as murder.
Haha I can say turbonigger but can't invoke godwins law? |
Pudgy McFudge
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.11.10 04:40:00 -
[109] - Quote
I'm gay |
Icemandk
Ramm's RDI Tactical Narcotics Team
2
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Posted - 2011.11.10 04:55:00 -
[110] - Quote
Free DurrHurrDurr. |
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The Illuminist
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2011.11.10 05:38:00 -
[111] - Quote
I guess CCP's new stance on more communication and transparency doesn't apply to this thread. CCP is greatest failcascade.
Also, Free Durr. |
Infinimo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
319
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Posted - 2011.11.10 07:49:00 -
[112] - Quote
spookydonut wrote:So many rules, and yet turbonigger is fine? what's wrong with turboniggers? racist Theta Squad best squad. Monocle crew represent~ |
Red Templar
Raging Ducks Goonswarm Federation
76
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Posted - 2011.11.10 07:50:00 -
[113] - Quote
So when can we expect another apology letter? And here i thought CCP learned something during this year... For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |
Kharthis Jian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.11.10 08:10:00 -
[114] - Quote
Ok, so have an alt lurk in recruitment channel and the scammer just get fed names of potentials...? Trial accounts can lurk in recruitment channel you say? :munch: |
Wilhelm Riley
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2011.11.10 11:39:00 -
[115] - Quote
Scalar Angulargf wrote:
Overblown analogies ITT
It's not the analogy itself that matters. If something is against the rules but you can get away with it, it still doesn't make it right.
Besides, it's only one channel, find somewhere else to scam. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
111
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Posted - 2011.11.10 12:12:00 -
[116] - Quote
Wilhelm Riley wrote:Scalar Angulargf wrote:
Overblown analogies ITT
It's not the analogy itself that matters. If something is against the rules but you can get away with it, it still doesn't make it right. Besides, it's only one channel, find somewhere else to scam. That's not the issue, the issue is that its wording is going to be abused.
"this includes, but not limited to, using the recruitment channel as a platform to find or target players to scam"
This means that the recruitment channel can't be used to even find them and pass them on to someone else and have them perform the scam. And this is going to be abused so hard by the scamvictims it'll make your head spin, mark my words. |
Wilhelm Riley
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2011.11.10 12:43:00 -
[117] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:
And this is going to be abused so hard by the scamvictims it'll make your head spin, mark my words.
Huh, yeah I can agree with that.
It's not like you can't find other places to scam people though, EVE is full of potential victims. And can't we have just one channel that's not full of spammers and scams? |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
142
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Posted - 2011.11.10 12:48:00 -
[118] - Quote
Ranting and not contructive.
Thread locked. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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