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Skill Training Online Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 248	Posted - 2014.01.31 20:04:00 - [1] - Quote When you think about it losing SP is incredibly hard to do in this game, and it is far too easy to train all your skills and have nothing left to do in EVE. When you lose a ship you should lose 5% of your total SP When you lose a pod you should lose 15% of your total SP This would provide interesting diversity to SP gains, this would be a considerable blow against power-creep. Additionally it would empower new players to have a chance. ludo-narrative dissonance would be addressed in this manner as well. This would be good for EVE. Thank You Obama!
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 19066	Posted - 2014.01.31 20:07:00 - [2] - Quote SoGÇª Encouraging the use of alts. Discouraging PvP. Ensuring that newbies stay newbies forever. Doesn't particularly solve anything. Yeah, no, I'm not entirely convinced that GÇ£good for EVEGÇ¥ is the best way to describe such a changeGÇª GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0.
Shizuken Venerated Stars 158	Posted - 2014.01.31 20:11:00 - [3] - Quote Tippia wrote: SoGÇª Encouraging the use of alts. Discouraging PvP. Ensuring that newbies stay newbies forever. Doesn't particularly solve anything. Yeah, no, I'm not entirely convinced that GÇ£good for EVEGÇ¥ is the best way to describe such a changeGÇª I think this is only the second time I have agreed with you.
Skill Training Online Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 248	Posted - 2014.01.31 20:15:00 - [4] - Quote Tippia wrote: SoGÇª Encouraging the use of alts. Discouraging PvP. Ensuring that newbies stay newbies forever. Doesn't particularly solve anything. Yeah, no, I'm not entirely convinced that GÇ£good for EVEGÇ¥ is the best way to describe such a changeGÇª Not discouraging PVP: Adding cost back into the equation, Pandemic Legion has already bragged they've already financed a full replacement of their losses from the "largest battle ever" which had no economic impact on anything. Ensuring that newbies Stay newbie forever: Most pilots have a choice of literally hundreds of ships, there is no benefit to specialization, it is too easy to just "Fly everything!" Thank You Obama!
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 9773	Posted - 2014.01.31 20:16:00 - [5] - Quote Why don't we just have SP weapons? They use SP as ammo, and take away SP when youre shot with it. Why not remove ISK, and make all transactions SP based? All ships should use SP as fuel. Warp to gate? 12AU will cost you 12 SP. Want a remap? Thatll cost you 12mil SP. Want to resculpt? Thall cost you 12mil SP. Want a pretty monocle from the NEX? Well, your titan pilot can now barely fly a noobship. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Lugia3 Emerald Inc. 791	Posted - 2014.01.31 20:17:00 - [6] - Quote Skill Training Online wrote: Tippia wrote: SoGÇª Encouraging the use of alts. Discouraging PvP. Ensuring that newbies stay newbies forever. Doesn't particularly solve anything. Yeah, no, I'm not entirely convinced that GÇ£good for EVEGÇ¥ is the best way to describe such a changeGÇª Not discouraging PVP: Adding cost back into the equation, Pandemic Legion has already bragged they've already financed a full replacement of their losses from the "largest battle ever" which had no economic impact on anything. Ensuring that newbies Stay newbie forever: Most pilots have a choice of literally hundreds of ships, there is no benefit to specialization, it is too easy to just "Fly everything!" Because every time I want to pull a frigate and go out to faction warfare space for fun, rather than pulling a slowcat Archon, I should lose a few million skillpoints, which take MONTHS to build up? It's only logical. "CCP Dolan is full of ****." - CCP Bettik
Leoric Firesword Dark Fusion Industries Limitless Inc. 7	Posted - 2014.01.31 20:17:00 - [7] - Quote as a new player (less than 1 year) I wholeheartedly disagree with this idea. 1. I would have lost SP during the tutorial missions (Adv. Combat has you INTENTIONALLY lose at least 1 ship that I remember) 2. When I make a mistake (which is more likely since I'm new) I'll lose SP. 3. I would hesitate to participate in PvP training events as I could lose SP. 4. I had basic tackling skills by month two, which while I haven't used them yet, if your idea was in place I'd make damned sure that I didn't put myself in a position to need them. So by all means, try again, but this idea isn't good.
Batelle Komm susser Tod 1500	Posted - 2014.01.31 20:19:00 - [8] - Quote Skill Training Online wrote: it is far too easy to train all your skills and have nothing left to do in EVE. You can't possibly expect people to take this seriously. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!" Never forget.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 19068	Posted - 2014.01.31 20:20:00 - [9] - Quote Skill Training Online wrote: Not discouraging PVP: Adding cost back into the equation, Pandemic Legion has already bragged they've already financed a full replacement of their losses from the "largest battle ever" which had no economic impact on anything. Pandemic Legion has already broken well beyond ISK having any meaning in PVP, they could lose a thousand times more than they did in B- and would spring back in a matter of moments. GÇªwhich has what, exactly, to do with losing SP? And how does massively increasing the losses from PvP not discourage it? Quote: Ensuring that newbies Stay newbie forever: Most pilots have a choice of literally hundreds of ships, there is no benefit to specialization, it is too easy to just "Fly everything!" So? Why is that a problem and how does it in any way address the issue that you're effectively suggesting that newbies will never be able to grow beyond newbie status? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0.
Karen Avioras Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 182	Posted - 2014.01.31 20:23:00 - [10] - Quote **** son, you take way to strong drugs. It's damaged your brain severly
Azami Nevinyrall Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 1635	Posted - 2014.01.31 20:23:00 - [11] - Quote 0.5/10 Stargates aren't located within POS shields. The stargate itself and everyone around it is vulnerable to attack. So why is a Titan located within a POS shield when a Jump Portal is activated? The Titans should not be allowed complete safety!
Anne Dieu-le-veut Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People 49	Posted - 2014.01.31 20:25:00 - [12] - Quote Why do all these terrible ideas end up in GD instead of F&I ?!?
Kyt Thrace Lightspeed Enterprises Fidelas Constans 402	Posted - 2014.01.31 20:28:00 - [13] - Quote I am Hijacking this thread. PLEX for the Removal of Unwanted/Unused skills. You DO NOT get the skill points or cost of skill books reimbursed. Actually this is another way to lose skill points. R.I.P. Vile Rat
Plastic Psycho Necro-Economics 1157	Posted - 2014.01.31 20:29:00 - [14] - Quote Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote: Why do all these terrible ideas end up in GD instead of F&I ?!? Because in F&I they'd die the quick, unlamented death they deserve. Kyt Thrace wrote: I am Hijacking this thread. Sorry, this thread is already on it's way to the Abyss. You can't take it to Cuba, no matter how much vacation time you've accrued.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 19068	Posted - 2014.01.31 20:30:00 - [15] - Quote Kyt Thrace wrote: I am Hijacking this thread. PLEX for the Removal of Unwanted/Unused skills. You DO NOT get the skill points or cost of skill books reimbursed. Actually this is another way to lose skill points. OCD-PLEX? Sure, why not. As long as the skills removed aren't prerequisites to anything you decide to keep. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0.
Anne Dieu-le-veut Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People 50	Posted - 2014.01.31 20:34:00 - [16] - Quote Kyt Thrace wrote: I am Hijacking this thread. PLEX for the Removal of Unwanted/Unused skills. You DO NOT get the skill points or cost of skill books reimbursed. Actually this is another way to lose skill points. Why even PLEX? Just a little "X" in the lower right corner of each skill with a pop up "are you sure you want to delete this skill? You will lose xxxxx skill points that will not be refunded". Aren't they ripping us enough making us use PLEX to dual/tri train?
Mario Putzo Welping and Dunking. 177	Posted - 2014.01.31 20:36:00 - [17] - Quote Skill Training Online wrote: Ensuring that newbies Stay newbie forever: Most pilots have a choice of literally hundreds of ships, there is no benefit to specialization, it is too easy to just "Fly everything!" You gotta mail me some of that sweet ** you have been smoking. It takes an incredibly long time to be able to fly everything. Or do you mean sit in everything? There is a big difference between seeing a ship light up on ISIS and actually being able to fly that ship. I can sit in Archon, Revelation, Aeon, Avatar. I can Sit in Thanatos, Moros, Nyx, Erebus. I can sit in Rhea, I can sit in Rorqual. i can not fly any of these ships. Sure I can sit in them put some fuel in them and jump them around dock them up park them in pos, but I can not use them. I can not use Fighters, Fighter Bombers, I can not fit Capital Reps, Capital Remote Reps, Capital Energy Transfers, I can not use Capital Weapins, siege or triage, I can not fit a Doomsday, I can not fit T2 Tanking mods, I can not fit T2 Energy mods, I just learned how to use Energy Rigs. I can sit in all amarr and Gallente subcapitals I can sit in all Caldari industrials....but I can not fly them. I can not fit T2 Weapoins, T2 Tanking Mods, T2 Mining laser, I can't fit Cargo expanders, I can't fit T2 DCU. My character has an SP rating (on the Char Auditor) of 3879/58000 My ISK value/SP is really really good. But i am next to useless outside of moving ships around and populating markets with **. But hey I can undock any of those ships into space...so I must be flying them right!
Kyt Thrace Lightspeed Enterprises Fidelas Constans 402	Posted - 2014.01.31 20:38:00 - [18] - Quote Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote: Kyt Thrace wrote: I am Hijacking this thread. PLEX for the Removal of Unwanted/Unused skills. You DO NOT get the skill points or cost of skill books reimbursed. Actually this is another way to lose skill points. Why even PLEX? Just a little "X" in the lower right corner of each skill with a pop up "are you sure you want to delete this skill? You will lose xxxxx skill points that will not be refunded". Aren't they ripping us enough making us use PLEX to dual/tri train? I would think a PLEX needs to be charged for this service. Because all the players crying about removing skill points just to get a cheaper clone have no voice if you are charged a PLEX. A PLEX would equal too bunches of bunches of clone upgrades. R.I.P. Vile Rat
Captain Eliiot Vanguard Frontiers Black Legion. 3	Posted - 2014.01.31 20:55:00 - [19] - Quote I think that bald people should get more sp then those with more full heads of hair.
Nathan Galbadia The Scope Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2014.01.31 21:00:00 - [20] - Quote I don't think the OP knows that skill training has nothing to do with playing the game. It simply helps you advance in your career choice. Skill training happens in the background. I don't need any level of SP to shoot at ships, mine rocks, haul goods, or any other activity. I can do everything except use specialized equipment. You can literally participate in any activity in noobships.
Peter Raptor Galactic Hawks 631	Posted - 2014.01.31 21:05:00 - [21] - Quote Skill Training Online wrote: When you think about it losing SP is incredibly hard to do in this game, and it is far too easy to train all your skills and have nothing left to do in EVE. When you lose a ship you should lose 5% of your total SP When you lose a pod you should lose 15% of your total SP This would provide interesting diversity to SP gains, this would be a considerable blow against power-creep. Additionally it would empower new players to have a chance. ludo-narrative dissonance would be addressed in this manner as well. This would be good for EVE. Seriously that is the worst idea for this game I have ever heard in my entire life, PVP would basicaly die, the ONLY reason why I dont pvp in a Tengu is cos you lose SP when you get destroyed while flying it. So, utilising your terrible idea, if you die enough times you may end up with 0 SP and eventually realise that all these years in EVE have been wasted on training, what a joke this game would become Evelopedia;-á The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á
Erotica 1 Krypteia Operations CODE. 3409	Posted - 2014.01.31 21:08:00 - [22] - Quote Skill Training Online I would like to offer you a bonus round. See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 8884	Posted - 2014.01.31 21:09:00 - [23] - Quote Skill Training Online wrote: Not discouraging PVP: Adding cost back into the equation, Pandemic Legion has already bragged they've already financed a full replacement of their losses from the "largest battle ever" which had no economic impact on anything. Pandemic Legion has already broken well beyond ISK having any meaning in PVP, they could lose a thousand times more than they did in B- and would spring back in a matter of moments. No, they really can't. If they could they wouldn't be retreating to lick their wounds. My EVE Videos 59-15
E-2C Hawkeye State War Academy Caldari State 472	Posted - 2014.01.31 21:11:00 - [24] - Quote Shizuken wrote: Tippia wrote: SoGÇª Encouraging the use of alts. Discouraging PvP. Ensuring that newbies stay newbies forever. Doesn't particularly solve anything. Yeah, no, I'm not entirely convinced that GÇ£good for EVEGÇ¥ is the best way to describe such a changeGÇª I think this is only the second time I have agreed with you. LOL .... me as well. Guess there is a second time for everything
Digits Kho Imperial Navy Lobsters U N K N O W N 50	Posted - 2014.01.31 21:16:00 - [25] - Quote Skill Training Online wrote: When you think about it losing SP is incredibly hard to do in this game, and it is far too easy to train all your skills and have nothing left to do in EVE. When you lose a ship you should lose 5% of your total SP When you lose a pod you should lose 15% of your total SP This would provide interesting diversity to SP gains, this would be a considerable blow against power-creep. Additionally it would empower new players to have a chance. ludo-narrative dissonance would be addressed in this manner as well. This would be good for EVE. i think you should head back to the Korean grinder you come from
Nuela Beacon Light Corporation Beacon Light Alliance 230	Posted - 2014.01.31 21:17:00 - [26] - Quote If they did this, ganking with alts would scream to unbelievable highs! Hmmmmmm....
Billy McCandless The McCandless Clan Turing Tested 172	Posted - 2014.01.31 21:18:00 - [27] - Quote their arr two manee wais to shipp toste
PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys 1029	Posted - 2014.01.31 21:19:00 - [28] - Quote I give it an 8/10. It's a wee bit obvious, but then again you got so many bites...
Faceless Parmala Chaotic Tranquility Casoff 24	Posted - 2014.01.31 21:22:00 - [29] - Quote Skill Training Online wrote: When you think about it losing SP is incredibly hard to do in this game, and it is far too easy to train all your skills and have nothing left to do in EVE. When you lose a ship you should lose 5% of your total SP When you lose a pod you should lose 15% of your total SP This would provide interesting diversity to SP gains, this would be a considerable blow against power-creep. Additionally it would empower new players to have a chance. ludo-narrative dissonance would be addressed in this manner as well. This would be good for EVE. I hate you for having this idea.
Frank Millar 427	Posted - 2014.01.31 21:22:00 - [30] - Quote Obvious troll is obvious.

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